Praveen, that's an excellent suggestion. Thank you for your nuanced and sensitive response. Would anyone on the list who identifies as Hispanic like to help with that?This discussion hinges on the issue of whether there is a difference between disrespectful cultural appropriation (e.g. Native-themed all-white frat parties) and respectful culture-inspired artistic and social explorations. Unlike Sonja, most of my lived experience has been in areas with much more Hispanic influence than the Bay Area. In New Mexico, I didn't hear anyone voice offense at whites celebrating DDM, because we were the minority and acknowledged as part of the community--our participation carried no threat because Hispanics were the often-dominant majority. Also, there were so many people of mixed ancestry, white-skinned Mexicans, and brown skinned non-Hispanic Native peoples that there was no issue of anyone being assumed to have "no understanding" of the holiday.Also, I have seen the issue of race-as-culture be very much used to oppress people of color in historically white European countries where people of color can live in the country for 3+ generations and still not be viewed as, for example "really French."Anyway, for now I'll revise the flyer. Just wait ten years until we get to transhumans vs. primate-body-identified humans. That will be an interesting discussion.--On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:59 PM, yar <yardenack@gmail.com> wrote:On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Sonja Trauss <sonja.trauss@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just didn't want to seem aggressive or like I'm trying to troll the list
> or criticize you in public.
Replying privately with an argument is in some ways more aggressive
than replying on the list. It can make people feel cornered, makes it
harder for them to call for backup, and can potentially enable
triangulation gaslighting. Please ask for explicit permission from
people before starting private email arguments.
> But since you do - can you explain a thing I always wonder about when I read
> authoritative statements about "My Culture" -
> What should I make of Hispanics that don't agree with you - Hispanics who do
> not care who celebrates their holidays, or Hispanics who don't feel
> particularly connected to their holidays? Which one of you speaks for all
> Hispanics?
Speaking from an identity position is not the same as "I speak for
everybody who shares my identity." Missing a subtle but important
distinction like that and then haranguing somebody else over it, is
the hallmark of a well-played troll. You've been warned several times
on this list for creepy racist behavior. Please end it once and for
all. Thank you.
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