No, actual solution: people who are attached to a certain idea of a hackerspace give a hard time to people who aren&#39;t/ had a different idea. People on each side decide whether and how much to adjust their behavior or beliefs to avoid future interpersonal unpleasantness. <span></span><br>
<br>On Sunday, July 7, 2013, Jehan Tremback  wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Possible solution: Trademark the term &quot;hackerspace&quot;, sue those who do not meet stringent ideological requirements.</div>
<div><br><br><div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>hackerspaces are combination office space and utopian capital sharing experiment, not to be confused with just shared work space. A place where &quot;all you get is a desk and an internet connection&quot; isn&#39;t a hackerspace, it&#39;s just a shared work space, even if the people are doing programming for work. <br>



</div>I&#39;m not surprised at all to see someone who&#39;s into hackerspaces for the second reason get annoyed when he thinks a hackerspce is getting confused with a work space. <br></div><div><div>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, David Rorex <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>drorex@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div dir="ltr">Seriously, give the guy a break. It&#39;s attitudes like Marc&#39;s that drive away people from the &quot;true&quot; hackerspaces. Live and let live: just because his space has a different organizational model than yours doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s some sort of evil masterplan to steal all your members and get rich by squeezing money out of them. There are spaces in sf / oakland that charge $250 a month and all you get is a desk and an internet connection. There&#39;s room for a whole spectrum of spaces in the bay area. Mitch Altman&#39;s dream is a day where there are more hackerspaces than liquor stores.<div>





<br><br><div><div><div>On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steve Berl <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>steveberl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div>

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Seems like sort of a blend of Tech Liminal, Techshop, and a hacker space. Not clear why you think it&#39;s a bad thing. I don&#39;t see it claiming to be anything that it is not. <div><br></div><div>Steve<div><div>

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On Monday, July 1, 2013, Marc Juul  wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM, J.C. <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>r33lmm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>






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<div><div><div><div>On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Darren Overby <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a>darren@rockitcolabs.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

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<div>Excuse the interruption Noisebridge fans, </div><div><br></div><div>In the interest of possible cross-pollination, I wanted to let you know about a new place to hack - <a href="http://www.rockitcolabs.com/noisebridge-invite" target="_blank">RocSounds like a crap attempt at kIT CoLabs</a>.   </div>










</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Co-working? yes<br></div><div><br>Makerspace? yah<br></div><div><br>Tech startups? check<br></div><div><br>$200 monthly dues? yep<br><br>For profit? nothing stated to the contrary. seems likely.<br>







</div><div><br>Hierarchical organizational structure? assumed guilty until proven innocent<br></div><div><br>Attempt to make their business venture more successful by luring in hackers from local non-profits? sounds like it<br>







<br></div><div>&quot;People frequently ask me how I came to be such an unconventional thinker
 and unusual serial entrepreneur. ... &quot; -- Darren Overby<br><br></div><div>By being unusually modest? No? Oh, wait, is the answer: By co-opting existing open communities into for-profit organizations?<br></div><div>







<br>If this is actually a non-hierarchical non-profit, then color me embarrassed.<br><br>Someone please let me know that I&#39;m wrong. Please.<br><br>-- <br></div><div>Marc<br></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div></div></div><span><font color="#888888"><br><br>-- <br>-steve<br>
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