<p dir="ltr">I just moved into a new house, and the front gate has 125 kilohertz RFID keys. They're super simple to work with, and even parallax and Adafruit has hardware that makes it easy to hack.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Ace monster toys uses the same type of system</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 Feb 2016 3:24 pm, "Jake" <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">why do more than 3 people need keys?<br>
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-jake<br>
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On Fri, 5 Feb 2016, Dante Cassius wrote:<br>
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I strongly feel that security keys probably aren't a good route, for the<br>
simple reason that there are a TON of places that can and will copy<br>
security keys, even though they're not supposed to. Went through this<br>
trying to get an apartment key copied one time and it's seriously not<br>
hard or even that expensive. It's not much of an additional barrier if<br>
somebody wants to give keys to all their friends.<br>
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 3:05 PM, David Keenan <<a href="mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com" target="_blank">dkeenan44@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
I agree with Jake; this issue is also why I reccomended<br>
around May of last year that for non-card keys, we get<br>
security keys that can't be so copied easily. That means we<br>
can't make our own keys for the front door as we now do, but<br>
in this instance that's a good thing imo. <br>
The cost would be about $360. (In addition, I think we should get<br>
a locker that auto-locks, as others have suggested.)<br>
<br>
The email I sent back then: <br>
<br>
Requesting this money be transferred to the building card to<br>
purchase a security lock for the front door. <br>
<br>
Budget sheet:<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12mLeOEJEKZS11iQO5yQxVO21f2ldVbV" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12mLeOEJEKZS11iQO5yQxVO21f2ldVbV</a><br>
n9scQWoAmhyM/edit?usp=docslist_api<br>
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Ronald Reed over at Reed Bros recommended the following<br>
high-security lockset (that is physically hard to copy): <br>
<br>
1x Schlage single-sided deadbolt B560 x 626 ('626'=metal-colored<br>
finish)<br>
$66.00<br>
<br>
1x Primus cylinder 40-700-626 (for the deadbolt)<br>
$113.00<br>
<br>
Lockset total: $179.00<br>
<br>
Primus keys:<br>
$7.50/ea. <br>
# of initial copies of keys: 20 keys.<br>
20x keys: $150<br>
<br>
Project cost:<br>
$329.00 + $31.26 tax = $360.26. <br>
<br>
This is obvs more than $2.25/ea for regular keys, but a lot less<br>
than $13-14/ea as for other high-security keys. <br>
<br>
The keys are:<br>
- stamped with a serial so they can only be made at Reed.<br>
- can be additionally individually serialized (no extra charge)<br>
which I think we should do.<br>
- can be restricted by what we decided IE only copied by a certain<br>
set of individuals with ID. <br>
<br>
The Primus keys have normal bumps but also angular divots on the<br>
side. They have an advantage in that, they can also be used with<br>
regular, existing, non-security cylinders for say interior doors<br>
inside the building. 'Standard' keys made to only open the<br>
interior door would conversely not be able to open the<br>
high-security exterior door. If that makes sense.<br>
<br>
I want to state that I think getting a 'standard' lockset rather<br>
than a high-security one would be counterproductive and just a<br>
waste of our money, time, energy. Stamping 'do not copy' on a<br>
regular key, will do next to nothing. If we don't get a<br>
high-security lockset, I am against spending any money on rekeying<br>
the door. <br>
<br>
Reed Bros will ask for ID when using any card (ATM or credit).<br>
Therefore your name has to be on the card, or you have to pay<br>
cash. So if your name is not on the card or you don't have ID, be<br>
prepared to get cash from the Bank of the West ATM first.<br>
<br>
I am happy to install the lock or Matt will probably be way better<br>
at it. If you get 20 keys, ask for them to be individually<br>
serialized. We should then record somewhere, who gets which key. <br>
<br>
We may want to ask people who want a key to pay for them or pay<br>
the omni back for them..<br>
<br>
Provided everyone agrees, I will get these as soon as funds are<br>
available. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
David<br>
<br>
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On Saturday, January 23, 2016, <a href="mailto:danarauz@gmail.com" target="_blank">danarauz@gmail.com</a><br>
<<a href="mailto:danarauz@gmail.com" target="_blank">danarauz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
Also, something that I have noticed it that the door<br>
doesn't have a handle from the inside, so the door<br>
bounces out easily, or doesn't reach the position to<br>
lock as easy, so one has to grab the push bar and pull<br>
in, then the door can lock. Well, that is what I have<br>
noticed before and this morning when I came in.<br>
If we lost track of who has the key or copies, then I<br>
support the re-keying too.<br>
<br>
Repeating link sent by Laura:<br>
Sign up for a front door shift<br>
here: <a href="https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk</a><br>
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Laura Turiano<br>
<<a href="mailto:scylla@riseup.net" target="_blank">scylla@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br>
It may be time to re key the front door, but I<br>
want to point out that there is a process to<br>
receive an actual key:<br>
<a href="https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Keys" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Keys</a>.<br>
<br>
It would be great to find different hardware<br>
that is more robust and doesn't need relocking<br>
but we dont have money for that right now.<br>
<br>
When there is an event, the event holder is<br>
supposed to have someone stationed at the door<br>
to let people in and tell them where to go.<br>
<br>
If people are smoking the door should still be<br>
closed. They should also be 20 feet away from<br>
the door or windows.<br>
<br>
Sign up for a front door shift here:<br>
<a href="https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://ethercalc.com/omni-front-desk</a><br>
<br>
Laura<br>
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