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<p>On 2019-02-07 7:04 pm, robb wrote:</p>
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<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 7:00 PM Jake <<a href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" rel="noreferrer">jake@spaz.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">I want to clarify that, to the extent my membership of sudoroom gives me a say<br /> in this decision, that I think that the proposal should be rejected for any<br /> number of pretty obvious reasons. If the people of Sudoroom want to have a<br /> longer dialogue about this and address the concerns that I have (as do others<br /> i'm sure) then we should schedule that, otherwise I ask that our delegates go<br /> to the meeting with a rejection of the proposal from sudoroom.<br /><br /> am I missing something?<br /><br /> thank you,<br /> -jake<br /><br /> On Thu, 7 Feb 2019, Jenny Ryan wrote:<br /><br /> > To clarify, as these "miscommunications" continue to circulate:<br /> ><br /> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:16 PM Yardena Cohen <<a href="mailto:yardenack@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer">yardenack@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br /> ><br /> >> They're not asking for "free rent forever" - I don't even know where<br /> >> people are getting that idea. Please read the proposal again - they're<br /> >> offering to continue paying as much as they're able, up to 50% of<br /> >> their budget, with the understanding that this would settle any<br /> >> outstanding debts.<br /> >><br /> ><br /> > Of course that's what they're asking for - there's no end date on this<br /> > proposal. But more to the point, a percentage doesn't work as we have no<br /> > way of knowing or tracking how much that is, as they are not fiscally<br /> > sponsored by Omni. Or you're asking more hours of the Treasurer (ahem) to<br /> > track down financial reporting from their fiscal sponsor. I'm not<br /> > interested in taking on more Omni Finance labor right now.<br /> ><br /> ><br /> >> Robb, are you talking about the "Out of the Blue" event which is<br /> >> specifically mentioned in the email you forwarded, which they say was<br /> >> a miscommunication which they're willing to move on from?<br /> >><br /> ><br /> > I'm sure happy to move on from, given that it was a blatant attempt at<br /> > embezzlement.<br /> ><br /> > If we're talking about good faith, the most important aspect IMO is<br /> >> the ASSUMPTION of good faith. That means when someone tells you what<br /> >> they can afford, don't accuse them of lying based on snap judgements<br /> >> about their clothes, or of secretly hiding donations because they're<br /> >> fiscally sponsored by someone else, or of embezzling money just<br /> >> because someone else "completed the contract" for an event, or of<br /> >> "holding back-rent as a carrot gift" when they're clearly just trying<br /> >> to settle their debts in whatever way possible.<br /> >><br /> ><br /> > It was not "completing the contract" - it was outright editing the contract<br /> > after it was signed and the invoice paid, to say "$1000 goes to GCEA back<br /> > rent" after it had been entirely negotiated, written up, and signed by Joe<br /> > and the event renter (who never mentioned any ties to GCEA).<br /> ><br /> > There has not been any attempt to settle debts, and there won't be that I<br /> > can foresee. That's the carrot. It's a gimme to the delegates to make this<br /> > sound like a reasonable proposal.<br /> ><br /> > _______________________________________________<br /> >> sudo-discuss mailing list<br /> >> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" rel="noreferrer">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br /> >> <a href="https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br /> >><br /> ><br /> _______________________________________________<br /> sudo-discuss mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" rel="noreferrer">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br /><a href="https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></blockquote>
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