they might say in their offering memo:
http://peoplesmarket.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/PCM-Offering-v8.pdf
Feb 4, 2014 12:38:51 PM, jwentwistle@cryptolab.net wrote:
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>If it were a loan with a portion of the profits going to the investors
>(initial amount plus interest), which will eventually become a worker
>cooperative, then that's an amazing idea. We need more people to
>finance worker cooperatives, but I didn't see any evidence of that on
>their website. I have nothing against investors or investment other
>than they usually own the means of production after the initial
>investment. I want workers to own the means of production after the
>investment has been returned to the investor.
>
>On 02/04/2014 11:19 AM, Hol Gaskill wrote:
>> Looks like they give investors a 3% return, which is considerably
>> lower than what would be sought by venture capitalist crowd. I am
>> a huge supporter of cooperatives and worker ownership but there has
>> to be room for financial engagement with the broader community who
>> have other trades. Alot of cooperatives have to secure loans (from
>> chase bank et al in many cases!) in the form of mortgages or to
>> provide working capital. I think if in reshaping the economic
>> landscape we have to wait for people who are going to be doing the
>> entry level manual tasks to throw down their share of the working
>> capital, we will die waiting. I don't really know much about this
>> organization in detail, just had been looking over their site and
>> wanted to put in my 0.02
>>
>> I also recognize a few of these evil capitalists
>> http://peoplescommunitymarket.com/testimonials/
>>
>> Anybody have info on what they pay their workers?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> Feb 4, 2014 11:04:22 AM, jwentwistle@cryptolab.net wrote:
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>>> I support everybody who provides food to Oakland, as we
>>> definitely don't have enough grocery stores in the area, but
>>> these stores shouldn't be referred to as being the same thing.
>>>
>>> While it's called the People's Community Market, it is not owned
>>> by the people, it's owned by a corporation. It's capitalistic and
>>> profits that are made by the corporation will go to the owners of
>>> it, not the people working there. The worker's wages will always
>>> be seen as a cost to the owners and the profits created by the
>>> workers will be stolen from them. Meanwhile, the workers at the
>>> Mandela Food Cooperative are the owners and the profits made by
>>> the workers will go to them.
>>>
>>> I understand that we need more grocery stores with fresh produce
>>> in the area, but I don't see that as an excuse to exploit the
>>> workers.
>>>
>>> Take care, Jeremy
>>>
>>> On 02/04/2014 06:26 AM, Marina Kukso wrote:
>>>> you might want to just talk to them to learn more about the
>>>> other activities they do and ways that you can contribute. that
>>>> might be the best way to learn about ways to contribute that
>>>> might be useful to them.
>>>>
>>>> also, have you heard of the people's community market?
>>>> http://peoplescommunitymarket.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Romy Snowyla romy@snowyla.com
>>>> mailto:romy@snowyla.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.american.coop/content/video-mandela-foods-cooperative-and-west-oakland-youth-standing-empowered-program
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>I was at west Oakland Bart and shopped at a worker run and owned
>>>> cooperative Mandela foods.
>>>>
>>>> It's amazing ! I enjoyed the mass effect night of collectives
>>>> at sudoroom.
>>>>
>>>> What are ways sudoroom and or I can help support Mandela foods
>>>> besides shopping there?
>>>>
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