here hear, to an extent which will soon ave been somewhat greater than i now have the wit to encrypt...


meaning, i fully fully agree in theory, and in practice am learning.  

i was however dreaming off and on of a way to interact with the fb ers -- comments and such -- without being on fb...


On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:04 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01@att.net> wrote:

The obvious solution is:  Use a FB link to reach people who are on FB, and a non-FB link to a non-FB site for people who won't go anywhere near FB. 

There's no problem with each of those being a separate link to a separate destination, because when a meeting occurs F2F, whoever shows up, shows up.  It doesn't matter whether they got there from FB, non-FB, or a flyer taped to a telephone pole.

As for "everyone is being tracked," not those of us who have installed a bunch of anti-tracking software and turned up all our privacy settings to 11.

The "everyone is being tracked (implied: so therefore give up)" meme is like the "don't bother with safe sex" meme during the early days of the HIV/AIDS pandemic, when people were getting infected and dying in large numbers.  Fatalism is defeatism.  Prevention is easy and free.


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On 13-09-28-Sat 10:45 PM, johanna faust wrote:
acetownes: please do.  here's the link:

DIS-INTER-Face-Book-MEDI-A-TION

Andrew: i get that, i do.  keep wishing forf some sort of interface, though, so that the people who are not on it are easily included.  fully functional for both, comments and all, but integrateable with fb so that the fb people don't balk.  


which they do, it seems, when they have to leave fb.  why is that?  can't they just open a new tab?  i wonder if the rest of the ineternet is more welcoming now that everyone knows everyone is being tracked, rather than just knowing fb does it,,,,




On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Andrew <andrew@roshambomedia.com> wrote:
Problem is, people use facebook. People who you might want to reach out to. If you don't use facebook to get your message across you can really only hope to preach to the choir. Tools are meant to be used, It's true that now a days the tools find ways of using us, but we need to find ways of understanding and mitigating that instead of just not using them at all.


On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:06 PM, johanna faust <female.faust@gmail.com> wrote:

well said andrew, but, i think i'm with GtwoG PublicOhOne on this one.  


Dis-inter-facebook-mediation


i understand that many find FB useful as a tool, and agree that organization in the face of the Panopticon, like living well, is a most excellent way to tell it to get fucked.  where i begin to object is to that organization happening primarily in that virtual environment, instead of a point being made to make the organizational center one that makes no assumptions of membership prerequisite to use, to full functionality.


my objection to FB isn't (just) because of the ubiquitous and now (at last!) publicly acknowledged surveillance state.  not even primarily.  


it is, for me, an intuitive understanding of the unexamined and unrestrained use of such traitorous corporate bullshit. of the self loathing that is the easy consequence.  of the alienation, the feelings of worthlessness and despair, the subliminal reinforcement of which is structurally built in, taken for granted, assumed, by anyone wanting to make use of this so called "tool."


what does it say to fully embrace a tool that so denigrates, disregards, and openly mocks those qualities of human communication, of the human spirit, that it cannot effectively monetize, influence, and/or control?


FB interposes its sickness with the unwavering and obvious purpose of an opt-in, always-on, depthless and fickle intermediation as useless as a form of true creative expression as it is a source of real nourishment.  


the medium is the message.  


i believe the ceo of fb called the very end users upon whose aggregate data he built his empire "dumb fucks."


i realize i am ranting.  i feel, however, that rants such as this are needed.  every individual and unique soul's version of such a rant, displayed prominently wherever and whenever faces are booked, would be the beginning of a much needed healing.  


a counterweight. so we can open the windows.  so we can communicate freely.  so we can begin to refuse to be sold without our fully informed, self respecting consent.




*ahem* 

thanks everyone who read that for your attention and consideration......... midwives, all of you, that just helped bring another blog post into the world.





On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <andrew@roshambomedia.com> wrote:

communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self and use your tools wisely.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca@gmail.com> wrote:

Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan@clear.net> wrote:

Paradoxical, at best.

See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio

Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the public with known surveillance camera live streaming.

Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO.


sent from eddan.com

On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <louis.huang@aegia.nu> wrote:

While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another tool for communication after all.

Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct. 2nd,  i do believe.

- Louie

On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes@gmail.com> wrote:

Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool. But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if you prefer.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01@att.net> wrote:

A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on FACEBOOK....?

My irony meter just pegged.  That was a joke, right?  


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On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <andrew@roshambomedia.com> wrote:
communication is powerful. If everyone is too afraid to communicate in the open, it's trivial to confuse, divide, and conquer. Think for your self and use your tools wisely.


On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca <tony.barreca@gmail.com> wrote:
Hiding out in the open is an old, and often preferred, strategy.



On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan@clear.net> wrote:
Paradoxical, at best.
See, "Isn't It Ironic, Fixed" at http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio

Reminder - this is a publicly archived list, and in this case containing an announcement for an open strategy meeting, set in a place open to the public with known surveillance camera live streaming.

Given what we now know about the NSA, nearly all communication tools we now use straddle this paradox. Those tools without an illusion of privacy, such as Facebook Events, are in fact more straightforward regarding expectations of privacy, IMHO.


sent from eddan.com

On Sep 25, 2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <louis.huang@aegia.nu> wrote:

While I do find the irony, lets cut them some slack. It's just another tool for communication after all.

Fyi, ACLU and the EFF are giving a lecture at the public school on Oct. 2nd,  i do believe.

- Louie

On Sep 25, 2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <acetownes@gmail.com> wrote:

Haha! Ironically, it's our number one recruitment/communication tool. But http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/ if you prefer.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <g2g-public01@att.net> wrote:

A meeting for *privacy and 4th-A activists*, where the link is on FACEBOOK....?

My irony meter just pegged.  That was a joke, right? 


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On 13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes wrote:
Hello Sudo Room subscribers,

I'm writing to you to make sure you know about a meeting this Saturday for privacy/Fourth Amendment activists. We're planning a lot of new things as well as recruiting for current things during the meeting, and you should come if you are interested. https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/

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