<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>Cere probably is thinking of the warmth of standard incandescent lights with a color temp of 2700K. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>A light with 4000K color temperature is a cool white, good for detail work, not so nice for comfort...</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>For more info on color temperature in lighting for the layman: <a
href="http://www.topbulb.com/color-temperature/">http://www.topbulb.com/color-temperature/</a></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>-- Glenn (theater lighting designer)</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, February 16, 2015 12:49 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div><div id="yiv0985060698"><div><div dir="ltr">The one in the lab room is 4000K, with a Color Rendering Index of
82. That is "warmer" than fluorescents (and zero flicker!), and much warmer than a daylight bulb. Good for doing detailed work - which is exactly what we need there - and acceptable for working with colors.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>If we want mood lighting, we should get mood lighting. If we want lights to do soldering or other precision work, 4000K is great. Heck get both, so people can pick and choose what they need at any time. Plus a few >5000K, >90CRI daylight bulbs for people doing artwork.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Patrik</div></div><div id="yiv0985060698yqt13575"><div><br clear="none"><div>On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Cere Misc <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:cere.misc@gmail.com">cere.misc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204,
204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">As another point of reference for the lights that Patrik got for the lab room. They are ugly cold sanitarium colored lights. Please lets NOT get more of those!</div><div><div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com">patrikd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div dir="ltr">As another point of comparison, the LED light fixture I put in the CCL lab room is this one:<div><br clear="none"></div><div><a href="http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-ft-x-4-ft-White-LED-Prismatic-Lens-Troffer-2GTL4/203820958?N=5yc1vZc7buZ1z115g2"
target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-2-ft-x-4-ft-White-LED-Prismatic-Lens-Troffer-2GTL4/203820958?N=5yc1vZc7buZ1z115g2</a><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>It's a 4000 Lumens, 45 Watt fixture made to resemble a fluorescent tube one. Internally, it has four 36-LED strips behind a nice diffuser, and a big-ass 30VDC/1.58A LED driver. (In comparison, that first bulb Jake posted is 800 Lumen, so this one is equivalent in light output to about five of those)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>These sell for $119 at Home Depot, which is of course far too much. Should be easy to reverse engineer these for far less, but I'm not sure how well that would go over with our fire inspection, even if some of the chinese knockoffs may very well pose more of fire hazard...</div><span><font color="#888888"></font></span><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Patrik</div></div><div><br
clear="none"><div><span>On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Jake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><div><div><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;">so i guess sudoroom (and CCL too probably) need some new lights, since the flourescents are failing.<br clear="none">
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Home Despot sells 11-watt "warm white" bulbs for $9 each, which would be a good idea if we had regular lamp sockets to screw bulbs into...<br clear="none">
<a href="http://www.homedepot.com/p/Cree-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-5000K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-Bulb-with-4Flow-Filament-Design-BA19-08050OMF-12DE26-3U100/205597079?N=5yc1vZbm79" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.homedepot.com/p/<u></u>Cree-60W-Equivalent-Daylight-<u></u>5000K-A19-Dimmable-LED-Light-<u></u>Bulb-with-4Flow-Filament-<u></u>Design-BA19-08050OMF-12DE26-<u></u>3U100/205597079?N=5yc1vZbm79</a><br clear="none">
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but china can always do better. I looked on Ali Express and sorted by customer satisfaction, looking for LED lighting in "downlights" which suggests lamps shining downward?<br clear="none">
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these look good but the seller rating is only 97.4%:<br clear="none">
<a href="http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Aluminum-9W-15W-21W-27W-45W-LED-Downlight-Ceiling-lights-lamp-AC85-265V-With/2027740342.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.aliexpress.com/<u></u>item/High-Quality-Aluminum-9W-<u></u>15W-21W-27W-45W-LED-Downlight-<u></u>Ceiling-lights-lamp-AC85-265V-<u></u>With/2027740342.html</a><br clear="none">
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they seem to be "16 to 21" watts for $6.95 including shipping. They offer "warm" and "cold" flavors so we could just get a mix of the two kinds, for something in the middle when they're all on.<br clear="none">
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here is the search i was doing:<br clear="none">
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<a href="http://www.aliexpress.com/category/200002289/led-downlights.html?site=glo&isrefine=y&shipCountry=US&SortType=total_weight_score_desc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.aliexpress.com/<u></u>category/200002289/led-<u></u>downlights.html?site=glo&<u></u>isrefine=y&shipCountry=US&<u></u>SortType=total_weight_score_<u></u>desc</a><br clear="none">
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this one is also a good price, and the seller rating is higher (98.1%)<br clear="none">
<a href="http://www.aliexpress.com/item/21W-Antifogging-Epistar-led-downlight-AC85-265V-Contains-the-drive-power-free-shipping/2047334906.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">http://www.aliexpress.com/<u></u>item/21W-Antifogging-Epistar-<u></u>led-downlight-AC85-265V-<u></u>Contains-the-drive-power-free-<u></u>shipping/2047334906.html</a><br clear="none">
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ultimately i have higher confidence in the quality of something we buy from Cree at Home Despot, but I think we should give China a chance and buy a few of the "16 to 21 watt" ones and see how they compare.<br clear="none">
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For reference, Cree (a reputable company) and other LED bulbs sold at Home Despot are called "60 watt replacement" bulbs while actually using 9 to 11 watts. The light fixtures presently in Sudoroom and CCL each have two 75-watt flourescent bulbs, for a total of 900 watts of light in the bocce ball room when they're all working.<br clear="none">
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That suggests that 150 watts of LED lighting would be equivalent, which would cost about $60 from the first aliexpress link i provided.<br clear="none">
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These lights just have wires coming out, so we would perhaps attach them onto the metal structures that are presently holding flourescent lights for simplicity, until we come up with something better.<span><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
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