Thanks, Ryan.

I understand your own fatigue / frustrations around accessibility issues and I have to say, I'm grateful to you for having been willing to illuminate of problems that, to be completely honest, many of us simply hadn't been thinking about. I know it's difficult to have to confront that kind of ignorance from people who purport to be in solidarity with people who struggle with ableism. 

I don't know who the person is that you think would be willing to help us take this on (the person I spoke with on Sunday was very clear that they were not willing / able to help us).

And Nick - let us know when you have resolved things w/Sudo if you're still interested in pursuing this at that time.

N

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Ryan <yandoryn@gmail.com> wrote:
niki, I understand your exasperation

All I'm trying to say is that someone should be clear to her that there are quite a few people at the Omni who may be violently opposed to these types of accessibility requests, even though they seem completely reasonable because "The community is not some amorphous / boundless resource *nor* is it some perfect ideological object."

I know I felt personally attacked and invalidated (and still do over a lot of the accessibility stuff) when bringing up a very similar topic and it might be useful to warn her that there's a very good and real chance people might be jerks to her about a very sensitive subject. Or that her proposals might get ignored/unheeded because the priorities of the space are elsewhere.

I'm not saying it well because I am tired and personally hurt by a lot of the accessibility stuff.

"I think it's reasonable to say that we haven't found someone who has the time / energy to take this on right now and that people who have concerns around these issues should perhaps wait to engage with us until we're in a more solid place. "

This is exactly what the Omni should say wrt a lot of accessibility stuff in my opinion, and not what's been happening. Which is a major reason there's a lot of hurt.

However, I do think that we have found someone who can take this on or at least help and see if we can. She should just uh, be warned that not everyone's on board.

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Nicholas Oakley <nickoakley510@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps my reply was unseen ? There are many ways & dimensions for
accessibility issues.All of our concerns,ideas are important and valid
.However there are already certain standards that can be applied
intermediately as the Omni community continues to fine tune and
congeal its protocol.

On 4/21/15, Patrik D'haeseleer <patrikd@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just reminding people what the original request was about, which was
> dealing primarily with the use of certain* building materials*:
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 8:06 PM, niki <niki.shelley@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> she was particularly concerned with building improvements and the impact
>> on those with chemical sensitivities. [...]
>>
>> She asked us to not use any materials that will inhibit those with
>> chemical sensitivities from accessing the space and to create
>> communication
>> around our accessibility and needs.
>>
>
> I do think we should use materials that are low in volatile organic
> compounds (VOCs):
>
> - Paint: low-VOC paint is available, and doesn't cost all that much more.
> Needless to say, also much more pleasant for the painters to work with...
>
> - Particle board has a known issue with outgassing formaldehyde throughout
> its lifespan. Sealing it can drastically slow that down. I bet there are
> low-formaldehyde options available as well, but haven't had time to look
> into this yet. Looks like there's some formaldehyde-free plywood at least
>
> - Drywall / sheetrock: looks like there was a bit of a scare with Chinese
> sheetrock, and with Chinese materials making it into US-made sheetrock, but
> that may have been mostly an East Coast problem:
>
> http://www.propublica.org/article/american-made-drywall-emerges-as-potential-danger
> http://debralynndadd.com/q-a/how-safe-is-sheetrock/
> "I called up Home Depot – where we had just bought drywall yesterday, and
> the manager checked with his supplier. *All the California Home Depots use
> natural gypsum mined in Mexico, and their drywall is Greenguard certified.
> He said he thought it was the East Coast that used the synthetic stuff*."
>
> This is all just based on 15 minutes of googling - if someone else has more
> time to investigate, that would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Patrik
>
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