2 Aug
2022
2 Aug
'22
11:58 p.m.
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
3 Aug
3 Aug
1:06 a.m.
It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and implement
policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to have a
discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to engage in
the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the secret of
the door-opening button.
I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least make a
sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the other side
of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned that
someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their property
was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but not a
lesson to ignore).
We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone numbers)
and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the RFID
access card project.
Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like this
without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion.
Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should say
"the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below eye
level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
2:18 a.m.
I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to CCL/Sudo on a more
regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that we
need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and how
to use it.
If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at the
CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
It is not appropriate for a single person to
unilaterally make and
implement
policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to have
a
discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
engage in
the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the secret
of
the door-opening button.
I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
make a
sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the other
side
of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned that
someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their
property
was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but not a
lesson to ignore).
We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
numbers)
and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
RFID
access card project.
Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like this
without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion.
Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should say
"the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below eye
level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security
in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
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7:40 p.m.
Jake - you mentioned an access group where some of the discussion around
the door is going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I don't
think anyone from CCL other than Marc has access to this access group...
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
It is not appropriate for a single person to
unilaterally make and
implement
policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to have
a
discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
engage in
the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the secret
of
the door-opening button.
I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
make a
sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the other
side
of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned that
someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their
property
was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but not a
lesson to ignore).
We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
numbers)
and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
RFID
access card project.
Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like this
without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion.
Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should say
"the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below eye
level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security
in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
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4 Aug
4 Aug
8:12 a.m.
"access group" means this mailing list
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/access.sudoroom.org/
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 7:41 PM Patrik D'haeseleer via sudo-discuss
<sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
Jake - you mentioned an access group where some of the discussion around the door is
going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I don't think anyone from CCL
other than Marc has access to this access group...
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org>
wrote:
It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and implement
policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to have a
discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to engage in
the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the secret of
the door-opening button.
I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least make a
sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the other side
of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned that
someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their property
was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but not a
lesson to ignore).
We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone numbers)
and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the RFID
access card project.
Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like this
without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion.
Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should say
"the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below eye
level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
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We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
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9:16 a.m.
the email i sent last month telling you and a couple of others about the secret
button, was also sent to the access list. you can subscribe here
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/access.sudoroom.org/
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Jake - you mentioned an access group where some of the
discussion around
the door is going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I don't
think anyone from CCL other than Marc has access to this access group...
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
It is not appropriate for a single person to
unilaterally make and
implement
policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to have
a
discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
engage in
the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the secret
of
the door-opening button.
I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
make a
sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the other
side
of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned that
someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their
property
was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but not a
lesson to ignore).
We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
numbers)
and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
RFID
access card project.
Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like this
without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion.
Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should say
"the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below eye
level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security
in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
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3:02 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 9:16 AM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
the email i sent last month telling you and a couple
of others about the
secret
button, was also sent to the access list. you can subscribe here
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/access.sudoroom.org/
Thanks, Jake - subscribed!
Patrik
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Jake - you mentioned an access group where some
of the discussion around
the door is going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I
don't
think anyone from CCL other than Marc has access
to this access group...
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and
> implement
> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
>
> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to
have
> a
> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
> engage in
> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the
secret
> of
> the door-opening button.
>
> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
> make a
> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the
other
> side
> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned
that
> someone set fire to the building because the
door closed while their
> property
> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but
not a
> lesson to ignore).
>
> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
> numbers)
> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
> RFID
> access card project.
>
> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like
this
> without engaging in ongoing planning and
discussion.
>
> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should
say
> "the door can be propped open using the
metal hook and loop just below
eye
level,
don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security
in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
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3:45 p.m.
I made a wifi RFID door lock named Friendly who also controls Internet
connected coffee robots. if that is of interest, I'm very happy to
contribute to this effort (or to help in other ways)
On Thu, Aug 4, 2022, 3:03 PM Patrik D'haeseleer via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 9:16 AM Jake
<jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
the email i sent last month telling you and a
couple of others about the
secret
button, was also sent to the access list. you can subscribe here
https://sudoroom.org/lists/postorius/lists/access.sudoroom.org/
Thanks, Jake - subscribed!
Patrik
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer
wrote:
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Jake - you mentioned an access group where some
of the discussion around
the door is going on. Is that a mailing list ? Signal chat? Slack? I
don't
think anyone from CCL other than Marc has access
to this access group...
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and
> implement
> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
>
> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to
have
> a
> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
> engage in
> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the
secret
> of
> the door-opening button.
>
> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
> make a
> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the
other
> side
> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned
that
> someone set fire to the building because the
door closed while their
> property
> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but
not a
> lesson to ignore).
>
> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
> numbers)
> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing
the
> RFID
> access card project.
>
> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like
this
> without engaging in ongoing planning and
discussion.
>
> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should
say
> "the door can be propped open using the
metal hook and loop just below
eye
> level, don't put items in the walkway
that block the path"
> and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
>
>> We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for
security
> in
>> CCL and sudo room.
>> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
>> security concerns.
>> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
>> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
>> duration, that's cool, prop it open.
>> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
>> Here's how to unlock the door:
>> 1. check to see no one is watching you
>> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
>> (see photo) while saying "open sesame"
>> 3. push open the door and enter.
>> [image: opensezme.jpg]
>> to lock the door, just close it.
>> The door also opens from inside.
>> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at
google
>
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
>
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31 Aug
31 Aug
6:06 p.m.
Hi all,
Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom member.
As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to shut/lock the
door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case of being
unable to get through the door.
I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and put it up
there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people keep
locking the door. Who knows how many people wanted to access the space and
couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many.
If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a phone
tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back off the
door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to
CCL/Sudo on a more
regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that we
need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and how
to use it.
If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at the
CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
It is not appropriate for a single person to
unilaterally make and
implement
policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to have
a
discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
engage in
the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the secret
of
the door-opening button.
I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
make a
sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the other
side
of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned that
someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their
property
was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but not a
lesson to ignore).
We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
numbers)
and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
RFID
access card project.
Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like this
without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion.
Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should say
"the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just below eye
level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security
in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
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7:33 p.m.
Hi Jake,
Is there no longer a hook on the door to prop it open when it doesn't need
to be locked? I know Michael installed one a while back, but I didn't see
it last time. If so, that would be at least part of the problem...
Also - do we have any volunteers who would want to be on a door access
phone tree? I think taking the door latch back off the door would be a huge
step back.
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom member.
As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to
shut/lock the
door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case of
being
unable to get through the door.
I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and put it
up
there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people keep
locking the door. Who knows how many people wanted to access the space and
couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many.
If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a phone
tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back off the
door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to
CCL/Sudo on a more
regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that we
need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and how
to use it.
If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at the
CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and
> implement
> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
>
> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to
have
> a
> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
> engage in
> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the
secret
> of
> the door-opening button.
>
> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
> make a
> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the
other
> side
> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned
that
> someone set fire to the building because the
door closed while their
> property
> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but
not a
> lesson to ignore).
>
> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
> numbers)
> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
> RFID
> access card project.
>
> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like
this
> without engaging in ongoing planning and
discussion.
>
> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should
say
> "the door can be propped open using the
metal hook and loop just below
eye
level,
don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
We have been waiting for a sensing system to be
programmed for security
in
CCL and sudo room.
Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
security concerns.
Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
duration, that's cool, prop it open.
When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
Here's how to unlock the door:
1. check to see no one is watching you
2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
(see photo) while saying "open sesame"
3. push open the door and enter.
[image: opensezme.jpg]
to lock the door, just close it.
The door also opens from inside.
This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
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1 Sep
1 Sep
3:49 p.m.
Hi Patrik,
I checked and the hook that holds the door open is still there.
I don't know why it got closed so hopefully these messages help people remember
not to close it until we get a system going so that people know what to do if
they encounter it closed and locked.
-jake
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Hi Jake,
Is there no longer a hook on the door to prop it open when it doesn't need
to be locked? I know Michael installed one a while back, but I didn't see
it last time. If so, that would be at least part of the problem...
Also - do we have any volunteers who would want to be on a door access
phone tree? I think taking the door latch back off the door would be a huge
step back.
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom member.
As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to
shut/lock the
door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case of
being
unable to get through the door.
I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and put it
up
there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people keep
locking the door. Who knows how many people wanted to access the space and
couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many.
If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a phone
tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back off the
door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to
CCL/Sudo on a more
regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that we
need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and how
to use it.
If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at the
CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and
> implement
> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
>
> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to
have
> a
> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
> engage in
> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the
secret
> of
> the door-opening button.
>
> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
> make a
> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the
other
> side
> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned
that
> someone set fire to the building because the
door closed while their
> property
> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but
not a
> lesson to ignore).
>
> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
> numbers)
> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
> RFID
> access card project.
>
> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like
this
> without engaging in ongoing planning and
discussion.
>
> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should
say
> "the door can be propped open using the
metal hook and loop just below
eye
level,
don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
> We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security
in
> CCL and sudo room.
> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
> security concerns.
> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
> duration, that's cool, prop it open.
> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
> Here's how to unlock the door:
> 1. check to see no one is watching you
> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
> (see photo) while saying "open sesame"
> 3. push open the door and enter.
> [image: opensezme.jpg]
> to lock the door, just close it.
> The door also opens from inside.
> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
> groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
>
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4 Sep
4 Sep
6:50 p.m.
The hook on the door is still there, but someone again unhooked it and locked
the door.
There is still no sign on the door with information on what to do if the door
is locked, but again today I was told that a sudoroom member arrived and was
unable to get through the door and didn't know what to do.
I took some 12ga copper wire and fastened the hook to the door with it to
discourage whoever is unhooking and locking the door. If they take the wire
off, i'll remove the latch to prevent people from getting locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Hi Jake,
Is there no longer a hook on the door to prop it open when it doesn't need
to be locked? I know Michael installed one a while back, but I didn't see
it last time. If so, that would be at least part of the problem...
Also - do we have any volunteers who would want to be on a door access
phone tree? I think taking the door latch back off the door would be a huge
step back.
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom member.
As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to
shut/lock the
door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case of
being
unable to get through the door.
I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and put it
up
there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people keep
locking the door. Who knows how many people wanted to access the space and
couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many.
If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a phone
tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back off the
door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to
CCL/Sudo on a more
regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that we
need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and how
to use it.
If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at the
CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and
> implement
> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
>
> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to
have
> a
> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
> engage in
> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the
secret
> of
> the door-opening button.
>
> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
> make a
> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the
other
> side
> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned
that
> someone set fire to the building because the
door closed while their
> property
> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but
not a
> lesson to ignore).
>
> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
> numbers)
> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
> RFID
> access card project.
>
> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like
this
> without engaging in ongoing planning and
discussion.
>
> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should
say
> "the door can be propped open using the
metal hook and loop just below
eye
level,
don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
-jake
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
> We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security
in
> CCL and sudo room.
> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
> security concerns.
> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
> duration, that's cool, prop it open.
> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
> Here's how to unlock the door:
> 1. check to see no one is watching you
> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
> (see photo) while saying "open sesame"
> 3. push open the door and enter.
> [image: opensezme.jpg]
> to lock the door, just close it.
> The door also opens from inside.
> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
> groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
>
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18 Sep
18 Sep
1:50 p.m.
This morning I got another call that the door was locked, from someone who had
my number.
This means someone removed the copper wire that I had twisted onto the hook to
keep the door open. Was this really easier than making a phone tree and a
sign?
I am grateful that people stepped up to prepare for the rains last night. I
wish people would also step up to make a phone tree (with phone numbers for CCL
and sudoroom volunteers) and make a sign for the door, to prevent the lock
latch from becoming more of a problem.
-jake
On Sun, 4 Sep 2022, Jake wrote:
The hook on the door is still there, but someone again
unhooked it and locked
the door.
There is still no sign on the door with information on what to do if the door
is locked, but again today I was told that a sudoroom member arrived and was
unable to get through the door and didn't know what to do.
I took some 12ga copper wire and fastened the hook to the door with it to
discourage whoever is unhooking and locking the door. If they take the wire
off, i'll remove the latch to prevent people from getting locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
Hi Jake,
Is there no longer a hook on the door to prop it open when it doesn't need
to be locked? I know Michael installed one a while back, but I didn't see
it last time. If so, that would be at least part of the problem...
Also - do we have any volunteers who would want to be on a door access
phone tree? I think taking the door latch back off the door would be a huge
step back.
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
Hi all,
Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom member.
As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to
shut/lock the
door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case of
being
unable to get through the door.
I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and put it
up
there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people keep
locking the door. Who knows how many people wanted to access the space
and
couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many.
If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a
phone
tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back off
the
door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to
CCL/Sudo on a more
regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that we
need to have some agreements between CCL and Sudo members on when and how
to use it.
If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at the
CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday 7pm:
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09
Patrik
On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and
> implement
> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
>
> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want to
have
> a
> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
> engage in
> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the
secret
> of
> the door-opening button.
>
> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at least
> make a
> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the
other
> side
> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I mentioned
that
> someone set fire to the building because the
door closed while their
> property
> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but
not a
> lesson to ignore).
>
> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
> numbers)
> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing the
> RFID
> access card project.
>
> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements like
this
> without engaging in ongoing planning and
discussion.
>
> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should
say
> "the door can be propped open using the
metal hook and loop just below
eye
> level, don't put items in the walkway
that block the path"
> and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the door".
>
> -jake
>
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
>
>> We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for security
> in
>> CCL and sudo room.
>> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that raise
>> security concerns.
>> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
>> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for the
>> duration, that's cool, prop it open.
>> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it locked.
>> Here's how to unlock the door:
>> 1. check to see no one is watching you
>> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
>> (see photo) while saying "open sesame"
>> 3. push open the door and enter.
>> [image: opensezme.jpg]
>> to lock the door, just close it.
>> The door also opens from inside.
>> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at google
>> groups. Please pass it on to anyone who needs to know the procedure.
>>
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19 Sep
19 Sep
11:30 a.m.
I’m all for a phone tree.
Anyone who wants to be a contact share their email here so u can make a
phone tree.
Andy gross 412.657.5332
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 1:51 PM Jake via sudo-discuss <
sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
This morning I got another call that the door was
locked, from someone who
had
my number.
This means someone removed the copper wire that I had twisted onto the
hook to
keep the door open. Was this really easier than making a phone tree and a
sign?
I am grateful that people stepped up to prepare for the rains last night.
I
wish people would also step up to make a phone tree (with phone numbers
for CCL
and sudoroom volunteers) and make a sign for the door, to prevent the lock
latch from becoming more of a problem.
-jake
On Sun, 4 Sep 2022, Jake wrote:
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The hook on the door is still there, but someone
again unhooked it and
locked
the door.
There is still no sign on the door with information on what to do if the
door
is locked, but again today I was told that a
sudoroom member arrived and
was
unable to get through the door and didn't
know what to do.
I took some 12ga copper wire and fastened the hook to the door with it to
discourage whoever is unhooking and locking the door. If they take the
wire
off, i'll remove the latch to prevent people
from getting locked out.
-jake
On Wed, 31 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
> Hi Jake,
>
> Is there no longer a hook on the door to prop it open when it doesn't
need
> to be locked? I know Michael installed one a
while back, but I didn't
see
> it last time. If so, that would be at least
part of the problem...
>
> Also - do we have any volunteers who would want to be on a door access
> phone tree? I think taking the door latch back off the door would be a
huge
> step back.
>
> Patrik
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 6:06 PM Jake <jake(a)spaz.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Today I got a call asking how to get into sudo/CCL by a sudoroom
member.
>>
>> As I said in previous messages, I don't think it's appropriate to
>> shut/lock the
>> door without first putting up a sign explaining who to contact in case
of
>> being
>> unable to get through the door.
>>
>> I don't think it's a huge big deal for someone to make the sign and
put it
>> up
>> there, so I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet, but people
keep
>> locking the door. Who knows how many
people wanted to access the
space
>> and
>> couldn't figure out how to get in? Hopefully not too many.
>>
>> If nobody cares about access through this door enough to figure out a
>> phone
>> tree and a sign, at the very least, then I will take the latch back
off
>> the
>> door so that we don't have any more problems with people being locked
out.
>>
>> -jake
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Aug 2022, Patrik D'haeseleer wrote:
>>
>>> I am in favor of starting to use the door lock to CCL/Sudo on a more
>>> regular basis, now that it is operational. But I agree with Jake that
we
>>> need to have some agreements between
CCL and Sudo members on when and
how
>>> to use it.
>>>
>>> If anyone would like to discuss, feel free to join us later today at
the
>>> CCL Working Meeting - every Wednesday
7pm:
>>>
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/820128495?pwd=dE1kMHcxQ2o4UlI5dWdudk9YV1Q4Zz09
>>>
>>> Patrik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2022 at 1:06 AM Jake via sudo-discuss <
>>> sudo-discuss(a)sudoroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is not appropriate for a single person to unilaterally make and
>>>> implement
>>>> policy for a lot of people in the form of an announcement like this.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that you're concerned about security, and if you want
to
>> have
>>>> a
>>>> discussion about progress on locking the door, it would make sense to
>>>> engage in
>>>> the discussion I started in the access group, where I described the
>> secret
>>>> of
>>>> the door-opening button.
>>>>
>>>> I mentioned that before we start locking the door, we need to at
least
>>>> make a
>>>> sign on the door for people who find themselves needing to be on the
>> other
>>>> side
>>>> of it, and who haven't seen the email you sent about it. I
mentioned
>> that
>>>> someone set fire to the building because the door closed while their
>>>> property
>>>> was on the other side of it (not the only reason we need a sign, but
>> not a
>>>> lesson to ignore).
>>>>
>>>> We need volunteers to discuss a phone tree (the sign must say phone
>>>> numbers)
>>>> and make the sign, to install the sign, as well as work on finishing
the
>>>> RFID
>>>> access card project.
>>>>
>>>> Please don't just jump the gun and send out policy announcements
like
>> this
>>>> without engaging in ongoing planning and discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Also if an announcement is sent out once the sign is ready, it should
>> say
>>>> "the door can be propped open using the metal hook and loop just
below
>> eye
>>>> level, don't put items in the walkway that block the path"
>>>> and step 3 should say PULL the door open, not "push open the
door".
>>>>
>>>> -jake
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, Edwinsaurus via sudo-discuss wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We have been waiting for a sensing system to be programmed for
security
>>>> in
>>>>> CCL and sudo room.
>>>>> Meanwhile, there have been incidents in and around the Omni that
raise
>>>>> security concerns.
>>>>> Starting in August we will start closing and locking the entry door.
>>>>> If someone is having a workshop and wants to keep an open door for
the
>>>>> duration, that's cool,
prop it open.
>>>>> When you exit the area please close the door and check that it
locked.
>>>>> Here's how to unlock the
door:
>>>>> 1. check to see no one is watching you
>>>>> 2. press the lever/switch on the box to the left of the door
>>>>> (see photo) while saying "open sesame"
>>>>> 3. push open the door and enter.
>>>>> [image: opensezme.jpg]
>>>>> to lock the door, just close it.
>>>>> The door also opens from inside.
>>>>> This message is coming to you via Sudo-discuss or CCL members at
google
>>>>> groups. Please pass it on to
anyone who needs to know the
procedure.
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
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>>
>
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