Perhaps we can institute a "TRO-l bloc" action, with priorly agreed upon parameters. 

Law folks call stopping someone from doing something before everyone's gotten a chance to get a good handle on what's going on, most importantly a judge - a temporary restraining order (TRO) or preliminary injunction. So TRO-listserv (or TRO-l) could have some settled upon period and parameters by which it can be instituted without consensus-taking. When talking about speech and code though, the rise of (usually entertainment) company calls for shutting down websites immediately amounts to "Prior Restraint" - which often seems draconian especially to free speech/open culture advocates. The standard for doing something that would amount to a prior restraint would then be stricter for an action to be taken and require more checks and balances as a result. 

Excuse the long-winded way about it - but I think this lens helps me at least tease out what may have been bothering some people on the list about how action was taken in solving the problem.  

Not sure how Holacracy! deals with it yet. And unfortunately not going to be able to make this next workshop they're hosting.

On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jenny Ryan <> wrote:

For the record, the action was taken by three people - myself, Matt, and Marc when we were at sudo late last night working on things (such as this weekend's event). All three of us have access to the listserv and regularly moderate the bounces, mailman errors, etc. Matt sent Giovanni a private email informing him that he'd been removed from the list.

I entirely support the suspension of someone who's not only been spamming the list, but has been defacing Noisebridge's wiki and posting messages such as the following:

Banning someone from a mailing list is *not* the same as banning them from the physical community; it's a preservation mode so we don't receive a bevy of heartbreaking unsubscribe requests. And we are also hoping people can come together this weekend and support Sudo Room in person - though many of you may have missed those posts in the barrage.


"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."
-Laurie Anderson

"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."
 -Hannah Arendt

"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."
-Stéphane Mallarmé

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lovelle Mixon <> wrote:
Running a listserv is a completely thankless job.

You're just witnessing how giovanni_re/john fastmail/john/john regan works.  I don't think
he's a bad person.  He's not assaulting anyone.  He is genuinely excited about computers
and Linux and communities and free software.  His usual mode is he joins a free culture/
community/open source software community mailing list, and then every few months or so
starts cross posting interesting links or forwarding emails from one list to the other,
no editing, just WHAM here read email from this other place, not realizing that if someone
wants to read email from the other mailing list, they would just JOIN that mailing list,
no need to forward it.  He's been doing this for over 10 years.  He'll be doing it
long after sudoroom is gone.

You usually don't notice what's happening because he's on a LOT of mailing lists, and annoying
each of the mailing lists is a lot of work, so he doesn't get around to forwarding stuff
to your mailing list until about a month in the cycle.

Sometimes he gets super excited about something ( RADIO! ) and starts concentrating on
your particular community, and boom you get the 10 emails in 1 hour problem you just saw.

Unknown how to properly deal with him.  People don't join his list BerkeleyTIP so he feels
the need to branch out.  Personally, I think it would help if he fixed the links on his site
that are broken and updated and are over 4 years old now.   That would be a great start.

John, you have a perfectly good wiki over on BerkeleyTIP.  You could update it with spectrum FCC
radio announcements.  You've been trying to get inspire Noisebridge and Sudoroom to grab
some spectrum of their own.  Getting your website in order would be a good start.



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