https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=JuulSudo Room - User contributions [en]2026-04-24T11:48:48ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.37.2https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Membermatters&diff=12659Membermatters2025-06-03T02:14:48Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>this is the notes for the membermatters installation<br />
<br />
backers.sudoroom.org<br />
<br />
to create a new user:<br />
https://backers.sudoroom.org/register<br />
<br />
= certbot =<br />
* juul used pipx to install, and then had to manually make a systemd job to check it twice a day</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Cage&diff=12514Mesh/Cage2024-07-26T02:31:34Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>The mesh cage is where sudo mesh stores all of its equipment and tools within Omni. It is located above sudo room by the top of the stairs to the ballroom.<br />
<br />
The Mesh cage measures about 10.2 by 11.4 feet or 116.3 sqft.<br />
<br />
sudo mesh is paying $200 per month for renting this space</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Cage&diff=12513Mesh/Cage2024-07-26T02:31:11Z<p>Juul: Created page with "The mesh cage is where sudo mesh stores all of its equipment and tools within Omni. It is located above sudo room by the top of the stairs to the ballroom. The Mesh cage measures about 10.2 by 11.4 feet or 116.3 sqft."</p>
<hr />
<div>The mesh cage is where sudo mesh stores all of its equipment and tools within Omni. It is located above sudo room by the top of the stairs to the ballroom.<br />
<br />
The Mesh cage measures about 10.2 by 11.4 feet or 116.3 sqft.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Recurring_Meetings&diff=12075Recurring Meetings2022-12-23T16:07:34Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>:''For the most recently-updated list of upcoming events, see: [https://sudoroom.org/calendar/ Sudo Room Calendar] and [https://omnicommons.org/calendar/ Omni Commons Global Calendar]''<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable" style=""<br />
| '''[[HardwareHackNight]] Tuesdays<br />
(6-11p)'''<br />
| <noinclude>[[image:SudoRoom_hardware_hacknight.jpg|thumb|120px|A large animal will lead you through real life stuff, you digital wimps ;)]]</noinclude><br />
Come hack on hardware. build stuff! take apart small robotic animals, electronics & make things<br />
and if you can't make it there physically, we have an [https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles ONLINE JITSI PORTAL]<br />
|-<br />
| '''[[Meetings|Sudoroom Party / Meetings]]<br />
(Wednesdays 8p)'''<br />
| Every Wednesday at 8pm is the Official meeting of organization, bureaucracy and fun. All other Wednesdays are an informal and if you can't make it there physically, we have an [https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles ONLINE JITSI PORTAL]<br />
We keep our agenda on an [https://pad.riseup.net/ etherpad] and then [[Meetings#Meeting_Notes_Archive|archive the meeting minutes]]. We're a California non-profit. See our [[Articles of Association]].<br />
|-<br />
| '''[https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Javascript Javascript study group]<br />
(Thursdays 7:00p)'''<br />
| <noinclude>[[File:JavasScript Forest at SudoRoom.png|120px|thumb|Sudoroom Javascript forest]]</noinclude> <br />
Learn, chat and hack on node.js, frontend, or whatever! <br />
Oakland is [http://oaklandwiki.org/Javascript javascript city].<br />
|}</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Home_Assistant&diff=12040Home Assistant2022-08-10T00:59:45Z<p>Juul: Created page with "We are using [Home Assistant https://www.home-assistant.io/] for the new RFID-based door access control. Some notes for now: <pre> On junk.local in /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/configuration.yml I added: ``` logger: default: info ``` To set the log-level to `info`. Now you can `tail -f /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/home-assistant.log` and I added the line: ``` python_script: ``` (yes, nothing after the `:` at all) to enable the python script integr..."</p>
<hr />
<div>We are using [Home Assistant https://www.home-assistant.io/] for the new RFID-based door access control.<br />
<br />
Some notes for now:<br />
<br />
<pre><br />
<br />
On junk.local<br />
in /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/configuration.yml<br />
<br />
I added:<br />
<br />
```<br />
logger:<br />
default: info<br />
```<br />
<br />
To set the log-level to `info`.<br />
Now you can `tail -f /home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/home-assistant.log`<br />
<br />
and I added the line:<br />
<br />
```<br />
python_script:<br />
```<br />
<br />
(yes, nothing after the `:` at all)<br />
<br />
to enable the python script integration.<br />
<br />
Then I added the dir: `home/homeassistant/.homeassistant/python_scripts`<br />
<br />
and the file `hello_world.py` in that dir.<br />
<br />
The basics of how to do this are documented here: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/python_script/<br />
<br />
and the full API is documented here: https://developers.home-assistant.io/docs/dev_101_hass/<br />
<br />
</pre></div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&diff=11962About2022-05-12T03:24:07Z<p>Juul: /* Culture & Values */</p>
<hr />
<div>= About sudo room =<br />
<br />
sudo room is a hackerspace and community of people in Oakland, CA established during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement Occupy movement].<br />
<br />
We are into technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
<br />
We care about co-learning, co-organizing and co-creating more open, equitable and decentralized structures in the realms of technology, education, infrastructure, science, art, law and beyond.<br />
<br />
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, hack, play and more! <br />
<br />
sudo room is co-homed with [https://www.counterculturelabs.org/ Counter Culture Labs], a biohackerspace, in the [https://omnicommons.org/ Omni Commons] building.<br />
<br />
== Vision ==<br />
<br />
sudo room is a place for people to co-learn, co-create and co-organize. <br />
<br />
We believe that by creating '''welcoming''' facilities and '''open''' infrastructure we will '''engage a diverse community''' of people interested in topics such as community organizing, music, programming, hardware hacking, physics, chemistry, mathematics, security, robotics, art, and beyond. <br />
<br />
Through this community, we hope to collaborate, co-learn and co-create around our shared values both locally and beyond.<br />
<br />
== Culture & Values ==<br />
<br />
We strive to be a supportive '''open''', '''transparent''', '''horizontal''', '''diverse''' and '''welcoming''' community, where people are free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and develop new interests! <br />
<br />
We begin from a point of respect and trust and openness. We believe this builds a strong communal foundation which can foster collaboration and sustain future efforts aimed to improve social relationships and our collective social conditions. Specific guidelines describing expected behavior are outlined in our Code of Conduct and the [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Omni Commons' Safer Spaces Policy] which is shared by sudo room.<br />
<br />
== Mission ==<br />
<br />
sudo room’s mission is to:<br />
<br />
* Provide accessible, clean work spaces and tools to enable individual or collaborative projects or experimentation related to art, science, and technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
* Facilitate education and idea-sharing by providing and maintaining a space for our members and guests to hack, co-learn and to meet and socialize around our values<br />
<br />
And most importantly, to foster a community with shared culture and values.<br />
<br />
== Code of Conduct ==<br />
<br />
This section is intended to define the specific community norms within sudo room. It is expected that members and guests attending sudo room are also following the Omni Commons [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Safer Space Policy] while on the premises (and hopefully beyond!). Most importantly, that policy expects that people inside Omni Commons follow these common expected behaviors (from Section 3):<br />
<br />
* Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.<br />
* Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.<br />
* Attempt collaboration before conflict.<br />
* Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.<br />
* Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.<br />
<br />
Anyone failing to follow these common expected behaviors should be asked to stop, and is expected to comply immediately. <br />
<br />
==== Interacting with people ====<br />
<br />
* ''Be respectful of others' desire not to be bothered.'' If someone wants to focus or finds conversation to be unwanted either typically or on just a given day, we recognize that and enthusiastically accommodate that. We make an effort to directly communicate our wishes, and we also each make an effort to be mindful of body language. If we're uncertain of someone's wishes, we ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Encourage one another.'' If you see someone being awesome or something which is awesome, it's awesome in turn to sing its praises. Motivation can be a rare commodity and can work wonders in terms of creating more of it. <br />
<br />
* ''Don't troll or bait anyone'' into an ideological argument. This is another way we respect each others' wishes.<br />
<br />
* ''Keep info dumps brief.'' Again: be aware of others wishes, and don't force someone to be your audience.<br />
<br />
==== Safety ====<br />
<br />
* ''Never do anything which you aren't certain is safe.'' If you're unsure, ask. Asking a question that feels dumb to be sure is AWESOME. Not asking a question and putting yourself or anyone else at risk is very not awesome.<br />
<br />
==== Noise ====<br />
<br />
* ''Ask before playing music'' or audio if others can hear it.<br />
<br />
* ''Let others know'' if you're about to perform high volume work, such as using saws.<br />
<br />
==== Respect shared stuff ====<br />
<br />
* ''Don't take other people's stuff.'' If you're unsure if something belongs to someone, ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Clearly label your stuff.'' Everything in Sudo Room is hackable until proven otherwise. If you don't want something taken apart and turned into a giant robot the moment your back is turned, leave it in a space designated as yours or mark it clearly with your name, a way to contact you, and the date. <br />
<br />
==== Maintaining the space ====<br />
<br />
* ''Do not live in the space.'' It's extremely disruptive. If money or housing is a problem, talk to people. We care about one another regardless of housing status, and will try to find ways to be supportive. But occupying the space persistently hinders the ability of others to use it.<br />
<br />
* ''Help out.'' We don't have housekeeping service, so clean up after yourself, put things away when you're done, and leave each place you work cleaner after you leave. Take out the trash when it's full and keep open eyes for ways to always make the space a little better.<br />
<br />
* ''Don't BiTTorrent from the space.'' It causes lots of problems for other people trying to use the network. We've also gotten DMCA notices about people snarfing copyrighted content using our links, and these notices are very annoying and unexcellent. Please don't download copyrighted content illegally using our Internet links.<br />
<br />
==== Guests ====<br />
<br />
* ''Consider whether this space is appropriate for a guest.'' Understand that guests must adhere to these community standards and may be exposed to ideas outside of your control. Be aware of this, particularly when bringing minors.<br />
<br />
* ''Pets must be well behaved and under control.'' If you bring a pet to Sudo Room, please ask others in the space if it is OK with them, and please do not stay with your pet if anyone objects.<br />
<br />
==== Fumes and Health Hazards ====<br />
<br />
* ''Limit fumes or health hazards appropriately.'' Use fume extraction or respirators when necessary.<br />
<br />
* ''If you're going to smoke,'' smoke outside on the sidewalk, ''at least 15 feet away from open doorways''. This includes all substances, including tobacco and marijuana. <br />
<br />
==== 501c3 status ====<br />
<br />
* Sudo Room and Omni Commons must not be involved in any activities which could affect legislation or political campaigns, with certain limited exemptions. While not illegal, these activities may be grounds for the IRS to revoke our tax exempt status. Talk to the officers of the corporation for guidance if you are unsure whether your proposed activities will be exempt or not.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&diff=11961About2022-05-12T03:22:36Z<p>Juul: /* About sudo room */</p>
<hr />
<div>= About sudo room =<br />
<br />
sudo room is a hackerspace and community of people in Oakland, CA established during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement Occupy movement].<br />
<br />
We are into technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
<br />
We care about co-learning, co-organizing and co-creating more open, equitable and decentralized structures in the realms of technology, education, infrastructure, science, art, law and beyond.<br />
<br />
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, hack, play and more! <br />
<br />
sudo room is co-homed with [https://www.counterculturelabs.org/ Counter Culture Labs], a biohackerspace, in the [https://omnicommons.org/ Omni Commons] building.<br />
<br />
== Vision ==<br />
<br />
sudo room is a place for people to co-learn, co-create and co-organize. <br />
<br />
We believe that by creating '''welcoming''' facilities and '''open''' infrastructure we will '''engage a diverse community''' of people interested in topics such as community organizing, music, programming, hardware hacking, physics, chemistry, mathematics, security, robotics, art, and beyond. <br />
<br />
Through this community, we hope to collaborate, co-learn and co-create around our shared values both locally and beyond.<br />
<br />
== Culture & Values ==<br />
<br />
We strive to be a supportive '''open''', '''transparent''', '''horizontal''', '''diverse''' and '''welcoming''' community, where people are free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and develop new interests! <br />
<br />
We begin from a point of respect and trust and openness. We believe this builds a strong communal foundation which can foster collaboration and sustain future efforts aimed to improve social relationships and our collective social conditions. Specific guidelines describing expected behavior are outlined in our Code of Conduct, while strictly forbidden behavior is described in [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Omni Commons' Safer Spaces Policy].<br />
<br />
== Mission ==<br />
<br />
sudo room’s mission is to:<br />
<br />
* Provide accessible, clean work spaces and tools to enable individual or collaborative projects or experimentation related to art, science, and technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
* Facilitate education and idea-sharing by providing and maintaining a space for our members and guests to hack, co-learn and to meet and socialize around our values<br />
<br />
And most importantly, to foster a community with shared culture and values.<br />
<br />
== Code of Conduct ==<br />
<br />
This section is intended to define the specific community norms within sudo room. It is expected that members and guests attending sudo room are also following the Omni Commons [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Safer Space Policy] while on the premises (and hopefully beyond!). Most importantly, that policy expects that people inside Omni Commons follow these common expected behaviors (from Section 3):<br />
<br />
* Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.<br />
* Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.<br />
* Attempt collaboration before conflict.<br />
* Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.<br />
* Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.<br />
<br />
Anyone failing to follow these common expected behaviors should be asked to stop, and is expected to comply immediately. <br />
<br />
==== Interacting with people ====<br />
<br />
* ''Be respectful of others' desire not to be bothered.'' If someone wants to focus or finds conversation to be unwanted either typically or on just a given day, we recognize that and enthusiastically accommodate that. We make an effort to directly communicate our wishes, and we also each make an effort to be mindful of body language. If we're uncertain of someone's wishes, we ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Encourage one another.'' If you see someone being awesome or something which is awesome, it's awesome in turn to sing its praises. Motivation can be a rare commodity and can work wonders in terms of creating more of it. <br />
<br />
* ''Don't troll or bait anyone'' into an ideological argument. This is another way we respect each others' wishes.<br />
<br />
* ''Keep info dumps brief.'' Again: be aware of others wishes, and don't force someone to be your audience.<br />
<br />
==== Safety ====<br />
<br />
* ''Never do anything which you aren't certain is safe.'' If you're unsure, ask. Asking a question that feels dumb to be sure is AWESOME. Not asking a question and putting yourself or anyone else at risk is very not awesome.<br />
<br />
==== Noise ====<br />
<br />
* ''Ask before playing music'' or audio if others can hear it.<br />
<br />
* ''Let others know'' if you're about to perform high volume work, such as using saws.<br />
<br />
==== Respect shared stuff ====<br />
<br />
* ''Don't take other people's stuff.'' If you're unsure if something belongs to someone, ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Clearly label your stuff.'' Everything in Sudo Room is hackable until proven otherwise. If you don't want something taken apart and turned into a giant robot the moment your back is turned, leave it in a space designated as yours or mark it clearly with your name, a way to contact you, and the date. <br />
<br />
==== Maintaining the space ====<br />
<br />
* ''Do not live in the space.'' It's extremely disruptive. If money or housing is a problem, talk to people. We care about one another regardless of housing status, and will try to find ways to be supportive. But occupying the space persistently hinders the ability of others to use it.<br />
<br />
* ''Help out.'' We don't have housekeeping service, so clean up after yourself, put things away when you're done, and leave each place you work cleaner after you leave. Take out the trash when it's full and keep open eyes for ways to always make the space a little better.<br />
<br />
* ''Don't BiTTorrent from the space.'' It causes lots of problems for other people trying to use the network. We've also gotten DMCA notices about people snarfing copyrighted content using our links, and these notices are very annoying and unexcellent. Please don't download copyrighted content illegally using our Internet links.<br />
<br />
==== Guests ====<br />
<br />
* ''Consider whether this space is appropriate for a guest.'' Understand that guests must adhere to these community standards and may be exposed to ideas outside of your control. Be aware of this, particularly when bringing minors.<br />
<br />
* ''Pets must be well behaved and under control.'' If you bring a pet to Sudo Room, please ask others in the space if it is OK with them, and please do not stay with your pet if anyone objects.<br />
<br />
==== Fumes and Health Hazards ====<br />
<br />
* ''Limit fumes or health hazards appropriately.'' Use fume extraction or respirators when necessary.<br />
<br />
* ''If you're going to smoke,'' smoke outside on the sidewalk, ''at least 15 feet away from open doorways''. This includes all substances, including tobacco and marijuana. <br />
<br />
==== 501c3 status ====<br />
<br />
* Sudo Room and Omni Commons must not be involved in any activities which could affect legislation or political campaigns, with certain limited exemptions. While not illegal, these activities may be grounds for the IRS to revoke our tax exempt status. Talk to the officers of the corporation for guidance if you are unsure whether your proposed activities will be exempt or not.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&diff=11960About2022-05-12T03:22:19Z<p>Juul: /* About sudo room */</p>
<hr />
<div>= About sudo room =<br />
<br />
sudo room is a physical space and community of people in Oakland, CA established during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement Occupy movement].<br />
<br />
We are into technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
<br />
We care about co-learning, co-organizing and co-creating more open, equitable and decentralized structures in the realms of technology, education, infrastructure, science, art, law and beyond.<br />
<br />
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, hack, play and more! <br />
<br />
sudo room is co-homed with [https://www.counterculturelabs.org/ Counter Culture Labs], a biohackerspace, in the [https://omnicommons.org/ Omni Commons] building.<br />
<br />
== Vision ==<br />
<br />
sudo room is a place for people to co-learn, co-create and co-organize. <br />
<br />
We believe that by creating '''welcoming''' facilities and '''open''' infrastructure we will '''engage a diverse community''' of people interested in topics such as community organizing, music, programming, hardware hacking, physics, chemistry, mathematics, security, robotics, art, and beyond. <br />
<br />
Through this community, we hope to collaborate, co-learn and co-create around our shared values both locally and beyond.<br />
<br />
== Culture & Values ==<br />
<br />
We strive to be a supportive '''open''', '''transparent''', '''horizontal''', '''diverse''' and '''welcoming''' community, where people are free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and develop new interests! <br />
<br />
We begin from a point of respect and trust and openness. We believe this builds a strong communal foundation which can foster collaboration and sustain future efforts aimed to improve social relationships and our collective social conditions. Specific guidelines describing expected behavior are outlined in our Code of Conduct, while strictly forbidden behavior is described in [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Omni Commons' Safer Spaces Policy].<br />
<br />
== Mission ==<br />
<br />
sudo room’s mission is to:<br />
<br />
* Provide accessible, clean work spaces and tools to enable individual or collaborative projects or experimentation related to art, science, and technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
* Facilitate education and idea-sharing by providing and maintaining a space for our members and guests to hack, co-learn and to meet and socialize around our values<br />
<br />
And most importantly, to foster a community with shared culture and values.<br />
<br />
== Code of Conduct ==<br />
<br />
This section is intended to define the specific community norms within sudo room. It is expected that members and guests attending sudo room are also following the Omni Commons [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Safer Space Policy] while on the premises (and hopefully beyond!). Most importantly, that policy expects that people inside Omni Commons follow these common expected behaviors (from Section 3):<br />
<br />
* Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.<br />
* Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.<br />
* Attempt collaboration before conflict.<br />
* Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.<br />
* Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.<br />
<br />
Anyone failing to follow these common expected behaviors should be asked to stop, and is expected to comply immediately. <br />
<br />
==== Interacting with people ====<br />
<br />
* ''Be respectful of others' desire not to be bothered.'' If someone wants to focus or finds conversation to be unwanted either typically or on just a given day, we recognize that and enthusiastically accommodate that. We make an effort to directly communicate our wishes, and we also each make an effort to be mindful of body language. If we're uncertain of someone's wishes, we ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Encourage one another.'' If you see someone being awesome or something which is awesome, it's awesome in turn to sing its praises. Motivation can be a rare commodity and can work wonders in terms of creating more of it. <br />
<br />
* ''Don't troll or bait anyone'' into an ideological argument. This is another way we respect each others' wishes.<br />
<br />
* ''Keep info dumps brief.'' Again: be aware of others wishes, and don't force someone to be your audience.<br />
<br />
==== Safety ====<br />
<br />
* ''Never do anything which you aren't certain is safe.'' If you're unsure, ask. Asking a question that feels dumb to be sure is AWESOME. Not asking a question and putting yourself or anyone else at risk is very not awesome.<br />
<br />
==== Noise ====<br />
<br />
* ''Ask before playing music'' or audio if others can hear it.<br />
<br />
* ''Let others know'' if you're about to perform high volume work, such as using saws.<br />
<br />
==== Respect shared stuff ====<br />
<br />
* ''Don't take other people's stuff.'' If you're unsure if something belongs to someone, ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Clearly label your stuff.'' Everything in Sudo Room is hackable until proven otherwise. If you don't want something taken apart and turned into a giant robot the moment your back is turned, leave it in a space designated as yours or mark it clearly with your name, a way to contact you, and the date. <br />
<br />
==== Maintaining the space ====<br />
<br />
* ''Do not live in the space.'' It's extremely disruptive. If money or housing is a problem, talk to people. We care about one another regardless of housing status, and will try to find ways to be supportive. But occupying the space persistently hinders the ability of others to use it.<br />
<br />
* ''Help out.'' We don't have housekeeping service, so clean up after yourself, put things away when you're done, and leave each place you work cleaner after you leave. Take out the trash when it's full and keep open eyes for ways to always make the space a little better.<br />
<br />
* ''Don't BiTTorrent from the space.'' It causes lots of problems for other people trying to use the network. We've also gotten DMCA notices about people snarfing copyrighted content using our links, and these notices are very annoying and unexcellent. Please don't download copyrighted content illegally using our Internet links.<br />
<br />
==== Guests ====<br />
<br />
* ''Consider whether this space is appropriate for a guest.'' Understand that guests must adhere to these community standards and may be exposed to ideas outside of your control. Be aware of this, particularly when bringing minors.<br />
<br />
* ''Pets must be well behaved and under control.'' If you bring a pet to Sudo Room, please ask others in the space if it is OK with them, and please do not stay with your pet if anyone objects.<br />
<br />
==== Fumes and Health Hazards ====<br />
<br />
* ''Limit fumes or health hazards appropriately.'' Use fume extraction or respirators when necessary.<br />
<br />
* ''If you're going to smoke,'' smoke outside on the sidewalk, ''at least 15 feet away from open doorways''. This includes all substances, including tobacco and marijuana. <br />
<br />
==== 501c3 status ====<br />
<br />
* Sudo Room and Omni Commons must not be involved in any activities which could affect legislation or political campaigns, with certain limited exemptions. While not illegal, these activities may be grounds for the IRS to revoke our tax exempt status. Talk to the officers of the corporation for guidance if you are unsure whether your proposed activities will be exempt or not.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&diff=11959About2022-05-12T03:22:00Z<p>Juul: /* About sudo room */</p>
<hr />
<div>= About sudo room =<br />
<br />
sudo room is a physical space and community of people in Oakland, CA established during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement Occupy movement].<br />
<br />
We are into technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
<br />
We care about co-learning, co-organizing and co-creating more open, equitable and decentralized structures in the realms of technology, education, infrastructure, science, art, law and beyond.<br />
<br />
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, hack, play and more! <br />
<br />
sudo room is co-homed with [https://www.counterculturelabs.org/ Counter Culture Labs], a biohackerspace, in the [https://omnicommons.org/ Omni Commons].<br />
<br />
== Vision ==<br />
<br />
sudo room is a place for people to co-learn, co-create and co-organize. <br />
<br />
We believe that by creating '''welcoming''' facilities and '''open''' infrastructure we will '''engage a diverse community''' of people interested in topics such as community organizing, music, programming, hardware hacking, physics, chemistry, mathematics, security, robotics, art, and beyond. <br />
<br />
Through this community, we hope to collaborate, co-learn and co-create around our shared values both locally and beyond.<br />
<br />
== Culture & Values ==<br />
<br />
We strive to be a supportive '''open''', '''transparent''', '''horizontal''', '''diverse''' and '''welcoming''' community, where people are free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and develop new interests! <br />
<br />
We begin from a point of respect and trust and openness. We believe this builds a strong communal foundation which can foster collaboration and sustain future efforts aimed to improve social relationships and our collective social conditions. Specific guidelines describing expected behavior are outlined in our Code of Conduct, while strictly forbidden behavior is described in [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Omni Commons' Safer Spaces Policy].<br />
<br />
== Mission ==<br />
<br />
sudo room’s mission is to:<br />
<br />
* Provide accessible, clean work spaces and tools to enable individual or collaborative projects or experimentation related to art, science, and technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
* Facilitate education and idea-sharing by providing and maintaining a space for our members and guests to hack, co-learn and to meet and socialize around our values<br />
<br />
And most importantly, to foster a community with shared culture and values.<br />
<br />
== Code of Conduct ==<br />
<br />
This section is intended to define the specific community norms within sudo room. It is expected that members and guests attending sudo room are also following the Omni Commons [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Safer Space Policy] while on the premises (and hopefully beyond!). Most importantly, that policy expects that people inside Omni Commons follow these common expected behaviors (from Section 3):<br />
<br />
* Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.<br />
* Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.<br />
* Attempt collaboration before conflict.<br />
* Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.<br />
* Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.<br />
<br />
Anyone failing to follow these common expected behaviors should be asked to stop, and is expected to comply immediately. <br />
<br />
==== Interacting with people ====<br />
<br />
* ''Be respectful of others' desire not to be bothered.'' If someone wants to focus or finds conversation to be unwanted either typically or on just a given day, we recognize that and enthusiastically accommodate that. We make an effort to directly communicate our wishes, and we also each make an effort to be mindful of body language. If we're uncertain of someone's wishes, we ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Encourage one another.'' If you see someone being awesome or something which is awesome, it's awesome in turn to sing its praises. Motivation can be a rare commodity and can work wonders in terms of creating more of it. <br />
<br />
* ''Don't troll or bait anyone'' into an ideological argument. This is another way we respect each others' wishes.<br />
<br />
* ''Keep info dumps brief.'' Again: be aware of others wishes, and don't force someone to be your audience.<br />
<br />
==== Safety ====<br />
<br />
* ''Never do anything which you aren't certain is safe.'' If you're unsure, ask. Asking a question that feels dumb to be sure is AWESOME. Not asking a question and putting yourself or anyone else at risk is very not awesome.<br />
<br />
==== Noise ====<br />
<br />
* ''Ask before playing music'' or audio if others can hear it.<br />
<br />
* ''Let others know'' if you're about to perform high volume work, such as using saws.<br />
<br />
==== Respect shared stuff ====<br />
<br />
* ''Don't take other people's stuff.'' If you're unsure if something belongs to someone, ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Clearly label your stuff.'' Everything in Sudo Room is hackable until proven otherwise. If you don't want something taken apart and turned into a giant robot the moment your back is turned, leave it in a space designated as yours or mark it clearly with your name, a way to contact you, and the date. <br />
<br />
==== Maintaining the space ====<br />
<br />
* ''Do not live in the space.'' It's extremely disruptive. If money or housing is a problem, talk to people. We care about one another regardless of housing status, and will try to find ways to be supportive. But occupying the space persistently hinders the ability of others to use it.<br />
<br />
* ''Help out.'' We don't have housekeeping service, so clean up after yourself, put things away when you're done, and leave each place you work cleaner after you leave. Take out the trash when it's full and keep open eyes for ways to always make the space a little better.<br />
<br />
* ''Don't BiTTorrent from the space.'' It causes lots of problems for other people trying to use the network. We've also gotten DMCA notices about people snarfing copyrighted content using our links, and these notices are very annoying and unexcellent. Please don't download copyrighted content illegally using our Internet links.<br />
<br />
==== Guests ====<br />
<br />
* ''Consider whether this space is appropriate for a guest.'' Understand that guests must adhere to these community standards and may be exposed to ideas outside of your control. Be aware of this, particularly when bringing minors.<br />
<br />
* ''Pets must be well behaved and under control.'' If you bring a pet to Sudo Room, please ask others in the space if it is OK with them, and please do not stay with your pet if anyone objects.<br />
<br />
==== Fumes and Health Hazards ====<br />
<br />
* ''Limit fumes or health hazards appropriately.'' Use fume extraction or respirators when necessary.<br />
<br />
* ''If you're going to smoke,'' smoke outside on the sidewalk, ''at least 15 feet away from open doorways''. This includes all substances, including tobacco and marijuana. <br />
<br />
==== 501c3 status ====<br />
<br />
* Sudo Room and Omni Commons must not be involved in any activities which could affect legislation or political campaigns, with certain limited exemptions. While not illegal, these activities may be grounds for the IRS to revoke our tax exempt status. Talk to the officers of the corporation for guidance if you are unsure whether your proposed activities will be exempt or not.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&diff=11958About2022-05-12T03:21:01Z<p>Juul: /* About sudo room */</p>
<hr />
<div>= About sudo room =<br />
<br />
sudo room is a physical space and community of people in Oakland, CA established during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement Occupy movement].<br />
<br />
We are into technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
<br />
We care about co-learning, co-organizing and co-creating more open, equitable and decentralized structures in the realms of technology, education, infrastructure, science, art, law and beyond.<br />
<br />
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, hack, play and more! <br />
<br />
== Vision ==<br />
<br />
sudo room is a place for people to co-learn, co-create and co-organize. <br />
<br />
We believe that by creating '''welcoming''' facilities and '''open''' infrastructure we will '''engage a diverse community''' of people interested in topics such as community organizing, music, programming, hardware hacking, physics, chemistry, mathematics, security, robotics, art, and beyond. <br />
<br />
Through this community, we hope to collaborate, co-learn and co-create around our shared values both locally and beyond.<br />
<br />
== Culture & Values ==<br />
<br />
We strive to be a supportive '''open''', '''transparent''', '''horizontal''', '''diverse''' and '''welcoming''' community, where people are free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and develop new interests! <br />
<br />
We begin from a point of respect and trust and openness. We believe this builds a strong communal foundation which can foster collaboration and sustain future efforts aimed to improve social relationships and our collective social conditions. Specific guidelines describing expected behavior are outlined in our Code of Conduct, while strictly forbidden behavior is described in [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Omni Commons' Safer Spaces Policy].<br />
<br />
== Mission ==<br />
<br />
sudo room’s mission is to:<br />
<br />
* Provide accessible, clean work spaces and tools to enable individual or collaborative projects or experimentation related to art, science, and technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
* Facilitate education and idea-sharing by providing and maintaining a space for our members and guests to hack, co-learn and to meet and socialize around our values<br />
<br />
And most importantly, to foster a community with shared culture and values.<br />
<br />
== Code of Conduct ==<br />
<br />
This section is intended to define the specific community norms within sudo room. It is expected that members and guests attending sudo room are also following the Omni Commons [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Safer Space Policy] while on the premises (and hopefully beyond!). Most importantly, that policy expects that people inside Omni Commons follow these common expected behaviors (from Section 3):<br />
<br />
* Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.<br />
* Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.<br />
* Attempt collaboration before conflict.<br />
* Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.<br />
* Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.<br />
<br />
Anyone failing to follow these common expected behaviors should be asked to stop, and is expected to comply immediately. <br />
<br />
==== Interacting with people ====<br />
<br />
* ''Be respectful of others' desire not to be bothered.'' If someone wants to focus or finds conversation to be unwanted either typically or on just a given day, we recognize that and enthusiastically accommodate that. We make an effort to directly communicate our wishes, and we also each make an effort to be mindful of body language. If we're uncertain of someone's wishes, we ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Encourage one another.'' If you see someone being awesome or something which is awesome, it's awesome in turn to sing its praises. Motivation can be a rare commodity and can work wonders in terms of creating more of it. <br />
<br />
* ''Don't troll or bait anyone'' into an ideological argument. This is another way we respect each others' wishes.<br />
<br />
* ''Keep info dumps brief.'' Again: be aware of others wishes, and don't force someone to be your audience.<br />
<br />
==== Safety ====<br />
<br />
* ''Never do anything which you aren't certain is safe.'' If you're unsure, ask. Asking a question that feels dumb to be sure is AWESOME. Not asking a question and putting yourself or anyone else at risk is very not awesome.<br />
<br />
==== Noise ====<br />
<br />
* ''Ask before playing music'' or audio if others can hear it.<br />
<br />
* ''Let others know'' if you're about to perform high volume work, such as using saws.<br />
<br />
==== Respect shared stuff ====<br />
<br />
* ''Don't take other people's stuff.'' If you're unsure if something belongs to someone, ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Clearly label your stuff.'' Everything in Sudo Room is hackable until proven otherwise. If you don't want something taken apart and turned into a giant robot the moment your back is turned, leave it in a space designated as yours or mark it clearly with your name, a way to contact you, and the date. <br />
<br />
==== Maintaining the space ====<br />
<br />
* ''Do not live in the space.'' It's extremely disruptive. If money or housing is a problem, talk to people. We care about one another regardless of housing status, and will try to find ways to be supportive. But occupying the space persistently hinders the ability of others to use it.<br />
<br />
* ''Help out.'' We don't have housekeeping service, so clean up after yourself, put things away when you're done, and leave each place you work cleaner after you leave. Take out the trash when it's full and keep open eyes for ways to always make the space a little better.<br />
<br />
* ''Don't BiTTorrent from the space.'' It causes lots of problems for other people trying to use the network. We've also gotten DMCA notices about people snarfing copyrighted content using our links, and these notices are very annoying and unexcellent. Please don't download copyrighted content illegally using our Internet links.<br />
<br />
==== Guests ====<br />
<br />
* ''Consider whether this space is appropriate for a guest.'' Understand that guests must adhere to these community standards and may be exposed to ideas outside of your control. Be aware of this, particularly when bringing minors.<br />
<br />
* ''Pets must be well behaved and under control.'' If you bring a pet to Sudo Room, please ask others in the space if it is OK with them, and please do not stay with your pet if anyone objects.<br />
<br />
==== Fumes and Health Hazards ====<br />
<br />
* ''Limit fumes or health hazards appropriately.'' Use fume extraction or respirators when necessary.<br />
<br />
* ''If you're going to smoke,'' smoke outside on the sidewalk, ''at least 15 feet away from open doorways''. This includes all substances, including tobacco and marijuana. <br />
<br />
==== 501c3 status ====<br />
<br />
* Sudo Room and Omni Commons must not be involved in any activities which could affect legislation or political campaigns, with certain limited exemptions. While not illegal, these activities may be grounds for the IRS to revoke our tax exempt status. Talk to the officers of the corporation for guidance if you are unsure whether your proposed activities will be exempt or not.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&diff=11957About2022-05-12T03:18:36Z<p>Juul: /* Interacting with people */ "Expect people to be outgoing" ? What? Does that mean that introverts aren't prioritized? That doesn't sound welcoming at all. I'm not sure about the "keep info dumps brief" one either. I see what it's trying to say but I think it could probably be said better</p>
<hr />
<div>= About sudo room =<br />
<br />
sudo room is a physical space and community of people in Oakland, CA established during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement Occupy movement].<br />
<br />
We are into technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
<br />
We care about co-learning, co-organizing and co-creating more open, equitable and decentralized structures in the realms of technology, education, science, art, law and beyond.<br />
<br />
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, hack, play and more! <br />
<br />
== Vision ==<br />
<br />
sudo room is a place for people to co-learn, co-create and co-organize. <br />
<br />
We believe that by creating '''welcoming''' facilities and '''open''' infrastructure we will '''engage a diverse community''' of people interested in topics such as community organizing, music, programming, hardware hacking, physics, chemistry, mathematics, security, robotics, art, and beyond. <br />
<br />
Through this community, we hope to collaborate, co-learn and co-create around our shared values both locally and beyond.<br />
<br />
== Culture & Values ==<br />
<br />
We strive to be a supportive '''open''', '''transparent''', '''horizontal''', '''diverse''' and '''welcoming''' community, where people are free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and develop new interests! <br />
<br />
We begin from a point of respect and trust and openness. We believe this builds a strong communal foundation which can foster collaboration and sustain future efforts aimed to improve social relationships and our collective social conditions. Specific guidelines describing expected behavior are outlined in our Code of Conduct, while strictly forbidden behavior is described in [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Omni Commons' Safer Spaces Policy].<br />
<br />
== Mission ==<br />
<br />
sudo room’s mission is to:<br />
<br />
* Provide accessible, clean work spaces and tools to enable individual or collaborative projects or experimentation related to art, science, and technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
* Facilitate education and idea-sharing by providing and maintaining a space for our members and guests to hack, co-learn and to meet and socialize around our values<br />
<br />
And most importantly, to foster a community with shared culture and values.<br />
<br />
== Code of Conduct ==<br />
<br />
This section is intended to define the specific community norms within sudo room. It is expected that members and guests attending sudo room are also following the Omni Commons [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Safer Space Policy] while on the premises (and hopefully beyond!). Most importantly, that policy expects that people inside Omni Commons follow these common expected behaviors (from Section 3):<br />
<br />
* Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.<br />
* Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.<br />
* Attempt collaboration before conflict.<br />
* Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.<br />
* Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.<br />
<br />
Anyone failing to follow these common expected behaviors should be asked to stop, and is expected to comply immediately. <br />
<br />
==== Interacting with people ====<br />
<br />
* ''Be respectful of others' desire not to be bothered.'' If someone wants to focus or finds conversation to be unwanted either typically or on just a given day, we recognize that and enthusiastically accommodate that. We make an effort to directly communicate our wishes, and we also each make an effort to be mindful of body language. If we're uncertain of someone's wishes, we ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Encourage one another.'' If you see someone being awesome or something which is awesome, it's awesome in turn to sing its praises. Motivation can be a rare commodity and can work wonders in terms of creating more of it. <br />
<br />
* ''Don't troll or bait anyone'' into an ideological argument. This is another way we respect each others' wishes.<br />
<br />
* ''Keep info dumps brief.'' Again: be aware of others wishes, and don't force someone to be your audience.<br />
<br />
==== Safety ====<br />
<br />
* ''Never do anything which you aren't certain is safe.'' If you're unsure, ask. Asking a question that feels dumb to be sure is AWESOME. Not asking a question and putting yourself or anyone else at risk is very not awesome.<br />
<br />
==== Noise ====<br />
<br />
* ''Ask before playing music'' or audio if others can hear it.<br />
<br />
* ''Let others know'' if you're about to perform high volume work, such as using saws.<br />
<br />
==== Respect shared stuff ====<br />
<br />
* ''Don't take other people's stuff.'' If you're unsure if something belongs to someone, ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Clearly label your stuff.'' Everything in Sudo Room is hackable until proven otherwise. If you don't want something taken apart and turned into a giant robot the moment your back is turned, leave it in a space designated as yours or mark it clearly with your name, a way to contact you, and the date. <br />
<br />
==== Maintaining the space ====<br />
<br />
* ''Do not live in the space.'' It's extremely disruptive. If money or housing is a problem, talk to people. We care about one another regardless of housing status, and will try to find ways to be supportive. But occupying the space persistently hinders the ability of others to use it.<br />
<br />
* ''Help out.'' We don't have housekeeping service, so clean up after yourself, put things away when you're done, and leave each place you work cleaner after you leave. Take out the trash when it's full and keep open eyes for ways to always make the space a little better.<br />
<br />
* ''Don't BiTTorrent from the space.'' It causes lots of problems for other people trying to use the network. We've also gotten DMCA notices about people snarfing copyrighted content using our links, and these notices are very annoying and unexcellent. Please don't download copyrighted content illegally using our Internet links.<br />
<br />
==== Guests ====<br />
<br />
* ''Consider whether this space is appropriate for a guest.'' Understand that guests must adhere to these community standards and may be exposed to ideas outside of your control. Be aware of this, particularly when bringing minors.<br />
<br />
* ''Pets must be well behaved and under control.'' If you bring a pet to Sudo Room, please ask others in the space if it is OK with them, and please do not stay with your pet if anyone objects.<br />
<br />
==== Fumes and Health Hazards ====<br />
<br />
* ''Limit fumes or health hazards appropriately.'' Use fume extraction or respirators when necessary.<br />
<br />
* ''If you're going to smoke,'' smoke outside on the sidewalk, ''at least 15 feet away from open doorways''. This includes all substances, including tobacco and marijuana. <br />
<br />
==== 501c3 status ====<br />
<br />
* Sudo Room and Omni Commons must not be involved in any activities which could affect legislation or political campaigns, with certain limited exemptions. While not illegal, these activities may be grounds for the IRS to revoke our tax exempt status. Talk to the officers of the corporation for guidance if you are unsure whether your proposed activities will be exempt or not.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=About&diff=11956About2022-05-12T03:16:51Z<p>Juul: Removed stuff about innovation and bland makerspace "yay technology" language. Added stuff based on text from elsewhere in our wiki around our values to make it clear to new people that this isn't just a space for hacking on cool tech. We might want to explicitly add language to explicitly discourage cryptocurrency bros from showing up</p>
<hr />
<div>= About sudo room =<br />
<br />
sudo room is a physical space and community of people in Oakland, CA established during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement Occupy movement].<br />
<br />
We are into technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
<br />
We care about co-learning, co-organizing and co-creating more open, equitable and decentralized structures in the realms of technology, education, science, art, law and beyond.<br />
<br />
We strive to be an open, transparent, horizontal and welcoming community where all are supported and free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, hack, play and more! <br />
<br />
== Vision ==<br />
<br />
sudo room is a place for people to co-learn, co-create and co-organize. <br />
<br />
We believe that by creating '''welcoming''' facilities and '''open''' infrastructure we will '''engage a diverse community''' of people interested in topics such as community organizing, music, programming, hardware hacking, physics, chemistry, mathematics, security, robotics, art, and beyond. <br />
<br />
Through this community, we hope to collaborate, co-learn and co-create around our shared values both locally and beyond.<br />
<br />
== Culture & Values ==<br />
<br />
We strive to be a supportive '''open''', '''transparent''', '''horizontal''', '''diverse''' and '''welcoming''' community, where people are free to learn, create, gather, collaborate, work, play and develop new interests! <br />
<br />
We begin from a point of respect and trust and openness. We believe this builds a strong communal foundation which can foster collaboration and sustain future efforts aimed to improve social relationships and our collective social conditions. Specific guidelines describing expected behavior are outlined in our Code of Conduct, while strictly forbidden behavior is described in [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Omni Commons' Safer Spaces Policy].<br />
<br />
== Mission ==<br />
<br />
sudo room’s mission is to:<br />
<br />
* Provide accessible, clean work spaces and tools to enable individual or collaborative projects or experimentation related to art, science, and technology where it intersects with social justice, resilience, decentralization, sustainability, art, education and solidarity.<br />
* Facilitate education and idea-sharing by providing and maintaining a space for our members and guests to hack, co-learn and to meet and socialize around our values<br />
<br />
And most importantly, to foster a community with shared culture and values.<br />
<br />
== Code of Conduct ==<br />
<br />
This section is intended to define the specific community norms within sudo room. It is expected that members and guests attending sudo room are also following the Omni Commons [https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Safer_Space_Policy Safer Space Policy] while on the premises (and hopefully beyond!). Most importantly, that policy expects that people inside Omni Commons follow these common expected behaviors (from Section 3):<br />
<br />
* Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you contribute to the health and longevity of this community.<br />
* Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions.<br />
* Attempt collaboration before conflict.<br />
* Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory, or harassing behavior and speech.<br />
* Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert community leaders if you notice a dangerous situation, someone in distress, or violations of this Code of Conduct, even if they seem inconsequential.<br />
<br />
Anyone failing to follow these common expected behaviors should be asked to stop, and is expected to comply immediately. <br />
<br />
==== Interacting with people ====<br />
<br />
* ''Expect people to be outgoing.'' Most of us come to Sudo Room eager to learn about each other and our projects. These conversations are foundational to our vision.<br />
<br />
* ''Be respectful of others' desire not to be bothered.'' If someone wants to focus or finds conversation to be unwanted either typically or on just a given day, we recognize that and enthusiastically accommodate that. We make an effort to directly communicate our wishes, and we also each make an effort to be mindful of body language. If we're uncertain of someone's wishes, we ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Encourage one another.'' If you see someone being awesome or something which is awesome, it's awesome in turn to sing its praises. Motivation can be a rare commodity and can work wonders in terms of creating more of it. <br />
<br />
* ''Don't troll or bait anyone'' into an ideological argument. This is another way we respect each others' wishes.<br />
<br />
* ''Keep info dumps brief.'' Again: be aware of others wishes, and don't force someone to be your audience.<br />
<br />
==== Safety ====<br />
<br />
* ''Never do anything which you aren't certain is safe.'' If you're unsure, ask. Asking a question that feels dumb to be sure is AWESOME. Not asking a question and putting yourself or anyone else at risk is very not awesome.<br />
<br />
==== Noise ====<br />
<br />
* ''Ask before playing music'' or audio if others can hear it.<br />
<br />
* ''Let others know'' if you're about to perform high volume work, such as using saws.<br />
<br />
==== Respect shared stuff ====<br />
<br />
* ''Don't take other people's stuff.'' If you're unsure if something belongs to someone, ask.<br />
<br />
* ''Clearly label your stuff.'' Everything in Sudo Room is hackable until proven otherwise. If you don't want something taken apart and turned into a giant robot the moment your back is turned, leave it in a space designated as yours or mark it clearly with your name, a way to contact you, and the date. <br />
<br />
==== Maintaining the space ====<br />
<br />
* ''Do not live in the space.'' It's extremely disruptive. If money or housing is a problem, talk to people. We care about one another regardless of housing status, and will try to find ways to be supportive. But occupying the space persistently hinders the ability of others to use it.<br />
<br />
* ''Help out.'' We don't have housekeeping service, so clean up after yourself, put things away when you're done, and leave each place you work cleaner after you leave. Take out the trash when it's full and keep open eyes for ways to always make the space a little better.<br />
<br />
* ''Don't BiTTorrent from the space.'' It causes lots of problems for other people trying to use the network. We've also gotten DMCA notices about people snarfing copyrighted content using our links, and these notices are very annoying and unexcellent. Please don't download copyrighted content illegally using our Internet links.<br />
<br />
==== Guests ====<br />
<br />
* ''Consider whether this space is appropriate for a guest.'' Understand that guests must adhere to these community standards and may be exposed to ideas outside of your control. Be aware of this, particularly when bringing minors.<br />
<br />
* ''Pets must be well behaved and under control.'' If you bring a pet to Sudo Room, please ask others in the space if it is OK with them, and please do not stay with your pet if anyone objects.<br />
<br />
==== Fumes and Health Hazards ====<br />
<br />
* ''Limit fumes or health hazards appropriately.'' Use fume extraction or respirators when necessary.<br />
<br />
* ''If you're going to smoke,'' smoke outside on the sidewalk, ''at least 15 feet away from open doorways''. This includes all substances, including tobacco and marijuana. <br />
<br />
==== 501c3 status ====<br />
<br />
* Sudo Room and Omni Commons must not be involved in any activities which could affect legislation or political campaigns, with certain limited exemptions. While not illegal, these activities may be grounds for the IRS to revoke our tax exempt status. Talk to the officers of the corporation for guidance if you are unsure whether your proposed activities will be exempt or not.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Network&diff=11853Network2022-04-02T02:57:15Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__<br />
''For more information about sudo room's systems in general, see [[Systems Administration]]''<br />
<br />
The sudo room '''network''' provides internal networking, internet access, wireless service, and some externally accessible devices or services.<br />
<br />
== Main PoE ethernet switch ===<br />
<br />
* HP ProCurve 2910al-480-PoE+ switch<br />
* username: manager or operator<br />
* password: Ask juul or someone on the sysadmins list<br />
* MAC address main switch: a0:b3:cc:ac:e7:c0<br />
* MAC address backup switch (not turned on): c0:91:34:c4:12:00<br />
* Port 1 is VLAN 1 untagged, acting as DHCP client, is management VLAN<br />
* Management possible via HTTP (no SSL) or SSH<br />
* Port 1 is for management, untagged no VLAN and requests an IP using DHCP (not plugged into anything right now)<br />
* Port 2 and 3 are for tagged access to VLANs 2 and 3 (public and private)<br />
* Ports 4 to 24 are for untagged access to VLAN 2 (public)<br />
* Ports 25 to 48 are for untagged access to VLAN 3 (private)<br />
<br />
== WAN ==<br />
<br />
Internet access comes from LMI. The modem is connected through VDSL copper next to the Omni main electrical panels.<br />
<br />
The modem is up in the rack area near '''saros''' (a desktop computer running Debian Stretch) which serves as the primary gateway router.<br />
<br />
Our public IP is 142.254.26.9 aka '''room.sudoroom.org'''.<br />
<br />
== LAN ==<br />
* Wifi subnet: 100.64.64.0/22<br />
** 100.64.64.2 to 100.64.64.49: legacy static range<br />
** 100.64.64.50 to 100.64.67.250: DHCP<br />
* Wired subnet: 192.168.0.0/16<br />
** 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.41.254: unused for now<br />
** 192.168.42.2 to 192.168.49.254: self assigned static range<br />
** 192.168.50.1 to 192.168.200.254: DHCP<br />
<br />
This list of static IPs may not be complete. Before choosing a static IP, please use ping or nmap to check it first.<br />
<br />
By request, we can reserve an IP from the DHCP pool and/or forward ports for you. Please send the MAC address and/or desired ports to [mailto:sysadmins@omnicommons.org sysadmins@omnicommons.org]<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable sortable blue_lines"<br />
|+ Machines with static IPs<br />
! style="width:120px;" data-sort-type="IPAddress" | IPv4 Address<br />
! style="width:110px;" data-sort-type="IPAddress" | IPv6 or MAC Address<br />
! style="width:110px;" | Assigned to<br />
! class="unsortable" | Notes<br />
! Who set it up?<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.1<br />
|<br />
| saros<br />
| router<br />
| [[User:yar|Yar]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.1<br />
|<br />
| saros<br />
| router<br />
| [[User:yar|Yar]]<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.2<br />
| fd4f:dc5d:8d1::1<br />
| [[space.local]]<br />
| Former gateway/router. Located in the sudo room server "room".<br />
| maxb and somebody<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.11<br />
|<br />
| omnidoor<br />
| beaglebone black controlling the door<br />
| juul and jake<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.3<br />
| No IPv6 address<br />
| No host name<br />
| Dell PowerConnect 5324 24 port gigabit switch<br />
| juul<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.4<br />
| No IPv6 address<br />
| No host name<br />
| Dell PowerConnect 5448 48 port gigabit switch<br />
| juul<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.6<br />
| fe80::219:b9ff:fe17:821c<br />
| reproxy.local<br />
| Load balancer and reverse proxy (not yet in commission).<br />
| wrought<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.7<br />
| fe80::214:22ff:feb0:606<br />
| shell.local<br />
| Shell server (not yet in commission).<br />
| wrought<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.9<br />
| <br />
| BespokeBridge<br />
| temporary wireless bridge to '''LaCommuneFront''' for public terminals near den in upstairs mezzanine<br />
| [[User:Wrought|wrought]]<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.10<br />
| <br />
| nodeconf.local<br />
| The sudo mesh node configuration and build server<br />
| Primarily [[User:Juul|juul]] and maxb<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.88<br />
| 00:21:b7:80:59:47<br />
| ET0021B7805947.local<br />
| [[Lexmark T654dn | Lexmark T654dn laser printer]]<br />
| [[User:Jerkey|jerkey]]<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.12<br />
| <br />
| <br />
| [[Brother_HL-2270DW| Brother HL-2270DW laser printer]] (wifi)<br />
| [[User:Yar|yar]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.20<br />
| 00:17:31:e6:01:a3<br />
| 3d-printer.local<br />
| [[sudobot-3d| 3d printer desktop computer & giant_robot_arm serial host]]<br />
| [[User:jake|jake]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.27<br />
| C0:3F:D5:6F:25:68<br />
| orangenuk.local<br />
| [[bigtv| orange fanless PC connected to the big TV above skülgaard]]<br />
| [[User:jake|jake]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.30<br />
| <br />
| <br />
| [[omniphwn| omniphwn asterisk telephony server]]<br />
| [[User:jake|jake]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.31 through .60<br />
| <br />
| <br />
| [[VOIP_phones| voip telephone extensions]]<br />
| [[User:jake|jake]] and [[User:Muxlux|muxlux]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.81<br />
| 78:a5:04:ca:a4:f7<br />
| vending1.local<br />
| [[Hack-o-mat| vending machine beaglebone?]]<br />
| [[User:jake|jake]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.64.82<br />
| b8:27:eb:14:14:36<br />
| vending2.local<br />
| [[Hack-o-mat| brown vending machine raspi]]<br />
| [[User:jake|jake]]<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.22<br />
| Used only to build sudo mesh firmware and turned off when not in use.<br />
| meshbuild.local<br />
| [[Mesh/Build server|sudo mesh build server]]<br />
| [[User:Juul|juul]]<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.24<br />
| <br />
| ccl.local<br />
| The Counter Culture Labs server. Located in the sudo room server rack.<br />
| [[User:Juul|juul]]<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.47<br />
| <br />
| spartacus.local<br />
| Dell desktop proxy server, apt server, for setting up new computers <br />
| [[User:biged|biged]]<br />
|-<br />
| 100.64.65.229<br />
| <br />
| <br />
| ruckus_wifi_controller<br />
| ?<br />
|-<br />
| 192.168.42.11<br />
| <br />
| <br />
| mynet<br />
| ?<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Wireless Access Points ==<br />
<br />
All of the indoor wifi is being served up by [[Mesh/OmniWifi|TP-Link N750 routers modified for PoE]] running OpenWRT and configured as bridges with static IPs. <br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable blue_lines"<br />
!SSID<br />
!Security<br />
!Key<br />
!MAC<br />
!IP<br />
!Channel<br />
!Location<br />
!Hardware<br />
!Who set it up?<br />
|-<br />
|peoplesopen.net-omniroof<br />
|open<br />
|''n/a''<br />
|Find Me<br />
|100.64.64.4<br />
|161 (5ghz)<br />
|On flagpole on roof<br />
|Ubiquiti NanoBeam<br />
|[[User:Juul|juul]]<br />
|-<br />
|peoplesopen.net<br />
|open<br />
|''n/a''<br />
|Find Me<br />
|100.64.64.2<br />
|11 (2.4ghz) and 36 (5ghz)<br />
|Above entrance to CCL<br />
|TP-Link N750<br />
|[[User:Juul|juul]]<br />
|-<br />
|peoplesopen.net<br />
|open<br />
|''n/a''<br />
|Find Me<br />
|100.64.64.3<br />
|6 (2.4ghz) and 165 (5ghz)<br />
|middle of basement<br />
|TP-Link N750<br />
|[[User:Juul|juul]]<br />
|-<br />
|sudomesh<br />
|open<br />
|''n/a''<br />
|Find Me<br />
|192.168.42.18<br />
|11<br />
|zip-tied near server rack<br />
|Ubiquiti Nanostation M2 Loco<br />
|[[User:Juul|juul]]<br />
|-<br />
|Omni Ballroom<br />
|open<br />
|''n/a''<br />
|Find Me<br />
|192.168.42.19<br />
|11<br />
|Ballroom near stage<br />
|Ubiquiti Picostation 2<br />
|[[User:Maxb|maxb]]<br />
}<br />
<br />
[[Category:Network]]</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Wood_st_solar_4G&diff=11832Mesh/Wood st solar 4G2022-02-23T01:04:08Z<p>Juul: Created page with " = Questions = * Do LiFePo4 batteries off-gas or can they be sealed? * Is there existing infrastructure where we can mount stuff = To buy = == Modem == * [https://thewirelesshaven.com/shop/modems-hotspots/4g-modems/m2-modems/sierra-wireless-em7565-cat-12-lte-a-pro-modem/ Sierra EM7565 Cat 12] * [https://thewirelesshaven.com/shop/modems-hotspots/4g-modems/m2-modems/quectel-em12-g-cat12-m-2-modem/ Quectel EM12 Cat 12] == Router == Is there a good OpenWRT router with..."</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= Questions =<br />
<br />
* Do LiFePo4 batteries off-gas or can they be sealed?<br />
* Is there existing infrastructure where we can mount stuff<br />
<br />
= To buy =<br />
<br />
== Modem ==<br />
<br />
* [https://thewirelesshaven.com/shop/modems-hotspots/4g-modems/m2-modems/sierra-wireless-em7565-cat-12-lte-a-pro-modem/ Sierra EM7565 Cat 12]<br />
* [https://thewirelesshaven.com/shop/modems-hotspots/4g-modems/m2-modems/quectel-em12-g-cat12-m-2-modem/ Quectel EM12 Cat 12]<br />
<br />
== Router ==<br />
<br />
Is there a good OpenWRT router with USB? USB 2 is probably fine. Possibilities:<br />
<br />
* [https://thewirelesshaven.com/shop/routers/router-brands/wifix-nex-routers/nexq6go-m-router/ NEXQ6GO-M from ltefix]<br />
<br />
== Battery ==<br />
<br />
One of those 12V LiFePO4 modules that look like a lead acid battery and includes BMS? Downside: Monitoring state of charge from voltage is hard but we probably don't need that, just low voltage cut-off.<br />
<br />
== Battery cut-off circuit ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.tindie.com/products/abishofs/lead-acid-battery-protector-15a/ Latvian adjustable Tindie thing]<br />
<br />
== Solar charge controller ==<br />
<br />
* Just one of those MPPT things of ebay/amazon<br />
* Also maybe we could try to make one of the [https://libre.solar/hardware/mppt-1210-hus.html libre.solar devices] though the microcontroller can be scarce (mouser has them right now)<br />
<br />
== Solar panel == <br />
<br />
We want a flexible panel. Maybe 100 W.<br />
<br />
== Mounting ==<br />
<br />
Need to sync with folks there.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physical_access_control&diff=11811Physical access control2021-10-28T06:38:14Z<p>Juul: /* Off the shelf */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= Software =<br />
<br />
We (Omni) are currently using:<br />
<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans<br />
<br />
We are working on a new system for all of Omni.<br />
<br />
Here is a [[list of existing hackerspace access control software]] with some notes for each.<br />
<br />
= Hardware = <br />
<br />
== Access tokens ==<br />
<br />
The front door and old system uses magnetic stripe cards.<br />
<br />
The new system uses NFC tokens. As long as they have a unique ID and speak NFC they should work.<br />
<br />
== Computers ==<br />
<br />
The Omni front door uses a Beagle Bone Black with battery backup present in the same box.<br />
<br />
The sudo/ccl door currently doesn't have a computer but we are working on it.<br />
<br />
== Microcontrollers ==<br />
<br />
The Omni front door uses an Arduino hooked to the BBB. Jake knows more. It is powered from the BBB.<br />
<br />
The sudo/ccl door uses an ESP32 running [https://esphome.io/ ESPHome] firmware. The yml config is [https://github.com/sudoroom/esphome-omnidoor-rfid here]. It talks to an RC522 RFID module over SPI, reading every second and returns the read as the event "tag_scanned" with the NFC tag ID. It has an API service that Home Assistant can call, named "unlock_door" which turns on the GPIO pin controlling the solenoid. Changing the PWM power and amount requires re-flashing which can be done over the air (OTA). It uses a few transistors to control the 12 VDC for the solenoid. Alex made this circuit. The ESP32 board is powered from a 5 V regulator which is powered by the same 12 V as the solenoid. <br />
<br />
It is planned that the power for the ESP32 and solenoid will ultimately come from PoE with a central battery backup in the server closet which will also server as power backup for the new access control computer.<br />
<br />
== Electric strikes ==<br />
<br />
Both the Omni front door and sudo/ccl door use electric strikes. These just need 12 V and enough amps.<br />
<br />
To control the strikes from a microcontroller the Omni front door arduino uses some sort of motor controller board. Jake knows about it.<br />
<br />
== Smart locks ==<br />
<br />
=== Off the shelf ===<br />
<br />
juul has been testing the August Smart Lock Pro which speaks z-wave. He wrote up a [https://gist.github.com/Juul/755ac2895a4b1ea430d5edd31abbf82f guide] on how to use it with Home Assistant.<br />
<br />
=== Custom hackery solution ===<br />
<br />
Since none of the off-the-shelf solutions do exactly what we want, we could instead build our own. One way would be to use a z-wave smartlock and add our own control electronics for wifi / bluetooth / rfid. Unfortunately those locks start at around $150. <br />
<br />
Another option is to build pretty much the whole thing from scratch from a deadbolt and a $17 3 V smartlock motor from Aliexpress (our spam filter is blocking Aliexpress links but go to their .com/item/4000226861796.html ). This would require some mechanical fabrication which seems like a bit much.<br />
<br />
A simple but still lower cost option is to add e.g. an ESP32 and a Nordic low power bluetooth module to the cheapest possible battery-operated electronic deadbolt. If we want something with a replaceable and re-keyable mechanical lock core then [https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-92640-001-Contemporary-Electronic-Motorized/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ kwikset sells one for $60] and there are some no-brand versions around for a bit less. <br />
<br />
We could then have the ESP32 operate in low power wifi client mode and keep an updated access control list, then let folks open the doors with their phones using wifi or bluetooth where bluetooth would continue working as long as the lock has batteries. We could even potentially use the built-in buttons to wake up an RFID reader for a few seconds if that doesn't drain the battery too much. We would of course rip out the existing control circuitry.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physical_access_control&diff=11810Physical access control2021-10-28T06:37:43Z<p>Juul: /* Hardware */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= Software =<br />
<br />
We (Omni) are currently using:<br />
<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans<br />
<br />
We are working on a new system for all of Omni.<br />
<br />
Here is a [[list of existing hackerspace access control software]] with some notes for each.<br />
<br />
= Hardware = <br />
<br />
== Access tokens ==<br />
<br />
The front door and old system uses magnetic stripe cards.<br />
<br />
The new system uses NFC tokens. As long as they have a unique ID and speak NFC they should work.<br />
<br />
== Computers ==<br />
<br />
The Omni front door uses a Beagle Bone Black with battery backup present in the same box.<br />
<br />
The sudo/ccl door currently doesn't have a computer but we are working on it.<br />
<br />
== Microcontrollers ==<br />
<br />
The Omni front door uses an Arduino hooked to the BBB. Jake knows more. It is powered from the BBB.<br />
<br />
The sudo/ccl door uses an ESP32 running [https://esphome.io/ ESPHome] firmware. The yml config is [https://github.com/sudoroom/esphome-omnidoor-rfid here]. It talks to an RC522 RFID module over SPI, reading every second and returns the read as the event "tag_scanned" with the NFC tag ID. It has an API service that Home Assistant can call, named "unlock_door" which turns on the GPIO pin controlling the solenoid. Changing the PWM power and amount requires re-flashing which can be done over the air (OTA). It uses a few transistors to control the 12 VDC for the solenoid. Alex made this circuit. The ESP32 board is powered from a 5 V regulator which is powered by the same 12 V as the solenoid. <br />
<br />
It is planned that the power for the ESP32 and solenoid will ultimately come from PoE with a central battery backup in the server closet which will also server as power backup for the new access control computer.<br />
<br />
== Electric strikes ==<br />
<br />
Both the Omni front door and sudo/ccl door use electric strikes. These just need 12 V and enough amps.<br />
<br />
To control the strikes from a microcontroller the Omni front door arduino uses some sort of motor controller board. Jake knows about it.<br />
<br />
== Smart locks ==<br />
<br />
=== Off the shelf ===<br />
<br />
juul has been testing the August Smart Lock Pro which speaks z-wave. He wrote up a [guide](https://gist.github.com/Juul/755ac2895a4b1ea430d5edd31abbf82f) on how to use it with Home Assistant.<br />
<br />
=== Custom hackery solution ===<br />
<br />
Since none of the off-the-shelf solutions do exactly what we want, we could instead build our own. One way would be to use a z-wave smartlock and add our own control electronics for wifi / bluetooth / rfid. Unfortunately those locks start at around $150. <br />
<br />
Another option is to build pretty much the whole thing from scratch from a deadbolt and a $17 3 V smartlock motor from Aliexpress (our spam filter is blocking Aliexpress links but go to their .com/item/4000226861796.html ). This would require some mechanical fabrication which seems like a bit much.<br />
<br />
A simple but still lower cost option is to add e.g. an ESP32 and a Nordic low power bluetooth module to the cheapest possible battery-operated electronic deadbolt. If we want something with a replaceable and re-keyable mechanical lock core then [https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-92640-001-Contemporary-Electronic-Motorized/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ kwikset sells one for $60] and there are some no-brand versions around for a bit less. <br />
<br />
We could then have the ESP32 operate in low power wifi client mode and keep an updated access control list, then let folks open the doors with their phones using wifi or bluetooth where bluetooth would continue working as long as the lock has batteries. We could even potentially use the built-in buttons to wake up an RFID reader for a few seconds if that doesn't drain the battery too much. We would of course rip out the existing control circuitry.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physical_access_control&diff=11809Physical access control2021-10-28T06:36:26Z<p>Juul: /* Hardware */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= Software =<br />
<br />
We (Omni) are currently using:<br />
<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans<br />
<br />
We are working on a new system for all of Omni.<br />
<br />
Here is a [[list of existing hackerspace access control software]] with some notes for each.<br />
<br />
= Hardware = <br />
<br />
== Computers ==<br />
<br />
The Omni front door uses a Beagle Bone Black with battery backup present in the same box.<br />
<br />
The sudo/ccl door currently doesn't have a computer but we are working on it.<br />
<br />
== Microcontrollers ==<br />
<br />
The Omni front door uses an Arduino hooked to the BBB. Jake knows more. It is powered from the BBB.<br />
<br />
The sudo/ccl door uses an ESP32 running [https://esphome.io/ ESPHome] firmware. The yml config is [https://github.com/sudoroom/esphome-omnidoor-rfid here]. It talks to an RC522 RFID module over SPI, reading every second and returns the read as the event "tag_scanned" with the NFC tag ID. It has an API service that Home Assistant can call, named "unlock_door" which turns on the GPIO pin controlling the solenoid. Changing the PWM power and amount requires re-flashing which can be done over the air (OTA). It uses a few transistors to control the 12 VDC for the solenoid. Alex made this circuit. The ESP32 board is powered from a 5 V regulator which is powered by the same 12 V as the solenoid. <br />
<br />
It is planned that the power for the ESP32 and solenoid will ultimately come from PoE with a central battery backup in the server closet which will also server as power backup for the new access control computer.<br />
<br />
== Electric strikes ==<br />
<br />
Both the Omni front door and sudo/ccl door use electric strikes. These just need 12 V and enough amps.<br />
<br />
To control the strikes from a microcontroller the Omni front door arduino uses some sort of motor controller board. Jake knows about it.<br />
<br />
== Smart locks ==<br />
<br />
=== Off the shelf ===<br />
<br />
juul has been testing the August Smart Lock Pro which speaks z-wave. He wrote up a [guide](https://gist.github.com/Juul/755ac2895a4b1ea430d5edd31abbf82f) on how to use it with Home Assistant.<br />
<br />
=== Custom hackery solution ===<br />
<br />
Since none of the off-the-shelf solutions do exactly what we want, we could instead build our own. One way would be to use a z-wave smartlock and add our own control electronics for wifi / bluetooth / rfid. Unfortunately those locks start at around $150. <br />
<br />
Another option is to build pretty much the whole thing from scratch from a deadbolt and a $17 3 V smartlock motor from Aliexpress (our spam filter is blocking Aliexpress links but go to their .com/item/4000226861796.html ). This would require some mechanical fabrication which seems like a bit much.<br />
<br />
A simple but still lower cost option is to add e.g. an ESP32 and a Nordic low power bluetooth module to the cheapest possible battery-operated electronic deadbolt. If we want something with a replaceable and re-keyable mechanical lock core then [https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-92640-001-Contemporary-Electronic-Motorized/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ kwikset sells one for $60] and there are some no-brand versions around for a bit less. <br />
<br />
We could then have the ESP32 operate in low power wifi client mode and keep an updated access control list, then let folks open the doors with their phones using wifi or bluetooth where bluetooth would continue working as long as the lock has batteries. We could even potentially use the built-in buttons to wake up an RFID reader for a few seconds if that doesn't drain the battery too much. We would of course rip out the existing control circuitry.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physical_access_control&diff=11808Physical access control2021-10-28T06:23:58Z<p>Juul: /* Electric strikes */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= Software =<br />
<br />
We (Omni) are currently using:<br />
<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans<br />
<br />
We are working on a new system for all of Omni.<br />
<br />
Here is a [[list of existing hackerspace access control software]] with some notes for each.<br />
<br />
= Hardware = <br />
<br />
== Electric strikes ==<br />
<br />
Both the Omni front door and sudo/ccl door use electric strikes. These just need 12 V and enough amps.<br />
<br />
== Smart locks ==<br />
<br />
=== Off the shelf ===<br />
<br />
juul has been testing the August Smart Lock Pro which speaks z-wave. He wrote up a [guide](https://gist.github.com/Juul/755ac2895a4b1ea430d5edd31abbf82f) on how to use it with Home Assistant.<br />
<br />
=== Custom hackery solution ===<br />
<br />
Since none of the off-the-shelf solutions do exactly what we want, we could instead build our own. One way would be to use a z-wave smartlock and add our own control electronics for wifi / bluetooth / rfid. Unfortunately those locks start at around $150. <br />
<br />
Another option is to build pretty much the whole thing from scratch from a deadbolt and a $17 3 V smartlock motor from Aliexpress (our spam filter is blocking Aliexpress links but go to their .com/item/4000226861796.html ). This would require some mechanical fabrication which seems like a bit much.<br />
<br />
A simple but still lower cost option is to add e.g. an ESP32 and a Nordic low power bluetooth module to the cheapest possible battery-operated electronic deadbolt. If we want something with a replaceable and re-keyable mechanical lock core then [https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-92640-001-Contemporary-Electronic-Motorized/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ kwikset sells one for $60] and there are some no-brand versions around for a bit less. <br />
<br />
We could then have the ESP32 operate in low power wifi client mode and keep an updated access control list, then let folks open the doors with their phones using wifi or bluetooth where bluetooth would continue working as long as the lock has batteries. We could even potentially use the built-in buttons to wake up an RFID reader for a few seconds if that doesn't drain the battery too much. We would of course rip out the existing control circuitry.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physical_access_control&diff=11807Physical access control2021-10-28T06:23:10Z<p>Juul: /* Off the shelf */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= Software =<br />
<br />
We (Omni) are currently using:<br />
<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans<br />
<br />
We are working on a new system for all of Omni.<br />
<br />
Here is a [[list of existing hackerspace access control software]] with some notes for each.<br />
<br />
= Hardware = <br />
<br />
== Electric strikes ==<br />
<br />
== Smart locks ==<br />
<br />
=== Off the shelf ===<br />
<br />
juul has been testing the August Smart Lock Pro which speaks z-wave. He wrote up a [guide](https://gist.github.com/Juul/755ac2895a4b1ea430d5edd31abbf82f) on how to use it with Home Assistant.<br />
<br />
=== Custom hackery solution ===<br />
<br />
Since none of the off-the-shelf solutions do exactly what we want, we could instead build our own. One way would be to use a z-wave smartlock and add our own control electronics for wifi / bluetooth / rfid. Unfortunately those locks start at around $150. <br />
<br />
Another option is to build pretty much the whole thing from scratch from a deadbolt and a $17 3 V smartlock motor from Aliexpress (our spam filter is blocking Aliexpress links but go to their .com/item/4000226861796.html ). This would require some mechanical fabrication which seems like a bit much.<br />
<br />
A simple but still lower cost option is to add e.g. an ESP32 and a Nordic low power bluetooth module to the cheapest possible battery-operated electronic deadbolt. If we want something with a replaceable and re-keyable mechanical lock core then [https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-92640-001-Contemporary-Electronic-Motorized/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ kwikset sells one for $60] and there are some no-brand versions around for a bit less. <br />
<br />
We could then have the ESP32 operate in low power wifi client mode and keep an updated access control list, then let folks open the doors with their phones using wifi or bluetooth where bluetooth would continue working as long as the lock has batteries. We could even potentially use the built-in buttons to wake up an RFID reader for a few seconds if that doesn't drain the battery too much. We would of course rip out the existing control circuitry.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Big_red_laser_cutter&diff=11804Big red laser cutter2021-10-20T07:13:14Z<p>Juul: Created page with "The big red laser cutter in sudo room is some no-name model. It uses a Ruida 644XG control board and LightBurn can speak to it (we were running LightBurn 0.9.24 earlier but th..."</p>
<hr />
<div>The big red laser cutter in sudo room is some no-name model. It uses a Ruida 644XG control board and LightBurn can speak to it (we were running LightBurn 0.9.24 earlier but the 30 day trial expired).<br />
<br />
The Melbourne Makerspace has the same laser and have a [https://wiki.melbournemakerspace.org/Laser%20Cutter nicely written wiki page on it].<br />
<br />
As mentioned, RDWorks can also be used. We haven't tried it yet but it seems it's a free download [https://www.thunderlaser.com/laser-download from here].</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Mcint&diff=11793User talk:Mcint2021-07-01T03:21:11Z<p>Juul: Welcome!</p>
<hr />
<div>'''Welcome to ''Sudo Room''!'''<br />
We hope you will contribute much and well.<br />
You will probably want to read the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Contents help pages].<br />
Again, welcome and have fun! [[User:Juul|Juul]] ([[User talk:Juul|talk]]) 20:21, 30 June 2021 (PDT)</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physical_access_control&diff=11772Physical access control2021-05-19T11:15:31Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= Software =<br />
<br />
We (Omni) are currently using:<br />
<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans<br />
<br />
We are working on a new system for all of Omni.<br />
<br />
Here is a [[list of existing hackerspace access control software]] with some notes for each.<br />
<br />
= Hardware = <br />
<br />
== Electric strikes ==<br />
<br />
== Smart locks ==<br />
<br />
=== Off the shelf ===<br />
<br />
=== Custom hackery solution ===<br />
<br />
Since none of the off-the-shelf solutions do exactly what we want, we could instead build our own. One way would be to use a z-wave smartlock and add our own control electronics for wifi / bluetooth / rfid. Unfortunately those locks start at around $150. <br />
<br />
Another option is to build pretty much the whole thing from scratch from a deadbolt and a $17 3 V smartlock motor from Aliexpress (our spam filter is blocking Aliexpress links but go to their .com/item/4000226861796.html ). This would require some mechanical fabrication which seems like a bit much.<br />
<br />
A simple but still lower cost option is to add e.g. an ESP32 and a Nordic low power bluetooth module to the cheapest possible battery-operated electronic deadbolt. If we want something with a replaceable and re-keyable mechanical lock core then [https://www.amazon.com/Kwikset-92640-001-Contemporary-Electronic-Motorized/dp/B00R7JVFCE/ kwikset sells one for $60] and there are some no-brand versions around for a bit less. <br />
<br />
We could then have the ESP32 operate in low power wifi client mode and keep an updated access control list, then let folks open the doors with their phones using wifi or bluetooth where bluetooth would continue working as long as the lock has batteries. We could even potentially use the built-in buttons to wake up an RFID reader for a few seconds if that doesn't drain the battery too much. We would of course rip out the existing control circuitry.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=List_of_existing_hackerspace_access_control_software&diff=11771List of existing hackerspace access control software2021-05-15T03:43:08Z<p>Juul: </p>
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<div><br />
= List of hackerspace software =<br />
<br />
https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackerspace_Software<br />
<br />
= Hackerspaces and their solutions =<br />
<br />
== Hackerspace Brisbane (HSBNE) ==<br />
<br />
MemberMatters: https://github.com/membermatters/membermatters<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Frontend: Modern javascript single page web app<br />
* Documentation: Yes, in the git repo<br />
* Mature: Yes<br />
* Supports subgroups: No. See [https://github.com/membermatters/MemberMatters/issues/136 this github issue]<br />
<br />
== OpenCollective ==<br />
<br />
Website: https://opencollective.com/<br />
<br />
Not a hackerspace. Not meant for access control. Would definitely need features added.<br />
<br />
== i3 Detroit hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
SeltzerCRM: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP<br />
* Documentation: Yes: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer/wiki<br />
* Supports subgroups: No<br />
<br />
== Metalab Austria ==<br />
<br />
Metalab Operating System: https://github.com/Metalab/mos/<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Not really? (and yes I searched their wiki)<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
<br />
== Vancouver Hackspace (VHS) ==<br />
<br />
nomos: https://github.com/vhs/nomos<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP + MySQL<br />
* Documentation: https://github.com/vhs/nomos/wiki<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
* Cool feature: Also handles inventory<br />
<br />
== Shackspace Stuttgart ==<br />
<br />
byro: https://github.com/byro/byro<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Yes, linked from git repo<br />
* Mature: Fairly new. Probably light on features.<br />
<br />
== HeatSync Labs Arizona ==<br />
<br />
OAC Web Interface: https://github.com/zyphlar/Open-Source-Access-Control-Web-Interface<br />
<br />
* Backend: Ruby on Rails<br />
* Still maintained: No<br />
<br />
<br />
== ATX hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control<br />
<br />
People: https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control_Deployment_Committee<br />
<br />
== Hacklab Toronto ==<br />
<br />
https://knowledge.hacklab.to/wiki/Hacklab_2.0_Infrastructure<br />
<br />
Limited info<br />
<br />
== Kreitek Tenerife ==<br />
<br />
https://github.com/torehc/carontepass-v2<br />
<br />
Unmaintained and their wiki is down so not sure if they're still using it.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=List_of_existing_hackerspace_access_control_software&diff=11770List of existing hackerspace access control software2021-05-15T03:40:56Z<p>Juul: /* Hackerspace Brisbane (HSBNE) */</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= List of hackerspace software =<br />
<br />
https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackerspace_Software<br />
<br />
= Hackerspaces and their solutions =<br />
<br />
== Hackerspace Brisbane (HSBNE) ==<br />
<br />
MemberMatters: https://github.com/membermatters/membermatters<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Frontend: Modern javascript single page web app<br />
* Documentation: Yes, in the git repo<br />
* Mature: Yes<br />
* Supports subgroups: No. See [https://github.com/membermatters/MemberMatters/issues/136 this github issue]<br />
<br />
== i3 Detroit hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
SeltzerCRM: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP<br />
* Documentation: Yes: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer/wiki<br />
* Supports subgroups: No<br />
<br />
== Metalab Austria ==<br />
<br />
Metalab Operating System: https://github.com/Metalab/mos/<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Not really? (and yes I searched their wiki)<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
<br />
== Vancouver Hackspace (VHS) ==<br />
<br />
nomos: https://github.com/vhs/nomos<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP + MySQL<br />
* Documentation: https://github.com/vhs/nomos/wiki<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
* Cool feature: Also handles inventory<br />
<br />
== Shackspace Stuttgart ==<br />
<br />
byro: https://github.com/byro/byro<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Yes, linked from git repo<br />
* Mature: Fairly new. Probably light on features.<br />
<br />
== HeatSync Labs Arizona ==<br />
<br />
OAC Web Interface: https://github.com/zyphlar/Open-Source-Access-Control-Web-Interface<br />
<br />
* Backend: Ruby on Rails<br />
* Still maintained: No<br />
<br />
<br />
== ATX hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control<br />
<br />
People: https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control_Deployment_Committee<br />
<br />
== Hacklab Toronto ==<br />
<br />
https://knowledge.hacklab.to/wiki/Hacklab_2.0_Infrastructure<br />
<br />
Limited info<br />
<br />
== Kreitek Tenerife ==<br />
<br />
https://github.com/torehc/carontepass-v2<br />
<br />
Unmaintained and their wiki is down so not sure if they're still using it.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=List_of_existing_hackerspace_access_control_software&diff=11769List of existing hackerspace access control software2021-05-14T05:52:44Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= List of hackerspace software =<br />
<br />
https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackerspace_Software<br />
<br />
= Hackerspaces and their solutions =<br />
<br />
== Hackerspace Brisbane (HSBNE) ==<br />
<br />
MemberMatters: https://github.com/membermatters/membermatters<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Frontend: Modern javascript single page web app<br />
* Documentation: Yes, in the git repo<br />
* Mature: Yes<br />
* Supports subgroups: Work in progress<br />
<br />
== i3 Detroit hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
SeltzerCRM: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP<br />
* Documentation: Yes: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer/wiki<br />
* Supports subgroups: No<br />
<br />
== Metalab Austria ==<br />
<br />
Metalab Operating System: https://github.com/Metalab/mos/<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Not really? (and yes I searched their wiki)<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
<br />
== Vancouver Hackspace (VHS) ==<br />
<br />
nomos: https://github.com/vhs/nomos<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP + MySQL<br />
* Documentation: https://github.com/vhs/nomos/wiki<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
* Cool feature: Also handles inventory<br />
<br />
== Shackspace Stuttgart ==<br />
<br />
byro: https://github.com/byro/byro<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Yes, linked from git repo<br />
* Mature: Fairly new. Probably light on features.<br />
<br />
== HeatSync Labs Arizona ==<br />
<br />
OAC Web Interface: https://github.com/zyphlar/Open-Source-Access-Control-Web-Interface<br />
<br />
* Backend: Ruby on Rails<br />
* Still maintained: No<br />
<br />
<br />
== ATX hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control<br />
<br />
People: https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control_Deployment_Committee<br />
<br />
== Hacklab Toronto ==<br />
<br />
https://knowledge.hacklab.to/wiki/Hacklab_2.0_Infrastructure<br />
<br />
Limited info<br />
<br />
== Kreitek Tenerife ==<br />
<br />
https://github.com/torehc/carontepass-v2<br />
<br />
Unmaintained and their wiki is down so not sure if they're still using it.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=List_of_existing_hackerspace_access_control_software&diff=11760List of existing hackerspace access control software2021-05-04T07:00:01Z<p>Juul: Created page with " = List of hackerspace software = https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackerspace_Software = Hackerspaces and their solutions = == i3 Detroit hackerspace == SeltzerCRM: https://..."</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
= List of hackerspace software =<br />
<br />
https://wiki.hackerspaces.org/Hackerspace_Software<br />
<br />
= Hackerspaces and their solutions =<br />
<br />
== i3 Detroit hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
SeltzerCRM: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP<br />
* Documentation: Yes: https://github.com/elplatt/seltzer/wiki<br />
<br />
== Hackerspace Brisbane (HSBNE) ==<br />
<br />
MemberMatters: https://github.com/membermatters/membermatters<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Frontend: Modern javascript single page web app<br />
* Documentation: Yes, in the git repo<br />
* Mature: Yes<br />
<br />
== Metalab Austria ==<br />
<br />
Metalab Operating System: https://github.com/Metalab/mos/<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Not really? (and yes I searched their wiki)<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
<br />
== Vancouver Hackspace (VHS) ==<br />
<br />
nomos: https://github.com/vhs/nomos<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: PHP + MySQL<br />
* Documentation: https://github.com/vhs/nomos/wiki<br />
* Mature: Probably<br />
* Cool feature: Also handles inventory<br />
<br />
== Shackspace Stuttgart ==<br />
<br />
byro: https://github.com/byro/byro<br />
<br />
* Still maintained: Yes!<br />
* Backend: Django<br />
* Documentation: Yes, linked from git repo<br />
* Mature: Fairly new. Probably light on features.<br />
<br />
== HeatSync Labs Arizona ==<br />
<br />
OAC Web Interface: https://github.com/zyphlar/Open-Source-Access-Control-Web-Interface<br />
<br />
* Backend: Ruby on Rails<br />
* Still maintained: No<br />
<br />
<br />
== ATX hackerspace ==<br />
<br />
https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control<br />
<br />
People: https://wiki.atxhs.org/wiki/Access_Control_Deployment_Committee<br />
<br />
== Hacklab Toronto ==<br />
<br />
https://knowledge.hacklab.to/wiki/Hacklab_2.0_Infrastructure<br />
<br />
Limited info<br />
<br />
== Kreitek Tenerife ==<br />
<br />
https://github.com/torehc/carontepass-v2<br />
<br />
Unmaintained and their wiki is down so not sure if they're still using it.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Physical_access_control&diff=11759Physical access control2021-05-04T06:58:43Z<p>Juul: Created page with " We (Omni) are currently using: * https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam * https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans We are working on a new system for all of Omni. Here is a ..."</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
We (Omni) are currently using:<br />
<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/doorjam<br />
* https://github.com/sudoroom/sudo-humans<br />
<br />
We are working on a new system for all of Omni.<br />
<br />
Here is a [[list of existing hackerspace access control software]] with some notes for each.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Next_gen_hardware&diff=11758Mesh/Next gen hardware2021-04-20T11:57:27Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>Based on our [[Mesh/New router research|new router research]] we are edging towards recommending the [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 Xiaomi Redmi AC2100] as a replacement for the Western Digital My Net N600. The Redmi AC2100 costs around $40 shipped.<br />
<br />
The major downsides so far seems to be that it requires a small exploit to flash it and that is only supported by OpenWRT Snapshot but hopefully that will change<br />
<br />
Notes on installation are [https://gist.github.com/Juul/11e645b7bcac672929d8581444fa9311 here].<br />
<br />
Screenshots of navigating the Chinese language menus are here: [[File:Xiaomi_redmi_ac2100_router_screenshots.tar.gz]].</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Next_gen_hardware&diff=11757Mesh/Next gen hardware2021-04-20T11:57:12Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>Based on our [[Mesh/New router research|new router research]] we are edging towards recommending the [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 Xiaomi Redmi AC2100] as a replacement for the Western Digital My Net N600. The Redmi AC2100 costs around $40 shipped.<br />
<br />
The major downsides so far seems to be that it requires a small exploit to flash it and that is only supported by OpenWRT Snapshot but hopefully that will change<br />
<br />
Notes on installation are [https://gist.github.com/Juul/11e645b7bcac672929d8581444fa9311 here].<br />
<br />
Screenshots of navigating the Chinese language menus are [[File:Xiaomi_redmi_ac2100_router_screenshots.tar.gz|here]].</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/Next_gen_hardware&diff=11756Mesh/Next gen hardware2021-04-20T11:56:47Z<p>Juul: Created page with "Based on our new router research we are edging towards recommending the [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 Xiaomi Redmi AC2100] as a replacement fo..."</p>
<hr />
<div>Based on our [[new router research]] we are edging towards recommending the [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 Xiaomi Redmi AC2100] as a replacement for the Western Digital My Net N600. The Redmi AC2100 costs around $40 shipped.<br />
<br />
The major downsides so far seems to be that it requires a small exploit to flash it and that is only supported by OpenWRT Snapshot but hopefully that will change<br />
<br />
Notes on installation are [https://gist.github.com/Juul/11e645b7bcac672929d8581444fa9311 here].<br />
<br />
Screenshots of navigating the Chinese language menus are [[File:Xiaomi_redmi_ac2100_router_screenshots.tar.gz|here]].</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:Xiaomi_redmi_ac2100_router_screenshots.tar.gz&diff=11755File:Xiaomi redmi ac2100 router screenshots.tar.gz2021-04-20T11:56:15Z<p>Juul: Ordered screenshots for navigating the Xiaomi Redmi AC2100 router during flashing.</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
Ordered screenshots for navigating the Xiaomi Redmi AC2100 router during flashing.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Template:Mesh_nav&diff=11754Template:Mesh nav2021-04-20T11:50:23Z<p>Juul: </p>
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|[[Mesh/Wishlist|Wishlist]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Inventory|Inventory]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Other mesh projects|Other Meshes]]<br />
|[https://disaster.radio DisasterRadio]<br />
|-<br />
|[[Mesh/Press|Press]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Backup|Backup]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Website|Website]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Meetings|Meetings]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Software tools|Software Tools]]<br />
|[https://buildyourowninter.net BuildYourOwnInter.Net]<br />
|-<br />
|[https://github.com/sudomesh/sudowrt-firmware Firmware]<br />
|[[Mesh/Hosting|Hosting]]<br />
|[https://github.com/sudomesh/propaganda Propaganda]<br />
|[[Mesh/Funding|Funding]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Distributed_Services|Local Services]]<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
|<br />
|[https://github.com/sudomesh/Mounting Mounting]<br />
|<br />
|[[Mesh/Decisions|Decisions]]<br />
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|<br />
|-<br />
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|<br />
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|[https://peoplesopen.net/blog/ Blog] <br />
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|-<br />
|[[Mesh/Press|Press]]<br />
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|[[Mesh/Website|Website]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Meetings|Meetings]]<br />
|[[Mesh/Software tools|Software Tools]]<br />
|[https://buildyourowninter.net BuildYourOwnInter.Net]<br />
|-<br />
|[https://github.com/sudomesh/sudowrt-firmware Firmware]<br />
|[[Mesh/Hosting|Hosting]]<br />
|[https://github.com/sudomesh/propaganda Propaganda]<br />
|[[Mesh/Funding|Funding]]<br />
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|<br />
|-<br />
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<hr />
<div>= Potential home nodes =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/inbox/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_mi_router_4a_gigabit_edition OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes (only gigabit version)<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Looks like 100 Mbit version is not supported by OpenWrt at all currently<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
= Others =<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11710Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T14:17:23Z<p>Juul: /* Xiaomi Mi Router A4 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Potential home nodes =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/inbox/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_mi_router_4a_gigabit_edition OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes (only gigabit version)<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Looks like 100 Mbit version is not supported by OpenWrt at all currently<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
= Others =<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11709Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T14:14:35Z<p>Juul: /* Xiaomi Mi Router A4 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Potential home nodes =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/inbox/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_mi_router_4a_gigabit_edition OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes (only gigabit version)<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
= Others =<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11708Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T14:10:40Z<p>Juul: /* Xiaomi Mi Router A4 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Potential home nodes =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3 OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes (only gigabit version)<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
= Others =<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11707Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T13:57:02Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>= Potential home nodes =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3 OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
= Others =<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11706Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T13:51:10Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>= Potential home nodes =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3 OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
= Others =<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11705Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T13:47:35Z<p>Juul: /* Ordered */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Potential home nodes =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3 OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
= Writeup =<br />
<br />
I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far:<br />
For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-Link TL-WA801ND: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview<br />
<br />
It is $25 new shipped and can be found for $20 refurbed. The downside is that it's 2.4 GHz only rather than the dual-radio 2.4 and 5 GHz in the My Net. The upside is that it has external antennas with a standard plug so it's easier to attach directional and home-made antennas + it should get better range as is.<br />
For folks that don't want to go with the absolute cheapest possible the TP-Link Archer A6 looks good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/<br />
<br />
It's $50 new shipped. External but non-detachable antennas. 2.4 + 5 GHz dual radio. All gigabit ethernet ports.<br />
It looks like it's a re-branded (new but largely unchanged) version of the Archer C6 v2: https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2<br />
<br />
<br />
These aren't new routers though. I think they're from 2017? So may also be discontinued fairly soon. If we go the route of being hardware agnostic as we've discussed then I don't think that should be a big problem. I ordered one of each.<br />
<br />
There's also going the route of a single board computer like the NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2, eg: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
Cheapest one is $20 + shipping. That's without a power supply. These are 2.4 GHz single radio, single antenna and one of the two ethernet ports is internally connected via USB 2. These aren't officially supported by OpenWrt and probably aren't going to be very performant or stable at networking but I could be wrong.<br />
<br />
There's also a similar looking but OpenWRT compatible and more network oriented $20.50 device called the GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2: https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300N-V2-Repeater-300Mbps-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W/ref=sr_1_1<br />
again power supply not included<br />
<br />
I might have found a better option. The Xiaomi Mi Router 4A: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/<br />
<br />
also known as the Mi Router 3G (actually that version also has USB3 and seems discontinued). <br />
<br />
$24 shipped for 100 MB ethernet version and<br />
$30 shipped for gigabit version: www dot aliexpress dot com /item/33059029344.html<br />
<br />
Here's the info for the gigabit edition: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/xiaomi-mi-router-4a-gigabit-edition-r4ag-r4a-gigabit-fully-supported-and-flashable-with-openwrtinvasion/36685<br />
<br />
It seems like there are [https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/issues/391 still some issues with this chipset] but they will likely be sorted out. The good news is that this is a fairly new router (early 2019 it looks like) so maybe it will stay in production for a while.<br />
<br />
I ordered one of the gigabit units but it will probably take 4-5 weeks to ship. Be aware the the 100 Mbit version uses a slightly different chipset but is also supported by OpenWrt (and in fact probably has better support).<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
The ASUS RT-ACRH13 is $70 shipped and has a really good reputation for high performance, probably because of its Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise<br />
<br />
Also the MikroTik RBcAPGi-5acD2nD (aka: cAP AC) uses that chipset and costs like $75 but has the round roof-mountable form factor while still having 2 gigabit ethernet ports. This could actually be a great solution if we just want a single rooftop link and a great single AP to cover a room or two.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11704Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T13:47:17Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>= Ordered =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
* Supported by stable version of OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== ASUS RT-ACRH13 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-ACRH13/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/asus/rt-ac58u OpenWrt link]<br />
* $70 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset (really good reputation)<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt version<br />
* 5 Gbit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* MU-MIMO support<br />
* USB 3 port<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Expensive<br />
* Flashing is a multi-step semi-annoying process<br />
* Apparently 128 MB ram is small for a device with two atk10k radios which required special fix to work from OpenWrt<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Mi Router A4 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3 OpenWrt link for 100 Mbit version]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/mir3g OpenWrt link for Gigabit version]<br />
* $24 for 100 Mbit version, $30 for gigabit version. Shipped.<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This really looks to me like it could be a replacement for the My Net N600. These are 802.11 ac so next-generation devices. Everything is a bit better except fewer ethernet ports.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* 4 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 3 ethernet ports<br />
* Gigabit ethernet (only gigabit model)<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires exploit<br />
<br />
<br />
== Xiaomi Redmi Router AC2100 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/xiaomi/xiaomi_redmi_router_ac2100 OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.mi.com/rm2100 Official link]<br />
* Price: $37 shipped<br />
* Ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is like the fancy bigger sibling of the Xiaomi A4. We might want this for places that we expect to pull a lot of bandwidth. E.g. that youth center close to Internet Archive Richmond.<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap for what it is<br />
* Very new device (couple of months old as of June 1st 2020? less?)<br />
* 6 external antennas (2x2 mimo)<br />
* Fast dual-core processor<br />
* 128 MB ram<br />
* 128 MB flash<br />
* 4 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* Can probably realistically handle gigabit speeds on wifi<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* OpenWrt support is very new and not yet stable<br />
* Flashing requires somewhat complicated exploit<br />
* Case design indicates that it runs hotter than we're used to<br />
<br />
== GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt300n-v2/ Official link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/gl.inet/gl.inet_gl-mt300n_v2 OpenWrt link]<br />
* $20.50 shipped but without USB power adapter (though cable included)<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Supported by stable OpenWrt<br />
* Super easy web-based OpenWrt installation<br />
* Manufacturer is OpenWrt friendly<br />
* USB port<br />
* 4 unused GPIO pins and a repurposable two-position switch <br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* 2.4 Ghz only<br />
* Internal on-PCB antenna<br />
* 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
<br />
== NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 ==<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
* Has been ordered: No<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
<br />
= Writeup =<br />
<br />
I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far:<br />
For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-Link TL-WA801ND: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview<br />
<br />
It is $25 new shipped and can be found for $20 refurbed. The downside is that it's 2.4 GHz only rather than the dual-radio 2.4 and 5 GHz in the My Net. The upside is that it has external antennas with a standard plug so it's easier to attach directional and home-made antennas + it should get better range as is.<br />
For folks that don't want to go with the absolute cheapest possible the TP-Link Archer A6 looks good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/<br />
<br />
It's $50 new shipped. External but non-detachable antennas. 2.4 + 5 GHz dual radio. All gigabit ethernet ports.<br />
It looks like it's a re-branded (new but largely unchanged) version of the Archer C6 v2: https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2<br />
<br />
<br />
These aren't new routers though. I think they're from 2017? So may also be discontinued fairly soon. If we go the route of being hardware agnostic as we've discussed then I don't think that should be a big problem. I ordered one of each.<br />
<br />
There's also going the route of a single board computer like the NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2, eg: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
Cheapest one is $20 + shipping. That's without a power supply. These are 2.4 GHz single radio, single antenna and one of the two ethernet ports is internally connected via USB 2. These aren't officially supported by OpenWrt and probably aren't going to be very performant or stable at networking but I could be wrong.<br />
<br />
There's also a similar looking but OpenWRT compatible and more network oriented $20.50 device called the GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2: https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300N-V2-Repeater-300Mbps-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W/ref=sr_1_1<br />
again power supply not included<br />
<br />
I might have found a better option. The Xiaomi Mi Router 4A: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/<br />
<br />
also known as the Mi Router 3G (actually that version also has USB3 and seems discontinued). <br />
<br />
$24 shipped for 100 MB ethernet version and<br />
$30 shipped for gigabit version: www dot aliexpress dot com /item/33059029344.html<br />
<br />
Here's the info for the gigabit edition: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/xiaomi-mi-router-4a-gigabit-edition-r4ag-r4a-gigabit-fully-supported-and-flashable-with-openwrtinvasion/36685<br />
<br />
It seems like there are [https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/issues/391 still some issues with this chipset] but they will likely be sorted out. The good news is that this is a fairly new router (early 2019 it looks like) so maybe it will stay in production for a while.<br />
<br />
I ordered one of the gigabit units but it will probably take 4-5 weeks to ship. Be aware the the 100 Mbit version uses a slightly different chipset but is also supported by OpenWrt (and in fact probably has better support).<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
The ASUS RT-ACRH13 is $70 shipped and has a really good reputation for high performance, probably because of its Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise<br />
<br />
Also the MikroTik RBcAPGi-5acD2nD (aka: cAP AC) uses that chipset and costs like $75 but has the round roof-mountable form factor while still having 2 gigabit ethernet ports. This could actually be a great solution if we just want a single rooftop link and a great single AP to cover a room or two.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11703Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T13:12:53Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>= Ordered =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
<br />
= NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 =<br />
<br />
* Not an OpenWrt device<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248 NanoPi R1]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=282 NanoPi R2]<br />
* [https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=274 NanoPi R1S]<br />
* $20, $25 or $29 including case, not including required microSD card, power supply and shipping<br />
<br />
These are more like Raspbery Pis than routers. These are probably not great routers since one of the two ethernet ports and possibly also the wifi is attached internally via USB 2. This puts a bunch of extra load on the CPU and is kinda hacky.<br />
<br />
These don't run stock OpenWrt (but can run a "FriendlyWrt" fork) and are meant to run a full Linux distro like Armbian.<br />
<br />
These might be more useful for running services on the mesh.<br />
<br />
Downsides:<br />
<br />
* Single-antenna 2.4 GHz only WiFi<br />
* USB-attached ethernet<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Powerful quad-core processor <br />
* 512 MB to 1 GB of ram<br />
* Boot from microSD with full operating system<br />
* 2x Gbit ethernet (except for the R1 which has 1x 100 Mbit and 1x Gbit)<br />
<br />
<br />
= Writeup =<br />
<br />
I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far:<br />
For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-Link TL-WA801ND: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview<br />
<br />
It is $25 new shipped and can be found for $20 refurbed. The downside is that it's 2.4 GHz only rather than the dual-radio 2.4 and 5 GHz in the My Net. The upside is that it has external antennas with a standard plug so it's easier to attach directional and home-made antennas + it should get better range as is.<br />
For folks that don't want to go with the absolute cheapest possible the TP-Link Archer A6 looks good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/<br />
<br />
It's $50 new shipped. External but non-detachable antennas. 2.4 + 5 GHz dual radio. All gigabit ethernet ports.<br />
It looks like it's a re-branded (new but largely unchanged) version of the Archer C6 v2: https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2<br />
<br />
<br />
These aren't new routers though. I think they're from 2017? So may also be discontinued fairly soon. If we go the route of being hardware agnostic as we've discussed then I don't think that should be a big problem. I ordered one of each.<br />
<br />
There's also going the route of a single board computer like the NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2, eg: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
Cheapest one is $20 + shipping. That's without a power supply. These are 2.4 GHz single radio, single antenna and one of the two ethernet ports is internally connected via USB 2. These aren't officially supported by OpenWrt and probably aren't going to be very performant or stable at networking but I could be wrong.<br />
<br />
There's also a similar looking but OpenWRT compatible and more network oriented $20.50 device called the GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2: https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300N-V2-Repeater-300Mbps-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W/ref=sr_1_1<br />
again power supply not included<br />
<br />
I might have found a better option. The Xiaomi Mi Router 4A: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/<br />
<br />
also known as the Mi Router 3G (actually that version also has USB3 and seems discontinued). <br />
<br />
$24 shipped for 100 MB ethernet version and<br />
$30 shipped for gigabit version: www dot aliexpress dot com /item/33059029344.html<br />
<br />
Here's the info for the gigabit edition: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/xiaomi-mi-router-4a-gigabit-edition-r4ag-r4a-gigabit-fully-supported-and-flashable-with-openwrtinvasion/36685<br />
<br />
It seems like there are [https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/issues/391 still some issues with this chipset] but they will likely be sorted out. The good news is that this is a fairly new router (early 2019 it looks like) so maybe it will stay in production for a while.<br />
<br />
I ordered one of the gigabit units but it will probably take 4-5 weeks to ship. Be aware the the 100 Mbit version uses a slightly different chipset but is also supported by OpenWrt (and in fact probably has better support).<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
The ASUS RT-ACRH13 is $70 shipped and has a really good reputation for high performance, probably because of its Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise<br />
<br />
Also the MikroTik RBcAPGi-5acD2nD (aka: cAP AC) uses that chipset and costs like $75 but has the round roof-mountable form factor while still having 2 gigabit ethernet ports. This could actually be a great solution if we just want a single rooftop link and a great single AP to cover a room or two.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11702Mesh/New router research2020-06-01T13:02:57Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div>= Ordered =<br />
<br />
== TP-Link TL-WA801ND ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tl-wa801nd OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview Official link]<br />
* Price: ~$25 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Only the v5 version is usable and it's hard to guarantee that we get the v5 version when ordering<br />
* Only 2.4 GHz<br />
* Only 100 Mbit ethernet<br />
* Only one ethernet port<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* Cheap<br />
* Still being made<br />
* External antennas<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
<br />
== TP-Link Archer A6 ==<br />
<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/hwdata/tp-link/tp-link_archer_a6_us_tw OpenWrt link]<br />
* [https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2 OpenWrt link for Archer C6 v2]<br />
* [https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/ Official link]<br />
* Price ~$50 shipped<br />
* Has been ordered: Yes<br />
<br />
This is a U.S. version of the Archer C6 v2.<br />
<br />
Downsides: <br />
<br />
* Kinda expensive<br />
* Non-detachable antennas<br />
* From 2017 so who knows when they'll be discontinued<br />
<br />
Upsides:<br />
<br />
* 5 gigabit ethernet ports<br />
* 4 external antennas<br />
* Still being made<br />
* Flashable over TFTP without exploits<br />
<br />
= NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2 =<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
= Writeup =<br />
<br />
I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far:<br />
For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-Link TL-WA801ND: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview<br />
<br />
It is $25 new shipped and can be found for $20 refurbed. The downside is that it's 2.4 GHz only rather than the dual-radio 2.4 and 5 GHz in the My Net. The upside is that it has external antennas with a standard plug so it's easier to attach directional and home-made antennas + it should get better range as is.<br />
For folks that don't want to go with the absolute cheapest possible the TP-Link Archer A6 looks good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/<br />
<br />
It's $50 new shipped. External but non-detachable antennas. 2.4 + 5 GHz dual radio. All gigabit ethernet ports.<br />
It looks like it's a re-branded (new but largely unchanged) version of the Archer C6 v2: https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2<br />
<br />
<br />
These aren't new routers though. I think they're from 2017? So may also be discontinued fairly soon. If we go the route of being hardware agnostic as we've discussed then I don't think that should be a big problem. I ordered one of each.<br />
<br />
There's also going the route of a single board computer like the NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2, eg: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
Cheapest one is $20 + shipping. That's without a power supply. These are 2.4 GHz single radio, single antenna and one of the two ethernet ports is internally connected via USB 2. These aren't officially supported by OpenWrt and probably aren't going to be very performant or stable at networking but I could be wrong.<br />
<br />
There's also a similar looking but OpenWRT compatible and more network oriented $20.50 device called the GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2: https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300N-V2-Repeater-300Mbps-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W/ref=sr_1_1<br />
again power supply not included<br />
<br />
I might have found a better option. The Xiaomi Mi Router 4A: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/<br />
<br />
also known as the Mi Router 3G (actually that version also has USB3 and seems discontinued). <br />
<br />
$24 shipped for 100 MB ethernet version and<br />
$30 shipped for gigabit version: www dot aliexpress dot com /item/33059029344.html<br />
<br />
Here's the info for the gigabit edition: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/xiaomi-mi-router-4a-gigabit-edition-r4ag-r4a-gigabit-fully-supported-and-flashable-with-openwrtinvasion/36685<br />
<br />
It seems like there are [https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/issues/391 still some issues with this chipset] but they will likely be sorted out. The good news is that this is a fairly new router (early 2019 it looks like) so maybe it will stay in production for a while.<br />
<br />
I ordered one of the gigabit units but it will probably take 4-5 weeks to ship. Be aware the the 100 Mbit version uses a slightly different chipset but is also supported by OpenWrt (and in fact probably has better support).<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
The ASUS RT-ACRH13 is $70 shipped and has a really good reputation for high performance, probably because of its Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise<br />
<br />
Also the MikroTik RBcAPGi-5acD2nD (aka: cAP AC) uses that chipset and costs like $75 but has the round roof-mountable form factor while still having 2 gigabit ethernet ports. This could actually be a great solution if we just want a single rooftop link and a great single AP to cover a room or two.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11701Mesh/New router research2020-05-30T18:44:24Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div><br />
I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far:<br />
For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-Link TL-WA801ND: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview<br />
<br />
It is $25 new shipped and can be found for $20 refurbed. The downside is that it's 2.4 GHz only rather than the dual-radio 2.4 and 5 GHz in the My Net. The upside is that it has external antennas with a standard plug so it's easier to attach directional and home-made antennas + it should get better range as is.<br />
For folks that don't want to go with the absolute cheapest possible the TP-Link Archer A6 looks good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/<br />
<br />
It's $50 new shipped. External but non-detachable antennas. 2.4 + 5 GHz dual radio. All gigabit ethernet ports.<br />
It looks like it's a re-branded (new but largely unchanged) version of the Archer C6 v2: https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2<br />
<br />
<br />
These aren't new routers though. I think they're from 2017? So may also be discontinued fairly soon. If we go the route of being hardware agnostic as we've discussed then I don't think that should be a big problem. I ordered one of each.<br />
<br />
There's also going the route of a single board computer like the NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2, eg: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
Cheapest one is $20 + shipping. That's without a power supply. These are 2.4 GHz single radio, single antenna and one of the two ethernet ports is internally connected via USB 2. These aren't officially supported by OpenWrt and probably aren't going to be very performant or stable at networking but I could be wrong.<br />
<br />
There's also a similar looking but OpenWRT compatible and more network oriented $20.50 device called the GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2: https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300N-V2-Repeater-300Mbps-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W/ref=sr_1_1<br />
again power supply not included<br />
<br />
I might have found a better option. The Xiaomi Mi Router 4A: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/<br />
<br />
also known as the Mi Router 3G (actually that version also has USB3 and seems discontinued). <br />
<br />
$24 shipped for 100 MB ethernet version and<br />
$30 shipped for gigabit version: www dot aliexpress dot com /item/33059029344.html<br />
<br />
Here's the info for the gigabit edition: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/xiaomi-mi-router-4a-gigabit-edition-r4ag-r4a-gigabit-fully-supported-and-flashable-with-openwrtinvasion/36685<br />
<br />
It seems like there are [https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/issues/391 still some issues with this chipset] but they will likely be sorted out. The good news is that this is a fairly new router (early 2019 it looks like) so maybe it will stay in production for a while.<br />
<br />
I ordered one of the gigabit units but it will probably take 4-5 weeks to ship. Be aware the the 100 Mbit version uses a slightly different chipset but is also supported by OpenWrt (and in fact probably has better support).<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
The ASUS RT-ACRH13 is $70 shipped and has a really good reputation for high performance, probably because of its Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise<br />
<br />
Also the MikroTik RBcAPGi-5acD2nD (aka: cAP AC) uses that chipset and costs like $75 but has the round roof-mountable form factor while still having 2 gigabit ethernet ports. This could actually be a great solution if we just want a single rooftop link and a great single AP to cover a room or two.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11700Mesh/New router research2020-05-30T18:42:51Z<p>Juul: </p>
<hr />
<div><br />
I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far:<br />
For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-Link TL-WA801ND: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview<br />
<br />
It is $25 new shipped and can be found for $20 refurbed. The downside is that it's 2.4 GHz only rather than the dual-radio 2.4 and 5 GHz in the My Net. The upside is that it has external antennas with a standard plug so it's easier to attach directional and home-made antennas + it should get better range as is.<br />
For folks that don't want to go with the absolute cheapest possible the TP-Link Archer A6 looks good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/<br />
<br />
It's $50 new shipped. External but non-detachable antennas. 2.4 + 5 GHz dual radio. All gigabit ethernet ports.<br />
It looks like it's a re-branded (new but largely unchanged) version of the Archer C6 v2: https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2<br />
<br />
<br />
These aren't new routers though. I think they're from 2017? So may also be discontinued fairly soon. If we go the route of being hardware agnostic as we've discussed then I don't think that should be a big problem. I ordered one of each.<br />
<br />
There's also going the route of a single board computer like the NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2, eg: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
Cheapest one is $20 + shipping. That's without a power supply. These are 2.4 GHz single radio, single antenna and one of the two ethernet ports is internally connected via USB 2. These aren't officially supported by OpenWrt and probably aren't going to be very performant or stable at networking but I could be wrong.<br />
<br />
There's also a similar looking but OpenWRT compatible and more network oriented $20.50 device called the GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2: https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300N-V2-Repeater-300Mbps-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W/ref=sr_1_1<br />
again power supply not included<br />
<br />
I might have found a better option. The Xiaomi Mi Router 4A: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/<br />
<br />
also known as the Mi Router 3G (actually that version also has USB3 and seems discontinued). <br />
<br />
$24 shipped for 100 MB ethernet version and<br />
$30 shipped for gigabit version: www dot aliexpress dot com /item/33059029344.html<br />
<br />
Here's the info for the gigabit edition: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/xiaomi-mi-router-4a-gigabit-edition-r4ag-r4a-gigabit-fully-supported-and-flashable-with-openwrtinvasion/36685<br />
<br />
It seems like there are [still some issues with this chipset https://github.com/openwrt/mt76/issues/391] but they will likely be sorted out. The good news is that this is a fairly new router (early 2019 it looks like) so maybe it will stay in production for a while.<br />
<br />
I ordered one of the gigabit units but it will probably take 4-5 weeks to ship. Be aware the the 100 Mbit version uses a slightly different chipset but is also supported by OpenWrt (and in fact probably has better support).<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
The ASUS RT-ACRH13 is $70 shipped and has a really good reputation for high performance, probably because of its Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise<br />
<br />
Also the MikroTik RBcAPGi-5acD2nD (aka: cAP AC) uses that chipset and costs like $75 but has the round roof-mountable form factor while still having 2 gigabit ethernet ports. This could actually be a great solution if we just want a single rooftop link and a great single AP to cover a room or two.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/New_router_research&diff=11699Mesh/New router research2020-05-30T14:52:16Z<p>Juul: Created page with " I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far: For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-..."</p>
<hr />
<div><br />
I did some research on possible replacements for the MyNet N600 nodes and here's what I came up with so far:<br />
For a price comparable node the best I've found so far is the TP-Link TL-WA801ND: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/access-point/tl-wa801nd/#overview<br />
<br />
It is $25 new shipped and can be found for $20 refurbed. The downside is that it's 2.4 GHz only rather than the dual-radio 2.4 and 5 GHz in the My Net. The upside is that it has external antennas with a standard plug so it's easier to attach directional and home-made antennas + it should get better range as is.<br />
For folks that don't want to go with the absolute cheapest possible the TP-Link Archer A6 looks good: https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-a6/<br />
<br />
It's $50 new shipped. External but non-detachable antennas. 2.4 + 5 GHz dual radio. All gigabit ethernet ports.<br />
It looks like it's a re-branded (new but largely unchanged) version of the Archer C6 v2: https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/tp-link_archer_c6_v2<br />
<br />
<br />
These aren't new routers though. I think they're from 2017? So may also be discontinued fairly soon. If we go the route of being hardware agnostic as we've discussed then I don't think that should be a big problem. I ordered one of each.<br />
<br />
There's also going the route of a single board computer like the NanoPi R1 or R1S or R2, eg: https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=248<br />
<br />
Cheapest one is $20 + shipping. That's without a power supply. These are 2.4 GHz single radio, single antenna and one of the two ethernet ports is internally connected via USB 2. These aren't officially supported by OpenWrt and probably aren't going to be very performant or stable at networking but I could be wrong.<br />
<br />
There's also a similar looking but OpenWRT compatible and more network oriented $20.50 device called the GL.iNET GL-MT300N-V2: https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNET-GL-MT300N-V2-Repeater-300Mbps-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W/ref=sr_1_1<br />
again power supply not included<br />
<br />
I might have found a better option. The Xiaomi Mi Router 4A: https://www.mi.com/global/mi-router-4a/<br />
<br />
also known as the Mi Router 3G (actually that version also has USB3 and seems discontinued).<br />
<br />
$24 shipped for 100 MB ethernet version and<br />
$30 shipped for gigabit version: www dot aliexpress dot com /item/33059029344.html<br />
<br />
Here's the info for the gigabit edition: https://forum.openwrt.org/t/xiaomi-mi-router-4a-gigabit-edition-r4ag-r4a-gigabit-fully-supported-and-flashable-with-openwrtinvasion/36685<br />
<br />
I ordered one of the gigabit units but it will probably take 4-5 weeks to ship<br />
<br />
I also looked at the Ubiquiti Aircube ISP which is cute and supported but $30 and 2.4 GHz only with no external antennas: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_aircube_isp<br />
<br />
If we need a stable high quality high-speed device for e.g. a gigabit link then we might want to go with a Ubiquiti ER-X or ER-X-SFP: https://openwrt.org/toh/ubiquiti/ubiquiti_edgerouter_x_er-x_ka<br />
<br />
These don't have any WiFi but have more ram and flash than other devices in this class + the SFP option is great if we need fiber optics.<br />
<br />
The ASUS RT-ACRH13 is $70 shipped and has a really good reputation for high performance, probably because of its Qualcomm ipq40xx chipset.<br />
<br />
You can buy refurb/used Linksys EA6350 for $35 which also have the ipq40xx chipset but that model seems to be recently discontinued otherwise<br />
<br />
Also the MikroTik RBcAPGi-5acD2nD (aka: cAP AC) uses that chipset and costs like $75 but has the round roof-mountable form factor while still having 2 gigabit ethernet ports. This could actually be a great solution if we just want a single rooftop link and a great single AP to cover a room or two.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/4G_LTE_hotspot_build&diff=11624Mesh/4G LTE hotspot build2019-09-18T03:14:40Z<p>Juul: </p>
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<div><br />
* 4G LTE modem: Sierra wireless airprime EM7565 at $173 - https://ltefix.com/shop/modems/sierra-wireless-airprime-cards/sierra-wireless-em7565-cat-12-m-2-modem/<br />
* M.2 to USB adapter with case and pigtails at $30 https://ltefix.com/shop/pcie-m-2/usb-to-ngff-m-2-key-b-adapter-enclosure/<br />
** Could be done cheaper, e.g. $10 from china but quality would be lower and no case<br />
* WiFi Router<br />
** WD MyNet N600/N750 or TP-Link N750 at $20-35 - ebay or our own stock<br />
* Optional computer if we want two modems at once:<br />
** [https://www.pcengines.ch/apu3c4.htm PC Engines APU3C4] - $130 + shipping<br />
* Two 4G LTE wideband high-gain directional antennas - $70 to $140<br />
** Either two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/yagi/698-2700mhz-yagi-radome-9dbi-11dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/directional-panel/700-2700mhz-15dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or one of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/mimo-directional/adm-1dp727x8-nf-lte-8dbi-mimo-antenna/<br />
* Outdoor enclosure at ~$70 to $100 - https://ltefix.com/shop/routers/r-accessories/wifix-medium-router-pcb-enclosure/<br />
** We may need a bigger enclosure than this. This is just an example.<br />
* Battery 10 Ah 12 V AGM deep cycle at ~$35 - many sources<br />
** Could go with something more expensive if the lead-acid is too heavy/large. <br />
** Li-ion is more expensive than lead-acid but much smaller and lighter but sacrifices safety.<br />
** LiFePO4 is in between Li-Ion and lead-acid in weight but the most expensive.<br />
* Solar MPPT charge controller at ~$30 - china<br />
* Solar panel 50 W at ~$66 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-50-Watt-Solar-Panel-50W-12V-Off-Grid-PV-Power-Marine-Motorhome-RV/282959861893<br />
* Solar panel side-of-pole mounting bracket at ~$62: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Single-Side-Pole-Mount-Aluminum-Mounting-Support-for-50W-100W-Solar-Panel/<br />
** Or this for $85 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WindyNation-Side-of-Pole-Solar-Panel-Mount-Rack-for-30W-to-120W-Solar-Panel/262762998137<br />
** We could use a cheaper system without the support underneath and save ~$45 but I don't want to risk it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Pole-Wall-Mount-Aluminum-Tilt-Mounting-Bracket-For-30W-50W-Solar-Panel/302949846943<br />
* WiFi antennas, either three dual-band (for TP-Link) or two 2.4 GHz and two 5.8 Ghz antennas - $0 to $150<br />
** If we want coverage relatively close to the WiFi router then the TP-Link built-in antennas are a good choice at $0 extra cost<br />
** Another option is three of something like this at ~$50 each: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panel-WiFi-Antenna-2-4GHz-5GHz-5-8GHz-Range-13dBi-Dual-Band-Multi-Outdoor/163675625610<br />
** Yet another option is to simply use a Nanostation M5 or M2 (or both) in combination with the My Net / TP-Link which would cost $80 per unit<br />
** You can find dual-band 2x2 mimo panel antennas but they are meant for point-to-point and will have one antenna horizontally polarized which normal clients won't see. The 3x3 panel antennas are a bit better. We could <br />
<br />
Total price without sim card: ~$500 to ~$800 (actual numbers from above are $486 to $821)<br />
<br />
Mounting fees:<br />
<br />
We don't yet know what they are but we know the FCC is requiring them to be at most $180 per pole per year. This cap will likely end in September and it's possible that cities haven't changed their pricing schemes since some consider this unlawful, the new FCC rules were only implemented in January and everyone (including the FCC) seems to think the rules will be cut down mostly or completely in September. I have heard that most places don't charge more than $50 to $100 per pole per year though (but haven't been able to verify) and that the higher prices are because some cities (mostly richer cities) are trying to prevent telcoms from mounting this gear because they thing it's ugly or have health concerns or both.<br />
<br />
Assuming the node-mounting fees in Oakland/Berkeley aren't higher than the FCC cap we have a maximum yearly fee of $580 per node and if it's a more reasonable pole mounting fee like $100 and we get cheap sims then it could be down to $300 per year per node.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/4G_LTE_hotspot_build&diff=11623Mesh/4G LTE hotspot build2019-09-18T03:13:01Z<p>Juul: </p>
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<div><br />
* 4G LTE modem: Sierra wireless airprime EM7565 at $173 - https://ltefix.com/shop/modems/sierra-wireless-airprime-cards/sierra-wireless-em7565-cat-12-m-2-modem/<br />
* M.2 to USB adapter with case and pigtails at $30 https://ltefix.com/shop/pcie-m-2/usb-to-ngff-m-2-key-b-adapter-enclosure/<br />
** Could be done cheaper, e.g. $10 from china but quality would be lower and no case<br />
* WiFi Router<br />
** WD MyNet N600/N750 or TP-Link N750 at $20-35 - ebay or our own stock<br />
* Optional computer if we want two modems at once:<br />
** [https://www.pcengines.ch/apu3c4.htm PC Engines APU3C4]<br />
* Two 4G LTE wideband high-gain directional antennas - $70 to $140<br />
** Either two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/yagi/698-2700mhz-yagi-radome-9dbi-11dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/directional-panel/700-2700mhz-15dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or one of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/mimo-directional/adm-1dp727x8-nf-lte-8dbi-mimo-antenna/<br />
* Outdoor enclosure at ~$70 to $100 - https://ltefix.com/shop/routers/r-accessories/wifix-medium-router-pcb-enclosure/<br />
** We may need a bigger enclosure than this. This is just an example.<br />
* Battery 10 Ah 12 V AGM deep cycle at ~$35 - many sources<br />
** Could go with something more expensive if the lead-acid is too heavy/large. <br />
** Li-ion is more expensive than lead-acid but much smaller and lighter but sacrifices safety.<br />
** LiFePO4 is in between Li-Ion and lead-acid in weight but the most expensive.<br />
* Solar MPPT charge controller at ~$30 - china<br />
* Solar panel 50 W at ~$66 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-50-Watt-Solar-Panel-50W-12V-Off-Grid-PV-Power-Marine-Motorhome-RV/282959861893<br />
* Solar panel side-of-pole mounting bracket at ~$62: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Single-Side-Pole-Mount-Aluminum-Mounting-Support-for-50W-100W-Solar-Panel/<br />
** Or this for $85 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WindyNation-Side-of-Pole-Solar-Panel-Mount-Rack-for-30W-to-120W-Solar-Panel/262762998137<br />
** We could use a cheaper system without the support underneath and save ~$45 but I don't want to risk it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Pole-Wall-Mount-Aluminum-Tilt-Mounting-Bracket-For-30W-50W-Solar-Panel/302949846943<br />
* WiFi antennas, either three dual-band (for TP-Link) or two 2.4 GHz and two 5.8 Ghz antennas - $0 to $150<br />
** If we want coverage relatively close to the WiFi router then the TP-Link built-in antennas are a good choice at $0 extra cost<br />
** Another option is three of something like this at ~$50 each: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panel-WiFi-Antenna-2-4GHz-5GHz-5-8GHz-Range-13dBi-Dual-Band-Multi-Outdoor/163675625610<br />
** Yet another option is to simply use a Nanostation M5 or M2 (or both) in combination with the My Net / TP-Link which would cost $80 per unit<br />
** You can find dual-band 2x2 mimo panel antennas but they are meant for point-to-point and will have one antenna horizontally polarized which normal clients won't see. The 3x3 panel antennas are a bit better. We could <br />
<br />
Total price without sim card: ~$500 to ~$800 (actual numbers from above are $486 to $821)<br />
<br />
Mounting fees:<br />
<br />
We don't yet know what they are but we know the FCC is requiring them to be at most $180 per pole per year. This cap will likely end in September and it's possible that cities haven't changed their pricing schemes since some consider this unlawful, the new FCC rules were only implemented in January and everyone (including the FCC) seems to think the rules will be cut down mostly or completely in September. I have heard that most places don't charge more than $50 to $100 per pole per year though (but haven't been able to verify) and that the higher prices are because some cities (mostly richer cities) are trying to prevent telcoms from mounting this gear because they thing it's ugly or have health concerns or both.<br />
<br />
Assuming the node-mounting fees in Oakland/Berkeley aren't higher than the FCC cap we have a maximum yearly fee of $580 per node and if it's a more reasonable pole mounting fee like $100 and we get cheap sims then it could be down to $300 per year per node.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/4G_LTE_hotspot_build&diff=11583Mesh/4G LTE hotspot build2019-05-15T03:23:47Z<p>Juul: </p>
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<div><br />
* 4G LTE modem: Sierra wireless airprime EM7565 at $173 - https://ltefix.com/shop/modems/sierra-wireless-airprime-cards/sierra-wireless-em7565-cat-12-m-2-modem/<br />
* M.2 to USB adapter with case and pigtails at $30 https://ltefix.com/shop/pcie-m-2/usb-to-ngff-m-2-key-b-adapter-enclosure/<br />
** Could be done cheaper, e.g. $10 from china but quality would be lower and no case<br />
* WiFi Router: Either WD MyNet N600/N750 or TP-Link N750 at $20-35 - ebay or our own stock<br />
* Two 4G LTE wideband high-gain directional antennas - $70 to $140<br />
** Either two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/yagi/698-2700mhz-yagi-radome-9dbi-11dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/directional-panel/700-2700mhz-15dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or one of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/mimo-directional/adm-1dp727x8-nf-lte-8dbi-mimo-antenna/<br />
* Outdoor enclosure at ~$70 to $100 - https://ltefix.com/shop/routers/r-accessories/wifix-medium-router-pcb-enclosure/<br />
** We may need a bigger enclosure than this. This is just an example.<br />
* Battery 10 Ah 12 V AGM deep cycle at ~$35 - many sources<br />
** Could go with something more expensive if the lead-acid is too heavy/large. <br />
** Li-ion is more expensive than lead-acid but much smaller and lighter but sacrifices safety.<br />
** LiFePO4 is in between Li-Ion and lead-acid in weight but the most expensive.<br />
* Solar MPPT charge controller at ~$30 - china<br />
* Solar panel 50 W at ~$66 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-50-Watt-Solar-Panel-50W-12V-Off-Grid-PV-Power-Marine-Motorhome-RV/282959861893<br />
* Solar panel side-of-pole mounting bracket at ~$62: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Single-Side-Pole-Mount-Aluminum-Mounting-Support-for-50W-100W-Solar-Panel/<br />
** Or this for $85 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WindyNation-Side-of-Pole-Solar-Panel-Mount-Rack-for-30W-to-120W-Solar-Panel/262762998137<br />
** We could use a cheaper system without the support underneath and save ~$45 but I don't want to risk it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Pole-Wall-Mount-Aluminum-Tilt-Mounting-Bracket-For-30W-50W-Solar-Panel/302949846943<br />
* WiFi antennas, either three dual-band (for TP-Link) or two 2.4 GHz and two 5.8 Ghz antennas - $0 to $150<br />
** If we want coverage relatively close to the WiFi router then the TP-Link built-in antennas are a good choice at $0 extra cost<br />
** Another option is three of something like this at ~$50 each: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panel-WiFi-Antenna-2-4GHz-5GHz-5-8GHz-Range-13dBi-Dual-Band-Multi-Outdoor/163675625610<br />
** Yet another option is to simply use a Nanostation M5 or M2 (or both) in combination with the My Net / TP-Link which would cost $80 per unit<br />
** You can find dual-band 2x2 mimo panel antennas but they are meant for point-to-point and will have one antenna horizontally polarized which normal clients won't see. The 3x3 panel antennas are a bit better. We could <br />
<br />
Total price without sim card: ~$500 to ~$800 (actual numbers from above are $486 to $821)<br />
<br />
Mounting fees:<br />
<br />
We don't yet know what they are but we know the FCC is requiring them to be at most $180 per pole per year. This cap will likely end in September and it's possible that cities haven't changed their pricing schemes since some consider this unlawful, the new FCC rules were only implemented in January and everyone (including the FCC) seems to think the rules will be cut down mostly or completely in September. I have heard that most places don't charge more than $50 to $100 per pole per year though (but haven't been able to verify) and that the higher prices are because some cities (mostly richer cities) are trying to prevent telcoms from mounting this gear because they thing it's ugly or have health concerns or both.<br />
<br />
Assuming the node-mounting fees in Oakland/Berkeley aren't higher than the FCC cap we have a maximum yearly fee of $580 per node and if it's a more reasonable pole mounting fee like $100 and we get cheap sims then it could be down to $300 per year per node.</div>Juulhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Mesh/4G_LTE_hotspot_build&diff=11582Mesh/4G LTE hotspot build2019-05-15T03:06:33Z<p>Juul: Created page with " * 4G LTE modem: Sierra wireless airprime EM7565 at $173 - https://ltefix.com/shop/modems/sierra-wireless-airprime-cards/sierra-wireless-em7565-cat-12-m-2-modem/ * M.2 to USB..."</p>
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<div><br />
* 4G LTE modem: Sierra wireless airprime EM7565 at $173 - https://ltefix.com/shop/modems/sierra-wireless-airprime-cards/sierra-wireless-em7565-cat-12-m-2-modem/<br />
* M.2 to USB adapter with case and pigtails at $30 https://ltefix.com/shop/pcie-m-2/usb-to-ngff-m-2-key-b-adapter-enclosure/<br />
** Could be done cheaper, e.g. $10 from china but quality would be lower and no case<br />
* WiFi Router: Either WD MyNet N600/N750 or TP-Link N750 at $20-35 - ebay or our own stock<br />
* Two 4G LTE wideband high-gain directional antennas - $70 to $140<br />
** Either two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/yagi/698-2700mhz-yagi-radome-9dbi-11dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or two of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/directional-panel/700-2700mhz-15dbi-4g-lte-directional-antenna/<br />
** Or one of these: https://ltefix.com/shop/antennas/4g-lte-antennas/mimo-directional/adm-1dp727x8-nf-lte-8dbi-mimo-antenna/<br />
* Outdoor enclosure at ~$70 to $100 - https://ltefix.com/shop/routers/r-accessories/wifix-medium-router-pcb-enclosure/<br />
** We may need a bigger enclosure than this. This is just an example.<br />
* Battery 10 Ah 12 V AGM deep cycle at ~$35 - many sources<br />
** Could go with something more expensive if the lead-acid is too heavy/large. <br />
** Li-ion is more expensive than lead-acid but much smaller and lighter but sacrifices safety.<br />
** LiFePO4 is in between Li-Ion and lead-acid in weight but the most expensive.<br />
* Solar MPPT charge controller at ~$30 - china<br />
* Solar panel 50 W at ~$66 - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-50-Watt-Solar-Panel-50W-12V-Off-Grid-PV-Power-Marine-Motorhome-RV/282959861893<br />
* Solar panel side-of-pole mounting bracket at ~$62: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Single-Side-Pole-Mount-Aluminum-Mounting-Support-for-50W-100W-Solar-Panel/<br />
** Or this for $85 https://www.ebay.com/itm/WindyNation-Side-of-Pole-Solar-Panel-Mount-Rack-for-30W-to-120W-Solar-Panel/262762998137<br />
** We could use a cheaper system without the support underneath and save ~$45 but I don't want to risk it: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Renogy-Pole-Wall-Mount-Aluminum-Tilt-Mounting-Bracket-For-30W-50W-Solar-Panel/302949846943<br />
* WiFi antennas, either three dual-band (for TP-Link) or two 2.4 GHz and two 5.8 Ghz antennas - $0 to $150<br />
** If we want coverage relatively close to the WiFi router then the TP-Link built-in antennas are a good choice at $0 extra cost<br />
** Another option is three of something like this at ~$50 each: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Panel-WiFi-Antenna-2-4GHz-5GHz-5-8GHz-Range-13dBi-Dual-Band-Multi-Outdoor/163675625610<br />
** Yet another option is to simply use a Nanostation M5 or M2 (or both) in combination with the My Net / TP-Link which would cost $80 per unit<br />
** You can find dual-band 2x2 mimo panel antennas but they are meant for point-to-point and will have one antenna horizontally polarized which normal clients won't see. The 3x3 panel antennas are a bit better. We could <br />
<br />
Total price without sim card: ~$500 to ~$800 (actual numbers from above are $486 to $821)<br />
<br />
Sim card price:<br />
* Via Calyx it's $500 first year and then $400 proceeding year<br />
** We can cut down the first-year price by selling the $100 included modem or maybe talking to Calyx and convincing them not to include it<br />
* Via mobilecitizen it's probably closer to $200 per year<br />
<br />
Total price per node (excluding mounting fees):<br />
<br />
* Mobilecitizen with cheap hardware: $700 first year then $200 each year after<br />
* Mobilecitizen with expensive hardware: $1000 first year then $200 each year after<br />
* Calyx with cheap hardware: $1000 first year then $400 each year after<br />
<br />
Mounting fees:<br />
<br />
We don't yet know what they are but we know the FCC is requiring them to be at most $180 per pole per year. This cap will likely end in September and it's possible that cities haven't changed their pricing schemes since some consider this unlawful, the new FCC rules were only implemented in January and everyone (including the FCC) seems to think the rules will be cut down mostly or completely in September. I have heard that most places don't charge more than $50 to $100 per pole per year though (but haven't been able to verify) and that the higher prices are because some cities (mostly richer cities) are trying to prevent telcoms from mounting this gear because they thing it's ugly or have health concerns or both.<br />
<br />
Assuming the node-mounting fees in Oakland/Berkeley aren't higher than the FCC cap we have a maximum yearly fee of $580 per node and if it's a more reasonable pole mounting fee like $100 and we get mobilecitizen then it could be down to $300 per year per node.</div>Juul