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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Jake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">i think we would all rather close sudoroom than hang out with you.<br>
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if you want friends, consider changing your attitude.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2016, Xer0Dynamite wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Consider yourself unwelcome in the sudo room space pending a formal ban.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Before you (Mark Juul, Morgan Allen, Lesley Bell) shoot yourself(ves)<br>
in the foot, I implore you to listen with your reason, rather than<br>
your reactivity. For example, there are no hackerspaces that are<br>
really thriving, do you know that? Further, the level of analysis<br>
needed to fix sudo-room's problems are not simple. I say this from<br>
someone who's managed hundreds of thousands of dollars, can legally<br>
call himself a Doctor, have the auspices of MIT, and has been watching<br>
the movement from high above to ensure that it doesn't fail.<br>
Sometimes trouble follows individuals not because they are guilty but<br>
because they refuse to compromise in a system that DEMANDS it. (In<br>
any event, you can sniff around further at<br>
<<a href="http://linkedin.com/in/majanssen" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/majanssen</a>>.)<br>
<br>
Hopefully, all of you took the time to read the important info in the<br>
message (SUBJ: "Memberships") whereby I explained the complexity of<br>
your explorations vis á vis the group known as Anonymous. Your<br>
judgments are COMPLETELY inappropriate pending *actually* asking me<br>
what my views are. Presumably, sudo-room doesn't require men to<br>
desire male bodies EQUALLY to a woman's or to think that someone<br>
DRESSING UP AS A GIRL has somehow magically acquired a uterus and all<br>
the struggles that WOMEN have in this world. I mean really give me a<br>
fucking break, because the word "inclusivity" can start to look<br>
awfully like marshmallow fluff when you have a lock on your door.<br>
(BTW, I will admit to having a preference on the M/F question). The<br>
same issue is present with noisebridge -- they screen people who<br>
silently match their political ethos/pathos. It's the kind deep and<br>
dangerous delusion that Christians have when they believe they're<br>
fighting for Jesus.<br>
<br>
This isn't a criticism of them, for I understand the difficulty of<br>
what I call REALITY (the street), but better to be trained and find<br>
heuristics to TRANSFORM these experiences than become another<br>
bourgeois hangout for (mostly) boys.<br>
<br>
You don't look incompetent, you look inexperienced. I never thought<br>
you were noobs, it's just that it would be very difficult to duplicate<br>
the analysis that's been done to make hackerspaces self-sustaining.<br>
It's akin to making a national _constitution_. You should consider<br>
that before you go excluding potential members who have offered to<br>
help.<br>
<br>
And finally, consider the part of the profile in which you apparently<br>
didn't have any problems or concerns: "suicidal". After the failure<br>
of Occupy, many of us involved in trying to make a balanced world are<br>
getting burned out. The pressures of living are high and the hopes<br>
are not. Hackerspaces were supposed to act as refuge and sanctuary<br>
for such fighters. But it is getting sidetracked by MEN who blow<br>
their load in each other's mouths and WANT TAX BREAKS. You didn't get<br>
it at all: I was called a fag in high school, so were my friends, who<br>
were more punk than I was. I can make legitimate use of that word and<br>
know far more about it than you who may just be looking to be<br>
"politically correct". Perhaps your interest in humanity in a joke,<br>
but it implies that there is at least one human who is on the brink of<br>
ending his or her life.<br>
<br>
If the aforementioned all jumped to on Juul's train of thought without<br>
due consideration, then my analogy was more apt than I had planned:<br>
you are like the rats congregating on that sinking ship.<br>
<br>
Truth and Justice.<br>
<br>
Marxos<br>
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On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Xer0Dynamite <<a href="mailto:dreamingforward@gmail.com" target="_blank">dreamingforward@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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On 8/15/16, Marc Juul <<a href="mailto:juul@labitat.dk" target="_blank">juul@labitat.dk</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
sudo room allows ... ONE ... member to block the membership<br>
application.... ...You cannot become a sudo room member.<br>
There is no way to appeal this decision.<br>
(emphasis mine)<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Please take a moment to review your idea of memberships. I understand<br>
your current policy as it is written. Are you aware that such a<br>
policy amounts to a tacit dictatorship? (One person can decide the<br>
fate of all future interactions.)<br>
<br>
Onto your other points. You decided to explore a little more than you<br>
were told in the membership application and it got you into jumping to<br>
some conclusions that aren't going towards truth (as you would<br>
otherwise, reasonably, expect).<br>
<br>
The twitter account you mention has no face as it is a shared account<br>
belonging to part of an activist collective called "Anonymous". More<br>
to the point, it is a space for those with no voice, like those in<br>
prison for crimes that your leaders do on an annual basis, the Native<br>
Americans (who shouldn't be expected to learn how to use the internet<br>
just to get justice). You apparently didn't wish to include those<br>
tweets. The profile tag line that *I* had placed there was "So<br>
transparent as to be invisible...." (and did not reference the female<br>
directly). That is, in fact, how you found it at all. Unfortunately,<br>
that tagline is no longer there. I'm still transparent, and you can<br>
ask me anything you want, should you decide to use your freedom that<br>
we've been fighting on your behalf for genuine inquiry rather than<br>
forming premature conclusions that serve neither me nor the future of<br>
sudoroom. We use this collective individuality as a counterpoint to<br>
the adverse collective personality that you under one now called<br>
"Annuit Coeptis" which you can find on the back of the US$1,<br>
left-hand-side. That phrase is ancient Latin for "We are looking over<br>
you" with the preposition "over" to imply, semantically, the notion of<br>
parentship.<br>
<br>
To the point, if you wish to go over all the tweets on that account<br>
one-by-one, we can do that, in the presence of your the sudo-room<br>
polit-bureau, if you'd like. I will admit, for example, that I had<br>
indeed tweeted that women should [collectively] stop sucking the cock<br>
of the anti-Christ. You got me.<br>
<br>
As has been communicated on several occasions by Anonymous, anyone can<br>
join this movement The membership application for the account in<br>
question is much more simple. I just have to give you the password<br>
and you are automatically in, there is no vetting process. ...But<br>
judging from your message, I assume you wouldn't be interested. Am I<br>
to understand, for example, that you have only seen the anatomy of a<br>
woman through approved and vetted processes and mediums, yourself?<br>
Please take a moment and reflect.<br>
<br>
The note on the profile that you *didn't* take into account that these<br>
are missives from the "uber-mind". Perhaps it is unfortunate that it<br>
makes reference to a part of the female anatomy in a manner of which<br>
you do not approve. I, myself, did approve, otherwise I would have<br>
removed it, and I further know the intentions of the person(s) who set<br>
that note in the profile believes and *fights* for women to be equal.<br>
How much have you yourself done that? (I should note that I cannot be<br>
certain that only the one individual set that profile, such is the<br>
nature of anonymity and aggregating activism.)<br>
<br>
I have to believe, for your sake, that your note was not sent strictly<br>
with your own personality in mind, but also a result of a collective<br>
consciousness in which you do not have complete control. Few do have<br>
control. Between your diet, the medical system, and the law, pretty<br>
much everyone has been p0wned.<br>
<br>
Towards some other points, I should attempt to reason with you on your<br>
current decision. Sudo-room, in its present state, is financially<br>
insolvent, has no business plan, has rent in the 10s of THOUSANDS of<br>
dollars and is in the ghetto. You do have need to save your ship from<br>
sinking. I am here on a raft shooting the flare that "I'm here". If<br>
you wish to continue to captain that giant ship on your own, I have to<br>
allow that. For that is my own personal policy: to allow others to<br>
fail -- if, when given the options and consequences of error, they<br>
choose to act on their own. Even then.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
Mark,<br>
aka Marxos, Captain Dynamite.<br>
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