This is the last email I will include sudodisxuss on for this thread...

Darin is currently undergoing mediation, and should be given the chance to do so before a ban goes through.

I have a blocking concern for such a ban on darin....

My belief that darin can change enough, however slowly, is justified and potent.

I have seen he already has. In front of me at least, he no longer misgenders anyone, including those ppl he previously had, after we discussed it one night. Even if he's pissed at them. An immediate improvement from the heart and higher self layered under psychic shit like we all have to deal with just like him, is what I see...He is actively working, works hard in general and physically protects ppl from harassment daily.

Misgendering:
I too have been editing "he" for "them" with you Wildcat, because your gender pronoun is recent news to me as well as to many others.
I strive to use They, bc of respect for trans identity in general, and ALSO camaraderie with you.
But it takes a little time, and it is in good faith with continuous editing on my part, as it is for others.
I'm really sorry you are hurt by misgendering and will do my best to correct the instances I witness. As I'm sure Darin will too,  now that this information is available

Sexual Language:
Darin is working on this too. I have twice hung out with darin and neded to comment on his comments, asking him to hold his tongue, bc it was TMI about his sexual thoughts.
It was not safe space language, and I asked him to.hold his tongue, but not an implication of action either, more like expression.
Without FAIL he immediately apologizes and aims to hold back such comments. He is actively learning what to reserve to his private thoughts and I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart...

Thus, I have a blocking.concern for this ban suggested for Darin

Love, seriously, love,

On Sun, Apr 05, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Torrie Fischer <tdfischer@hackerbots.net> wrote:

Theres community issues, then theres "issues that involve the hundreds of
people subscribed to sudo-discuss".

This is not one of those issues. I have no involvement with this. I don't want
to get involved with this. I'd honestly rather not hear about who is fighting
who, or see people tearing down each other in public. I'd rather just hack a
thing and assume that Sudo Room is a happy cheery place that has their shit
together and everyone gets along.

My Ƀ0.02.

On Saturday, April 04, 2015 03:37:39 PM WIld Cat wrote:
> These are community issues not personal issues.
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Tracy Jacobs <kinetical@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Sudoers,
> >
> > Respectfully can I suggest that you find another way to address issues of
> > a personal nature and character assassinations or public shaming other
> > than
> > this public mailing list?  Why anyone would want to go to Sudo room after
> > reading this  mailing list is beyond my comprehension.  And it really is a
> > great place.  Can anyone think of another venue for these types of
> > discussions?
> >
> > Tracy
> > On Apr 4, 2015, at 2:41 PM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Daren returned to the space about 20 mins after trying to re-enter and
> > said to me " Do you want to go a couplwe blocks away from here and handle
> > this like an adult."
> >
> > Pidgen is claiming that I threatened her and I did tell her that "you need
> > to chill out or some shit is going to happen" but I also clarified by
> > saying "I am not threatening you with any form of violence."
> >
> > Darin is claiming that Babs sexually assaulted someone but Darin did not
> > give any details of what happened.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM, WIld Cat <wildcatofthewoods@gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >> Today Pidgen was asked to leave in violation of the safer spaces policy
> >> on an admitted account of sexual assault in the past as well as recent
> >> behaviors of harassment. Daren was asked to leave in violation of the
> >> safer
> >> spaces policy by aggressive  behavior (aggressive swearing, intentional
> >> misgendering, inappropriate sexual comments (Told me in an aggressive way
> >> that he liked phone sex, than began to yell at me.) He has had a history
> >> of
> >> being banned from spaces for similar behaviors of sexual harassment and
> >> inappropriate behavior.
> >>
> >> I would like to begin a mediation process for Daren and I do not feel
> >> safe with him being in the space during such process.
> >>
> >> To my knowledge there is an ongoing mediation between Pidgen and Centi.
> >> that Pidgen has allegedly violated due to harassing behavior. Pidgen has
> >> been banned from several other radical spaces for entitlement problems -
> >> theft - aggressive behaivor - accountability issues.
> >> I do not feel safe in the presences of Pidgen and would call on the
> >> community to permanently ban Pidgen.
> >
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