<div dir="auto">Elvis...er..ummm.. The Ladder has not left the building. It was found crouching behind a dishwasher, copying machine, and other items.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 27, 2018 9:51 AM, "Brendan Kierans" <<a href="mailto:bpkierans@gmail.com">bpkierans@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Thanks for looking into the fine print of the specs. Glad you caught that. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yeah, any ladder being sold will comply with an OSHA standard but specifically for electrical they ask for non conductive - I don't have time today to dive into that text today - material for the ladder so, wood or fiberglass. I honestly think you guys would be just fine with aluminium, I just want to make sure everyone is aware of what they are buying. It's not very often that I imagine Omni directly highering someone on a W2.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 26, 2018 11:13 PM, "Ken Litchfield" <<a href="mailto:litchfield.ken@gmail.com" target="_blank">litchfield.ken@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Heyall,</div><div><br></div><div>Once it all gets settled on the model, price, and parameters add some accessory costs for some bike locks or cable locks to make it easy to lock it close to whatever project it is needed for at the time andor its permanent storage spot. Copies of the keys could be left with Jenny, Robb, and a couple others so someone responsible could always get a key from some stash spot or person.<br><br></div>Thanks Ken<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Ah, I didn't see that it slides down to half it's length - that is definitely useful. The old 13ft ladder was a handful to navigate through the hallway, and a 15' or 16' one might not even fit unless it can be collapsed down a bit. </div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I do think it would make more sense for the ladder to be paid out of Omni funds, but the cost share is small enough that I'm not going to nitpick that. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would suggest we approve this purchase. And while we wait for everybody to get on board, maybe we can look around a bit more for a better deal...</div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="auto"><br></div>Patrik</font></span><div><div class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445h5"><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 26, 2018 6:45 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <<a href="mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com" target="_blank">tunabananas@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>To Brendan's points:<br>* The ladder you posted lists in specs: Step Ladder Maximum Height - Closed (ft.) - 8.58<br></div>The ladder needs to be A-Frame height tall enough to reach the ballroom ceiling (21' - 7' estimate human height reaching = 13' minimum standing from the top step, so 15' safely)<br></div>* Re: OSHA, the listing I posted states "<span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item">The Skyscraper M15 exceeds all OSHA and ANSI standards and is rated to hold up to 300 lbs.
" The postings Patrik listed all claim to be OSHA-Compliant, as well - can you post a link or quote the code re: aluminum ladders?<br><br></span></div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item">To Patrik's - <br></span></div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item">Most of the ladders on the Home Depot site all have estimated delivery times of March 1-6, are not adjustable, and store at full height (14'-16'), whereas the one I posted will arrive between Feb 6-9, is fully adjustable, and stores at 8' (meaning it can be transported on a car's roof rack, otherwise this cost would not be split with mesh). Also, the only ones sufficiently tall enough (16') are in the $600 range, except for the last one you listed: <br></span></div><div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item"><br></span></div><div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item"><a href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-AS1016/300388424" target="_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lo<wbr>uisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum<wbr>-Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load<wbr>-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-<wbr>AS1016/300388424</a><br></span></div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item">That one's $433 and expected delivery between Feb 2-8<br><br><a href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Step-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-T7414/203134372?MERCH=REC-_-rv_gm_pip_rr-_-300388424-_-203134372-_-N" target="_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/We<wbr>rner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Ste<wbr>p-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capa<wbr>city-Type-IA-T7414/203134372?M<wbr>ERCH=REC-_-rv_gm_pip_rr-_-3003<wbr>88424-_-203134372-_-N</a><br></span></div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item">This one <i>may</i> suffice (ceiling reachable from the top step), and is fiberglass and $495. The 16' version is $597. Neither would arrive until March, tho.<br><br></span></div><span class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-a-list-item">If we go for the $433 ladder, we'd need to be able to store it at 16' and mesh wouldn't participate in the cost-share. Split equitably that'd be $150 each from Omni, Sudo & CCL, or weighted, $250 from Omni and $100 each from sudo & CCL.<br></span><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-specs__group m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-col-12 m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214gmail-m_7373992278842008962gmail-col-lg-6" style="min-height:0px">
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<br></div><div class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465elided-text"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2">Is it just me, or does $675 seem awfully expensive for a 300lb, 15' ladder? </div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br></div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2">Here's a few 14' and 16' ladders at Home Despot that are closer to the $400 range:</div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br></div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><a href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-414/203134172" target="_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/We<wbr>rner-14-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladde<wbr>r-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Ty<wbr>pe-IA-414/203134172</a><br></div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><a href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-14-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-AS1014/300388422" target="_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lo<wbr>uisville-Ladder-14-ft-Aluminum<wbr>-Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load<wbr>-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-<wbr>AS1014/300388422</a><br></div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><a href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Werner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Step-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-T7414/203134372" target="_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/We<wbr>rner-14-ft-Fiberglass-Twin-Ste<wbr>p-Ladder-with-300-lb-Load-Capa<wbr>city-Type-IA-T7414/203134372</a><br></div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><a href="https://www.homedepot.com/p/Louisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum-Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-AS1016/300388424" target="_blank">https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lo<wbr>uisville-Ladder-16-ft-Aluminum<wbr>-Step-Ladder-with-300-lbs-Load<wbr>-Capacity-Type-IA-Duty-Rating-<wbr>AS1016/300388424</a><br></div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br></div><div id="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250gmail-m_5764695999412056159DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2">Patrik<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214h5">On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 4:08 PM, Jenny Ryan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com" target="_blank">tunabananas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214h5"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>Greetings Omninoms/sudoers/CCL'ers/meshe<wbr>rs,<br><br></div>Last week, Omni's tall A-frame ladder disappeared from the entrance hall (if anyone noticed someone exiting the building with a ~13' wooden ladder, lmk). <br><br></div>Robb and I did a bit of research, and ladders that tall are hard to come by and fairly expensive. This 15' A-frame Little Giant seems to be the best bet:<br><a href="https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00064C4SQ/" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000<wbr>64C4SQ/</a><br></div><div><br></div>Our scaffolding is bulky, takes time to set up, and doesn't reach the ceilings in the ballroom, entrance hall nor sudo/ccl. A bucket lift is ~10x more expensive, and wouldn't be able to access some parts of the building we'd use it in. With a ladder this size, we could use it for working on the ceilings everywhere - and mesh could use it for our Sunday node mounts.</div><div><br></div><div>The cost is $674.80, so I'm proposing the following financial split:</div><div>* Omni - $330</div><div>* Sudo - $115</div><div>* CCL - $115</div><div>* Sudo Mesh - $115</div><div><br></div><div>Ideas on how best to securely store it? <br></div><br></div>Please let me know asap if there are any blocking concerns or better ideas. I'll bring it up at the next sudoroom and mesh meetings and hopefully someone can bring it up at CCL's.<br><br><3<br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="m_4045149037689356285m_6584580338605850445m_-6118160395441032465m_-4154660077332671214m_6693752891119774250m_397650763224968816gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Jenny<br><br></div><div>Help open a professional kitchen at the Omni Commons in Oakland!<br></div><div><a href="https://omnicommons.org/kitchen" target="_blank">https://omnicommons.org/kitche<wbr>n</a><br>
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