Hey Cyrus,I think putting lock-picking in a larger context (up to globally) will help folks understand that this is a helpful and inquisitive practice that, for instance, helps improve security through experience and knowledge of security systems like locks. This statement is obvious to the security / hacker community, but not obvious to many others. For me personally, when I was living in a student cooperative, I needed to unlock a filing cabinet I bought used that came without a key. I watched a Youtube video of a 14-year-old who showed me how to do it with (I believe something like) an aluminum can and a paperclip. That was very helpful, and also exposed me to the reality that simple locks provide a nominal layer of security (just pulling open), but almost always have available exploits. I wouldn't put things I wanted to keep completely secure in that filing cabinet--but I would put things I didn't want to easily walk away.
That being said, it is also important to note that this is one (I believe ~30 people, sold out) of many workshops to be held over the weekend in Oakland for http://workshopweekend.net/, and one of many events that happen at sudo room. Sudo-hosted events range from coding meetups http://www.meetup.com/EBJavaScript/ and informal learning sessions http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Today_I_Learned to local community organizing http://communitydemocracyproject.org/ and nerds who care about the environment http://nerdsfornature.org/. See more on our calendar http://sudoroom.org/calendar/ and come down this Friday during Art Murmur.// MattOn Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Cyrus Farivar <cfarivar@gmail.com> wrote:
FWIW—I'm in the process right now of writing up a short brief on the whole thing for Ars Technica, and am pointing out how lock picking has long been a part of hacker culture. If you have a statement, I can include/add it.-C--Cyrus Farivar
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cfarivar@cfarivar.orgOn Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM, sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org wrote:
Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions toTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visitor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' toYou can reach the person managing the list atWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..."Today's Topics:1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Eddan Katz)5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)6. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (mark burdett)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:22:20 -0800From: Eddan Katz <eddan@clear.net>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking classMessage-ID: <512FA05C.7070407@clear.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"It would be worth our while for someone to draft a short statement thatcan be posted on the Workshop Weekend website or as a Sudo Room blogpost. I'd be willing to help if someone did a first draft. So lame ofJean Quan to not even look into it.In sum, I think there are two major elements to committing a crime - theact itself and the intent. In order to have both, you need knowledge.There's nothing in here about the socially positive reasons why you'dwant to teach that. Take the common experience everyone can relate to oflocking yourself out of your house, car, office, etc.. People need toknow how to pick locks most certainly in circumstances that areauthorized and often in the case of an emergency. We may want to clarifythat in regards to intent - we have the opposite motivation to teachpeople these skills. It will go a long way to explicitly say that we byno means condone the use of those skills for criminal purposes.We should post it and send it directly to the authors of the articlesbefore the end of the day, so that a further story can be written aboutit. May also want to notify Susan Mernit @ Oakland Local to get a littlemore fair and balanced reporting.
On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:more:On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com<mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:It's awesome, free press!On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgrenOh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of"journalism" I have ever seen.Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-pickingschool(actually it teaches you way more), and that this isjust a cheaper version of that? (see:Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilledlock-picking, because it's a waste of time.Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, goto the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just aboutanywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".-RustyOn Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu<anca@techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote:Hi everyone,Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy thatpeople are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
Here is Oakland Local's response:Anca---=-=-=-Anca Mosoiu | Tech LiminalM: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list--Cheers,Rusty Lindgren**_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/1557d9be/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 2Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:35:48 -0800From: Eddan Katz <eddan@clear.net>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking classMessage-ID: <512FA384.6050105@clear.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"Chicago Lock v. Fanberg is the case I was telling you about last night,Author of lock-picking manuals gets sued by the manufacturer of thelocks. Chicago Lock loses on its trade secret misappropriation claim.Here's an excerpt from the facts of the case -Appellant Victor Fanberg, the son of locksmith Morris Fanberg and alocksmith in his own right, has published a number of locksmithmanuals for conventional locks. Realizing that no compilation hadbeen made of tubular lock key codes, in 1975 Fanberg advertised in alocksmith journal,/Locksmith Ledger,/requesting that individuallocksmiths transmit to him serial number-key code correlations intheir possession in exchange for a copy of a complete compilationwhen finished. A number of locksmiths complied, and in late 1976Fanberg and his father began to sell a two-volume publication oftubular lock codes, including those of Ace locks, entitled"A-Advanced Locksmith's Tubular Lock Codes." In 1976 and 1977Fanberg advertised in the manuals in the/Locksmith Ledger/for $49.95and indicated that it would be supplemented as new correlationsbecame known./See/Excerpt at 95-98. About 350 manuals had been soldat the time of trial. The District Court found that Fanberg "hadlost or surrendered control over persons who could purchase thebooks,"/id./at 98, meaning that nonlocksmiths could acquire the codemanuals.The books contain correlations which would allow a person equippedwith a tubular key grinding machine to make duplicate keys for anylisted Ace lock if the serial number of the lock was known. On somemodels, the serial numbers appear on the exterior of the lock face.Thus, Fanberg's manuals would make it considerably easier4*403(andless expensive) for a person to obtain (legitimately orillegitimately) duplicate keys to Ace locks without going throughthe Company's screening process. This is what caused consternationto the Company and some of its customers. At no time did Fanbergseek, or the Company grant, permission to compile and sell the keycodes. Nor did the individual locksmiths seek authorization from theCompany or their customers before transmitting their key code datato Fanberg.On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:more:On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com<mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:It's awesome, free press!On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgrenOh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of"journalism" I have ever seen.Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-pickingschool(actually it teaches you way more), and that this isjust a cheaper version of that? (see:Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilledlock-picking, because it's a waste of time.Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, goto the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just aboutanywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".-RustyOn Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu<anca@techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote:Hi everyone,Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy thatpeople are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
Here is Oakland Local's response:Anca---=-=-=-Anca Mosoiu | Tech LiminalM: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list--Cheers,Rusty Lindgren**_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/ffd03295/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 3Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:06:24 -0800From: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>To: Eddan Katz <eddan@clear.net>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking classMessage-ID: <512FAAB0.7030205@sbcglobal.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"Hi Eddan-So was Ace asserting some kind of copyright or other IP control over thecorrelations between the key codes and the locks? That's funny: likecopyrighting the names & numbers in the phone book;-)What kind of lawful right would Ace have had to control those codes? Idon't see any.Classic case of "security by obscurity" in the face of the data beingopenly available to anyone who just looks. That plus Ace not havingadequate steps in place to verify the identity of people asking forduplicate keys ("security by laziness";-). (As if any burglar is goingto order keys and wait a week to get them, when smashing a windowprovides instant gratification?)Meanwhile, it's since been demonstrated that Ace locks and other tubularlocks of same size, are tremendously easy to pick with a tool anyone canmake from a Bic pen housing.To my mind the main value of learning to pick locks is to become moreaware of one's own security environment: particularly the degree towhich we very often depend on crappy locks, and then, with thenewly-acquired situational awareness about locks, the degree to which wevery often leave open all manner of other security holes in our physicalsurroundings. Nothing says "replace your front door lock now!" likebeing able to pick it with two paper clips in less than a minute. Andthen you look at the big window right next to the front door... and theun-shredded bills you put in the recycle bin with your name & accountnumbers all over them... and the valuables in the back seat of yourcar... etc.Next is the ability to get into places one has auth to be in: such aswhen one locks oneself out of one's own house or car (or in my case, PBXroom on client site after hours, blush...).Equally is the ability to do likewise for friends (have done that ahandful of times).And from that, the generalization to our entire subculture, of thedegree of security awareness we should have all the time.Picking locks is like being able to disassemble, clean, and reassemble afirearm: that skill does not make a law-abiding person startcontemplating committing murders. But it might make one start to thinkmore about personal safety on the streets at night.Lastly, I'll fess up to something. I think it's cool as hell whenpeople who ordinarily hack around with software, start hacking aroundwith _mechanical_ stuff. I'm bigtime in favor of people learning how tohack around with _mechanical_ stuff. "Physical layer" as newplayground. To this list add your home appliances (the ones with motorsin 'em) and rotary dial phones, but that's another topic for another day.TTYs--G.=====
On 13-02-28-Thu 10:35 AM, Eddan Katz wrote:Chicago Lock v. Fanberg is the case I was telling you about lastnight, J.D. -Author of lock-picking manuals gets sued by the manufacturer of thelocks. Chicago Lock loses on its trade secret misappropriation claim.Here's an excerpt from the facts of the case -Appellant Victor Fanberg, the son of locksmith Morris Fanberg anda locksmith in his own right, has published a number of locksmithmanuals for conventional locks. Realizing that no compilation hadbeen made of tubular lock key codes, in 1975 Fanberg advertised ina locksmith journal, /Locksmith Ledger,/ requesting thatindividual locksmiths transmit to him serial number-key codecorrelations in their possession in exchange for a copy of acomplete compilation when finished. A number of locksmithscomplied, and in late 1976 Fanberg and his father began to sell atwo-volume publication of tubular lock codes, including those ofAce locks, entitled "A-Advanced Locksmith's Tubular Lock Codes."In 1976 and 1977 Fanberg advertised in the manuals inthe /Locksmith Ledger/ for $49.95 and indicated that it would besupplemented as new correlations became known. /See/ Excerpt at95-98. About 350 manuals had been sold at the time of trial. TheDistrict Court found that Fanberg "had lost or surrendered controlover persons who could purchase the books," /id./ at 98, meaningthat nonlocksmiths could acquire the code manuals.The books contain correlations which would allow a person equippedwith a tubular key grinding machine to make duplicate keys for anylisted Ace lock if the serial number of the lock was known. Onsome models, the serial numbers appear on the exterior of the lockface. Thus, Fanberg's manuals would make it considerablyeasier4*403 (and less expensive) for a person to obtain(legitimately or illegitimately) duplicate keys to Ace lockswithout going through the Company's screening process. This iswhat caused consternation to the Company and some of itscustomers. At no time did Fanberg seek, or the Company grant,permission to compile and sell the key codes. Nor did theindividual locksmiths seek authorization from the Company or theircustomers before transmitting their key code data to Fanberg.On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:more:On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate<mattsenate@gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:It's awesome, free press!On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgrenOh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of"journalism" I have ever seen.Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to alock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), andthat this is just a cheaper version of that? (see:Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilledlock-picking, because it's a waste of time.Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, goto the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just aboutanywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".-RustyOn Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu<anca@techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote:Hi everyone,Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy thatpeople are learning how to pick locks this weekend.
Here is Oakland Local's response:Anca---=-=-=-Anca Mosoiu | Tech LiminalM: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660>http://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F:_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list--Cheers,Rusty Lindgren**_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/b776beff/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 4Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:22:28 -0800From: Eddan Katz <eddan@clear.net>To: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking classMessage-ID: <53E0AF57-F2E7-4B85-A7F6-825D45B24A58@clear.net>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"They threw everything they could at him, and in the lower court, the Trademark over the name (& logo?) of the company stuck a bit, but was a loser. The trade secret claim, which is under state unfair competition law, was decided in favor of the lock company. Fanberg appealed. This is the opinion from the appellate court reversing the lower court's decision that Fanberg had misappropriated trade secrets.In order to qualify as a trade secret, you need only have confidential stamps on it or physical barrier to secure the what-not. Encrypting something would be a partial de facto way of asserting trade secret protection, most definitely. What counts as eligible to be protected as trade secrets? Most accurately vague definition I can think of is know-how. People often associate it with "the secret sauce" in Coke, Big Macs, etc.. Many of you may have come across it in your employment agreement laying out what you can't take with you when you leave.sent from eddan.comOn Feb 28, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Georgio510 <georgio510@sbcglobal.net> wrote:Hi Eddan-So was Ace asserting some kind of copyright or other IP control over the correlations between the key codes and the locks? That's funny: like copyrighting the names & numbers in the phone book;-)What kind of lawful right would Ace have had to control those codes? I don't see any.Classic case of "security by obscurity" in the face of the data being openly available to anyone who just looks. That plus Ace not having adequate steps in place to verify the identity of people asking for duplicate keys ("security by laziness";-). (As if any burglar is going to order keys and wait a week to get them, when smashing a window provides instant gratification?)Meanwhile, it's since been demonstrated that Ace locks and other tubular locks of same size, are tremendously easy to pick with a tool anyone can make from a Bic pen housing.To my mind the main value of learning to pick locks is to become more aware of one's own security environment: particularly the degree to which we very often depend on crappy locks, and then, with the newly-acquired situational awareness about locks, the degree to which we very often leave open all manner of other security holes in our physical surroundings. Nothing says "replace your front door lock now!" like being able to pick it with two paper clips in less than a minute. And then you look at the big window right next to the front door... and the un-shredded bills you put in the recycle bin with your name & account numbers all over them... and the valuables in the back seat of your car... etc.Next is the ability to get into places one has auth to be in: such as when one locks oneself out of one's own house or car (or in my case, PBX room on client site after hours, blush...).Equally is the ability to do likewise for friends (have done that a handful of times).And from that, the generalization to our entire subculture, of the degree of security awareness we should have all the time.Picking locks is like being able to disassemble, clean, and reassemble a firearm: that skill does not make a law-abiding person start contemplating committing murders. But it might make one start to think more about personal safety on the streets at night.Lastly, I'll fess up to something. I think it's cool as hell when people who ordinarily hack around with software, start hacking around with _mechanical_ stuff. I'm bigtime in favor of people learning how to hack around with _mechanical_ stuff. "Physical layer" as new playground. To this list add your home appliances (the ones with motors in 'em) and rotary dial phones, but that's another topic for another day.TTYs--G.=====On 13-02-28-Thu 10:35 AM, Eddan Katz wrote:Chicago Lock v. Fanberg is the case I was telling you about last night, J.D. - http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17605115413487325945.Author of lock-picking manuals gets sued by the manufacturer of the locks. Chicago Lock loses on its trade secret misappropriation claim. Here's an excerpt from the facts of the case -Appellant Victor Fanberg, the son of locksmith Morris Fanberg and a locksmith in his own right, has published a number of locksmith manuals for conventional locks. Realizing that no compilation had been made of tubular lock key codes, in 1975 Fanberg advertised in a locksmith journal, Locksmith Ledger, requesting that individual locksmiths transmit to him serial number-key code correlations in their possession in exchange for a copy of a complete compilation when finished. A number of locksmiths complied, and in late 1976 Fanberg and his father began to sell a two-volume publication of tubular lock codes, including those of Ace locks, entitled "A-Advanced Locksmith's Tubular Lock Codes." In 1976 and 1977 Fanberg advertised in the manuals in the Locksmith Ledger for $49.95 and indicated that it would be supplemented as new correlations became known. See Excerpt at 95-98. About 350 manuals had been sold at the time of trial. The District Court found that Fanberg "had lost orsurrendered control over persons who could purchase the books," id. at 98, meaning that nonlocksmiths could acquire the code manuals.The books contain correlations which would allow a person equipped with a tubular key grinding machine to make duplicate keys for any listed Ace lock if the serial number of the lock was known. On some models, the serial numbers appear on the exterior of the lock face. Thus, Fanberg's manuals would make it considerably easier4*403 (and less expensive) for a person to obtain (legitimately or illegitimately) duplicate keys to Ace locks without going through the Company's screening process. This is what caused consternation to the Company and some of its customers. At no time did Fanberg seek, or the Company grant, permission to compile and sell the key codes. Nor did the individual locksmiths seek authorization from the Company or their customers before transmitting their key code data to Fanberg.On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:more:On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com> wrote:It's awesome, free press!On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com> wrote:Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism" I have ever seen.Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking, because it's a waste of time.Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is "appalling".-RustyOn Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca@techliminal.com> wrote:Hi everyone,Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.Here is Oakland Local's response:Anca---=-=-=-Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminalhttp://techliminal.com | T: @techliminal | F: facebook.com/techliminal_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list--Cheers,Rusty Lindgren_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list_______________________________________________sudo-discuss mailing list-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/b3b9fea7/attachment-0001.html>------------------------------Message: 5Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:49:45 -0800From: Shawn Lesniak <moderkaka@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking classMessage-ID: <512FB4D9.6070402@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"On 2013-02-28 01:13, Anon195714 wrote:>Re. Shawn:In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or lawenforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist themin doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did.I don't know anything about the radical Quakers and they are in no way alitmus test for the right amount of cooperation with law enforcement.You are in favor of undercover officers at sudoroom events. I amuncomfortable with that in any amount.What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and pointout that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, theycan send someone along to hang out and observe for themselves. Whatthey're going to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschoolmechanical skill. More likely they won't bother, in which case theirobjection can be dismissed as meaningless.The term city is ambiguous here. The mayor endorsed it at some level,then some of her constituents were concerned. Some other people signedup for the class. Oakland is a diverse city.The city government in cooperation with law enforcement is deeply afraidof anarchists. What happens when they look into it further and realizeseveral known anarchists congregate at sudoroom? Maybe you don't carebecause you're not an anarchist, and I'm hesitant to air out my'anarchist' credentials, but I've been beaten by Oakland police forbeing a suspected anarchist. I'm not comfortable with inviting anyonein for surveillance.In addition, whether 'known gang members' are likely to show up or not,the laws are no different for them than for us. If it were my class,and someone told me to only teach white people or people without tattoosor people who aren't wearing black shirts or any other restrictions, I'dtell them to fuck off and if I caught anyone surveilling them I'd kickthem out.Safe space to me means no LE in sudoroom, uniformed or undercover.As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn'tpolice bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests infront of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a youngblack man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class,"about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many areborderline-homeless. A few more "privileges," such as full-time jobsthat pay decent wages, would be a good thing.You don't have to kill someone to ruin their lives. Go out to EastOakland and ask a few people what their experience with LE is. Sit in acourtroom in Oakland for 2 hours and see what people are in jail for.I've seen people spend 2 days in jail for riding their bike on thesidewalk, which can lose you a job.I've had a cop roll up on me aggressively while I was wearing a hood andthen immediately changed his demeanor when he saw I was white and let mego. Life is different for PoC in Oakland. I've seen it myself and I'vespent the time talking to people who are affected.This is why I fight to keep schools open, to improve access to resourcesfor everyone. You close a school, you open a jail. You open a school,you close a jail.-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: signature.ascType: application/pgp-signatureSize: 946 bytesDesc: OpenPGP digital signatureURL: <http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/eb819dff/attachment-0001.pgp>------------------------------Message: 6Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:31:08 -0800From: mark burdett <mark@510pen.org>To: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking classMessage-ID:<CALd=3MLX5DcFU3ThT3dzmCyiQu9OyJSS=mSoB73kRO0dpEvdxw@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"No one is really inviting a detective, right? there are lots of reasons notto. like, I assume many of us have a policy of only talking to LE w/ ourlawyers..The "fundamentals of armed robbery" workshop suggested in the articlescould be quite informative! "fundamentals of computer fraud and abuse"could be interesting too, although according tothereis quite a lot of robbery going on, hardly any "ACCESS COMPUTER/ALTER/ETCDATA:DEVISE SCHEME/ETC DEFRAUD/ETC"--mark B.On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>wrote:Yo's-On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective tohang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just sayHoneypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.OK, so a few recent crime anecdotes:= A close friend's car window was smashed on the side street while we wereup at SudoRoom.= Another close friend's bike was stolen out of the common area.= A neighbor of mine's bike was stolen out of their garage today.= The officer who took the stolen bike report (Berkeley PD) said that thestandard MO these days is for the robber to knock at the door, and if noanswer, kick the door in. If the resident is away it becomes a burglary.If the resident is home, it becomes a home-invasion robbery or worse.= As another close friend of mine once said, "doors are a convenience forpeople who are polite." A strong lock on a strong door with a weak windownearby, is evidence of nothing more or less than a homeowner without theability to imagine how baddies think.I don't see any lock-picking going on in any of those. As a method ofcommitting crimes, lock-picking is obsolete.And I do see an opportunity for some positive outreach to Mayor Quan'soffice, re. the opportunity for having a detective attend the event. Thiswould be similar to how Quaker activist groups handled their plans forprotests, by keeping the relevant LE agencies informed. When I lived inNew England, I saw this first-hand, and it worked. Protests organized bythose groups were successful, every time.Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov, andwant to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?-G.=====On 13-02-27-Wed 11:26 PM, Tommy York wrote:"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these daysis the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent lastyear, and not all of them involved window smashes."This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involvedwindow smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lockpicking?Mencken would be angry.- tommy-----------------Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire@gmail.com>wrote:more:On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com>wrote:It's awesome, free press!On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.comwrote:Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"I have ever seen.Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-pickingschool(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaperversion of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,because it's a waste of time.Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to theshooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, butpicking a Masterlock is "appalling".-RustyOn Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca@techliminal.com>wrote:Hi everyone,Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people arelearning how to pick locks this weekend.
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