<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>+1up on Jake's post and taking responsibility for guests. <br><br><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Best,</div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br></div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Scott R. Edmonds</div><div style="font-family: UICTFontTextStyleBody; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Mobile: 1-510-928-3469</div></div><div><br>On Nov 28, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Karissa McKelvey <<a href="mailto:karissa.mckelvey@gmail.com">karissa.mckelvey@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>+1 on really being hard on "no smoking inside" rule. That junk is hard to clean</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think it's a problem that people are misusing the space, and not really</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>trying to find out what it's intended for, and not trying to cooperate.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>But i think it's a much bigger problem that people are smoking inside the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>building, which leads me to worry about fires. I think it's pretty</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>miraculous that we haven't had a fire yet, considering how few smoke</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>detectors we have and all the chaos that goes on when nobody's looking.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As for this particular situation, I think we need to ask Darin to take</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>responsibility for his friends and step up to straighten them out. If he</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>says he can't control them, we should ask him to take the lead on figuring</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>out how to keep them from creating problems at Omni since he brought them</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>around. Also since they might respect him more than others of us.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Robb I'm not worried about them calling you a racist, you have thick skin</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>and you can handle it. But I am disappointed that they don't have a better</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>argument as to why they should be allowed to continue using the space. Just</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>because you're a racist doesn't make it OK for them to be smoking inside the</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>omni.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Does anyone have the ability to contact Darin to get him involved with this</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>discussion, on OR off-list?</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-jake</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>P.S. I am not starting a thread about racism, but we should all accept that</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>this society programs us from an early age to be racist, and we need to do</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>our best to grow out of it, while accepting the fact that we almost</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>certainly haven't yet.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, 28 Nov 2015, robb wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>darin, a new member to sudoroom, has been hosting some friends who have</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>all been hanging out in one of the basement rooms. aside from the obvious</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>evidence of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>smoking in the room, there have been no problems.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this morning around 5:30am i noticed the light to the room was off and the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>door was locked. i continued knocking but no answer. i started taking the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>door off the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>hinges and darins friends began notifying they were in there.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>i asked them to leave. 2 out of 3 gave me a hard time and left and the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>other tried to continue hiding & i almost overlooked him. when i finally</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>found him he gave me</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>even more of a hard time than the others but finally left.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>around noon they were here without darin and i informed them of our</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>members sponsoring guests policy and that they should leave and come back</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>with darin.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>i subsequently was told that i was racist and that i was a pussy and</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>stupid for volunteering my time w/o being paid.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>not sure how to proceed, it this a sudoroom issue because they were</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>previously darin's guests (yesterday) or an omni issue because it happened</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>outside of sudoroom</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>w/o any sudo members being involved?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>thx</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>~r</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>sudo-discuss mailing list</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote 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