Whatever you want to call it, becoming a charitable organization is importantly distinct from owning your own means of production. The 501c3 non-profit structure specifically oppose workers owning the means of production or enjoying the rewards of the fruits of their labor in favor of a charity-oriented dependence on benevolent donors.
The sources of money available, through philanthropic foundations - solidifies the top-down structure and works to centralize authority with concentration of decision-making and prioritization in program officers. Many of the foundations, from the 'anti-capitalist' point of view, represent the robber baron accumulation of capital from last century (Ford, Rockefeller, MacArthur) successfully laundered to revise their reputations to support the 'public interest.'
On Nov 1, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Jeremy Entwistle <jwentwistle@cryptolab.net> wrote:
> Certainly, but then you could have democratic process in a capitalist's company. The important part is to have the workers own their means of production such that the products of their labor belong to them. Sort of how unions function these days, no ownership for the workers, but a vote that enables them to increase their wages.
>
> On 2013-11-01 21:25, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
>> it seems patently (pun!) obvious that renaming allows folks to stake
>> their claim in some intellectual property (irony! sort of!) as they
>> fork their pet (weird joke!) version of the basic idea.
>> personally, I prefer referring to real-life models i.e. worker
>> cooperatives as simply "democratic work" (as per east.usworker.coop
>> [29])... and takes me back to my previous post (stay tuned a minutes!)
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Jeremy Entwistle
>> <jwentwistle@cryptolab.net> wrote:
>>> Socialism or communism describes this economic philosophy--even if
>>> it's often misinterpreted. Workers cooperatives are typically
>>> described as socialist, although, I think of socialism as a the
>>> progression rather than a state of workers cooperatives. On the
>>> other hand, the equal representation concept/structure of communism,
>>> even if it is thought of as something else, is nothing but
>>> abolishing private property. In this instance, a workers cooperative
>>> does abolish private property, if you fully understand the meaning
>>> of it... in that private property doesn't require use or labor.
>>> I certainly agree with these concepts, but I don't see the purpose
>>> of renaming them. Mainly because there's a lot of literature on it.
>>> As a society, we've been taught to fear these concepts to avoid
>>> learning about them. We should encourage people to know these
>>> "definitions"... rather than make new ones.
>>> On 2013-11-01 18:57, Anthony Di Franco wrote:
>>> Along those lines, I suspect the holocracy term is meant at the
>>> level
>>> of guiding political / economic philosophy from which one then
>>> works
>>> to construct specific legal structures to implement the idea in
>>> specific contexts with various other names.
>>> On Nov 1, 2013 11:51 AM, "Danny Spitzberg" <stationaery@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> my friends/sources at theselc.org [1] [1] say that, yes, a worker
>>> cooperative by any other name (t-corp, wsde, zimzam, hoosegow)
>>> would
>>> smell as sweet
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Jeremy Entwistle
>>> <jwentwistle@cryptolab.net> wrote:
>>> Maybe I don't understand the entire concept of a "holacracy", but
>>> it sounds very similar to a workers cooperative. Or how Richard
>>> Wolff tried to rename it too as WSDEs with the Democracy at Work
>>> project. But it really sounds like workers cooperative to me.
>>> Jeremy
>>> On 2013-10-31 12:39, Eddan Katz wrote:
>>> Those who have expressed interest in a co-operative model of
>>> organizational development would be interested in Holacracy, which
>>> Janelle Orsi of the Sustainable Economies Law Center, promotes in
>>> her
>>> lectures. From today's blog post about a new Holacracy 'app':
>>> In a typical top-down management structure, the power to hire and
>>> fire employees is generally in the hands of managers. With
>>> Holacracy
>>> at play, the game is entirely different: with the decentralization
>>> of authority [1], the separation of people and role [2], and the
>>> dynamic evolution of those roles [3], we end up with a situation
>>> that looks more like free agents going about their work with no
>>> central planning. There might not even be a single person who knows
>>> about everything you do. This then begs the question: who can
>>> decide
>>> how and when to hire or fire?
>>> Holacracy doesn’t answer that question; it simply gives you a
>>> framework and processes for your company to figure it out. In other
>>> words, if Holacracy is an “operating system” for organizations,
>>> the “hire-and-fire” function is an “app” that needs to be
>>> added separately.
>>> The Holacracy newsletter forwarded below also includes a link to
>>> the
>>> Dec. 3 workshop ($125) they'll be hosting in San Francisco.
>>> Happy Halloween Friend!
>>> If you follow us on social [4] channels [5], you might already know
>>> that HolacracyOne just released a new "Partnership App" [6], and
>>> it's freely available.
>>> What do we mean by "app"? It extends the metaphor of Holacracy as
>>> an
>>> “operating system” for organizations. I like this comparison
>>> because it accurately reflects what Holacracy is, as well as what
>>> it
>>> isn't. On a computer, the operating system provides a basic
>>> framework for “apps” to function harmoniously in the same
>>> environment. Similarly, Holacracy provides a basic framework for
>>> _how _to decide, but it doesn't tell you _what_ you should decide
>>> for your business. In other words, it doesn’t answer typical
>>> business questions such as “what’s our employee compensation
>>> system?”, or “how to allocate resources?”.
>>> There are many different ways of answering these questions and
>>> Holacracy doesn’t choose one for you — that's the domain of
>>> "apps". At HolacracyOne, we've adopted a new "app" to define how
>>> our
>>> partnership functions work, and although it is still experimental,
>>> it's fleshed out enough to share it with you. Check it out in our
>>> blog post [7]!
>>> Olivier Compagne [8]
>>> HolacracyOne
>>> A “PARTNERSHIP APP” FOR HOLACRACY-POWERED COMPANIES
>>> [9]
>>> The question was: “How can we account for the difference between
>>> partners deeply committed to the organization, and those for whom
>>> the commitment is lesser and more temporary?”
>>> Read Blog Post → [10]
>>> PAST BLOG POSTS
>>> [11]
>>> INTEGRATE PERSPECTIVES
>>> On many teams, critical perspectives are ignored or dismissed when
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>>> [13]
>>> ORGANIZATION VS. TRIBE
>>> “It is an inappropriate use of love and care to use love and care
>>> to get something done” — David Allen
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>>> TRAININGS ON THE WEST COAST
>>> [15]
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>>> Kindly hosted by IDEO on the bayfront... don't miss it! * Intro
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>>> * Practitioner Training in Las Vegas, NV [18] — Feb 1-5, 2014
>>> With the vibrant Downtown Project [19] nearby...
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>>> [23]
>>> [24]
>>> [25]
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>>> [3] https://medium.com/about-holacracy/91dd71a76eb7 [4] [4]
>>> [4]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=a1cdb8aae6&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [5]
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>>> [5]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=3ef891d85d&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [6]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=d3e52c6bee&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [7]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=cb9136c008&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [8]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=0dc82bb45c&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [9]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=ce58fcba0d&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [10]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=25ee1c91f0&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [11]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=d399399b84&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=8fde6fd484&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [13]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=84db677c92&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=c4b91fceb1&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [15]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=203a9342c7&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [16]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=9742a0e30e&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=61a620187d&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [18]
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>>> [18]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=fc9fa72589&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [19]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=8092d70e8b&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [20]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=bf01efbc55&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [21]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=c365d86e7e&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=b79e4cca0b&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [23]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=3dbed0543e&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [24]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=618dce626d&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [25]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=0b28f1d09f&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [26]
>>> [26]
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>>> [2] http://holacracy.org/blog/the-power-of-governance [2]
>>> [3] http://holacracy.org/blog/differentiating-role-and-soul [3]
>>> [4] https://medium.com/about-holacracy/91dd71a76eb7 [4]
>>> [5]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=a1cdb8aae6&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [5]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=3ef891d85d&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [6]
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=d3e52c6bee&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=cb9136c008&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=0dc82bb45c&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=ce58fcba0d&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=25ee1c91f0&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=d399399b84&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=8fde6fd484&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=84db677c92&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=c4b91fceb1&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=203a9342c7&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=9742a0e30e&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=8092d70e8b&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=bf01efbc55&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=c365d86e7e&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=3dbed0543e&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=618dce626d&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=0b28f1d09f&e=f0e2b27da6
>>> [26]
>>> [27] http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss [27]
>>> [28] https://twitter.com/jwentwistle [28]
>> --
>> https://twitter.com/jwentwistle [28]
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] http://theselc.org
>> [2] http://holacracy.org/blog/the-power-of-governance
>> [3] http://holacracy.org/blog/differentiating-role-and-soul
>> [4] https://medium.com/about-holacracy/91dd71a76eb7
>> [5]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=a1cdb8aae6&e=f0e2b27da6
>> [6]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=3ef891d85d&e=f0e2b27da6
>> [7]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=d3e52c6bee&e=f0e2b27da6
>> [8]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=cb9136c008&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=9742a0e30e&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=b79e4cca0b&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=3dbed0543e&e=f0e2b27da6
>> [25]
>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=618dce626d&e=f0e2b27da6
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>> http://holacracy.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=c692ef14166adf4f8cc54e60d&id=0b28f1d09f&e=f0e2b27da6
>> [27] http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss
>> [28] https://twitter.com/jwentwistle
>> [29] http://east.usworker.coop
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