all non-members are required to be guests of key-holding members when they are in the space outside of scheduled events
is simply not being enforced by anyone, if it was, i doubt we would not be having this discussion.

11pm or 12am seemed like a good idea until i realized it implies non-members are allowed in the space w/o being sponsored by a member anytime before then

unfortunately this is primarily a sudoroom problem as we are usually the last ones to leave

furthermore, jackson sits by the front door all day and lets anyone who rings in without even speaking to them when he isn't leaving the door open. max from fat beats lets him in yet i've never seen him ask jackson to leave when he does

it seems to me that by making exceptions to our rules for certain individuals the exceptions become the rule for all. i am concerned that fewer people will want to become responsible members of our collectives if we maintain the current all access policy which clearly subverts the collectively agreed upon policy. interestingly, phat beats has, to my knowledge, never attended a delegates meeting & may not have much buy in to the policy, in general.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 9:40 AM, niki <niki.shelley@gmail.com> wrote:
his means that if you, as a key-holding member leave the space *at any time* and there are no other key-holding members willing to vouch for non-key holding members that may be present at the time, everyone must leave.
Exactly. The problem with that policy is that by definition, there may only be a single member left, who then may need to kick out multiple non-members, some of whom may be inebriated, asleep, or more physically imposing than the remaining members.

I think the security sweep should be made well before that time, to take the burden off the poor sap who happens to be the last one to leave...

I think that kicking out non-members at 11pm or midnight is reasonable. Unless they are explicitly vouched for by a member present, like if there is still someone working on a project from hardware hack night in Sudo past midnight. But then it becomes *that* member's responsibility to escort the non-member out later.

Patrik