What if, instead of the city building its own mesh network, we could turn things around and offer the community owned mesh network capabilities to the city for use in emergencies? Sort of like ARES (Amateur Radio Emergency Services). The network is owned and operated by the community, but in an emergency, or during practice drills for emergencies, the network is operated in a way to aid in providing emergency services to the community.

This has worked for the amateur radio world for a very long time. I wonder if the same sort of ideas could be applied here.

Maybe the cops and firemen don't need to be the bad guys?

-steve


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas@gmail.com> wrote:
The plot thickens:
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/11/12/the-seattle-police-department-disables-its-mesh-network-the-new-apparatus-capable-of-spying-on-you

Some folks on the Seattle Meshnet project want to speak to what's going on? It's an opportunity to coattail off this news to get the word out about community-owned networks and how we can do it right. Also a warning to how we should go about our own deployment and next steps. Double concurrence with the Doctor!


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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, The Doctor <drwho@virtadpt.net> wrote:
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On 11/10/2013 11:44 AM, Steve Berl wrote:
> Couldn't a community mesh network be suspected of having the same
> sort of tracking abilities?

After this?  Absolutely.

> How do we convince potential mesh network users that we aren't
> collecting location data on them?

Build community personally, not with flyers and code drops.  Go out.
Meet people.  Talk to them.  If they ask, tell them that you won't,
you can't, and offer to prove it to them.  They might not take you up
on it, but by being willing to put your neck on the line for it,
you'll earn the trust of the people you want as users.

If they see that there are people working on this and not a faceless
organization, they'll be more likely to work with you.

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