A couple of years ago when I was lurking OSE heavily, they were
talking about how to get more people involved and utilize all of the
people in their network. They failed at this tremendously. A major
reason was that they required most people to come to Missouri to
really be involved and already have the skills they needed. For other
projects they made proposals and had people bid on them to develop,
but this would only produce 1 iteration of the device - which is not
so good.
Marcin refused to alter the GVSC at all. He was convinced that this
set of machines was the only set that should be built - however there
are many synergies to be considered and many patterns that need to be
tried. He ignored that fact that most people live in cities and that
people of flooding in to them at an accelerated pace. He ignored a
large lesson of Pattern Language that much of the concept was based on
- the emotion needs to be there and a sense of ownership has to be
there. Morale is multiplicative. Decision making has to be made at the
right scale.
Around that time they were talk on the forums about making it more
social. They released a survey and had people make profiles. They
talked about how funds were allocated - but it wasn't all forthcoming
- Marcin complained loudly about all of his time being spent writing
blog posts and pacifying people that he wasn't stealing their money. I
suggested that people be able to pick which projects they funded to
deaf ears. There were suggestions of gamifying, of giving everyone a
personal blog, of different layers of solidity in the documentation
(work being codified more and more as it was proven to work.) None of
this came to pass because it wasn't there at the beginnning. The
morale was sapped very quickly - collaborators were turned away in
droves.
DIYDrones did it right. That is the reason the have thrived and why
they are not all in prison or largely ignored - even if they are on
watchlists. They added a social component in the beginning - blogs
posts, profiles, maps - and they bootstrapped from the beginning. It
started as hobby and then they started selling kits because no good
ones existed. Now Chris Anderson has quit his job as the editor of
Wire to run the company with a high school student from Mexico he met
from the site.
Then there is Alchematter. It is a site being made by one of Marcin's
collorabotors to basically be Instructables that you can fork -
changing the design slightly, the materials - but being able to branch
design and see how it connects - sort of like what James Burke has
talked about with his Knowledge Web (which also hasn't come out) but
for developing technology rather than just exploring it. OSE missed
its opportunity to become the repository for all the worlds Open
Hardware projects. Its real value has been how inspiring the
collection of material in its Wiki is and the idea of being able to
compete with industrial machine companies, public utilities, financial
institutions - regardless of the value of any of its designs. If they
had harnessed that - getting the amateurs involved with the experts -
catologing all the forks, I'm sure the parts of the GVSC that actually
mattered would be made by now.
You can't pitch to people all the time. High minded talk can only
motivate you for so long before it isn't yours anymore - no goal makes
that being controlled worth it, the process affects the product. The
meaning has to come from inside. Ask for help and show them it is fun.
Let people choose the direction of their learning - there is no need
to tell them what is important - that will only reflect your own
opinion. Realize that building skills take years and that there is no
"if we just." That makes you write off the amateurs because they don't
have the skills you need immediately. If you catch yourself thinking
that, realize that time won't stop once the goal has been reached.
There is always something on the path - a reason to change directions.
Rather its - how do we get there, what do we do if we fail, why did we
fail? If you have to convince people that this is the only way to save
the world - its not their world anymore, and its not worth saving.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 13:27:56 -0700
> From: "corey.scher" <corey.scher@riseup.net>
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>> 510.387-2010
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> From: Jonoakland <bayopensourcehardware@gmail.com>
> To: "omi@lists.sudoroom.org" <omi@lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [omi] Wut should we do ?
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>> Well kids im out in the woods
> It seems we got a lot of ideas
> I tend to agrea with
>
> 1. O.s.e. is a shit show and thare dusiges are shal we say not 100 %
>
> 2. We should make something fucking asum
>
> 3. We should make lots of diferent stuf
>
> 4. We should make stuff we or are cumunitey needs
>
> 5.beer is good
>
> A plan me and my friend corey have talked about is reeching out to local
> Food justice orgs/ large erben farms and asking them what thay need and
> makeing it for them
> It seems like a good thing to do and we could rase money for muterals
> With a team efert with thare groups
> On a kick starter or what ev
>
> Eny way i love u guys
> Sorry my spellings all short busy
> Spell check cant figer it out and i dont rilly care that much
> Good luck i spell f-u-n-e-t-i-k-l-y
>
> Ps no work party this sat the shop is all
> Fucked cuz the house kids are gitting redy for a art show
>
> Your truly
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> The Pot Belly Hippster Viking
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> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 10:18:07 -0700
> From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo@gmail.com>
> To: "omi@lists.sudoroom.org" <omi@lists.sudoroom.org>
> Subject: [omi] Conversation Today [Was: Design rant & Wut should we
> do]
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> Hi all,
>
> To follow up on these weeks conversations on this list, we are meeting
> today at 7pm @ sudo room. Not everyone is able to be present today, which
> is fine - this is an ongoing conversation, and I am happy to take
> responsibility that everyone is and feels included, and that it is
> documented and fed forward.
>
> Suggested framing for the conversation:
>
> - Quickfire, "Why are you part of OMI?"
> - What are the current needs of ourselves, the communities around us,
> and the world, in terms of technology and in relation to basic needs
> (~energy/water/food/housing/exploration & manufacturing)? What open
> technologies do we believe are important to develop (and/or manufacture)
> to
> help solve these needs? What role do we want OMI as an organization to
> play
> in this? (~why does OMI exist)
> - Which open technologies etc. are each of us inspired to develop and
> build, right now? What are the overlaps in relation to the needs we
> see? Which are low hanging fruit in terms of demand on our resources and
> level of impact?
> - ~Decisions.
> - How do we want to work (together) in OMI?
> - Infrastructure, access, space
> - Methodology/process
> - Documentation
> - Actionplanning
> - Short-term timeline.
> - Work groups, workflow.
> - Documentation strategy.
> - Practical in relation to space (set up, paying of electricity bill,
> ...)
> - Etc.
>
>
>
> See some of you tonight!
> :) M
>
> =====
> Ps. Some of my thoughts on exiting things to develop
> * Lots of people are going into small-scale urban agriculture, and some
> even want to scale more (ie. occupy the farm)
> ** Rainwater/Grey water systems to feed into these while solving sewage
> issues would be interesting to work with.
> ** There are to my knowledge no open rototillers (except for OSE's, but its
> a mod for the tractor, so a bigger more complex piece). I think both could
> be interesting too.
>
> * We all use gas for heating our water here in east bay (most of us
> anyway). Totally unnecessary with all the sun in CA! Thermal solar panels
> are easy to build. Hooking up to old/used insulated tanks, and using a
> little pump/making the system passive by placing tank above, is very
> doable. Potentially portable too. There is significant documentation on
> this online already.
>
> * Portable windmills. Documentation online seems to be spread out, but it
> should be possibly to pool together resources and create some kickass
> simply ones and improving documentation.
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> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:06:11 -0700
> From: "corey.scher" <corey.scher@riseup.net>
> To: vallebo@gmail.com, omi@lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: Re: [omi] Conversation Today [Was: Design rant & Wut should
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> Beautiful framework! See yall tonight.
>
> -corey scher
> 510.387-2010
>
> Please excuse the typos from my mobile device.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Morten H. D. Fuglsang" <vallebo@gmail.com>
> Date: 04/25/2013 10:18 AM (GMT-07:00)
> To: omi@lists.sudoroom.org
> Subject: [omi] Conversation Today [Was: Design rant & Wut should we do]
>
> Hi all,
>
> To follow up on these weeks conversations on this list, we are meeting today
> at 7pm @ sudo room. Not everyone is able to be present today, which is fine
> - this is an ongoing conversation, and I am happy to take responsibility
> that everyone is and feels included, and that it is documented and fed
> forward.
>
> Suggested framing for the conversation:
> Quickfire, "Why are you part of OMI?"
> What are the current needs of ourselves, the communities around us, and the
> world, in terms of technology and in relation to basic needs
> (~energy/water/food/housing/exploration & manufacturing)? What open
> technologies do we believe are important to develop (and/or manufacture) to
> help solve these needs? What role do we want OMI as an organization to play
> in this? (~why does OMI exist)
> Which open technologies etc. are each of us inspired to develop and build,
> right now? What are the overlaps in relation to the needs we see??Which are
> low hanging fruit in terms of demand on our resources and level of impact?
> ~Decisions.
> How do we want to work (together) in OMI?
> Infrastructure, access, space
> Methodology/process
> Documentation
> Actionplanning
> Short-term timeline.
> Work groups, workflow.
> Documentation strategy.
> Practical in relation to space (set up, paying of electricity bill, ...)
> Etc.
>
>
> See some of you tonight!
> :) M
>
> =====
> Ps. Some of my thoughts on exiting things to develop
> * Lots of people are going into small-scale urban agriculture, and some even
> want to scale more (ie. occupy the farm)
> ** Rainwater/Grey water systems to feed into these while solving sewage
> issues would be interesting to work with.
> ** There are to my knowledge no open rototillers (except for OSE's, but its
> a mod for the tractor, so a bigger more complex piece). I think both could
> be interesting too.
>
> * We all use gas for heating our water here in east bay (most of us anyway).
> Totally unnecessary with all the sun in CA! Thermal solar panels are easy to
> build. Hooking up to old/used insulated tanks, and using a little
> pump/making the system passive by placing tank above, is very doable.
> Potentially portable too. There is significant documentation on this online
> already.
>
> * Portable windmills. Documentation online seems to be spread out, but it
> should be possibly to pool together resources and create some kickass simply
> ones and improving documentation.
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