Steve

On Monday, November 4, 2013, Eddan Katz wrote:

I've read about software-defined radio making interference problems negligible (can't find anything in particular at the moment - but most coming from the IEEE publications).

I'd be interested whether others (a) understood if this is true; (b) knew of affordable SDR equipment; and/or (c) thought this would solve the problem.

Sidenote: While streaming-only radio stations do not have to deal with spectrum licensing issues, their Internet presence make broadcasting anyone else's copyrighted content a complicated and either expensive or risky endeavor.

sent from eddan.com

On 2013-11-04 12:52, Hol Gaskill wrote:

it does seem philosophically better to provide content on an opt-in
basis via existing RF links than to simply radiate it in every
direction and block that portion of the spectrum from other uses

on Nov 04, 2013, ANTHONY DI FRANCO <di.franco@gmail.com> wrote:

This sounds a lot like the mesh networking projects, which move away
from broadcasting as fundamental and rebase broadcasting in a
peer-to-peer context, and are already oriented the right ways
technically and with respect to regulations for those goals.
On Nov 4, 2013 11:31 AM, "David Keenan" <dkeenan44@gmail.com [23]>
wrote:

I find myself most sympathetic to Naomi's position - although I do
still think FM as a medium has some romance and cool left in it, I
don't know that it's actually worth it, given the cost and effort.

Completely naiive riffing follows, but -- since decentralizing
information and the means of production are (for me) integral to
freeing information / culture.. if one wanted to recolonize the
airwaves, I wonder if it might be possible to simply distribute
LPFM?

Ie, give people a small appliance that transceives internet radio
into LPFM or way lower-power radio, ie just for their block /
neighborhood / whathaveyou.. A device that doesn't take a whole
lot of power, that is innately not geographically bounded, and can
become a diaspora of signal. And not necessarily legal but
decentralized and dispersed.. if enough folks did this in
aggregate in a given neighborhood or community, could that
collectively function coverage-wise as a single relatively strong
broadcast / antenna?

Has anyone tried anything similar, or does this even make sense..?

dreamin'

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol@gaskill.com
[20]> wrote:

agree on not having transmitter co-located with hq. dropping
repeaters nearby can also prevent pinpointing by birds overhead.

on Nov 03, 2013, NAOMI MOST <pnaomi@gmail.com [17]> wrote:

Dudes I was THERE managing tech for Pirate Cat went that all
went
down. See also:

http://nthmost.com/2011/04/radio-valencia-the-little-radio-station-that-could/

[1]

The major difference here to what was suggested above is that
Pirate
Cat hosted its antenna in many many different places over the
years.
We moved it every 3 months or so. And 95% of the membership
didn't
know where it was.

My point was to ask the question WHY put up the antenna at
all.

The return on investment for putting up an antenna --
particularly,
one physically located at the locus of control as opposed to
offsite
somewhere like in a van or something -- is pretty abysmal.
Listenership to the airwaves continues to drop.

If you decided to jam some corporate radio station, you'd be
implicating Sudo Room and the feds would come down on it
sooner or
later.

If you just wanted to squat some frequency in the lower band,
you'd
have an abysmal listenership at the cost of the power of
operating the
antenna.

It's just not that compelling an exercise for the amount of
risk.
Not for me, anyway. I guess a lot of people still feel that
the
airwaves are somehow inherently exciting.

--Naomi

On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Gregg Horton
<greggahorton@gmail.com [2]> wrote:
> We agree on absolutely nothing so I abstain

On Nov 3, 2013 5:17 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne"

<g2g-public01@att.net [3]> wrote:

>>

If someone or a group wants to propose or operate a radio

station in an

act of peaceful civil disobedience, they should research

the regs, laws,

and potential penalties, and talk with an attorney who has

represented
>> clients who have engaged in similar acts in the past. That
would be a

project for a group that is not formally identical with SR.

The most successful peaceful civil disobedience actions in

the past
>> fifty years have been conducted by people who were not
only

well-grounded in principles, but also had trained

themselves in how to

interact in a peaceful and effective manner with all of the

people they
>> would come into contact with, including law enforcement
and government

officials. The civil rights movement and the Clamshell

Alliance

anti-nuclear group are excellent examples to study, and

much of their
>> material can be found online.

All of that said, online/internet radio is still the

fastest way to

reach an audience with no geographic limits or regulatory

risks, and

spreading the word is easy. Linkage with other online

broadcasters can
>> build up a seamless network with 24/7/365 coverage.

To challenge the existing AM/FM broadcast status-quo, will

inevitably

require challenging station licenses in order to re-capture

spectrum.
>> And the best place to start is by challenging the crowding
of spectrum

by multiple redundant right-wing religious broadcasters.<

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/10/fcc-fines-monkey-man-radio-pirate-10k-war-continues/

[4]
>> >

>
> The point is, if sudoroom decides as a group to broadcast

a signal

> from the roof or wherever (we can stream over the

internet you know)

> then sudoroom can decide for itself whether it wants to

keep going
>> > after getting a "ten day notice to cease broadcasting"
If that EVER

> happens.
>
>

http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-264276A1.html

[5]
>> >

> and if a broadcast is not coming from the building where

sudoroom is,

> then it is not even a matter for sudoroom to have to

decide on.

> Sudoroom can continue to have an internet streaming radio

station and
>> > leave it at that.

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