YEAH!!!!!!!!!

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Andrew <andrew@roshambomedia.com> wrote:

Totally sent this from the wrong email. So bringing it back to the list.

I think it basically boils down to homophobia ie. "who will show up if they might see a naked man"?.... Our answer: people who truely unstand sexuality as more than just hetero men getting what they want.

On May 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Romy Ilano" <romy@snowyla.com> wrote:

i've nEVER met anyone holding an erotic event who made the male and stripper female ratio equal

that is such a no-brainer to me. i don't understand why people don't do that

if businessmen go to lunch around strippers, why can't it be 50% hot male strippers and 50%hot female strippers? that would make the world so much easier to deal with.

you rule!

On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Romy Ilano <romy@snowyla.com> wrote:

andrew that last commentw as so rad! that's cool. =D

that's the kind of erotic event i'd be into

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From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss@gmail.com>

Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies

To: Andrew <andrew@vagabondballroom.com>
Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>

Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for?

On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <andrew@vagabondballroom.com> wrote:

When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and male and female strippers.

Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and representation of sex and there needs to be more.

On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <sonja.trauss@gmail.com> wrote:

Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?

On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <g2g-public01@att.net> wrote:

Romy & Yo's-

Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."

Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never noticed that before (OTOH
attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my attention),
but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.

I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as
hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way
(e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at "that way" produces the creepy
feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.

The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing
ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't want
to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially different
to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body."  But it would be
foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic
method is used.

This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.
For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no cue
for communication with the person.  Nudes in general don't do it either:
all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing,
so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with
someone I don't really know?  I've always felt that way but now we have
the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to get
intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome
could be a life-threatening illness.

For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose in
the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in a
matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a
darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,
zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.  In which case photography
that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't just
gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces
attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.

-G.


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On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:
> It's interesting to me how porn a
> Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces cut off
> American apparel digs this etc
> Lots of art theory discusses this
>
> I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry
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