The problem is that without any clear guidelines as to what constitutes "clean" any one individuals including the land lords complaints about cleanliness are not really relevant.

On this point, I'm sure that leaving trash out is probably written in plain English in our rental agreement, and George has a very good reason to complain, when we make these kind of messes.  Also, the people who left the mess saw it, swept it into a neat pile, and then forgot to vacuum it, and left the vacuum out.

Pretty much the last paragraph I agree with you on each point, but I still think we should close the space, if it's late at night and people are trying to clean.  Simpler that way,and eliminates ambiguity. 

Oh, and I still think a cleaning deposit is a good idea, in case the point person gets screwed over on help to clean up, or someone makes a mess that isn't easy to clean up and requires a carpet cleaner or something.

-Rusty



On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Andrew <andrew@roshambomedia.com> wrote:


The problem is that I  thought that the cigarette smoke and the pile of crap next to the shop-vac appeared not to be from sudo, along with the furniture being all whacky, but even that I couldn't prove because people were coming in and out of our space into the common room.   So, nobody cleans up, and nobody is accountable. 


The problem is that without any clear guidelines as to what constitutes "clean" any one individuals including the land lords complaints about cleanliness are not really relevant.

Personally I think that we should ask people not to smoke in front of the building and that we get a working vacuum cleaner. In addition that we require events to vacuum the rug and have someone be the point person who inspects before the event organizers leave to make sure it (and anything else on the cleaning requirements list) was done.

no need to force everyone to leave at once so that we have someone to blame..




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Rusty Lindgren