i appreciate this convo, and you all!

from a previous conversation with Almaz, the aversion to linux is simply lack of experience with it. dual-boot starting up into windows sounds like a good compromise if Almaz is alright with it. Tho, it would be great if someone could facilitate an Intro to Linux class for GCEA and the youth they work with, demo'ing standard alternatives to microsoft apps such as LibreOffice. 

(apologies for suggesting without volunteering, but i'm not really able to commit to any other projects atm)

other replies:
* hol - the basement is considerably clearer now thanks to the work party on monday (shoutout to liblens crew for holding it down!). if anyone can come help load up ed and possibly ian's trucks tmrw afternoon for a dump and ewaste run, i believe folx are meeting around noonish :)
* ed - i normally turn the upstairs monitor off before i leave, but sometimes forget and for some reason keep not changing the settings. tx for the reminder!
* the label-maker is currently in the office, in a drawer opposite the window labelled 'labels and labellers' (so meta) and has a full spool of tape, also. i love labels. hear hear, patrikd!

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On Nov 9, 2017 2:31 PM, <hol@gaskill.com> wrote:
Agree with the sentiment as well, and to this last point all I can say is the dual boot proposal encourages more use of the area, those computers, and maybe opens up opportunities for more free classes at the Omni.  I have not seen anyone using them - logging on was my first instinct and I was surprised to see them all locked down.  Ed's proposal seemed completely sensitive to the need to retain 100% effectiveness in Windows OS and just adding a small partition to allow additional use cases.

Going back to the very beginning of Omni space use discussions, there was alot of concern about groups getting exclusive access to and 'balkanizing" (not my words) this library area, in the process turning away a small number of potential member collective proposals for exclusive use of one of the three smaller rooms to themselves, who were willing to make appropriate financial commitments toward Omni solvency as part of the arrangement.

That said, there has been a proliferation of materials and equipment accumulating in the main basement common areas without any visible evidence of stewardship. It would be unfair to single out GCEA specifically because they have actually brought valuable and useful equipment, that people want to use, while other areas sit silently obstructed by stashes of material have not been scrutinized in the same way.

If we're not going to hold every common space steward to the same standard of maximizing usability for all, why hold GCEA to this higher standard?


On 2017-11-09 10:02, Yardena Cohen wrote:
I'm searching my email for "basement computers" and "basement GCEA"
and I see a few different threads going back to this summer, all of
them involving people being confused and asking questions and
complaining that they have Windows. But I'm not able to find any
record of the delegates or the commons working group actually talking
about designating that space for GCEA. Can anybody point me to meeting
notes about this?

Personally, I think if GCEA has a legitimate need for these computers
in order to do their work, we should accommodate and help them make it
"official", whatever that looks like. Maybe they should be
acknowledged as stewards of a commons in the basement just like
Sudoers are stewards of a commons in our (relatively large) space.

At this point, anytime I see a new group enthusiastic about using
Omni, my instinct is to encourage and welcome them rather than hit
them with a bunch of rules. I get sad seeing the building empty and
would like to have more people around.
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