<html><head></head><body>Hard pass<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On August 17, 2016 5:24:59 PM PDT, Xer0Dynamite <dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> Consider yourself unwelcome in the sudo room space pending a formal ban.<br /></blockquote><br />Before you (Mark Juul, Morgan Allen, Lesley Bell) shoot yourself(ves)<br />in the foot, I implore you to listen with your reason, rather than<br />your reactivity. For example, there are no hackerspaces that are<br />really thriving, do you know that? Further, the level of analysis<br />needed to fix sudo-room's problems are not simple. I say this from<br />someone who's managed hundreds of thousands of dollars, can legally<br />call himself a Doctor, have the auspices of MIT, and has been watching<br />the movement from high above to ensure that it doesn't fail.<br />Sometimes trouble follows individuals not because they are guilty but<br />because they refuse to compromise in a system that DEMANDS it. (In<br />any event, you can sniff around
further at<br /><<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/majanssen">linkedin.com/in/majanssen</a>>.)<br /><br />Hopefully, all of you took the time to read the important info in the<br />message (SUBJ: "Memberships") whereby I explained the complexity of<br />your explorations vis รก vis the group known as Anonymous. Your<br />judgments are COMPLETELY inappropriate pending *actually* asking me<br />what my views are. Presumably, sudo-room doesn't require men to<br />desire male bodies EQUALLY to a woman's or to think that someone<br />DRESSING UP AS A GIRL has somehow magically acquired a uterus and all<br />the struggles that WOMEN have in this world. I mean really give me a<br />fucking break, because the word "inclusivity" can start to look<br />awfully like marshmallow fluff when you have a lock on your door.<br />(BTW, I will admit to having a preference on the M/F question). The<br />same issue is present with noisebridge -- they screen people who<br />silently match their
political ethos/pathos. It's the kind deep and<br />dangerous delusion that Christians have when they believe they're<br />fighting for Jesus.<br /><br />This isn't a criticism of them, for I understand the difficulty of<br />what I call REALITY (the street), but better to be trained and find<br />heuristics to TRANSFORM these experiences than become another<br />bourgeois hangout for (mostly) boys.<br /><br />You don't look incompetent, you look inexperienced. I never thought<br />you were noobs, it's just that it would be very difficult to duplicate<br />the analysis that's been done to make hackerspaces self-sustaining.<br />It's akin to making a national _constitution_. You should consider<br />that before you go excluding potential members who have offered to<br />help.<br /><br />And finally, consider the part of the profile in which you apparently<br />didn't have any problems or concerns: "suicidal". After the failure<br />of Occupy, many of us involved in trying to
make a balanced world are<br />getting burned out. The pressures of living are high and the hopes<br />are not. Hackerspaces were supposed to act as refuge and sanctuary<br />for such fighters. But it is getting sidetracked by MEN who blow<br />their load in each other's mouths and WANT TAX BREAKS. You didn't get<br />it at all: I was called a fag in high school, so were my friends, who<br />were more punk than I was. I can make legitimate use of that word and<br />know far more about it than you who may just be looking to be<br />"politically correct". Perhaps your interest in humanity in a joke,<br />but it implies that there is at least one human who is on the brink of<br />ending his or her life.<br /><br />If the aforementioned all jumped to on Juul's train of thought without<br />due consideration, then my analogy was more apt than I had planned:<br />you are like the rats congregating on that sinking ship.<br /><br />Truth and Justice.<br /><br />Marxos<br /><br /><br
/><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Xer0Dynamite <dreamingforward@gmail.com><br /> wrote:<br /><br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> On 8/15/16, Marc Juul <juul@labitat.dk> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> sudo room allows ... ONE ... member to block the membership<br /> application.... ...You cannot become a sudo room member.<br /> There is no way to appeal this decision.<br /> (emphasis mine)<br /></blockquote><br /> Please take a moment to review your idea of memberships. I understand<br /> your current policy as it is written. Are you aware that such a<br /> policy amounts to a tacit dictatorship? (One person can decide the<br /> fate of all future interactions.)<br
/><br /> Onto your other points. You decided to explore a little more than you<br /> were told in the membership application and it got you into jumping to<br /> some conclusions that aren't going towards truth (as you would<br /> otherwise, reasonably, expect).<br /><br /> The twitter account you mention has no face as it is a shared account<br /> belonging to part of an activist collective called "Anonymous". More<br /> to the point, it is a space for those with no voice, like those in<br /> prison for crimes that your leaders do on an annual basis, the Native<br /> Americans (who shouldn't be expected to learn how to use the internet<br /> just to get justice). You apparently didn't wish to include those<br /> tweets. The profile tag line that *I* had placed there was "So<br /> transparent as to be invisible...." (and did not reference the female<br /> directly). That is, in fact, how you found it at all. Unfortunately,<br /> that tagline is no longer there. I'm still
transparent, and you can<br /> ask me anything you want, should you decide to use your freedom that<br /> we've been fighting on your behalf for genuine inquiry rather than<br /> forming premature conclusions that serve neither me nor the future of<br /> sudoroom. We use this collective individuality as a counterpoint to<br /> the adverse collective personality that you under one now called<br /> "Annuit Coeptis" which you can find on the back of the US$1,<br /> left-hand-side. That phrase is ancient Latin for "We are looking over<br /> you" with the preposition "over" to imply, semantically, the notion of<br /> parentship.<br /><br /> To the point, if you wish to go over all the tweets on that account<br /> one-by-one, we can do that, in the presence of your the sudo-room<br /> polit-bureau, if you'd like. I will admit, for example, that I had<br /> indeed tweeted that women should [collectively] stop sucking the cock<br /> of the anti-Christ. You got me.<br /><br /> As has
been communicated on several occasions by Anonymous, anyone can<br /> join this movement The membership application for the account in<br /> question is much more simple. I just have to give you the password<br /> and you are automatically in, there is no vetting process. ...But<br /> judging from your message, I assume you wouldn't be interested. Am I<br /> to understand, for example, that you have only seen the anatomy of a<br /> woman through approved and vetted processes and mediums, yourself?<br /> Please take a moment and reflect.<br /><br /> The note on the profile that you *didn't* take into account that these<br /> are missives from the "uber-mind". Perhaps it is unfortunate that it<br /> makes reference to a part of the female anatomy in a manner of which<br /> you do not approve. I, myself, did approve, otherwise I would have<br /> removed it, and I further know the intentions of the person(s) who set<br /> that note in the profile believes and *fights* for women
to be equal.<br /> How much have you yourself done that? (I should note that I cannot be<br /> certain that only the one individual set that profile, such is the<br /> nature of anonymity and aggregating activism.)<br /><br /> I have to believe, for your sake, that your note was not sent strictly<br /> with your own personality in mind, but also a result of a collective<br /> consciousness in which you do not have complete control. Few do have<br /> control. Between your diet, the medical system, and the law, pretty<br /> much everyone has been p0wned.<br /><br /> Towards some other points, I should attempt to reason with you on your<br /> current decision. Sudo-room, in its present state, is financially<br /> insolvent, has no business plan, has rent in the 10s of THOUSANDS of<br /> dollars and is in the ghetto. You do have need to save your ship from<br /> sinking. I am here on a raft shooting the flare that "I'm here". If<br /> you wish to continue to captain that giant
ship on your own, I have to<br /> allow that. For that is my own personal policy: to allow others to<br /> fail -- if, when given the options and consequences of error, they<br /> choose to act on their own. Even then.<br /><br /> Cheers,<br /><br /> Mark,<br /> aka Marxos, Captain Dynamite.</blockquote><br /><br /></blockquote><hr /><br />sudo-discuss mailing list<br />sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org<br /><a href="https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss">https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br /></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>