FWIW, the Trib's reporter's email is: martz@bayareanewsgroup.com

And no, I don't know him. :-)

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3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)
5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)
6. Membership dues - payment options! (Tommy York)
7. Sudo Room Signage (Eddan Katz)
8. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren)
9. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren)
10. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (hep)
11. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)


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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:31:37 -0800
From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire@gmail.com>
To: Tommy York <tommy.york@gmail.com>
Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked
locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something
along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".

Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve picked
locks.




On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york@gmail.com> wrote:

"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days
is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
year, and not all of them involved window smashes."

This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
picking?

Mencken would be angry.

- tommy
-----------------
Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire@gmail.com>wrote:

more:




On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com>wrote:

It's awesome, free press!


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com
wrote:

Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"
I have ever seen.

Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).

Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
because it's a waste of time.

Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
picking a Masterlock is "appalling".

-Rusty


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca@techliminal.com>wrote:

Hi everyone,

Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
learning how to pick locks this weekend.


Here is Oakland Local's response:



Anca


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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:50:47 -0800
From: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco@aya.yale.edu>
To: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <zamfire@gmail.com>
Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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If you knew how many different break-in methods the OPD recognizes, you'd
have an estimate, then.


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire@gmail.com> wrote:

I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked
locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something
along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".

Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve
picked locks.




On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york@gmail.com> wrote:

"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days
is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
year, and not all of them involved window smashes."

This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
picking?

Mencken would be angry.

- tommy
-----------------
Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire@gmail.com>wrote:

more:




On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com>wrote:

It's awesome, free press!


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <

Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"
I have ever seen.

Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).

Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
because it's a waste of time.

Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
picking a Masterlock is "appalling".

-Rusty


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca@techliminal.com>wrote:

Hi everyone,

Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
learning how to pick locks this weekend.



Here is Oakland Local's response:



Anca


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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:52:37 -0800
From: Georgio510 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
To: Tommy York <tommy.york@gmail.com>
Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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Yo's-

On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.

OK, so a few recent crime anecdotes:

= A close friend's car window was smashed on the side street while we
were up at SudoRoom.
= Another close friend's bike was stolen out of the common area.
= A neighbor of mine's bike was stolen out of their garage today.
= The officer who took the stolen bike report (Berkeley PD) said that
the standard MO these days is for the robber to knock at the door, and
if no answer, kick the door in. If the resident is away it becomes a
burglary. If the resident is home, it becomes a home-invasion robbery
or worse.
= As another close friend of mine once said, "doors are a convenience
for people who are polite." A strong lock on a strong door with a weak
window nearby, is evidence of nothing more or less than a homeowner
without the ability to imagine how baddies think.

I don't see any lock-picking going on in any of those. As a method of
committing crimes, lock-picking is obsolete.

And I do see an opportunity for some positive outreach to Mayor Quan's
office, re. the opportunity for having a detective attend the event.
This would be similar to how Quaker activist groups handled their plans
for protests, by keeping the relevant LE agencies informed. When I
lived in New England, I saw this first-hand, and it worked. Protests
organized by those groups were successful, every time.

Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?

-G.


=====


On 13-02-27-Wed 11:26 PM, Tommy York wrote:
"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these
days is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40
percent last year, and not all of them involved window smashes."

This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled
lock picking?

Mencken would be angry.

- tommy
-----------------
Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire@gmail.com

more:



On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate
<mattsenate@gmail.com <mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com>> wrote:

It's awesome, free press!


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren
<rustylindgren@gmail.com <mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com>> wrote:

Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
"journalism" I have ever seen.

Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a
lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and
that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see:

Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled
lock-picking, because it's a waste of time.

Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts,
go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about
anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is
"appalling".

-Rusty


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu
<anca@techliminal.com <mailto:anca@techliminal.com>> wrote:

Hi everyone,

Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that
people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.


Here is Oakland Local's response:


Anca


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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:09:43 -0800
From: Shawn Lesniak <moderkaka@gmail.com>
To: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
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On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:

Yo's-

On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
...
Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?

I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom
events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on
reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not
any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a
class than one of the more privileged class.

-Shawn

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:13:20 -0800
From: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
To: Shawn Lesniak <moderkaka@gmail.com>
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Re. Shawn:

In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or law
enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them
in doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did.

What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and point
out that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, they
can send someone along to hang out and observe for themselves. What
they're going to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschool
mechanical skill. More likely they won't bother, in which case their
objection can be dismissed as meaningless.

(BTW, I've known how to pick locks since my naughty phone phreak days in
highschool, when the word "tweet" was slang for the 2600-Hz "clear
tandem" signal, not a friggin' commercial brand for neo-telegrams
dressed up as something cutting-edge.)

As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":
that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't
police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in
front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young
black man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class,"
about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are
borderline-homeless. A few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs
that pay decent wages, would be a good thing.

-G.


=====



On 13-02-28-Thu 12:09 AM, Shawn Lesniak wrote:
On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:
Yo's-

On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.
...
Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?
I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom
events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on
reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not
any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a
class than one of the more privileged class.

-Shawn



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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:31:47 -0800
From: Tommy York <tommy.york@gmail.com>
To: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] Membership dues - payment options!
Message-ID:
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Hey everyone,

Please pay membership dues when you get a chance. I updated the WePay
campaign page, so you can again donate money / pay membership dues (with a
new total in the percentage widget covering February actual and projected
March), and can collect checks whenever you see me. I live two blocks away,
so I'm more than happy to just run over if I'm not getting anything done.

At the moment, I'm trying to collect all the payment information, so I can
develop a member list for February. Paying in advance for March is always
nice too.

I think we'll be starting a sudo-fund - another, separate sub-listserv -
soon, which will discuss ideas for funding Sudoroom. Projects, processes,
the like.

Unrelated, a DJ'd set by one of the founders of Throbbing Gristle:
https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-15-2

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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:13:03 -0800
From: Eddan Katz <eddan@clear.net>
To: artmurmur@lists.sudoroom.org, sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] Sudo Room Signage
Message-ID: <D5F4EB2F-20C8-4197-A941-33AD909CB69B@clear.net>
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We should put up signage for Sudo Room on the Broadway side of the building.

We've already asked George about whether it would be OK to put it on the arched awning above the 2141 Broadway door and have the go ahead.

Apparently, if we use the same white on blue format, there are no additional costs. Other colored designs would require Sudo room being registered with the city & have to take part in paying for insurance for the building (albeit proportional).

Does anyone have the tools necessary to make the stencil? Anyone up for painting over the stencil in the bear future? In fact, if it's trivial to do - might make sense to try and get it done by Art Murmur tomorrow night.


sent from eddan.com

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:28:30 -0800
From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com>
To: Anthony Di Franco <di.franco@aya.yale.edu>
Cc: sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org>
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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Actually, based on their argument it isn't logical at all, because they
don't promote gun education as a bad thing. If they are going to promote
this as bad. How many murders involved skilled gun use?

It's totally morally inconsistent, and also is something legal you can do
at a professional trade school. Tool teaches a trade and by the logic of
threat, it's self-defense(i.e. lock-pick forensics, getting better locks,
knowing what to look for and all).

I honestly can't think of anything more fraudulent in terms of journalism
than this.

-Rusty

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Anthony Di Franco
<di.franco@aya.yale.edu>wrote:

If you knew how many different break-in methods the OPD recognizes, you'd
have an estimate, then.


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire@gmail.com>wrote:

I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked
locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something
along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".

Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve
picked locks.




On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <tommy.york@gmail.com>wrote:

"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days
is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last
year, and not all of them involved window smashes."

This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved
window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock
picking?

Mencken would be angry.

- tommy
-----------------
Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <zamfire@gmail.com>wrote:

more:




On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <mattsenate@gmail.com>wrote:

It's awesome, free press!


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <

Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of
"journalism" I have ever seen.

Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking
school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
version of that? (see: http://www.lock411.com/training.html).

Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,
because it's a waste of time.

Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the
shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but
picking a Masterlock is "appalling".

-Rusty


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <anca@techliminal.com>wrote:

Hi everyone,

Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are
learning how to pick locks this weekend.



Here is Oakland Local's response:



Anca


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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:30:21 -0800
From: rusty lindgren <rustylindgren@gmail.com>
To: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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+1 for both of you... This is a skilled trade. The police don't show up at
lock-smith schools. Just relabel the training skilled trade workshops.
Done.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <georgio510@sbcglobal.net>wrote:


Re. Shawn:

In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or law
enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them in
doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did.

What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and point out
that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, they can send
someone along to hang out and observe for themselves. What they're going
to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschool mechanical skill.
More likely they won't bother, in which case their objection can be
dismissed as meaningless.

(BTW, I've known how to pick locks since my naughty phone phreak days in
highschool, when the word "tweet" was slang for the 2600-Hz "clear tandem"
signal, not a friggin' commercial brand for neo-telegrams dressed up as
something cutting-edge.)

As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":
that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't
police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in
front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young black
man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3
of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A
few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would
be a good thing.

-G.


=====




On 13-02-28-Thu 12:09 AM, Shawn Lesniak wrote:

On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:

Yo's-

On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective
to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say
Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.


...

Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,
and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?

I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom
events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on
reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not
any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a
class than one of the more privileged class.

-Shawn




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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:35:27 -0800
From: hep <dis@gruntle.org>
To: Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>wrote:




As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":
that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't
police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in
front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young black
man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3
of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A
few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would
be a good thing.

What's up sudoroomers? Hugely concerned about all the racist, classist, and
privileged BS that was spouted in this paragraph right here.

-hep
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Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:40:37 -0800
From: Georgio510 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net>
To: hep <dis@gruntle.org>
Cc: sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org
Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class
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Re. Hep:

Rather than just sling a sentence-full of unsupported ad-hominems (clue:
ad-homs = you lose), how'bout unpacking that nonsense and spelling it out?

Assertion: gang violence kills more young black men than police do.
That's an assertion of fact. If you don't like it, you're welcome to
try to disprove it. Go get some numbers.

Question: where are the protests over gang violence? The question
stands. Show us a mass protest at a known gang house after a
particularly egregious shooting.

A young black guy I knew was killed in a drive-by. Ever hear of Tupac
Shakur? I was one of his 2nd Engs. at Starlight Studios in Richmond.
He was ferociously brilliant. Murdered at age 25.

"Privileged": about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed and many are
borderline homeless. Admittedly that's a rough estimate. But if you
don't like my numbers, get some better ones.

Full-time jobs at decent wages would be a good thing: What don't you
like about that? Gandhi once said "Western civilization would be a good
thing." I say worker solidarity would be a good thing. But you can't
have worker solidarity until people have work. A job at decent wages
isn't a privilege, it's a human right. And hackers picking up more
trade-skills is also a good thing.

Let's take this to private email so we don't digress the list.

-G.



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On 13-02-28-Thu 8:35 AM, hep wrote:



On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <anon195714@sbcglobal.net




As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged
class": that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in
Oakland isn't police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the
outraged protests in front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't
an abstraction: a young black man I knew was killed in a
drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3 of SudoRoom
members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A few
more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages,
would be a good thing.




What's up sudoroomers? Hugely concerned about all the racist,
classist, and privileged BS that was spouted in this paragraph right
here.

-hep

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