+1 on getting a keg if you'll be making (and carbonating) a couple gallons at a time! And yes, a keg would definitely come in handy for beermaking as well.

For Mate, consider using Stevia or xylitol as diabetes and tooth-friendly alternatives. That will also cut down on the risk of exploding bottles due to spontaneous fermentation...

Patrik


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol@gaskill.com> wrote:
refrigeration is also very helpful during forced carbonation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry's_law

+1 on getting some sudo corny kegs as it would also help subiir by obviating the need to sanitize bottles.  also corny kegs are much, much easier to clean than sankey kegs.  i'm trying to get a CO2 tank right now but it will probably wind up living in a metalshop somewhere...

keep your peepers peeled for cheap kegs people!


Apr 9, 2013 02:21:23 PM, freedom@jonahsilas.net wrote:






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    I love this idea, though the business end may be a little tough.
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    FWIW I am not a Sudo Roomer, just a fan -- but am an experienced
    homebrewer and beverage maker and would happily coach/offer
    assistance to anyone undertaking this. Feel free to email me
    directly!
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    Some bullet points:
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    * Selling beverages in America is a PITA. I believe you need to use
    certified food prep space, etc. Giving away beverages and accepting
    donations however is not technically selling anything. ;-)
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    * Used soda kegs are a great food safe stainless steel option for
    brewing things and dispensing them:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelius_kegs
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    * If using such kegs a CO2 tank/regulator is indicated. Worth the
    $100 investment as you can now carbonate anything (SudoSeltzer,
    SudoSoda, whatever) at a fraction of the cost of a soda stream, plus
    can store stuff in sterile CO2 instead of that lousy air stuff.
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    * Flip top ("Grolsch") bottles are awesome for small scale
    production.
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    * Consider lacto-fermenting for carbonation to add probiotic magic
    to the clubby awesomeness:
    http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/lacto-fermented-soft-drinks
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    * Regardless refrigeration is helpful. You will never get truly
    sterile, just sanitary, storage and anything with lots of sugar will
    ferment. It is what nature does with sugar. Then you get sulfur-y,
    boozy mate...
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    Hope this gets some traction!
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    Best,
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    JSS
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    Max Klein:
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    >
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      > Club Mate[1] is a carbonated tea drink which is hugely
      popular amongst European Hackers. I thought about importing it,
      but that would imply $3/bottle[2], which would leave us with slim
      profit margins. Let's try and make 10% of sudoroom's budget
      through profits.
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      >
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      > I am committing up to $300 in funding to this, in an attempt
      to make 100 bottles as a proof of concept. I need your assistance
      on any of the following sub-points. Accept to do the following or
      provide input on the wiki[3] and I'll write you a cheque as
      needed:
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      >
>
      > ==Business Plan==
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      >
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      > Initial Funding: up to $300
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      > Target Sales: $200 - $300
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      >
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      >  1. Make it.
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      >      1. Buy sufficient raw mate
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      >          1. for 50L ~ 100 bottles
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      >              1. Assuming 500ml bottles
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      >              2. We could also use 333ml bottles
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      >      2. Brew it
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      >          1. Will we need a vat?
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      >              1. Do we have a vat?
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      >              2. Can a metal worker at sudo make us a vat
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      >      3. Spice it if necessary
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      >          1. Following this guide[4] maybe
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      >          2. Or allow adventurous sudoer to blaze trail
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      >      4. Carbonate it
>
      >          1. Bobby, David Wild's roommate does this
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      >              1. Ask him nicely
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      >              2. Pay him
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      >          2. Buy a soda-stream
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      >      5. Transport it too bottler
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      >  2. Bottle It.
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      >      1. Use as many recycled bottles as possible
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      >          1. Put call out for more bottles
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      >              1. Pay a homeless person worst comes to worse
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      >      2. Use the sudo capping machine
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      >          1. I believe its in the closet
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      >      3. Labelling
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      >         1.
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      >
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      >          2. Rock paper scissors can do this
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      >      4. Transport it to storage
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      >  3. Store it
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      >      1. We might be able to use the sudo closet
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      >          1. Does it require refrigerated storage?
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      >          2. Do we have a refrigerator
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      >              1. Find one or many on CL Free
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      >  4. Sell it.
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      >      1. Target price $2-3/bottle depending on investment
      figures
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      >      2. Always at sudo, but also at specialized events
>
      >      3. At Oakland Nights live
>
      >      4. At an events night fundraiser
>
      >          1. Sober
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      >              1. Games tournament
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      >              2. Debate
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      >              3. Hackathon
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      >          2. Mix it with alcohol
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      >              1. At a sudorave.
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      >              2. One of the planned Movie Nights
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      >      5. At art murmur.
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      >          1. Have this ready by May 3rd.
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      >
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      >
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      > If there are there any other members from other Hackerspace
      that you think would be useful, please forward this email.
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      >
>
      > Cheers Max
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      >
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      > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate
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      > [2] http://club-mate.us/
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      > [3] https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Sudomate
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      > [4]
      http://blog.makezine.com/2010/08/12/how-to-homebrew-club-mate/
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      >
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      >
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