<div dir="ltr">wow i love this:<div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px">"Members can give out RFID tokens (or add someone's existing token like a</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px">Clipper card) to the system granting 30 day "public hour" access to</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px">users anonymously. The act of adding someone to the system is</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px">deliberately quite easy, as it's intended to give folks easier access to</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px">the space once they're known to the community. The access expires after</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:19.2000007629395px">30 days at which point it can be renewed by another member."</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>what do folks think about having something like that but for the omni front door?</div><div><br></div><div>it wouldn't solve all problems of course, but it may help some of our issues.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Patrick O'Doherty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:p@trickod.com" target="_blank">p@trickod.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">would preventing the "Asked to Leave" page from being indexed by search<br>
engines be sufficient?<br>
<br>
Maintaining a book in a physical space sounds like a much harder thing<br>
to maintain, with the result that it could be sufficiently out of date<br>
to be of no use.<br>
<br>
>From experience it's the most recently asked to leave folks that you<br>
have to worry the most about, but once they realise that they're known<br>
to the space and that folks know that they're not welcome they generally<br>
abate.<br>
<br>
p<br>
<br>
Mary Ward:<br>
<div><div class="h5">> Hi All:<br>
><br>
> I am concerned about posting peoples faces publicly on the Omni site. I<br>
> suggest a physical book on the premises instead. The reasons for this are<br>
> due to the slanderous nature of publicly posted bans and that most of those<br>
> who were banned are banned without due process.<br>
><br>
> I realize that the space must be policed in order to function, but I think<br>
> we should think about the rights of the banned persons because they are<br>
> people with feelings, too.<br>
><br>
> Best Regards,<br>
><br>
> Mary Ward<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:34 PM, niki <<a href="mailto:niki.shelley@gmail.com">niki.shelley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> These concerns (access to space, Omni membership, etc.) are ones that I<br>
>> imagine will be addressed in the upcoming visioning / planning process.<br>
>><br>
>> It's my understanding that this process could potentially result in a more<br>
>> top-down restructuring of the management of the Omni with little to no<br>
>> required buy-in from the individual collectives.<br>
>><br>
>> I am not a part of the visioning / planning facilitation team so I don't<br>
>> know too much about what's been discussed thus far but people who are<br>
>> interested in what the future of the Omni looks like, organizationally,<br>
>> should participate in this process.<br>
>><br>
>> N<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Robb Anonymous <<a href="mailto:sf99er@gmail.com">sf99er@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> there seems to be ambiguity about james moon's ban, to wit: i was<br>
>>> informed that his membership was block but that he was not ever banned. if<br>
>>> i was misinformed please clarify.<br>
>>><br>
</div></div>>>> as to jeremy, *the senate* ;) told me he had some issues a while back<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">>>> (online abusive rants?) and that his membership was questionable.<br>
>>><br>
>>> is it ok to take someone's photo if they are about to be asked to leave<br>
>>> or banned?<br>
>>><br>
>>> @jake, your concern for people burning out who have to deal with this<br>
>>> stuff is greatly appreciated.<br>
>>><br>
>>> thx yar, i will register with omni-discuss & omni-mediation so i can tx<br>
>>> the most appropriate lists.<br>
>>> ~r<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> i think we need to work on more practical and effective ways to keep the<br>
>>>> space free of banned persons at all times.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> what can people do when a banned person repeatedly returns whenever they<br>
>>>> feel like they can get in? there are no consequences for trying.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I know that we do not call police for these types of issues, but what<br>
>>>> about telling people that if they return again, the police will be called<br>
>>>> and they will not know it until a cop shows up to grab them?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Does that go against our values? If so, what is a reasonable motivator<br>
>>>> to get people to stop returning all the time?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> If the response is "we just need to keep leaning on members and<br>
>>>> volunteers to constantly beg trespassers to leave again" i fear that we are<br>
>>>> going to burn people out faster than we can replace them.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -jake<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2015, Stephen Whitmore wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Not sure if you're aware of it, but Omni/sudo<br>
>>>>> has <a href="https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Asked_to_Leave" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Asked_to_Leave</a>. Photograph existence<br>
>>>>> varies wildly, of<br>
>>>>> course.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com">patrikd@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Ah - so he was already banned anyway, but was still coming in?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> You know, I have a really hard time putting names to faces. It<br>
>>>>> would be<br>
>>>>> extremely useful if we actually had photographs of the people<br>
>>>>> that are<br>
>>>>> banned, similar to noisebridges 86 page. That way we might<br>
>>>>> actually have some<br>
>>>>> hope of enforcing the bans already in place...<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Patrik<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2015 1:15 PM, "yar" <<a href="mailto:yardenack@gmail.com">yardenack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:10 PM, yar <<a href="mailto:yardenack@gmail.com">yardenack@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> > hackerspace inside the Omni, and it sounds like the people<br>
>>>>> involved<br>
>>>>> > were not Sudoroom members nor did they claim to be, and<br>
>>>>> the<br>
>>>>> events<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Actually I stand corrected, James Moon applied to be a<br>
>>>>> Sudoroom<br>
>>>>> member<br>
>>>>> a couple months ago, before he went on a yelling spree that<br>
>>>>> scared a<br>
>>>>> bunch of people away, and was then blocked from membership<br>
>>>>> and<br>
>>>>> banned.<br>
>>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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>>>>><br>
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