Also, there's a really obvious answer to this fear of cliques.

Show up to meetings.

All members have blocking power. Yay consensus.

If you're unhappy with a proposal that was passed, make a counter-proposal. Nothing is set in stone. sudo's policies can change very quickly. We're not waterfall; we're agile. It's better to deploy our changes regularly, knowing we can further build on these features than make sure they're perfect when the race starts.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Ryan <yandoryn@gmail.com> wrote:
Quorum takes 10 people. I really don't consider that a small group.

I personally think that voting creates a tyranny of the majority which inherently oppresses minority groups. In a democracy, minorities have to hope for the benevolence of the majority to deign to stoop down low enough to recognize them as people.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be wary, sudo, of how few people it already takes to have quorum, and if that changes...
A small clique of friends can be at a meeting, and make decisions for all of sudo. 
It's a broken system. 

Our leaders can either say 
"there's the power, don't give it to anyone, let's split it consciously"
 or
 "where's the power? i don't see it" 
the latter is falsity in my opinion, it deters you from taking any
the former is truth. 


I think 1-vote-per-member; remotely solicited when live-vote isn't possible, is a much sounder way of representing the opinions and needs of many people. 

to my eyes, consensus seems to be closer to high school social dynamics than a step in political evolution. i'm definitely disillusioned about consensus after seeing this project. 




On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 3:30 PM, danarauz@gmail.com <danarauz@gmail.com> wrote:
:) 


On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Marc Juul <juul@labitat.dk> wrote:


On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rachel Wolfsohn <rawjnana@gmail.com> wrote:

My question is whose idea was this in the first place?


It was this guy:
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