> WRT Elliot, I haven't been around enough lately to know, but it sounds
> like we've kicked out many strangers for less and never thought twice.
> It's so much easier to be lenient with a familiar face, but that's not
> "fair"...

I think the notion of a universal fairness that can be applied to all people in all situations is kind of problematic... I think applying (or claiming to apply) the same rules in every instance fails to take into consideration things such as upbringing, culture, class, education, mental and or emotional ability. 

I do think we should take into account the person and their relationship to our community.  Obviously, if someone is making someone feel unsafe, I think it's okay to ask them to leave but the reason why strangers are often kicked out for less w/out thinking twice is generally because the relationship that *is* the community is not there in the same way it is for people who we interact with every day.

I don't have an answer and I know that's probably annoying but I would like us to challenge a cookie-cutter approach to dealing with individuals and situations - at least to have a conversation about it even if we continue to employ the existing model in the meantime. 

Maybe implementing a system that is more nuanced is impossible on a larger scale but I would like to consider it. A topic for visioning / strategy session, perhaps...

N



On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:11 PM, yar <yardenack@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Eske Silver <eske.silver@gmail.com> wrote:
> We do already (or damn oughta) have precident for these interactions...

Sudoroom has many long-standing policies for this. First, any Sudoroom
member is empowered to ask a non-member to leave at any time. Second,
when a person's presence makes someone else feel unsafe, we ask them
to leave and not return until the end of a conflict resolution process
(if they want one). The process involves a mediator and steward having
private meetings and then reporting back afterwards. Facts and
arguments are not hashed out at a public meeting unless the process
has failed spectacularly. We've never had to do that.

Sudoroom values fairness, but we have always prioritized safety over fairness.

WRT Elliot, I haven't been around enough lately to know, but it sounds
like we've kicked out many strangers for less and never thought twice.
It's so much easier to be lenient with a familiar face, but that's not
"fair"...
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