Hey all,

I appreciate everyone's time and energy, all of the BAPS publians including David Keenan, sudoers especially and namely Jordan, among many others, and all other Omni-nomers.

However, I will state my resistance flat-out.

I am unconvinced the current group of The Omni Collective will be able to pay the necessary rent each month, including that there is enough and sufficient types of space for each member of the collective. I have not seen any concrete information presented to sudo room to build my confidence in this regard.

Also, I do not see any type of formal proposal from The Omni Collective (passed through our representative) to the general sudo room membership meeting. I don't feel like we are engaged in consensus-building across the member collectives, but rather, a pressure campaign to move forward without (what are to me) the baseline, dead-simple, plain-stated elements of any new agreement. I don't know why we are discussing prospective, aggressive move-in dates when we don't have bearing on the actual agreement we may be engaging in.

I need answers to the following questions and do not think we should move forward with The Omni without them:

What are the terms of the lease (i.e. the full contract)?

Includes lease length (2 years, 3 years?) and terms of dissolution.
Landlord in or out?
Rent-to-own option or not?

What are the terms of space usage?

Who moves where?
Which areas are exclusive (private) or inclusive (common)?

What is the protocol for conflicts and concerns between (or across members of) Omni Oakland sub-collectives?

Additionally, what rights and responsibilities do members of the public (or as I usually say for sudo, which I think applies here, "prospective members" of any of our collectives) have?
Can one be affiliated and pursue membership rights and responsibilities in the space without being a member of an existing collective or pursuing a new collective to add to the Omni Oakland body?
Note: this is of immediate importance, not hypothetical, regarding existing individuals interested in The Omni without any collective affiliation.

Do the member collectives' pledges of payment hold water?

For existing member collectives can we start collecting rent contributions immediately (to be paid forward to rent after any agreed-upon contract is signed)?
Note: this also focuses on building capital for the existence of an Omni Collective regardless of location. It's also a typical hackerspace pattern, though one sudo room did not quite manage for a slurry of interesting reasons.

Note: Any responses are encouraged to be creative. Perhaps you could argue that some of these questions can be answered by an after-move-in process, and if you outline and suggest such a process, I would love to hear and ponder it.

Ultimately, we need to engage with the very wide sudo room community to build consensus on our future, not just The Omni's future. Without the information above, I don't believe we will be able to sustain collectivism and the process of building shared vision, the precursors and real-time-generators to a thriving community.

Finally, I am making such strong statements because the suggestion of this aggressive timeframe also affects sudo room's ability to move out of our current space in the mean time. If June move-in for The Omni becomes a pipe dream, we could have gone elsewhere in the meantime before eventually moving into The Omni, say, September (for instance).

// Matt

On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Maximilian Klein <isalix@gmail.com> wrote:

*vibey fingers* for Omni. Yar, you have been an amazing delegate and let this serve as a renewal of my confidence and consent.

El 13/04/2014 08:23, "Hol Gaskill" <hol@gaskill.com> escribió:

nice - we are basically there! phil i think having a more longterm spot with better access and a critical mass of humans would increase membership. we started with a cubby at techliminal, then moved to a closet and fishbowl at 2135 broadway with intermittent use of a conference table. now we are in a ~25x40' room with a large common area. there has been some synergy with BAPS which i think is undeniable and has boosted membership and activity for both organizations. combining more groups would bring us up on the radar of even more people who would want to support our various causes. assuming other groups keep up their end of the arrangement, we should be able to sustain our end of the responsibilities. the more we offer, the more people become interested. if you build it, they will come. that's alot said in the declarative but i believe it all to be true.

on Apr 12, 2014, Yar <yardenack@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Hol Gaskill <hol@gaskill.com> wrote:
>> can you break down the costs for us? i followed the link to the wiki but didn't
>> see it. I remember $2k/month as one number being thrown around for sudo
>> room's share. Right now we are right around $1.5k/mo on gittip which does
>> not cover our current operating expenses. that said i'm sure membership
>> would skyrocket at the omni. can you summarize the numbers for us here?
>
>Sudo has pledged $2k/month. Keep in mind that unlike our current
>lease, this amount covers all expenses from rent to utilities to
>general maintenance, etc, which the Omni Collective will be
>responsible for. Our total monthly expenses are already close to that:
>
>$1,704.25 December
>$1,721.58 January
>$1,756.53 February
>$1,710.50 March
>$1,888.90 April
>
>I think the extra expense will be a no-brainer, will pay for itself,
>and will actually be a far better deal than what we're getting now for
>our money. :)
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