BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?
CLEMENTE: "No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.
BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.
CLEMENTE: "No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not."
"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak"
Rabbit & Yo's-
Here's another vote for "yes we should have a list that's not indexed by Google."
Given the choice between posting to a list that's a direct surveillance-feed and one that isn't, many of us will take our discussion to the latter. (Would you rather cuddle with your friends under a surveillance camera, or under a tree?)
But let's not call it "ephemeral," because that word, in this context, is a white flag of surrender. It's surrender to the idea that Google is the one and only keeper of cultural memory, and anything else is merely transient. It's surrender to corporate power and the control state.
We should assert the right to our own collective memory, stored on our own devices, accessible to our own community. The place for the kind of broadcast that becomes an appetizer on Big Brother's cannibal menu, is when the broadcast is something that'll give Big Brother indigestion.
Let Google eat our manifestos, proclamations, and press releases. But not our soul-searches, our occasional bickering, our existential angst, or our vulnerable self-revealing philosophizing about sex, religion, and the meaning of life.
-G.
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On 13-05-05-Sun 5:16 PM, Rabbit wrote:
Just a reminder that the archives of this list are indexed by Google.
(For this reason I'm keeping pretty quiet here. Would anyone else like to have a list which is not indexed? How about "sudo-ephemeral"?)
-Rabbit
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