I am not so much about video based security as I am wanting to see more "lockup" space for members.  Sudo has added these nice larger (some of them lockable if members bring a lock) containers in their space.  I like this. They are larger and able to store a more reasonable sized space for "hackers".  I know this is one a lot of other peoples radar as well, I just wanted to say that I care about it and have my eye out for more of these kinds of stackable secure storage solutions.

-Cere

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd@gmail.com> wrote:

(psst - don't tell yar, but I think you hit Reply All ;-)

As far as social pressure goes - I want to make it clear that I am not specifically advocating in favor of video surveillance. I just wanted to better understand what the landscape of attitudes around this topic at the Omni looks like, since I remembered this topic coming up at Sudo in the past as well.

Yar - is your objection specifically with video? Or would you have similar objections if we had a motion sensor or RFID system that allowed tracking people throughout the different rooms in the building? In this case, there'd be no images that could be used for surveillance outside the Omni, and it would be impossible to tell what people are doing in the different rooms, but there would still be information on attendance and association patterns that could theoretically be abused by a 3rd party.

Patrik

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Stan Osborne <stan@ana.com> wrote:

Patrick,

This messages is between you and myself, for the moment.

I say we have all the resources at OMNI for building industrial security
capable of earning Yar's trust.

The following is cut from a friend and collaborator's CV.

   5.10 Seguridad de la Información:
        RENIEC – Seminario Internacional;  Seguridad de la Información
        Expositor : Msc. Stan Osborne
        Swissotel, San Isidro, Lima, PERU
        Enero 24, 25 y 26 2001

I try hard to avoid bragging, until it might be useful.  RENIEC is an
acronym for a government agency in Peru.   Any adult Peruvian with a
National ID card knows what it stands for.

Let's start collecting requirements for OMNI internal secure storage,
both physical and digital.

By all means, it is to early to trust claims contained here-i.

Today I'm short on time, but will have more time Sunday evening and hope
to stop by then.

Stan

On Sat, December 6, 2014 2:57 pm, yar wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Back at the old sudo location, there were a few muggings right outside
>> the
>> door. I remember there was some discussion at that time about under what
>> conditions a security camera might be acceptable. E.g. using strong
>> encryption, auto-erasing after some expiration date, and requiring
>> multiple
>> keys to unlock the recordings.
>>
>> Would those kinds of safeguards satisfy your concerns around video
>> surveillance?
>
> It would take some work to get me to trust a scheme like this... and
> it would create social pressure to accept whatever results...
>
>> Did Sudo ever wind up installing a security camera at the
>> front door in the old location?
>
> The landlord had a video surveillance system, so it was moot.
>
>> PS: are there any particular security needs that La Commune needs help
>> with
>> ASAP?
>
> Yes, securing their books after-hours.
>

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