I participate in the part of the community called &quot;the mailing list.&quot; <div><br></div><div>I never comment on the threads about sudo room mechanics - I chat on threads about general interest topics - porn, gentrification, now this mysterious line in the gittip email. </div>
<div><br></div>I don&#39;t think the analogy is sound. What rabbit was talking about was &quot;what if the users of task rabbit owned it,&quot; yes, sounds good. <div>Now I know there are lots of people who have signed up for task rabbit, but never got around to using it. They have a log in, they forget what it is. Those people sound &quot;not very invested in the project.&quot; My question is, why would you need their input? They never log onto your site. Or take a less extreme case. Someone who uses the site, even regularly, but is &quot;not very invested in the project.&quot; This person doesn&#39;t actually care what happens to the site, they has some other site they also uses, or they is about to move away so they doesn&#39;t care... Why do you need this person&#39;s input?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I might ask the same of you, Sonja, wrt why sudo&#39;s mailing list would need input from people who don&#39;t really participate in our community?<br><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;sonja.trauss@gmail.com&#39;);" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



Why would you need input<font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> from </span></font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0);font-size:small">people who aren&#39;t very invested in the project?</span><div>



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<div><div><font><span><br></span></font>On Friday, July 25, 2014, Rabbit &lt;<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,&#39;cvml&#39;,&#39;rabbitface@gmail.com&#39;);" target="_blank">rabbitface@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




<div dir="ltr">Hey all!<div><br></div><div>Recently there was a controversy at Gittip which resulted in a project to fork or rebuilding it with better governance structures and more focus on the needs and safety of marginalized users.</div>






<div><br></div><div>They are figuring out how to run a web application in a cooperative democratic way that focuses on the needs of the users, as opposed to a TaskRabbit like model where a central corporation controls or extracts value from their users and makes unilateral decisions.</div>






<div><br></div><div>They&#39;re working on bylaws and legal structures for this, and would appreciate advice or connections to people with advice.  Talk to them in IRC at #atunit, particularly @adrienneleigh, or send me resources to pass along.</div>






<div><br></div><div>This is an exciting frontier for the cooperative movement.  What if TaskRabbit was owned by the rabbits?  Websites have very concentrated power structures compared to the number of users; what are effective ways to get input from so many people who might not all be very invested in the project?  What other models can we draw from -- credit unions?  What lessons can be learned from Wikipedia?  Etc.</div>






<div><br></div><div>This especially matters for this particular use case, recurring donations, because some people will be making their living off of proceeds from the site and it&#39;s important that their voice is heard.</div>






<div><br></div><div>Sudoroom may be one of the largest users of this site when it launches, like we are now with Gittip.</div><div><br></div><div>-Rabbit</div></div>
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