Well in the middle of all these hacker academies I've seen a lot of people propose that these quickie vocational schools replace a university education altogether. 

I think this gels with people who believe that you go to university in order to get a good job, not necessarily for an education. 

Here's an article from Mother Jones on how for-profit universities can rip students off:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/01/for-profit-college-student-debt

So suppose one of these technical schools that you see advertising on late night television start offering their own "code schools" copying the generally excellent hacker academies... and promising six figure salaries?

I saw a case where a law student sued her law school because she couldn't find a job after graduation. 

Sometimes I get very alienated from discussions on the value of a university education that I see on the web. I feel as if people only want to go to school so that they can earn big salaries. There seems to be very little value in getting an education in and of itself.
 Maybe it was always this way? 





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On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Hol Gaskill <hol@gaskill.com> wrote:
industrialization of education - obscuring the intrinsic value of knowledge and showing the way forward so that the technicians will know which direction to pull the carts


Jan 31, 2014 07:54:22 AM, romy@snowyla.com wrote:
FYI: I know a lot of the people running the hacker schools and who have graduated from them. I think most of these schools are legit, but I'm wondering if that is because it is due to the location (SF Bay Area) and the very high talent pool here.
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>None of these bootcamps claims to replace a university education, they are offering a very different thing.
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>I'm spooked by people who would advocate replacing an education with vocational bootcamps. I don't see these bootcamps competing with computer science departments at universities.
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>I can see a lot of potential abuse occurring as well:
>1997 New Yorker article on the University of Phoneix, a for-profit institution:http://www.newyorker.com/archive/1997/10/20/1997_10_20_114_TNY_CARDS_000379687
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I think Sudo Room has a stake in the existence of effective hacker-training
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programs, regardless of whether they are offered *by* Sudo Room. So, thanks
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Hol for posting the link.
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I agree with GtwoG that there is some possibility for abuse; but neither
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the article nor the agency's web site offer a concise presentation of what
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it means to "be in compliance". Is the agency throwing up regulations that
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will deter good work? It's hard to tell!
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I posted this to a couple email lists in the Wikipedia space, so check out
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these discussions too if interested:
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* http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/gendergap/2014-January/thread.html
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* http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-sf/2014-January/thread.html
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-Pete
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peteforsyth.com
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