Hi, Jake's proposal for membership structure sounds really good to me so far! I would agree with his observation that even consensus-minus-1 can be problematic, so a modified consensus process is the way to go.

I think it would be a very good idea for sudo room to form a non-profit public-benefit corporation (or 501(c)3 publicly-supported charitable organization in federal tax code) for reasons of financial sustainability and encouraging donations!

Two things to note: 1) California corporations code does not have really detailed or onerous requirements for membership structure, aside from 15 day notice of termination of membership, which seems quite reasonable. 2) State law allows a non-profit org to call things "members" which are not legal "members" under the state corporations code. For example there would be nothing wrong with sudoroom creating a "membership" in the hacker space which is different from the "membership" described in its corporate bylaws. See http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/CORP/1/1/d2/2/3/3/s5332   Sudo room should have a clearly-defined and agreed-upon membership structure, but we should also be clear that corporate bylaws are not the only place to do that :)

--mark B.


On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:
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sudo room is not a 501c3 non-profit organization.


On Sat, 14 Sep 2013, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:

By the way, the California code for non-profit organizations with members has some very specific language
that needs to be in the bylaws (or sent annually to all the members) on the procedure to be followed for
expelling a member "in a fair and reasonable manner". One of the few cases where there is actually a
legal requirement for how a nonprofit should run its business:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/CORP/1/1/d2/2/3/4/s5341

The procedure is fairly involved and it can take weeks before someone you want out has been officially
terminated. So you may want to make sure that you can also bar someone access to the space while their
case is being reviewed.

Patrik


On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:
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I hope that others will step up to answer these questions as to what they believe would be right
for sudoroom.  My personal answer is:

the membership decides.  Whether we decide things based on consensus (problematic because it
doesn't define whether consensus is required to do something or to prevent it), or some form of
voting, is a larger discussion where we need to brainstorm the advantages and disadvantages of the
different styles.  For example, if we do voting, will we try to do ranked choice?  Should we have
different voting percentages for different issues?  What happens when the group is cleanly split
along a percentage line, is there a tiebreaker?

I agree that there are a lot of decisions to be made, sort of like trying to compile your own
kernel, and being asked a million questions.  But at the same time, even copying a popular bylaws
structure from a template or existing organization would be a great improvement from what we have
right now.  I claim that what sudoroom has right now is a moment of good weather and luck, and an
opportunity to create a structure that will last a long time.

- -jake

On Sat, 14 Sep 2013, Eddan Katz wrote:

      Jake. Thanks. As always, this is really helpful. I was hoping though if you could
      elaborate on (1) who decides; (2) in what circumstance; (3) by which process. I think
      that too often people ignore the (1) who decides - part of the equation; and in regards
      to diversity, inclusion, and openness - I think it's a key factor.

      Janelle Orsi of SELC used the phrase "The Tyranny of Structurelessness" in her workshop
      the other day. This notion strikes an important chord to think about as we continue to
      evolve.


      sent from eddan.com

      On Sep 14, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:

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            i confess i have no idea how to properly edit the membership wiki to add my
            ideas.

            So i will just type them here, and maybe someone can help me put them into
            the wiki properly.

            Sudo room/membership
            Do we have it?

            I think sudoroom does not currently have a membership structure in place.
            We are currently existing in a (most of the time) benevolent anarchy,
            resulting from equal parts luck, hard work by caring people, and security
            by obscurity.

            I think we SHOULD have membership, which is clearly defined and binary
            (either you are a member in good standing, or a nonmember for whatever
            reason).  There should be a list of members which can be publicly accessed,
            with enough information about each member that they can be identified by
            any member (a description or picture provided by the member themselves)
            since we don't all "know" each other.

            I think membership should be something that is in exchange for ONGOING
            contribution to the community, as defined (continually) by the membership,
            on a person by person basis.  For example, $10 per month might be accepted
            by one person as sufficient, but another person might be required to pay
            $40 per month.  Or the group can decide that a persons offer to "clear and
            sweep the floor once a week" is sufficient.

            Also the community should be able to refuse someone's membership, even if
            they are a current member who has been making their required contribution.
            Also the community should be able to change the requirement from a person
            based on information from them or anyone, to a higher or lower or different
            requirement.  The community should be able to declare that a person has not
            fulfilled their requirement and is, until they return to that requirement,
            temporarily not a member.

            Does it [membership] confer special privelages?

            I think that membership should confer special privelages including access
            to the space even if it is closed, for any community-approved uses.  A
            member can be there when no one else is there if they want to be.  Also
            while anyone can participate in discussions at meetings, only members can
            vote (or block consensus items).

            I think a member should be able to "sponsor" a nonmember (or multiple of
            them) WHILE they are present in the space.  This way nonmembers can use the
            space any time a member who supports them is present, which should be easy
            for nonmembers who use the space properly in a cooperative way.  And for
            all nonmembers wanting to use the space, their sponsor can help them use
            the space properly.

            I think that nonmembers should be nominally granted up to 24 added-up hours
            of access to the space without a specific sponsor.  This part is subtle and
            I urge people to think about the total effect of this "pseudo policy"
            before objecting.  If a nonmember behaves badly before they have used up 24
            hours they can be asked to leave by a member, of course.  And if a
            nonmember behaves well it is likely that no one will even point out when
            their "24 hours" appears to have expired.

            are there expectations of members, do they have responsibilities?

            I think that all members should promise not to leave the space open without
            a member present.  This means that when an awesome nonmember is working on
            a project and you're the last member and you want to leave, you have to
            decide between staying to help them or asking them to return when the space
            is open.  It is also a good time to remind them that by contributing in a
            community-approved way, they can have 24-7 access.

            One reason for members making this promise to each other is because members
            have accountability to one another, and were approved at a meeting, and can
            be contacted with questions by other members, and can be trusted.  However
            that trust does not extend to strangers and we must respect the process of
            meetings and accountability when we are not present to act as an advocate
            or translator for a nonmember we want to support.

            Some practical reasons for not allowing nonmembers in the space alone
            include security of property and materials, projects and tools.  But also,
            the organization of the space and functionality of it is tied to human
            effort to make it a usable space.  People who are members are contributors
            to the space in one way or another, and they contribute toward the
            usability of the space.  It isn't fair to our fellow contributors to allow
            others to use and take from that space when we ourselves are not willing to
            supervise our own guests' use of the space.

            How do you become a member?

            People who want to become a member of the space must meet members of the
            space and learn about membership and the space.  They need to announce to
            the membership, through the discuss list, that they want to become a member
            and answer responses to their post so that members who might come to a
            meeting will be satisfied with their reasons for wanting to join. Also, use
            of the mailinglist demonstrates a basic ability to communicate and be
            accountable to other members in case they are accepted.

            After making their desires known, they will come to meetings to get to know
            people, and announce that they would like to become a member.  They can
            discuss with the group what kind of contribution they feel comfortable
            making, based on their income or free time levels, and in the case of
            nonmonetary contributions, how they propose their contributions be tracked
            (could be an email declaring that they cleaned the space at 3PM today and
            saw certain members there who saw it happen)

            I think that we should not do like noisebridge and expect a secret
            discussion, or expect a specific timeline for consideration of membership.
            If a person makes their bid for membership on the list and shows up to the
            nearest meeting after that, they should not expect to achieve membership
            for at least another week while the possiblity for objections is there. At
            their first meeting the announcement having been made, one week should be
            sufficient time for the membership to bring out any uncertainties.

            If a person is a member of the space, they should not have any less
            accountability to the space than a nonmember (on the contrary).  This means
            that a member can be discussed at a meeting for questionable behavior and
            if necessary, have their membership revoked by the group. Consensus Minus
            One would be nice for this purpose but is too limiting in practice, because
            we hackers tend to be contrary and side with the underdog to a fault.  If a
            large portion of the membership agrees that a person is not a good fit for
            the space, the minority should not ask them to put aside their discomfort
            without convincing them of the reasons in dialogue.

            Why is this necessary?

            As I said in the beginning, i feel that sudoroom is riding on a streak of
            luck and hard work at the moment, and that we can't expect this to continue
            in the face of entropy.  We already have and will continue to see abuse of
            the space by people who have no feelings of accountability, and our members
            have no recourse or policy to address anything like that.  I know from
            experience what results from this, and it is sad.  The failure of Sudoroom
            would not be a sufficiently educational experience to justify allowing it
            to happen, when the lessons we would learn have been offered so many times
            in other places.

            We talk about the challenge of diversity in a hackerspace like ours.  One
            thing we don't seek is diversity of people who are good and bad for what
            we're trying to do.  We do not invite drug dealers to sudoroom to sell meth
            to people from the street outside, even though it would please them greatly
            if they could use our space.  We don't invite meth addicts to browse our
            hacking materials shelves to find copper and aluminum to recycle so they
            can buy more drugs.

            We also should not invite people to the space who are unwilling to behave
            in a way that is respectful to the members and guests whose interests we
            share, and want to share.  That means that, despite our aversion to
            exclusion, we need to choose between excluding some or excluding others.

            For example, if we refuse abusive or disrespectful behavior and those who
            insist on it, we create an accessible space for people who avoid that
            behavior.  If we maintain an atmosphere of cooperation and care for each
            other and the hardware that is our space, we invite people from all
            backgrounds who seek to do the same things.  On the other hand, if we
            refuse this responsibility, we allow the tone to be set by those with the
            loudest voice, and the least to lose, and the quiet and self-respecting
            people will go elsewhere.

            I ask that we look to the future to envision the challenges we can expect
            as we continue to grow and do more awesome things, and think about what we
            hope to achieve.  That is why we need to protect ourselves, each other, and
            our hackerspace, from complacency and entropy as best we can.

            well, I feel that i have said more than enough about it for now, but if
            anyone has opinions on this i look forward to continuing the discussion.

            - -jake
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