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1. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (Rick Karnesky)
2. new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply to
list) (Max Klein)
3. Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web Development, April
15: FIRST CLASS of the new series! (Naomi Most)
4. Re: new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply
to list) (Marina Kukso)
5. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health: Resistant bugs generally.
(Anon195714)
6. Re: new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply
to list) (Anon195714)
7. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (aestetix)
8. Re: Survey on Money at the space(please reply to this)
(rusty lindgren)
9. Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
(rusty lindgren)
10. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
(Anon195510)
11. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
(Yardena Cohen)
12. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
(Sonja Trauss)
13. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?
(Marina Kukso)
14. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (Romy Ilano)
15. Re: Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and the absence
therein) (Hol Gaskill)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:12:05 -0700
From: Rick Karnesky <karnesky@gmail.com>
To: Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi@gmail.com>
Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health
Message-ID: <515DB465.4050806@gmail.com>
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A few leads on the topic, courtesy of Bart Bernhardt (who had answered a
call for ideas on a broader subject for Valentine's Day this year). Kyle
and people from AE did a show-and-tell for the Commonwealth Club

---

"- Kyle Machulis is a whip-smart brash software engineer who, on the
side, blogs about teleldildonics (using haptic and telecommunications
technology to facilitate long-distance sex), DIY sex toys, and other
mash-ups of sex and tech. He's really fun. http://slashdong.org/

- Long, long ago, the Exploratorium Biology dept had an exhibit that was
something like "The Olfaction of Attraction" and had little squeeze
bottles with human pheromones in them. Depending on your genes and
gender, you may find the smell either repulsive or attractive. This
would make a great interactive station. It's fantastic seeing two
people, one with a look of disgust and the other with a pleased smile,
trying to reconcile their different perceptions.

- The Archaeology of Vice. Kari Jones and Liz Clevinger work in the
archaeology programs at the Presidio of San Francisco. Among the things
unearthed? Well, the archeological record suggests that, shockingly,
soldiers stationed there liked sex, based on the wide range of vintage
porn, prophylactics, and medically-dubious STD cures dug up in the
Presidio."

--Rick


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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:16:05 -0700
From: Max Klein <isalix@gmail.com>
To: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition
(not reply to list)
Message-ID:
<CAKbmofivqmzFQQJz3Hyf2Bwg_+1uO2iMif6z1bHjRnAHUJFXow@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us alone about
our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to use their "Forms" for
this survey

IF you've already replied to list:
don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses
ELSE:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing

IF interested in revamping questions:
form is openly editable

Max
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:31:30 -0700
From: Naomi Most <pnaomi@gmail.com>
To: "sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org"
<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web
Development, April 15: FIRST CLASS of the new series!
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This is a very good class, always full. Very good for beginners and
doesn't stop at HTML/CSS/js.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:19 PM
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web Development, April 15: FIRST
CLASS of the new series!
To: "noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" <
noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net>,
noisebridge-announce@lists.noisebridge.net, webdev@lists.noisebridge.net


I'm taking a week's break and returning April 15!

Learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript - and put them to good use! This weekly
lecture series, taught by Jeffrey Carl Faden, is aimed at complete
beginners who are interested in making websites, as well as seasoned
professionals looking to brush up on the latest and greatest.

Frontend web development is all about making code that runs in the
browser (versus code that runs on the server). There isn't a big focus
on web design (creating wireframes and mockups), but we do cover best
practices for turning these designs into beautiful code.

This is the first class of a new series of classes. If you or your
friends been waiting to jump in from the very beginning, this is the
class to take - so spread the word. We'll cover the very basics:
- Explaining "frontend" vs. "backend"
- Discussing tools of the trade
- Explaining the separation between structure, presentation, and behavior
- Writing a basic HTML page
- Styling the page with basic CSS
- Explaining the role of frontend web development as a job and career

The class starts on Monday, April 15 at 8pm, and goes until 10pm! Plan to
arrive EARLY, as the class will probably fill up very fast.

If you can't make it to this week's lecture, you can watch a live
video stream of the class. Join this Google+ Event to be notified of
when to hop on:
*https://plus.google.com/events/cgs3kmasqdu7f7s7i644i5f7e9g*
This video stream will also be available to watch after the class is
complete.

This class and the space in which it's taught are entirely free to
attend. Please bring a laptop. Read all of the details here:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Frontend_Web_Development

Jeffrey

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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:33:15 -0700
From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso@gmail.com>
To: Max Klein <isalix@gmail.com>
Cc: "sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org"
<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms
edition (not reply to list)
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hi everyone,

that's the link to edit the form. please complete the form here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/viewform

thanks,
marina


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Max Klein <isalix@gmail.com> wrote:

I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us alone about
our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to use their "Forms" for
this survey

IF you've already replied to list:
don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses
ELSE:


IF interested in revamping questions:
form is openly editable

Max



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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:01:21 -0700
From: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
To: Vicky Knox <vknoxsironi@gmail.com>
Cc: Sudo Room discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health: Resistant bugs
generally.
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... which reminds me: RESISTANT STRAINS. Not just sexually transmitted
but other as well.

Resistant gonorrhea, and other resistant bugs, for which the treatments
that worked in the past are now not working.

Thanks to massive abuse of antibiotics in agriculture, and also thanks
to humans who misuse antibiotics in various ways, we are rapidly heading
for the "pre-antibiotic" era all over again. The whole topic of
antibiotics and resistance ought to be on our agenda, including
non-sexually-transmitted resistant bacteria such as MRSA
(methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus) and MDRTB
(multi-drug-resistant and massively-drug-resistant tuberculosis), and
XDRTB (extremely drug-resistant tuberculosis).

Tuberculosis is a big deal in certain parts of the Bay Area including
San Francisco and Oakland. There are certain bus lines in SF that
doctors & nurses call "TB runs" because taking those buses entails a
high risk of exposure to TB.

For that matter we should also be thinking about emerging influenza
strains such as the new variant of avian flu (H5N9 if I recall
correctly) that's just killed five people in China, and the other new
virus that's killed a half dozen or so in the Middle East and England:
right now these seem like tiny isolated events, but any new flu strain
has the risk of turning out to be another monster pandemic that causes
millions of deaths in months. Viruses of course are not treated with
antibiotics, but are relevant because they are infectious/contagious.

These things are killers, and death by untreatable infection is nasty in
the utmost.

Minus antibiotics again, sanitation & hygiene, safe food preparation,
and safe sexual practices, become that much more important.

One thing everyone can do starting right now, is wash hands a) after
using the toilet, b) before preparing food, and c) before eating: every
time, no exceptions. Toward that end we can make sure that the
bathrooms and kitchen in the common spaces, and the industrial sink in
our space, all have bottles of hand-washing soap and paper towels at all
times.

-G.

=====







On 13-04-04-Thu 9:53 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
WOW. OK, where to start?


Table of Contents
@Masturbation Lib and Teledildonics
@Men
@Gonorrhea
@Sudo Room Donations
@Community Infrastructure

@Masturbation Liberation and Teledildonics: Anon195's ideas are
amaaaazing! I've been fascinated by teledildonics ever since I heard
of the existence of Ted Nelson.
The closest thing to that that I've run into via the hackerspaces has
been the Dongiverse, which is cool except that I wouldn't want a
sharp, porous plastic dong up any of my orifices. <http://dongiverse.com/>
Maybe a class field trip to Arse Elektronica 2013? (AE is an annual SF
sex and technology event/conference/thingy.) Or how about getting in
touch with their organizers to see if they'd like to collaborate on a
Masturbation liberation: Fuck yeah! I think this should be its own TIL
and I'm ready to make it happen. Wanna chose a date, Anon195? Or would
you like to wait on that until we talk more and/or contact our
contacts (such as AE)?
**So who's got the teledildonics connection?

@Men: Would there be any interest in formulating a men's meetup to
talk about, you know, stuff?

@Gonorrhea: I think the greatest workshops I've ever been to have been
variety hours. It's absolutely lovely and fascinating to have
educational interludes, kind of like exploring Wikipedia's
intertwingularity (see Ted Nelson article). May 4th is reserved! Does
anyone else have an educational interlude they'd like to add to
Hacking Menstruation?

@Sudo Room Donations: These events are the perfect opportunity for us
to pounce upon unsuspecting donors. Please reach far and wide into
your networks to advertise this. I'll send a follow-up reminder!

@Community infrastructure: A random hack of kindness will soon be
making its way toward Sudo Room.


2013/4/4 Marina Kukso <marina.kukso@gmail.com

excellent.

i think this also presents an excellent opportunity for discussing
what kind of (light) infrastructure would facilitate reproductive
and sexual health at the space - very basic stuff, tampons etc.,
but also community infrastructure - are we living up to our goal
of being inclusive by providing options in both the physical and
community dimensions of the space that allow everyone to feel at
home. everyone should be a part of this discussion and i would
love to speak more with women, queer folks, people of all stripes
about it.

- marina


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Rouskey
<craigrouskey@gmail.com <mailto:craigrouskey@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would be down to talk about Gonorrhea and plug our program
to eradicate the antibiotic resistant strains! May 4 th

?
Sent from Mailbox <https://bit.ly/SZvoJe> for iPhone


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Anon195714
<anon195714@sbcglobal.net <mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net>>
wrote:



Yo's-

Re. "What does it mean to hack sexual health...?"

Here's one example. For years I've had a slogan I tell
people (typically guys) whose sex drive is on overdrive to
the point where it warps their attitude toward others
(typically gals):

"Masturbate and keep your objectivity."

70% of guys "admit" that they play with themselves, and
the other 30% are lying. Yet the hypocrisy around this
subject is just astounding, and the result is that
physical needs become conflated with social attitudes and
generate oppression of self and oppression of others.

Envision a culture where relationships are based on
partners feeding each other (as in, holding the forks and
spoons full of food up to each others' mouths during a
meal) instead of on people having sex with each other.
People would run around frantically seeking partners
because otherwise they'd either have to feed themselves
(oh!, the embarrassment!) or go hungry and die.

That's where our culture is about sex. It's crazy.

So I'd suggest "masturbation liberation" as a sexuality
hacking topic.

It even has major potential for cybernetic devices and
interfaces and online communication enhancements.

"Did you try building the new Orgasmatron?"

"Yeah. The interface works pretty well, but there's a bug
in the code, so I patched it. Wanna' download my version,
see what you think?"

Later.... "Hey, your version's a lot better than the
original. Now I was thinking, the interface could be
improved. Here, I'll make one for you on the 3D printer."

"Oh, cool, yeah I like your CAD diagram, I think it'll
work, so go ahead and print one for me..."

Here's another potential topic:

Chastity belts for men in cultures that oppress women (for
example by making women wear oppressive shapeless garments
from head to toe, that barely leave enough of an opening
for their eyes to see the world).

Even one decent prototype would stir up a bunch of
publicity about the subject, and hopefully generate some
embarrassment on the part of men whose answer to their own
weaknesses is to oppress women. "Stop the problem at its
source: the dirty minds of men!"

OK, enough for one night;-)

-G.


=====


On 13-04-04-Thu 12:18 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
Tonight during the general meeting I proposed the Today I
Learned event "Hacking Sexual Health". I'd like to open
up the floor to multiple facilitators interested in this
topic area to help me lead either one TIL workshop, or a
series of workshops if there is sufficient excitement.
Hacking Sexual Health is intended for sexual and asexual
people alike.

So what does it mean to hack sexual health? Ruminate on
it. :]

My personal interest is hacking menstruation. I'd like to
lead a workshop for creating cloth pads out of recycled
clothing. The workshop is intended both for people who
menstruate and for people who have friends who menstruate
(and want to make them lovely presents!). We will go over
different lady product options and have fun
cost-comparisons for different products and unproducts.

I will be reserving either April 27th or May 4th upon
consulting my secretary. :P

Please contact me if you are interested in developing
your own workshop or helping me to facilitate
menstruation hacking!

ykciV

PS: Clothing hackers, you know who you are!


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From: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
To: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso@gmail.com>
Cc: Max Klein <isalix@gmail.com>, "sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org"
<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms
edition (not reply to list)
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I posted my answers to the list, and I'm not going to go to a Google
site that will probably stick me with some kind of tracking cookies that
can't easily be flushed out of my browser.

Really: expecting people to expose themselves to being data-mined,
tracked, and otherwise bugged is not consensual and not cool.

"Don't become an unpaid surveillance drone."

-G.


=====


On 13-04-04-Thu 10:33 AM, Marina Kukso wrote:
hi everyone,

that's the link to edit the form. please complete the form

thanks,
marina


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Max Klein <isalix@gmail.com

I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us
alone about our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to
use their "Forms" for this survey

IF you've already replied to list:
don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses
ELSE:

IF interested in revamping questions:
form is openly editable

Max



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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:14:23 -0700
From: aestetix <aestetix@aestetix.com>
To: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health
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Kyle (who made Teledildonics) is a good friend, I could reach out and
see if he'd be interested in doing a workshop.

Johannes (of AE) rocks, I don't know when the next time he'll be in
the US is though, he's from Austria.

Just another thought: maybe reach out to the Oakland Good Vibrations
shop and see if someone would be interested in teaching safety/etc?

I am super happy to see this coming up, thanks for proposing it, Vicky!

On 4/4/13 9:53 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
WOW. OK, where to start?


Table of Contents @Masturbation Lib and Teledildonics @Men
@Gonorrhea @Sudo Room Donations @Community Infrastructure

@Masturbation Liberation and Teledildonics: Anon195's ideas are
amaaaazing! I've been fascinated by teledildonics ever since I
heard of the existence of Ted Nelson.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson> The closest thing to that
that I've run into via the hackerspaces has been the Dongiverse,
which is cool except that I wouldn't want a sharp, porous plastic
dong up any of my orifices. <http://dongiverse.com/> Maybe a class
field trip to Arse Elektronica 2013? (AE is an annual SF sex and
technology event/conference/thingy.) Or how about getting in touch
with their organizers to see if they'd like to collaborate on a
Masturbation liberation: Fuck yeah! I think this should be its own
TIL and I'm ready to make it happen. Wanna chose a date, Anon195?
Or would you like to wait on that until we talk more and/or contact
our contacts (such as AE)? **So who's got the teledildonics
connection?

@Men: Would there be any interest in formulating a men's meetup to
talk about, you know, stuff?

@Gonorrhea: I think the greatest workshops I've ever been to have
been variety hours. It's absolutely lovely and fascinating to have
educational interludes, kind of like exploring Wikipedia's
intertwingularity (see Ted Nelson article). May 4th is reserved!
Does anyone else have an educational interlude they'd like to add
to Hacking Menstruation?

@Sudo Room Donations: These events are the perfect opportunity for
us to pounce upon unsuspecting donors. Please reach far and wide
into your networks to advertise this. I'll send a follow-up
reminder!

@Community infrastructure: A random hack of kindness will soon be
making its way toward Sudo Room.


2013/4/4 Marina Kukso <marina.kukso@gmail.com

excellent.

i think this also presents an excellent opportunity for discussing
what kind of (light) infrastructure would facilitate reproductive
and sexual health at the space - very basic stuff, tampons etc.,
but also community infrastructure - are we living up to our goal
of being inclusive by providing options in both the physical and
community dimensions of the space that allow everyone to feel at
home. everyone should be a part of this discussion and i would
love to speak more with women, queer folks, people of all stripes
about it.

- marina


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Rouskey
<craigrouskey@gmail.com <mailto:craigrouskey@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would be down to talk about Gonorrhea and plug our program to
eradicate the antibiotic resistant strains! May 4 th

? Sent from Mailbox <https://bit.ly/SZvoJe> for iPhone


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Anon195714
<anon195714@sbcglobal.net <mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net>>
wrote:



Yo's-

Re. "What does it mean to hack sexual health...?"

Here's one example. For years I've had a slogan I tell people
(typically guys) whose sex drive is on overdrive to the point where
it warps their attitude toward others (typically gals):

"Masturbate and keep your objectivity."

70% of guys "admit" that they play with themselves, and the other
30% are lying. Yet the hypocrisy around this subject is just
astounding, and the result is that physical needs become conflated
with social attitudes and generate oppression of self and
oppression of others.

Envision a culture where relationships are based on partners
feeding each other (as in, holding the forks and spoons full of
food up to each others' mouths during a meal) instead of on people
having sex with each other. People would run around frantically
seeking partners because otherwise they'd either have to feed
themselves (oh!, the embarrassment!) or go hungry and die.

That's where our culture is about sex. It's crazy.

So I'd suggest "masturbation liberation" as a sexuality hacking
topic.

It even has major potential for cybernetic devices and interfaces
and online communication enhancements.

"Did you try building the new Orgasmatron?"

"Yeah. The interface works pretty well, but there's a bug in the
code, so I patched it. Wanna' download my version, see what you
think?"

Later.... "Hey, your version's a lot better than the original. Now
I was thinking, the interface could be improved. Here, I'll make
one for you on the 3D printer."

"Oh, cool, yeah I like your CAD diagram, I think it'll work, so go
ahead and print one for me..."

Here's another potential topic:

Chastity belts for men in cultures that oppress women (for example
by making women wear oppressive shapeless garments from head to
toe, that barely leave enough of an opening for their eyes to see
the world).

Even one decent prototype would stir up a bunch of publicity about
the subject, and hopefully generate some embarrassment on the part
of men whose answer to their own weaknesses is to oppress women.
"Stop the problem at its source: the dirty minds of men!"

OK, enough for one night;-)

-G.


=====


On 13-04-04-Thu 12:18 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:
Tonight during the general meeting I proposed the Today I Learned
event "Hacking Sexual Health". I'd like to open up the floor to
multiple facilitators interested in this topic area to help me
lead either one TIL workshop, or a series of workshops if there
is sufficient excitement. Hacking Sexual Health is intended for
sexual and asexual people alike.

So what does it mean to hack sexual health? Ruminate on it. :]

My personal interest is hacking menstruation. I'd like to lead a
workshop for creating cloth pads out of recycled clothing. The
workshop is intended both for people who menstruate and for
people who have friends who menstruate (and want to make them
lovely presents!). We will go over different lady product options
and have fun cost-comparisons for different products and
unproducts.

I will be reserving either April 27th or May 4th upon consulting
my secretary. :P

Please contact me if you are interested in developing your own
workshop or helping me to facilitate menstruation hacking!

ykciV

PS: Clothing hackers, you know who you are!


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:42:46 -0700
From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com>
To: sudo-announce@lists.sudoroom.org,
"sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Survey on Money at the space(please reply
to this)
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Hey Everyone,

There have been some pretty legitimate issues around dues and access raised
on this thread, not really having to do with payment, so I'll start another
thread, but so far... I think biggest is the issue of instant 24/7 access.

I'm moving that discussion to another thread.

-Rusty
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:56:56 -0700
From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com>
To: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And
how?
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Hey Everyone,

Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues
thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),
has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably
mostly because of time.

Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the
space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
we've had really shitty access up until now.

I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying to
see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for
some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is
true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if
we do decide on it being okay for members to do.

If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really is
about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and
establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.

Thanks,

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:17:32 -0700
From: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
To: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com>
Cc: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
And how?
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24/7 card key access for trusted members is good. But it should be
considered a privilege, not a right, and not something everyone gets,
and certainly not something people get instantly when they sign up.

24/7 card key access immediately upon signing the membership list is
bad, bad, bad, it's an invitation to all manner of creeps, crooks, and
potential theft & violence, and I'll hard block it in a ten-second
minute on the basis of the "safe space" principal.

"Open" is not synonymous with "easy."

Sorry to be taking a hard line on this, but the last thing we need is
for someone to get robbed or raped by some creep who figured us for an
easy target. The stakes are too high, and the benefits aren't worth
the risks.

-G.


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On 13-04-04-Thu 11:56 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:
Hey Everyone,

Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the
dues thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7
access), has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about,
probably mostly because of time.

Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person
have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but
even I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety
issues at work here, and we should discuss them in relation to
cost/benefits for the space. It's also entirely possible that we
trust someone, and they just do something bad anyway. We don't really
spend a lot of time thinking about this, but this is something we
haven't had to really deal with yet, because we've had really shitty
access up until now.

I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was
trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but
I think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least
in 1 case this is true. I also am not sure it's really something we
should be promoting, if we do decide on it being okay for members to do.

If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it
really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting
membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to
reply here.

Thanks,

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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:23:36 -0700
From: Yardena Cohen <yardenack@gmail.com>
To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
And how?
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(Rusty: sorry for the double e-mail)

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com> wrote:
Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the space.
It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
we've had really shitty access up until now.

Honestly I'm not comfortable linking access to payment, for a lot of
reasons, but I'll try to outline the most salient thing for me right
now:

* I don't think access means anything if a person can't feel safe here
* I don't feel safe when I'm at the space all alone
* I feel even better when I'm sharing the space with multiple people
who I know and trust
* Our goal should be for the space to be full of known & trusted
people -- if not always, then as much as possible
* It would be silly to turn anybody away at that point

So my goal day in and day out is to look for ways to expand Sudoroom's
web of trust - not just get people to the space, not just facilitate
and encourage them giving money to the space, but helping them feel
happy and comfortable and like they could be a part of a community,
and that coming here will give them a chance to hack awesome things,
work on their projects, get inspired for new projects.

I'm open to solutions in the form of rules and algorithms, but I'm
skeptical of any solutions that seem to close doors (literally &
figuratively) because Sudoroom and hackerspaces in general are so new
and experimental.

The scepter of an untrusted person being alone in the space is
important, but I honestly don't see a good reliable antidote other
than "add more trusted people." Safety in numbers.


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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:24:31 -0700
From: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss@gmail.com>
To: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com>
Cc: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
And how?
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Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west Oakland
but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.
I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people
work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for
that reason as it is for the safety reasons.
I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current member to
recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like me
could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and then I
would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the rule) to
sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's actually
already how communities work.
On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <rustylindgren@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Everyone,

Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues
thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),
has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably
mostly because of time.

Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the
space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
we've had really shitty access up until now.

I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying
to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for
some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is
true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if
we do decide on it being okay for members to do.

If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really
is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and
establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.

Thanks,

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:25:50 -0700
From: Marina Kukso <marina.kukso@gmail.com>
To: Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss@gmail.com>
Cc: "sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org"
<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?
And how?
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welcome sonja!


+a million to jordan's email.

- marina


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss@gmail.com>wrote:

Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west
Oakland but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.
I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people
work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for
that reason as it is for the safety reasons.
I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current member
to recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like
me could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and then
I would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the rule)
to sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's
actually already how communities work.
On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <rustylindgren@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Everyone,

Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues
thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),
has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably
mostly because of time.

Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have
access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get
sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work
here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the
space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do
something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about
this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because
we've had really shitty access up until now.

I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying
to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for
some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is
true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if
we do decide on it being okay for members to do.

If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really
is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and
establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.

Thanks,

Rusty
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:01:44 -0700
From: Romy Ilano <romy@snowyla.com>
To: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health
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This is a great idea!
In the 1990s I used to go to some punk rock feminist women's health talks.
One session had us doing self-examinations using speculums with mirrors.
I'd like to throw that into the "stone soup" of a mix!

http://www.fwhc.org/health/selfcare.htm

- I'm unsure how comfortable most women would be doing self-examinations in
front of men.
- Using speculums and mirrors was very informative! I never realized how
most women are taught to think of their privates as dirty--so much so to
the point that they didn't know how their lady parts worked!
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 20:18:56 +0000 (UTC)
From: Hol Gaskill <hol@gaskill.com>
To: pnaomi@gmail.com
Cc: yardenack@gmail.com, sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and
the absence therein)
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WANT


Apr 4, 2013 01:15:20 AM, pnaomi@gmail.com wrote:
That was a completely awesome repast, everybody. ?I love the idea of meetings as potlucks just as much as it's amazing to have "catered" meals by Ray. ?:)
Would anybody like to try my pumpkin pie made with coconut milk and honey? ?I know it's not exactly the season for it, but I love pumpkin so much, I have been making it for myself lately.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Leonid Kozhukh len@ligertail.com> wrote:

so far, were going with soup, fried cauliflower, and kale salad. other suggestions and/or additions?


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM, mattsenate@gmail.com mattsenate@gmail.com> wrote:


Ive been making soups in the crockpot and can continue doing the same. I left miso and greens in the fridge, another stop at Koreana Plaza for rice noodles, oyster mushrooms, green onion, and tofu should do. Feel free to grab other things for a soup too. The trick is to heat up the crockpot with a bit of water or soup base, then use the water boiler above the sink for the boiling. Basically a simple hotspot, nothing needs more than a 10 minutes of hot water to cook.


// Matt

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Subject: [sudo-discuss] Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and the absence therein)
Date: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 3:41 PM


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Raymond Lai raymond.wm.lai@gmail.com> wrote:

My fellow Sudoers, I am not feeling well and will not be able to make the
meeting tonight. I wish I could say there are leftovers in the fridge. :(

Thanks so much for all your work Ray!

If anybody else would like to collaborate on food tonight, I'd love to

help! I can contribute time, car, buying ingredients, chopping skills,
and following directions, in exchange for your contribution of
leadership. :) :) :)
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