It seems like there’s a lot of people speaking on behalf of Lovi/Lilu, but not Lovi/Lilu. 

Lovi/Lilu - btw what is your preferred name, Lovi or Lilu? 

In the absence of your input, it seems there has been growing speculation and floating of names as the person or persons who may have harassed you on the premises of Omni Commons. 

In my view it is important that we understand who all these parties are as best we can, what exactly occurred, where in omni, and when and that if possible this is not remain speculative, which can lead to more harm.

I’m really concerned about this.

David 

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 14:02 david broccoli via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
Hi Dane - Lilu expressed concern in an online forum about a person who came into the space and was photographing people without consent and asking questions in a very direct and probing manner. This person happened to be from the state of Israel/Palestine.  My understanding is that Lilu is not racist or xenophobic, and is not anti-state-of-israel. Furthermore, she has expressed that some of her closest friends and also direct supporters of her livelihood have been Jewish (both religiously and ethnically). 

I respect your concern about Lilu's questioning of Habiba and why she wanted to keep the door open. My understanding is that Habiba is a well-established member of Sudo, so when Lilu asked if she was a volunteer at the space and if she could close the front door, I can understand why she would not want to answer whether she was a volunteer or not to some blonde white girl. Still, my understanding is that Lilu did not ask her for her identification- to do so would be outrageous. Is your understanding that she confronted Habiba and asked to see her identification?

Thanks for your care about the space.  My only reason for weighing in here is (1) being a member at noisebridge and seeing hearsay be misrepresented (2) to make sure that the story of my friend who was touched inappropriately is not snuffed out by three men.  


On Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 12:47 PM Dane <wanderingsearch1@gmail.com> wrote:
I am trying to figure out who this person is that inappropriately touched Lovi/Lilu. 

Was it Jorge or Mike or someone else ??? (two men working on electrical/carpentry/roof)


I came across Lovi/Lilu arguing with each Chicago (ANV member) in the context of Chicago stating that Lovi/Lilu was messing with ANV's stuff and Chicago telling Lovi/Lilu not to both ANV and him.


The Noisebridge part you mention neglects the systemic unexcellent behavior exhibited by Lovi/Lilu that furthers xenophobic racist behaviors and ideologies...not just some mere interpersonal issue that was no big deal.......

There were over 200 messages on the Nosiebridge Slack that day oriented around Lovi/Lilu accusing a random person of being a foreign person working as a CIA agent without any sort of proof and demanding that Noisebridge trust Lovi/Lilu's instincts (Lovi/Lilu emphasized repeatedly the foreignness of the person they were falsely accusing...)

This is not some simplistic interpersonal issue as you framed it. It may have been resolved between the person who asked Lovi/Lilu to stay away from Noisebridge until mediation occurred, which it did.  
But overall please do not download Lovi/Lilu's racist xenophobic unexcellent behavior 

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I'm guessing also, David, that you are unfamiliar with the fact that couple of weeks ago, Lovi/Lilu harassed an older black woman who volunteers for East Bay Food Not Bombs (Habiba) with Lovi/Lilu thinking that Habiba was some random who was "trespassing " in Omni Commons, asking for Habiba to identify herself to Lovi/Lilu as if Lovi is some kind of white supremacist cop. That is embarrassing. 

Fuck that shit and anyone who glosses over that. 

I hope Lovi/Lilu can bring accountability to person who harassed her 

but please please do not ignore or downplay Lovi/Lilu's racist authoritarian behavior, David or anyone else.

Dane

On Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 12:00 david broccoli via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org> wrote:
Hi, my name is David and I have been working with Lilu on repairing the Laser at Sudo Room. I am a member at noisebridge and wanted to make clear that while it is true that Lilu had a misunderstanding/disagreement with two other members at noisebridge, this took place on an online chat when she was both extremely low on sleep (i.e. perhaps not thinking totally logically) and in mourning.  It was also resolved in-person through a follow-up conversation and successful mediation. There has never been a "safe space" ask to leave for Lilu at noisebridge - there was simply a disagreement/misunderstanding in an online chat that has since been resolved.

Lilu has brought to my attention that she has been pursued and touched inappropriately on two separate occasions by a male worker at the omni commons who asked her "not to worry because he is divorced".  After she reported this Saturday she has become the target of harassment by a male friend of the worker, who earlier in the same day (and together with the worker) had tried to discount Lilu's accusation and to characterize the interaction as "normal touch".

I think that it would be a mistake to use hearsay about a resolved disagreement at another organization as reason to discount an allegation about harassment/inappropriate touch and frankly what looks like an attempt to bully her into not speaking out about it.

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