---> "a ripped and empty envelope which you of course, left behind."

OK! We're finally getting somewhere. Your misunderstanding seems to be the fact you thought I left. You seem to still be under the impression that I had left. My laptop was on and still sitting there along with my coffee and tobacco, I hadn't left for the night - I just had left the room for a while. You seem to have left a note written to someone who had left all their paraphernalia on the table ('left behind' as you said). For me, returning to the place I've been sitting all day before taking a break and stepping away for an hour or so, and find the note "STEVE: CLEAN UP THIS TABLE", assuming that you know that I'm still sitting there and that the presence of my laptop, caffeine, and nicotine supply clearly show that I've not departed, it is naturally both confusing and perceived as intentionally rude.

If it was your impression that you were writing a note to some jerk that "left behind" all their stuff, then perhaps your note was reasonable - however that was not a situation that existed or would reasonably exist. And yes, I have also scrubbed both the table in question and the one it is paired with many times and have scrubbed the big table assembly many times - no clue how many, it never seemed like a notable event. I've also swept the space countless times - usually late enough at night that all reasonable normal people are gone and I don't disturb others with the resulting dust clouds. What I'm not comfortable doing is throwing things out that I'm not dead sure no one needs, and so I was quite happy that you had cleared off the table and done the scrap/non-scrap sorting - my usual method for maintaing those tables involves shifting the accumulated crap entirely to one, scrubbing the other, swapping and scrubbing again, and then organizing the stuff that doesn't have a logical space that still seems like it might be out for a reason. That was temporarily not an option while the second table was filled with SMT goodies, and I haven't cleaned them in at least a couple weeks at this point.

Meanwhile: As soon as you posted your complaint yesterday, I find my keycard no longer functions and can only assume that you took unilateral action and turned it off. If I am wrong about this, please let me know and if I am wrong and this is just a random coincidence then I apologize for "still being shitty", in your words.

So again, if all of this is based on your having had a perception that I had "left behind" all of my stuff, that I had left for the day, then you were simply mistaken and I would absolutely agree that if someone were to do such then that would be an arseholish and unacceptable thing to do. Fortunately we do not have a problem with anyone doing anything like that.

And I was glad to see the stuff cleared, without having to do it myself and to worry that I was screwing someone over by throwing out or misplacing something important - I'd still help try to find anything if someone showed up panicked because something important was gone that they "know they left on that table", but I wouldn't have to feel guilty at having inflicted their problem. With one table instead of two trying to contain the stochastic drift of parts, it was very much getting absurd and I was looking forward to seeing the SMT boxes sorted and gone so that I could do another scrub and reset of both. In fact both Sierk and I tend to tidy up at least the big table and major floor scraps when we head out at night whenever we call it a day at a reasonable hour with functional energy left. Why? Because we're usually the last ones out and so we're the ones that should try to minimize the morning mess if possible. It's just what is reasonable and necessary to do in a shared space.

So: If your note was left out of confusion because you thought I had "left behind" all of my things for the night, then I apologize for reading undo hostility into it. And if you did not unilaterally disable my keycard and it is just a coincidence, then I apologize for assuming you did so -- always good to check one's assumptions, you know.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:

First of all I want to say that the main problem here is not the fact that you
leave messes in sudoroom. The problem is that you're treating sudoroom as your
living room and going feral on anyone who intrudes into "your" space. This is
not surprising considering you're literally living right outside the door to
Omni.

I wrote a polite note asking you to clean the table you had made so disgusting,
the same table you attacked Robert about yesterday, screaming that he had moved
"your" table, and your response was basically a Fuck You. So I cleaned the
table and you're still being shitty about it.

I'm going to ask at this Tuesday meeting that you take some time off from
sudoroom and the Omni, because you're not taking any opportunities to cooperate
with this community and you're causing harm. It's not OK.

we had to ask Chris to stop coming to sudoroom/omni because he was treating it
as his home, and we liked Chris, and he tried to work things out as best he
can. You're just throwing shit at everyone.

-jake
PS the note I left said "PLEASE" and "THANK YOU", and your response was
"DO NOT WrITE ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY JAKE." and was written on the same
"property", a ripped and empty envelope which you of course, left behind.

On Sat, 10 Mar 2018, Steve Leach wrote:

And yes, regarding your "disappointing interaction" - that began when you
made one of two bad assumptions. Your note appears to have been prompted by
your either thinking the piles of junk filling the table were all or even
largely mine, if your complaint was the junk, or you had thought that I had
departed for the day when I was in fact still in the building and were
bothered by my unattended laptop, tobacco, coffee cup, papers and general
paraphernalia. The next day when you encountered the same table without me
or my possessions, you still seem to have been operating under the
impression that the piles of junk to include a car battery, multiple laptop
chargers, and all sorts of other whatnot were things I had piled there.
Now, perhaps this is understandable since you aren't here most days and
don't know what people's routines and norms are that are here. You didn't
understand that I tend to find the least loved spot - a place where I won't
feel like I'm in anyone's way to sit and that those spots also tend to be
the paces where crap in general gets piled. I'm careful not to disturb
things that I don't know for sure are garbage and that someone doesn't
need, so I just push a clear spot out to be able to place my laptop in. You
then posted to the mailing list about the junk on the table and your heroic
cleaning of it - but perhaps didn't notice my response re stuff being
thrown out, I said that yea I agree stuff shouldn't be stored on the tables
and as far as things being thrown out that was why I'm especially careful
not to leave anything of mine there on Tuesdays because the hardware
hacking tends to need the space and have more purges and re-arrangements -
and that I certainly had no problem with anything being pitched because
none of it was mine, I wasn't in the room that night and I didn't leave
anything unattended in the room to wind up pitched. So yes, the whole
interaction regarding the table was, as you say 'disappointing'. Had you
just asked me: "Dude, wtf - is all of this junk yours?" I would have said
"No, I don't even know what most of it is. It's the contents of both tables
pushed over on this one 'cause those boxes came in." I assume you would
have then said. "Oh." and we would have had no problem. Instead you left a
note that said "STEVE: CLEAN UP THIS TABLE!" written in colored marker on
the envelope sitting next to my laptop which you mistook for garbage. I
pondered whether you were complaining about my tobacco, notes, laptop, etc.
because I had been out of the room for an extended time and you thought I
was just really stupid/brave and had left for the night without securing my
laptop, or if you thought I was using all of the crap on the table (and
what kind of project someone would be doing to involve all of it?), so I
parodied your note and returned it: "Jake: Don't Leave Rude Notes." It was
fascinating that you describe your note specifically as "polite" and my
response as "rude" given that I had intentionally mirrored yours. I figured
that the absence of me and my stuff the following day, a Tuesday (when I
tend to clear out since things tend to get a little loud and chaotic and I
need to be elsewhere if I want to think) would clear up whatever
misconceptions you were operating under and was quite surprised to see your
post to the group complaining about 'my' junk. I pointed that out in the
reply that you appear not to have read. You would have the "Oh" moment when
you would realized that the table without me and my possessions was pretty
much as full as it was with, and that was why your note was returned. You
did bring up the legitimate complaint in your message about tobacco crumbs,
which again noted, I'm now rolling on a sheet of paper and asking others to
do the same. I responded to your list message agreeing that stuff shouldn't
be stored on the table - especially on Tuesdays - and that was why I am
sure not to do so. And so yes, I find it quite 'disappointing' and
surprising that your latest message includes the words " he rejected my
request to clean up the table he had been treating like his living room".
At this point, I can't view this as reasonable behavior by someone
operating on unchecked assumptions, but intentional harassment.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Jake <jake@spaz.org> wrote:

I am not there but I hear from Rayc that Steve Leach is causing problems by
verbally attacking Rayc for moving a table in sudoroom.

Steve is calling it "his" table. And wouldn't stop yelling at Rayc even
when
Max from Phat Beets asked him to stop interrupting their meeting (Rayc had
taken the table to the 48th street doors sidewalk area)

I had a disappointing interaction with Steve earlier this week when he
rejected
my request to clean up the table he had been treating like his living
room, but
I didn't realize that he also has a history of blowing up on people and
disrupting meetings, and now verbally attacking my friend.

I would like to ask Steve to take some time away from Omni and Sudoroom
and/or
engage in mediation with me, and probably also with Rayc who has been
attacked
in the past and doesn't deserve to be stressed out like this at Omni.

-jake
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