Just speaking personally, from the perspective of some one newly educated on how easy it is for the "Neighborhood" (developers, business development folks, city of oakland) to make life hard for us to continue (see 350% tax increase just served us by the "Business Improvement District"), I suggest we take the feelings of our neighbors (the people that live next to us) very seriously.
I'd like our neighbors to be on our side and love that we are there. If that means fewer chairs, or just being anal about straightening the chairs all the time, that seems fair. I think erring on the side of being too considerate to our neighbors is a good idea...

I do like the folding bench idea!!

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Marc Juul <juul@labitat.dk> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:42 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44@gmail.com> wrote:
Yea, yar - I'm not saying we have to do it, but honestly I've never seen even the bench and metal chairs full (seating about six).. do you think we need seating for 12?

I'm thinking, maybe why don't we see if we're ever running out of seating, then return to the idea of adding more chairs, ie if that is needed.

I think the more chairs we add, the more likely we are to get a complaint is all. And If we don't need em, I figure why put that risk out there.

I propose doubling the number of chairs every day until we get a complaint, then backing back down to the previous number.

On Friday, December 12, 2014, Torrie Fischer <tdfischer@hackerbots.net> wrote:
Maybe install a large folding bench onto the side of the building, like some
restaurants have.

On Friday, December 12, 2014 02:01:24 PM yar wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM, David Keenan <dkeenan44@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Great strides have been made visavis debris and garbage ending up outside,
> > and that is great. However, the newly-longer line of chairs chained up
> > outside the building, while useful of course, frankly is starting to look
> > too janky and an eyesore at this point.
> >
> > In order to improve somewhat the outside appearance of our building and
> > the
> > perception of neighbors, I would like to cut down on the number of outside
> > chairs. Basically, I think we should remove all but the bench and the
> > bare-metal chairs. IE, I think all the new white chairs should be removed.
> > It's just too much.
> >
> > In addition, by the way, technically we do not have permission from the
> > city to put any seating outside. I've looked at our property line and its
> > not clear actually that it extends a few feet from the building. Even if
> > it did, there is an easement with the city's sidewalk that means they
> > have control over it.
> >
> > I appreciate the doocratic effort to provide more outside seating, but can
> > we please remove these extra white chairs? Its overkill imo.
>
> Ok so where are people supposed to sit then? Would they prefer we
> sit/lie on the sidewalk instead?
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