<div dir="ltr">To clarify, I brought this up because I plan to be more active as liaison between the sudo room membership and the other omni commons collectives, especially by participating in our spokescouncil. I asked the group at our weekly meeting to help me clarify who the active delegates are so I could send an announcement to everyone so they know who they can talk to about omni commons-related things. Further, I wanted to clarify a process for how others can participate.<div><br></div><div>The path to participation is clear, the channels of communication are clear, our ability to improve transparency and accountability is clear in my original message.</div><div><br></div><div>Let me know if there are any other concerns or questions.</div><div><br></div><div>// Matt</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yandoryn@gmail.com" target="_blank">yandoryn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The decision of how to move forward. The decision to engage, disengage, engage less, engage elsewhere, engage louder, engage more often... There are a myriad of choices to how you want to go forward. In the end, you should do whatever you feel is best for you and your well-being. That's not selfish... if you keep crumbling apart like this because you're not meshing with this community, you won't be able enact change elsewhere.<div><br></div><div>Like you said, you'd rather break something than be broken.</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:25 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rawjnana@gmail.com" target="_blank">rawjnana@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I love you too, Ryan. I def wanna visit with you soon (not at omni)<div><br></div><div>But, what decision? What decision is it I'm supposed to be making? </div><div><br></div><div>People aren't always right or fair, and trying to make it that way is futile. It's a dog-eat-dog world. I've spent my whole life trying to draw the line where I say "this is us, these other people and i are part of each other" as far and wide as i can. i still choose compassion and mercy over punishment or control any day- but i have way less faith in people at omni and at colleges than i did when i was living on the street. way less.</div><div><br></div><div>but it just leads me to see ppl with good hearts play out the same bs selfish people do; and people either being broken or breaking something. i'd rather break something than be broken, and i'm gonna try to live more like jon stark than a greek muse </div><div><br></div><div>much much love for you,</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yandoryn@gmail.com" target="_blank">yandoryn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Rachel, I trust that you'll make the best decision for you, and no matter what, I <3 you, kay?</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rawjnana@gmail.com" target="_blank">rawjnana@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Very true, there are plenty of other hackerspaces<div><br></div><div>But sadly, there are few Commons spaces. Few Public spaces. And Sudo is part of a project that wants to be a Commons, open to the public.</div><div><br></div><div>Alas, I hope this whole land is made of truly communal, public spaces, within my lifetime.</div><div><br></div><div>And when that time comes, that people are ready for real change, it will be confidence, outspokenness and respect that leads people, as it always was. </div><div><br></div><div>Which would you choose? Law-given freedom? The freedom allotted by resources held? Or inherent freedom?</div><div><br></div><div>I officially give up on trying to fix any fucking system. Please, enjoy. :) </div><div><br></div><div>I'm grateful really. It was about time I snapped out of it; the illusion that living within social structures, even in full-frontal-truth, can actually make a difference. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:52 PM, Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yandoryn@gmail.com" target="_blank">yandoryn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Consistent unreasonable blocking is a quick way to find yourself as a member in bad standing. Blocking isn't meant to be a punitive thing... it's supposed to be a good way to show how serious something is, so amendments can be made or discussion can go forward as to why this is a blocking concern at all.<div><br></div><div>We have talked about lowering quorum to seven, but it's never gone through because we've come to the conclusion that it's better to try and up meeting attendance rather than reduce quorum.</div><div><br></div><div>If you don't have faith in sudo's system, you don't have to participate. That's not to say that people wouldn't be sad to see you go, but it's always an option. If you're finding yourself disillusioned or not agreeing with sudo's core politics, there are other hackerspaces out there. The Bay Area has a ton! Maybe you can find one that aligns with you better. As a moderator of a heavily used web app, I have to remind people of this constantly. Not every community is for everyone. It'd be kind of messed up if that were the case.</div><div><br></div><div>Honestly, it sounds like you're having issues with the Omni at large in general. Maybe it's just not working out. Maybe you need to take a break and assess if this is the right community for you after all. </div><div><br></div><div>You also have the option of not participating in the system if you don't have faith in it, without stopping being part of the community. There are a lot of folks at sudo and the Omni who don't get deep into the politics or the day-to-day workings. And that's okay. They shouldn't have to be involved on that level if they don't want to be.</div><div><br></div><div>If you do want to change something, though, and missed a meeting because of an emergency or a double-booking, again, you are welcome to submit a counter-proposal.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rawjnana@gmail.com" target="_blank">rawjnana@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">blocking can work. but then someone could block forever something that's reasonable to the majority. there's always a limit, not always gonna make everyone happy. l<font color="#274e13">imitations on blocking could prevent this, yes. </font><div><br></div><div>bc ppl don't always agree, the higher a percentage is for the required the majority, the closer it is to consensus, the system is leaving behind the few rather than the silent, if voting is required. <font color="#741b47">when consensus rules, the loud and confident can get away with murder, esp if those in disaccord happen to be busy at the vet or something...</font></div><div><br></div><div>just my belief. consensus won't actually work for the real world- only for a small place of play/leisure, really. where a small group already generally agrees with each other or shares personal interests.<br><div><br></div><div>yeah, showing up to meetings is an answer. when you can.</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#9900ff"> as people who know Power know well, once something is in effect, it takes a lot more to get people to change it,</font></div><div><br></div><div>... bc there's a perception of there having been agreement by so many in the first place, rather than a small group. </div><div>Example:</div><div> the U.S. gov't's structure. It was created by merely dozens of people, for millions, one day hundreds of millions, of people</div><div><br></div><div>and honestly, it takes faith in a system to participate in it. faith i don't have in any system but that of family, true loyal unstructured unsolicited solidarity, and a universal spirit, at the moment. </div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>P.S i've heard talk from sudo's founders about lessening quorum to seven. because attendance is so low. running sudo is already left in the hands of it's founders.<font color="#0000ff"> perhaps more than you all realize, people don't want to step on your toes...</font><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yandoryn@gmail.com" target="_blank">yandoryn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Also, there's a really obvious answer to this fear of cliques.<div><br></div><div>Show up to meetings.</div><div><br></div><div>All members have blocking power. Yay consensus.</div><div><br></div><div>If you're unhappy with a proposal that was passed, make a counter-proposal. Nothing is set in stone. sudo's policies can change very quickly. We're not waterfall; we're agile. It's better to deploy our changes regularly, knowing we can further build on these features than make sure they're perfect when the race starts.</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:yandoryn@gmail.com" target="_blank">yandoryn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Quorum takes 10 people. I really don't consider that a small group.<div><br></div><div>I personally think that voting creates a tyranny of the majority which inherently oppresses minority groups. In a democracy, minorities have to hope for the benevolence of the majority to deign to stoop down low enough to recognize them as people.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rawjnana@gmail.com" target="_blank">rawjnana@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>I would be wary, sudo, of how few people it already takes to have quorum, and if that changes...</div><div>A small clique of friends can be at a meeting, and make decisions for all of sudo. </div><div><div>It's a broken system. </div></div><div><br></div><div>Our leaders can either say <br></div><div>"there's the power, don't give it to anyone, let's split it consciously"</div><div> or</div><div> "where's the power? i don't see it" </div><div>the latter is falsity in my opinion, it deters you from taking any</div><div>the former is truth. </div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think 1-vote-per-member; remotely solicited when live-vote isn't possible, is a much sounder way of representing the opinions and needs of many people. </div><div><br></div><div>to my eyes, consensus seems to be closer to high school social dynamics than a step in political evolution. i'm definitely disillusioned about consensus after seeing this project. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:30 PM, <a href="mailto:danarauz@gmail.com" target="_blank">danarauz@gmail.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danarauz@gmail.com" target="_blank">danarauz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">:) <div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Marc Juul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:juul@labitat.dk" target="_blank">juul@labitat.dk</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rachel Wolfsohn <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rawjnana@gmail.com" target="_blank">rawjnana@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">My question is whose idea was this in the first place? </p></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div>It was this guy:<br></div><div><br> <a href="http://i.imgur.com/qmPKJHh.gif" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/qmPKJHh.gif</a><span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div>-- <br></div><div>marc/juul<br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div></div></div>
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