Hey all,I felt compelled to finish the updates to see what ya'll think of my depiction of a simplified and abstract representation of the overall pattern of network development / growth, this time paralleled with the community development that propels the growth. (I may switch Right with Left also btw)
Haven't caught up entirely on this thread, but looking forward to re-reading shortly.
See attached.// MattOn Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Mitar <mitar@tnode.com> wrote:
Hi!
All these issues we addressed by using VPN tunnels from nodes to connect
> In the US, sharing one's bandwidth is considered risky at best,
> dangerous at worst. Getting DMCA'd because somebody ran a torrent
> over your connection, getting raided because a neighbor downloaded
> something illegal using your connection, getting your service cut off
> because they found out you were sharing it... Additionally, there is
> always some risk incurred in using a network that you don't know the
> provenance of.
all nodes first together into a common network, and then Internet access
is a network-wide service. Public IP of host's Internet connection is
not visible.
As I said, we made things easy. People do not have to know how to
protect their sharing of Internet, we designed that once and then can
just use it (they can of course also hack further on it, but this is not
a requirement for you to participate), so that they can then easily
share Internet.
I agree with you, if you leave things complicated, then people will want
to learn first technology to be able to protect themselves and
understand better the risks. But if you develop technology in a way that
the risks are low, then they do not feel anymore that is necessary and
they are still willing to participate.
That's clients issue. Not hosts issue (the person who would host an open
> Looking at it from a user's perspective, hopping onto someone's AP can
> be hazardous because you don't know if it's a boobytrap or not.
AP). We should educate clients as well, they should not trust any
network anyway.
The question is how to make many hosts to participate. You are saying by
teaching them how technology works. I am saying by making technology so
easy and safe, that they do not have to learn that. (But are of course
very much encouraged to do it, if they want, but it should not be a
requirement.)
That's why you put a sticker on the black box which says "use me" and
> In our experience, people started using the black box when they
> understood that it was set up for them, and intended for them to use.
> When it's less unknown it's often seen as safer, and more likely to
> be used.
you put SSID into the air which says "use me".
OK, emergencies, unrest, disaster preparation are definitely a very
> Most of the contact we've gotten was from activists who were actively
> setting up meshes for that purpose. Emergencies, unrest, disaster
> preparation, things like that. Very few people for the second. About
> as many people for the third as the second.
different use cases than what we are trying to address primarily in
Slovenia. Probably you really want and need to understand technology
when you want to deploy it in such situations.
But for home use, for casual browsing, I would argue that this might not
be necessary (but of course welcoming and empowering).
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