You're the best! Thanks for handling this and let's try to find another point person to communicate w/John while Mary's away so it doesn't just fall back on you.



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 4:45 PM, David Keenan <> wrote:
Yes, we can say 9pm - there is a loud noises cut-off time ordinance with the city and with john which is 10pm - as long as we get it in the truck before then, I think we're cool. 

A smaller version of this problem happened at 2141 and if it stays overnight, people go through it and spread garbage around but also just start dumping all their crap on it too which makes it more expensive and hectic for us.. thats what happened before, I managed that issue at 2141, I know how it can get worse, so I'm trying to head it off as it were


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 4:42 PM, David Keenan <> wrote:
Hey all - 

The OOC meeting is WAY more important than moving garbage around - no one should feel like they have to leave the OOC meeting to help - and I'm so sorry if I gave that impression! Given the late-breaking aspect of this (ie its remediation in the next few hours) I just wanted to make sure it came up at the meeting as a partial cost to us and that it be approved, and mostly wanted to ask for help from the community to load up with truck today. Since it was one email of many to the list, I wanted to make sure people noticed (ergo the all-caps subject line) since due to list volume, a lot of emails to the list can take a while to be read (I know it is that way for me).. 

So sorry if I came off as overly imperative or that anyone should leave this OOC meeting or any collective meeting to help - this OOC meeting is in particular hugely important. I just know there may be folks from collectives and on the list who were perhaps not planning on attending the OOC meeting, but could still be on-hand to assist with this - it shouldn't take too too long.

Normally, Mary would be coordinating this I think but she is away for a bit so I am trying to fill in - and we have gotten complaints from neighbors, citations have been mentioned etc and I just wanna take care o business so to speak and get this settled quickly before it gets more expensive or neighbors get grouchy. That was my only thought. Love! 

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 4:02 PM, niki <> wrote:
I just want to say that I think the conversation that is going to happen about violence in our communities needs to take precedence over everyone leaving the meeting half-way through to load up the truck. I worry that it will be seen as a real lack of care if this happens.

Is there any way we can do this at 9pm rather than 8pm? 


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 3:54 PM, David Keenan <> wrote:
Can anyone at Omni block off the loading zone and the space behind it for the truck that's coming to remove the debris situation outside Omni on 48th?

Can I also get all available hands to help load the truck up from at least 8pm on tonight? I know the OOC meeting will probably run late, but we need some bodies to help load up that truck. If we do not load up the truck, we risk getting cited for obstruction and that could be several hundred dollars at this point considering the amount of stuffs. 

I've arranged with J.C. & Ricky to bring their box truck to Omni in a couple hours so we can do a dump run. They will have to be remunerated. I don't know what it will be but it should be under $600 total. John had scheduled with Waste Management for bulky pickup (which was also going to be expensive due to the amount and type of stuff) but they flaked for 2 days, then said they can't take ceiling tiles, or broken-up furniture, or actually pretty much anything we have out there, so it will have to be hauled. Other options like a dumpster was explored but this was really expensive and we would not get it for days (at least $750 + cost of parking obstruction permit from city = over ~$1000). I don't anticipate the cost of hauling exceeding $600 but this will have to be assessed by Ricky, JC et al with the truck.  

Note the cost of disposal will mostly be on john but partly on OOC. That's because John doesn't think he should have to pay for e.g. the disposal of the ceiling tiles from the bookstore-cafe (that collective should pay for that), or actually, the extra 3 big wardrobes removed from CCL/Sudo room, or of our garbage that we did not put out on Tuesday, etc. The exact portion we are responsible for needs to be negotiated a bit with John (I don't think this will not be a big deal), but re: the wardrobes for example, as John expressed, since Sudo took 3 of them and we are keeping one in the ballroom (4 total), we are also responsible for the other 3 we don't need - it was a take them all or take none sort of deal (yar can perhaps speak better to this). So who is responsible for what on our side will need to be sorted out, I figure our responsibility is about 30%. We had probably 7-8 bags of garbage and many, many bags of ceiling tiles, the wardrobes were big and heavy, etc. 


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