according to Matt:
"The correct door that fits there is currently in the pile of materials
in the basement."
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
> +1 for what Kaje said if anyone in the Building WG wants to start
> coordinating this?
>
> Jake, is the door still nearby?
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:53 AM Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:
>
>> i think the entrance to sudo/ccl should have a door before we bother
>> putting a
>>
>> card reader.
>>
>>
>>
>> the door that had been there was removed, because it swung inwards, which
>> is
>>
>> unacceptable for an emergency exit. The door needs to be re-installed
>> with the
>>
>> hinges swinging outward, so that in case an emergency happens in sudo/ccl
>>
>> people can just flood outward.
>>
>>
>>
>> after the door is installed that way, with a panic bar (not a regular
>> doorknob)
>>
>> we can install a card reader.
>>
>>
>>
>> -jake
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2017, Maureen Muldavin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you are working on RFID cards any possibility that the entrance to
>>
>>> sudo/ccl could get a card reader? Been wanting access control for
>>
>>> awhile.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> i brought in a wheelchair motor a while ago that I think could be made
>> into
>>
>>>> a
>>
>>>> power door-opener pretty well.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I can work on a proof-of-concept for that and then be able to show you
>> what
>>
>>>> I
>>
>>>> mean, and then we can see if it will be good enough for our needs as
>> opposed
>>
>>>> to
>>
>>>> spending $2800 on a "proper" door opener.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> as for the RFID cards, Alex and I have been working on implementing the
>> card
>>
>>>> reader thing for a little while and I think I can add it to the front
>> door
>>
>>>> pretty relatively easily.., and I guess i'll do that first, rather than
>>
>>>> trying
>>
>>>> to do a storage closet first?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> as always, if anyone wants to participate in this process they should
>>
>>>> definitely jump in, otherwise it's subject to my chaotic schedule.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> technical questions about making this happen should be sent to the
>> access
>>
>>>> list
>>
>>>> and possibly the sudoroom list, but probably not the building list as it
>>
>>>> will
>>
>>>> be a major distraction if we get into the weeds of microcontroller
>> boards
>>
>>>> and
>>
>>>> door server code...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> also, yes I do have the box of RFID stuff you ordered and i've been
>> working
>>
>>>> on
>>
>>>> it~
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> -jake
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Sun, 15 Jan 2017, David Keenan wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> Hi Jake / access control folks -
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> So now that our front door is publicly labelled as accessible, we need
>> to
>>
>>>>> install an automatic door opener & remote button (kickplate &
>> hand-height
>>
>>>>> or a long bar) to make it legal.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Reason I bring this up to you guys is, the opener system will need to
>>
>>>>> integrate into our existing/future access control somehow. The quote I
>> got
>>
>>>>> is $2800 (50% parts, 50% labor) for a package including the Open Sesame
>>
>>>>> Model 233 (brochure
>>
>>>>> <
>> http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/open_sesame_brochure.pdf>,
>>
>>>>> spec
>>
>>>>> sheet <
>> http://www.opensesamedoor.com/index_htm_files/specs_model233.pdf>),
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> made in San Leandro.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Also, some of us met last week re: sketching out Omni's accessibility
>>
>>>>> plan,
>>
>>>>> and Yar suggested this might be a good time to also implement RFID
>> system
>>
>>>>> for the front door, if that was possible? In part because, proximity
>> to an
>>
>>>>> RFID fob is more accessible than a card swipe which (after thinking
>> about
>>
>>>>> it) I realized requires a pincing motion that is likely not ADA...
>> because
>>
>>>>> of the excessive door opening pressure and iffy slope on the front
>>
>>>>> landing,
>>
>>>>> we need an RFID & auto-opener.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> So -- I'm not sure if any more work has been done on the RFID systems I
>>
>>>>> put
>>
>>>>> in sudo a little while ago (stashed in under-stair storage area),
>> might it
>>
>>>>> be possible to integrate these into the door opener? I note in the
>>
>>>>> brochure
>>
>>>>> they offer a keypad access option - perhaps an opportunity for 2-factor
>>
>>>>> authentication like Marc had talked about? Anyhow what do you guys
>> think?
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> I apologize for not helping y'all more with a better access control
>> system
>>
>>>>> (helping spaces post-ghostship consumed my bandwidth), but as there is
>> now
>>
>>>>> renewed pressure I want to help as I can. Would installing a trial
>>
>>>>> RFID/throw on the Omni Office for example still be helpful towards
>> getting
>>
>>>>> this nailed down? Lmk
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Fwiw - I see the opener as pressing at this point not just 'cause its
>> long
>>
>>>>> overdue, but because every day our front door is labelled as accessible
>>
>>>>> when it's technically not, is actually a not-insignificant liability
>> issue
>>
>>>>> (accessibility lawsuit). Plus of course, we are still under scrutiny by
>>
>>>>> the
>>
>>>>> city, nimby neighbors trying to call us out for bogus reasons, etc etc.
>>
>>>>> And
>>
>>>>> per building code the front door must be made fully accessible before
>> any
>>
>>>>> other accessibility work starts on the rest of the building - at some
>>
>>>>> point
>>
>>>>> an inspector's gonna notice since they all go through that
>> door..anyhow.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Let me know how myself & those of us working on accessibility might be
>>
>>>>> able
>>
>>>>> to help -
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Best,
>>
>>>>> David
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
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