has there been any development on the sudo men's group meetings? i'm quite interested in participating, but was hoping to learn more about the direction you guys are taking.

relatedly, i was at the RightsCon discussion today about "Ending Violence Against Women Online: No One's Liability, Everyone's Responsibility". very intriguing to learn about how there are two tracks being pushed by the leaders in this space internationally - one focused on gender neutral safe space concepts and one focused on gender inclusivity in current online platforms. i think with matt & max's leadership, there's a great deal that sudo men can contribute to these important developments.

On Feb 26, 2014, at 10:40 PM, Tom Lowenthal wrote:

> Hi folks,
> I don't have the time to make it out to Oakland much, nor the
> bandwidth for another group. Thanks for thinking of me, and good luck!
> -Tom
>
> On 25 February 2014 21:39, Max Klein <isalix@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would also suggest that a nice place to start is maybe this ADA Initiative
>> Allies Workshop. There are two coming up in the beginning of march, the 7th
>> and 11th. $200-Free sliding scale:
>>
>> http://adainitiative.org/2014/02/allies-workshops-in-the-san-francisco-bay-area/
>>
>> I watched a video of a past workshop and it was really useful. I didn't
>> realize about how you make somebody aware that you don't like their sexist
>> behaviour and then drop it and move on. They also mentioned about how to
>> utilize "Charle's rules for arguments" to not get too involved in arguing.
>> Your allow to make your point, and one clarification, and then you don't
>> argue any more.
>> http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/03/21/charles_rules_of_argument/
>>
>> notconfusing
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tossing my hat in!  Been wanting to start men's feminist circle myself.  I
>>> wonder if we can make this a skype call in or something.  <3    Also, just
>>> read this great little MVC essay which makes me think about hackerspace
>>> interactions a lot
>>> http://modelviewculture.com/pieces/ceo-archetypes-7-joan-of-arc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Max for filling out your availability! Other interested parties,
>>>> please do so here: http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Jenny for the cc, (Hi Tom), and that sounds like a great first
>>>> agenda item for this little cluster, easily done on the sudo room wiki or
>>>> Noisebridge wiki, or both.
>>>>
>>>> // Matt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 1:47 AM, Jenny Ryan <tunabananas@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that might be fruitful is creating a list of resources and
>>>>> readings that are more easily digestible by geek men in particular, and of
>>>>> course humans in general. I'm cc'ing Tom from Noisebridge, who's been
>>>>> organizing a feminist book group for men at Noisebridge over the past couple
>>>>> of months.
>>>>>
>>>>> -totally unaffiliated ally of this proposal :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny
>>>>> http://jennyryan.net
>>>>> http://thepyre.org
>>>>> http://thevirtualcampfire.org
>>>>> http://technomadic.tumblr.com
>>>>>
>>>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
>>>>> -Laurie Anderson
>>>>>
>>>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining
>>>>> it."
>>>>> -Hannah Arendt
>>>>>
>>>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
>>>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé
>>>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry, not "weekly" I don't know how frequently such a group should
>>>>>> meet!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Max, this is great:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Be radical sudo men. Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But let's also meet and talk, I think it will be fruitful. Please
>>>>>>> share your availability on this calendar, and we'll start a little weekly
>>>>>>> meeting group. I favor Mondays in case folks have similar interests:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://when2meet.com/?1557201-cZIKf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Max Klein <isalix@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I see it - or perhaps I am wanting to see it this way - this Men's
>>>>>>>> group's purpose would be to combat mindlessly performing inculcated
>>>>>>>> patriarchal motions. And in the process of de-conditioning yourself as a
>>>>>>>> "man", becoming a convincing, subtle and non-naggy argument for other men to
>>>>>>>> do the same. Slowly doing what we can do restore a gender equitable society,
>>>>>>>> from our side (while knowing that we can't do it ourselves, that's the sort
>>>>>>>> of thinking that got us here in the first place).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So a thousand yeses to all of the above. But how do we do it? In
>>>>>>>> person meetings? Too self selecting. Online? Not visible enough. Making a
>>>>>>>> charter? Toothless. Doing volunteer work? Pointless doting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's my suggestion, and I'm open to more. Be radical sudo men.
>>>>>>>> Do your dishes, and smash the platetriarchy.
>>>>>>>> notconfusing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Ryan Bethencourt
>>>>>>>> <ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great idea and I'm in if we can keep the time commitment relatively
>>>>>>>>> light
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2014 9:12 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Positive responses at the weekly meeting. I started mulling it over
>>>>>>>>>> more and would like to add:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm basically reaching out for help to men who would like to
>>>>>>>>>> actively contribute to improving the performance of gender dynamics and to
>>>>>>>>>> provide space for healing and support in sudo room. Please consider
>>>>>>>>>> contributing, no experts required, just an open mind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Max,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have any particular resources in mind at the moment, want
>>>>>>>>>> to be a bit open-ended, see what makes sense, then do some research and
>>>>>>>>>> document along the way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> // Matt
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Max B <maxb.personal@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think its a great idea!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you mind linking to some resources that have explanations of
>>>>>>>>>>> what you're thinking about more specifically? I think people may have very
>>>>>>>>>>> different ideas of what a men's group might do. I can do some looking around
>>>>>>>>>>> later if need be.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On February 19, 2014 6:48:50 PM PST, Matthew Senate
>>>>>>>>>>> <mattsenate@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to reach out for some feedback. Seeking folks who would
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to facilitate or participate in a men's group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've previously participated in small groups like this and found
>>>>>>>>>>>> them beneficial for various reasons. I would like to see if folks have had
>>>>>>>>>>>> similar or different experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The way I'm thinking about this would culminate in something like
>>>>>>>>>>>> a regular meeting for men in the sudo room community to discuss relevant
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues including those of identity, oppression, privilege, patriarchy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> gender, sexuality, stereotypes, safe space, and mutual support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This may not be the best or even a viable path to approach these
>>>>>>>>>>>> topics, but I wanted to throw it out there to see if there is any interest.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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