I respect that Matt! It's always best to solve problems without money.

I think it would be wonderfully ironic if people were hacking in python and not getting paid, which fetches far more on the market of an hourly wage than cleaning does. 

- We are all wonderful, lovable people. But we are better at starting projects, writing, cooking food, buying beer, and so on than picking up after ourselves. I just don't think it's terribly realistic to think that a hackerspace will have people who rock at cleaning. 

- Maybe tonight can prove me wrong! =D 

In an ideal world, people who clean would get an honorable wage. It is dirty work, it's rough. 


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:08 AM, mattsenate@gmail.com <mattsenate@gmail.com> wrote:
Cleaning is life. But even if each of us tried our best to clean up after ourselves, there will be aggregated filth, incrementally built, plus the cost of natural shuffling, displacement--such is the burden of use and optimization! I think we should:

Communicate more clearly the necessary standards for common space.

Provide all event holders with a checklist for set up and break down

Clean up after ourselves and each other collaboratively

Recognize that some additional amount of cleaning is required and therefore create good systems for cleaning natural, aggregate mess.*

* my personal politics hope we can do this specific type of work without direct financial incentive.

// Matt


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From: "Gregg Horton" <greggahorton@gmail.com>
To: "Romy Ilano" <romy@snowyla.com>
Cc: "sudo-discuss" <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] should we hire someone to clean up after events?
Date: Sun, May 5, 2013 9:48 AM


I think we should hire a fellow sudoer and use the cash as incentive. Whoever wishes to do it that month can. 

Or people can learn how to pick up after themselves. 


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Romy Ilano <romy@snowyla.com> wrote:
SudoRoom is a hackerspace. Our skillset is not cleaning, especially cleaning the big main room.

- Should we put aside $30-60 every time a group holds an event in our space so that we can pay someone to clean up the common room?
- Should we pay someone $30-60 once  month to clean the common room for us?

I brought this up because we are realistically not going to get a lot of members to clean the space. we are hackers. it is not our skillset. There is not going to be a magical day when a hackerspace finds that all of its members find cleaning to be a pleasurable act.

We are good at starting projects, drinking beer, looking for new spaces, but we are definitely not great at cleaning.

Our landlord G is also receptive to the idea of us hiring someone to clean up the common room after big events. 

I personally suck at cleaning, I'm into doing it, but I would rather spend my time hacking and working on projects. I spent a bit of time cleaning up the space Saturday morning, wiping down the tables int he main room and vacuuming to prepare the space for the today I learned.



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