<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-size: 13px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style><div style="font-size: 13px;color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; border-left: #0000ff 2px solid; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-size: 10pt; font-family: arial,sans-serif; color: black;"><yandoryn@gmail.com><ed.rippy@mindspring.com><autonomous666@gmail.com><cere.misc@gmail.com><sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Ryan wrote:</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">> Let's say I did something to hurt someone. I have two options:</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">>"Well, that's just how my brain works."</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">> "Wow, I'm really sorry I hurt you. My brain doesn't work like everyone else's.</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">> Knowing that, and how I hurt you, what can we do to make sure it doesn't happen again?"</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">>Choice 1 is an excuse, where I try to deny culpability for the way I treat other people. Choice 2 is an explanation, so we can use my >neuroatypicality as a framework for explaining the behavior that caused the hurt, and then keeping it from happening in the future.</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">>Choice 1 acts like neuroatypical folks have no agency, which is, in my opinion, fucked up, infantilizing, and a huge disservice to folks like me.</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">-- You're absolutely right. We all have our shit, & we all need to work together the best we can. That includes understanding our own & ea. others' shit. We all have the 'excuse' of a society hostile to creativity anyway, but I hope we don't let ourselves be victims.</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"> This is why I also speak out against "experts" who try & talk people into thinking that those who don't fit their mold are helpless victims, & "scientific research" proves it.</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">You want my idea of real science, try the Radical Psychiatrists (Claude Steiner, Hoagie Wyckoff, et al.) -- a basic tenet was never exclude a "patient" or "inmate" from a staff conference -- IOW never talk abt them behind their backs. Their scientific theory is that (where there is no brain damage) alienation is the root cause of all mental illness, & acting as a clique of "experts" who meet behind closed doors to figure out "what's wrong w/ you" is alienating as Hell.</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;">Ed</div><div style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px;"><br></div></div>
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