https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=EM+Che&feedformat=atomSudo Room - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T09:33:25ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.37.2https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Template:Cc-by-nc-sa-4.0&diff=8614Template:Cc-by-nc-sa-4.02014-08-05T07:29:39Z<p>EM Che: Adding Creative Commons in here in all kinds of different ways, and now much content.</p>
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This is the best way to build in a future anti-capitalist way. Submit photos of created works to http://flickr.com/, or upload them on an online space, to make sure that no one else copyrights them. Enjoy the open build and collab environment, as this keeps, for example, the rocket stove in the creative commons anticapitalist space forever :) <3<br />
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For example, user [[User:EM Che|EM Che]] ([[User talk:EM Che|talk]]) 00:29, 5 August 2014 (PDT) has been working on a rocket stove design for a long time, and many in the Room had seen him from scratch do this stove design. I have kept up with its modification and improvement, taken some photos, written an instructable, and uploaded photos to different sites. With each I include a link to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ , the human readable version or if possible insert the image, https://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-nc-sa/4.0/88x31[dot]png.<br />
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Just the right amount of freedom, freedom from what people used to call capitalism :)<br />
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[[Anticapitalism]] <br/> <br />
[[Freedom Paradigm]] <br/><br />
[[Metal experiments]] <br/><br />
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[[Category:Vent]]</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Permaculture_Design&diff=7948Permaculture Design2014-05-02T00:05:14Z<p>EM Che: </p>
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<div>wiki: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Permaculture_Design<br />
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another wiki: http://permaground.wikispaces.com/<br />
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another wiki, lots of solar links: http://www.appropedia.org/Composting_greenhouse_provides_hot_water_%28original%29<br />
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Seed library map: http://justmap.it/map.do?mapId=APkhyt2Biuaz<br />
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comfrey gardening: http://www.naturalnews.com/032325_comfrey_gardening.html<br />
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MetaHack: A how-to on a wiki online. #knowaboutit<br />
http://anonmgur.com/up/dd169b9eaf7d93a621aa228a8cb37ab4.png</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Free_food_gardening&diff=7946Free food gardening2014-05-01T23:55:26Z<p>EM Che: /* See also */</p>
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<div>This is creating this page, for the future. Can be exported to other wikis, also. I am looking at http://howtopedia.org as a place to compile a lot of these technologies and materials, how-to's, etc. But the most productive system is anarchy. :)<br />
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Feel free to edit if you wish.<br />
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===Catalogs===<br />
http://tinyurl[dot]com/nongmoseed<br /><br />
For fruit trees, now enjoying this catalog from 4 Season Nurseries: http://www.4seasonsnurseries.com/detailview.asp?page=1<br /><br />
Seeds- just do them. Online ordering like this, or a seed library, or what you've harvested and seed-saved from the past.<br />
This person did out their seed ordering list on a blog like a confession: http://awaytogarden.com/the-confession-what-seeds-i-ordered/<br />
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Will you have non-vegan elements in your garden? If you eat chicken, or eggs; or like to use milk products like milk, butter, ice cream, coffee cream, etc, then you can use a post-hole digger and sheep and goat fence is like, $45 for 150 feet? The number one mistake that people make when going into this field is spending too much on fence. You could use or find some portable electric fence mesh netting, or a single, double, triple, or 5-line system, which shocks them on the nose if they go there, so even sheep just learn like, within 2 minutes. Sheep respect a fence, and like the comfort of wood. Goats will try to get to where they want to, over the fence if they can! I got a great picture of chickens inside a small night-time container around here. That seems like a pretty good way to have them at night, and they will help till, lay eggs every day, and give themselves as meat occasionally also. Chickens and goat can be kept in small area. Browse craigslist for them.<br />
<br />
===Maps===<br />
Gardening don't be a colonizer. Instead of looking at squares which focus on property lines, look at nature. <br />
What is the areas that are grass, and things that are already there. Shady, and taller patches. Where are the bugs gathering currently, and what does that mean? What could fit in there nicely, and you want to provide all your food from your yard or area in a short time. It's good to think of access ways, which paths you would like to keep open and how you enter most often, you could even look at footprints. What's there already, also this will make nature more vivid and strong :) <br />
<br />
It's best to not try to "place" things on the map that aren't there yet. This is usually the last design step in permaculture planning. Why, is simply that looking at all of the other aspects and considering these elements and what you want to eat, really affects the outcome of how the garden looks. You can still grow what's in your fridge currently, if you take a little while longer in the planning. Go with.<br /><br />
<br />
===References/ebooks===<br />
One Straw Revolution download- http://www.deeplyrootedorganics.com/downloads/onestraw.pdf<br /><br />
Weather- http://www.wunderground.com/<br /><br />
How to Grow More Vegetables, Fruits, Nuts, Berries... download- http://files.shroomery.org/cms/How%20to%20Grow%20More%20Vegetables%206th%20ed%202002.pdf<br /><br />
Walipini (Underground Greenhouse) PDF- http://www.bensoninstitute.org/Publication/Manuals/Walipini.pdf<br /><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
===Tools required===<br />
A shovel will help greatly in what you need to do. Other hand tools, of choice!<br /><br />
Wheelbarrow for moving heavy stuff, light stuff, storing stuff, and putting weeds into to make the compost pile.<br /><br />
I find the most inspirational basic thing to have access to is two or so large plastic tubs, and/or buckets. Simplifies.<br /><br />
Amend with sand if clay-y, soil compost, chop, water, goat, worm, and rabbit manure can be used instantly, chicken or sheep or cow compost it first, horse after one year, human after two years. <br /><br />
Recycled materials for starting your seedlings, this is best.<br /> <br />
For indoor or cold-weather areas, those plastic sheets are very good.<br /><br />
Finally, if doing biochar then you will want a tin can with another top from a larger tin can. This goes into the fire and lets you use charged sticks as your wonderful soil fertilizer and spirit.<br /><br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
Seed Library Map: http://justmap.it/map.do?mapId=APkhyt2Biuaz<br /><br />
NaturalNews Comfrey Gardening, very good link: http://www.naturalnews.com/032325_comfrey_gardening.html<br /> <br />
Also, the best thread on the internet about Gardening: http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/6359<br /><br />
Youtube for winter or small-space gardening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGkNW426Fvg<br /><br />
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===See also===<br />
[[Permaculture Design]]<br/><br />
[[Food]]<br/><br />
[[Food Justice]]<br/><br />
[[Free Life East Bay]]<br/></div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Free_food_gardening&diff=7945Free food gardening2014-05-01T23:53:27Z<p>EM Che: doin' it right.</p>
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<div>This is creating this page, for the future. Can be exported to other wikis, also. I am looking at http://howtopedia.org as a place to compile a lot of these technologies and materials, how-to's, etc. But the most productive system is anarchy. :)<br />
<br />
Feel free to edit if you wish.<br />
<br />
===Catalogs===<br />
http://tinyurl[dot]com/nongmoseed<br /><br />
For fruit trees, now enjoying this catalog from 4 Season Nurseries: http://www.4seasonsnurseries.com/detailview.asp?page=1<br /><br />
Seeds- just do them. Online ordering like this, or a seed library, or what you've harvested and seed-saved from the past.<br />
This person did out their seed ordering list on a blog like a confession: http://awaytogarden.com/the-confession-what-seeds-i-ordered/<br />
<br />
Will you have non-vegan elements in your garden? If you eat chicken, or eggs; or like to use milk products like milk, butter, ice cream, coffee cream, etc, then you can use a post-hole digger and sheep and goat fence is like, $45 for 150 feet? The number one mistake that people make when going into this field is spending too much on fence. You could use or find some portable electric fence mesh netting, or a single, double, triple, or 5-line system, which shocks them on the nose if they go there, so even sheep just learn like, within 2 minutes. Sheep respect a fence, and like the comfort of wood. Goats will try to get to where they want to, over the fence if they can! I got a great picture of chickens inside a small night-time container around here. That seems like a pretty good way to have them at night, and they will help till, lay eggs every day, and give themselves as meat occasionally also. Chickens and goat can be kept in small area. Browse craigslist for them.<br />
<br />
===Maps===<br />
Gardening don't be a colonizer. Instead of looking at squares which focus on property lines, look at nature. <br />
What is the areas that are grass, and things that are already there. Shady, and taller patches. Where are the bugs gathering currently, and what does that mean? What could fit in there nicely, and you want to provide all your food from your yard or area in a short time. It's good to think of access ways, which paths you would like to keep open and how you enter most often, you could even look at footprints. What's there already, also this will make nature more vivid and strong :) <br />
<br />
It's best to not try to "place" things on the map that aren't there yet. This is usually the last design step in permaculture planning. Why, is simply that looking at all of the other aspects and considering these elements and what you want to eat, really affects the outcome of how the garden looks. You can still grow what's in your fridge currently, if you take a little while longer in the planning. Go with.<br /><br />
<br />
===References/ebooks===<br />
One Straw Revolution download- http://www.deeplyrootedorganics.com/downloads/onestraw.pdf<br /><br />
Weather- http://www.wunderground.com/<br /><br />
How to Grow More Vegetables, Fruits, Nuts, Berries... download- http://files.shroomery.org/cms/How%20to%20Grow%20More%20Vegetables%206th%20ed%202002.pdf<br /><br />
Walipini (Underground Greenhouse) PDF- http://www.bensoninstitute.org/Publication/Manuals/Walipini.pdf<br /><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
===Tools required===<br />
A shovel will help greatly in what you need to do. Other hand tools, of choice!<br /><br />
Wheelbarrow for moving heavy stuff, light stuff, storing stuff, and putting weeds into to make the compost pile.<br /><br />
I find the most inspirational basic thing to have access to is two or so large plastic tubs, and/or buckets. Simplifies.<br /><br />
Amend with sand if clay-y, soil compost, chop, water, goat, worm, and rabbit manure can be used instantly, chicken or sheep or cow compost it first, horse after one year, human after two years. <br /><br />
Recycled materials for starting your seedlings, this is best.<br /> <br />
For indoor or cold-weather areas, those plastic sheets are very good.<br /><br />
Finally, if doing biochar then you will want a tin can with another top from a larger tin can. This goes into the fire and lets you use charged sticks as your wonderful soil fertilizer and spirit.<br /><br />
<br />
===External Links===<br />
Seed Library Map: http://justmap.it/map.do?mapId=APkhyt2Biuaz<br /><br />
NaturalNews Comfrey Gardening, very good link: http://www.naturalnews.com/032325_comfrey_gardening.html<br /> <br />
Also, the best thread on the internet about Gardening: http://campfire.theoildrum.com/node/6359<br /><br />
Youtube for winter or small-space gardening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGkNW426Fvg<br /><br />
<br />
===See also===<br />
[[Permaculture Design]]</br><br />
[[Food]]</br><br />
[[Food Justice]]</br><br />
[[Free Life East Bay]]</br></div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:User_talk:Juul/What%27s_up%3F/reply_(4)&diff=7941Thread:User talk:Juul/What's up?/reply (4)2014-05-01T21:31:51Z<p>EM Che: Reply to What's up?</p>
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<div>Lots of stories for around the campfire. Are you and Missie (that name is, anonymous to me) still together? I'm coming to California soon, but I will probably be in the Southern California area. Maybe, you and anyone could come visit. Especially good would be, after rainbow gathering in July 4th. That would be when we invite a group from the Bay area occupy to come.. :) EC</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Free_Life_East_Bay&diff=7866Free Life East Bay2014-04-15T02:35:23Z<p>EM Che: woo woo. preparing for the strike</p>
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<div>== Occupy the East Bay ==<br />
=== Berkeley ===<br />
Wingnut breakfast:<br />
2362 Bancroft Way – Trinity Church<br />
Monday-Saturday. 8 a.m.<br />
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Quarter meal:<br />
Same place<br />
Monday-Friday. 3:45.<br />
<br />
Food Not Bombs<br />
People's Park, Dwight and Telegraph.<br />
Monday-Friday. 3:00, ish.<br />
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Breakfast, Sundays<br />
People’s Park, Haste above Telegraph<br />
Sunday. 7:30 a.m.<br />
then Provo (Peace Wall) Park near Shattuck, 8:00ish.<br />
<br />
Women's center<br />
2218 Acton Street 548.6933 <br />
Monday-Friday. 9 a.m.<br />
Free with chore for women and children.<br />
Sunday-Thursday. Noon.<br />
<br />
Church by the Side of the Road<br />
2108 Russell at Lorina<br />
Second Sunday of the month. 1 p.m.<br />
<br />
Newman Hall <br />
2700 Dwight Way at College 848.7812<br />
First Saturday of the month. 4 p.m.<br />
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First Presbyterian Church<br />
2407 Dana at Haste 848.6242<br />
Second and last Saturday of the month 5 p.m.<br />
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St. Mark’s Episcopal Church<br />
2300 Bancroft Way at Ellsworth 848.5107<br />
Third Saturday of the month. 5 p.m.<br />
<br />
St Mary Magdalen Church<br />
2005 Berryman at Henry 526.4811<br />
First and Fourth Sunday of the month. 3 p.m.<br />
<br />
2220 Cedar at Spruce 848.1755<br />
Second Sunday of the month. 4 p.m.<br />
<br />
1301 Oxford at Rose 848.3988<br />
Third Sunday of the month. 5 p.m.<br />
<br />
People’s Park, Haste above Telegraph<br />
Fifth Sunday of the month. 4 p.m. <br />
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Showers<br />
<br />
City of Berkeley Shower Program<br />
Derby and Telegrah - Willard Pool<br />
Monday-Friday 8 p.m - 9 p.m.<br />
Saturday- Sunday 9 a.m. – 10 a.m.<br />
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BOSS Multi-Agency Service Center (MASC)<br />
1931 Center Street, 843.3700<br />
Mon-Wed 8-4 p.m., Thursday 8-noon,<br />
Friday 8-2 p.m., Sat-Sun 8:30-3 p.m.<br />
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Oakland Champion Men's Center<br />
Coffee and a hot shower.<br />
at Saint Vincent dePauls.<br />
Morning, then they re-open.<br />
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=== Oakland ===<br />
Breakfast 5:30 AM at CityTeam.<br />
Washington St x 8th St.<br />
Don't be super late.<br />
Dinner there at 6:00 PM.<br />
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Breakfast at Open Door.<br />
Oak St x 7th. <br />
7:00 AM,<br />
6:30 PM.<br />
Service first, he's Christian....<br />
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Lunch <br />
Saint Vincent de Pauls<br />
11:30, not first Wednesday.<br />
22nd St. between San Pablo and Telegraph.<br />
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Can sometimes find stuff at the Hold Out, on 22nd x San Pablo.<br />
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[Thursday]<br />
the Recycling Center Park at 34th and Peralta<br />
West Oakland 1:30pm or so<br />
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[Sunday]<br />
corner of 14th St. & Jefferson<br />
in front of the Sutter Hotel<br />
downtown Oakland 3pm or so<br />
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=== Food Pantries ===<br />
1330 Lakeshore Avenue, (510) 465 - 4793. Are you in need of food assistance? The Food Pantry distributes food the 2nd and 4th Saturdays of the month,10am - 12:30pm. You can find the food distribution on the Lakeshore side of the church building, at the bottom of the stairs.<br />
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Food Helpline: 1-800-870-FOOD, Monday through Friday, 9:00 am - 4:00 pm.<br />
others.... http://oaklandwiki.org/Free_Eats_in_Oakland</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Alchemy&diff=7785Alchemy2014-03-31T16:23:06Z<p>EM Che: /* Alchemy */</p>
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<div>== Alchemy ==<br />
Alchemy is an old art and science, practiced as a hobby, profession, life work, or magic by folks for thousands of years probably. Alchemy is based on the four elements: Earth, Air, Fire, Water. There may be a [[The Fifth Element|Fifth Element]], [[Energy]]. This is for the people at Shasta to figure out formally, but Sudo Room user [[User:EM_Che]] has proved the concept significantly. Among the processes practiced by an alchemist are mastery of the elements, balancing of the four (five) elements, distilling, levity and gravity experiments, and each may have a Master Work, which he or she is continually working on.<br />
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== Hack Alchemy ==<br />
Alchemists live fully the reality they are experimenting with. This means not exactly literal fire, or water, but an affinity for the elements. By experimenting with the vocabulary as well as the nature of the elements, alchemists whole-heartedly and whole-mindedly can modify and alter the world around them. For alchemists, getting the desired outcome is a matter of manifestation, or the processes by which that can occur.<br />
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An alchemical transformation is to change one idea which is negative into another which fits the model. For example, decolonize or hack the idea of trash into materials. Trash manifests these materials freely, with actually a negative value for the source person or firm generally. This includes wood, metal, paper, plastic tarps and stuff e-waste such as speakers. Any construction site has these materials regularly, people who are still consumers make them, firms, and households, and dumps. In order to be sustainable, we will have to reduce the trash that Earth produces to near zero. This means that these designs (and, this process), which function well for their purpose (eg to fit our lives and solve environmental problems) will be where our Economic activity will want to be based we alternative paradigm people. Everything is free alchemy: These inventions not only allow someone to live no house, no money, but also reduce waste and can be replicated without buying them.<br />
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== Alchemy and Design ==<br />
These four (five!) elemental inventions allow a person to live completely free - no home, no money, anywhere where there's not a fear of retaliation by the cops. It describes an alternative paradigm, and the hack-building of these items an alternative to the system.<br />
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[[File:Alchemy Hack Art Design.jpg|Alchemy Hack Art Design]]<br />
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Try it out– if you can find and design from the SudoRoom wiki, great. If you can find whatever limiting materials you need from a dumpster, and complete the rest from your workshop, that’s ideal. Clearer how-to’s which will be going into the Sudo Room wiki: http://sudoroom.org/wiki/<br />
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== External Reference == <br />
On Becoming an Alchemist: This book is fantastic. Teaches the magical concepts of alchemy in real life. http://books.google.com/books/about/On_Becoming_an_Alchemist.html?id=f6-5GJJRYT8C<br />
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The Alchemist: A most popular reference to Alchemy is the book by Paulo Coelho. With wonderful flow and a fantastic story, the story gives good fictional examples of the processes of learning alchemy as well as magically fits in your life <3 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Alchemist_%28novel%29</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Chez_Hack/Hack&diff=7715Chez Hack/Hack2014-03-19T16:01:03Z<p>EM Che: keeping this in mind, who else is..</p>
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<div>Juul, Tunabananas, Totum visiting thex & auto-nomous at Chez Hack and woodlands sanctuary.<br />
<br />
=Action Items=<br />
*Post-Waste nexus (Lief) getting momentum in SF/Noisebridge<br />
*Jenny sync self, JC, Praveen & Christina re: Hacker-in-Residence<br />
*Checklist for end-of-June BYOS deployment<br />
*Contact tax collector's office to relay what we want to do and ask how we proceed<br />
*Contact sudo legal team to get them up to speed on codes and process<br />
*Pick a property and try to do it<br />
*Visit the Weird Stuff warehouse [Caravan Item]<br />
<br />
=Hack It=<br />
*Fix CNC Mill<br />
*Inventory of hack supplies<br />
*Organize Events<br />
*Buy label printers<br />
*Mill-produced graphical record of tonight<br />
*Fix the bikes at Chez Hack!<br />
*Hack label printers? Smartphone printers<br />
*UI/UX design for Mycelia<br />
<br />
=Wikitown/camper-deployment=<br />
<br />
Desired outcome of conversation:<br />
*Clarity on current state + idea<br />
*Potentially a time set for deployment along with actionitems.<br />
*Phase developments / patterns: From scouting, to camper, to tent site to <br />
*Pickup truck, folks to pick up campers, places to put them.<br />
**Eg Adeline empty lot, Matt's street in Oakland, a few spots in SF<br />
**Construction materials, furnishings, servers<br />
*Create instructables [[Free materials, furnishings, resources, multimedia| for making Wikitown out of recycled materials]]<br />
*BAHT: Bay Area Hacker Transit - network of folks to pick up materials for hackerspaces<br />
*Focus on Craigslist Free in Marin!<br />
*Also LA - Beau's friend has a warehouse, we can store in Badlands.<br />
<br />
*Application process for potential tenants<br />
*Desert property for Sober Veggie House, general hacker rehab :)<br />
*Non-profit and trust to create sustainable model<br />
*Property in the desert<br />
*Hacker-in-Residence program - sync with Praveen and Christina<br />
<br />
== Basic idea ==<br />
Using campers for establishing beach head at an empty piece of land. Sort of a basecamp to work from - once you got a camper there, you can go there and hang out.<br />
<br />
=== Process ===<br />
*Go to lot and prepare road<br />
*Create foundation (concrete?) for camper<br />
*Bring it in!<br />
<br />
=== Once successfully deployed ... ===<br />
*Build a fence<br />
*Create a tent-structure<br />
<br />
==Campers as mini-hackerspaces==<br />
Patterns of hackerspaces:<br />
*Scout<br />
*Potential mothership addition in caravan + community?<br />
<br />
What is the minimum 'stuff' required for X people to go out there and hack for 72 hours?<br />
<br />
== Currently... ==<br />
*Tim has 2 campers and properties in CA.<br />
*We can gather free materials for everything we need to establish a wikitown, as long as we got infrastructure to get it (trucks and people) and space to store it.<br />
<br />
=== Potential Properties to Pilot on ===<br />
In CA, there are several in the high desert, less than 2 hours from LA. There are 2 in Lake country, and three in North East California not far from the Oregon and Nevada border.<br />
<br />
*10 acres of farmland.<br />
*reachable by public transit <br />
*Gets a few feet of snow in the winter<br />
*Needs a well [http://www.youtube.com/user/dawmlw?v=XGq0ETzZP0E].<br />
*Has a tractor<br />
*2 other properties in the national forest<br />
*free campground nearby<br />
*beautiful!<br />
<br />
=Caravan/mycelia/BACH=<br />
*Starting in the Bay Area, weekly<br />
*Teacher Buses, Occupy Oakland bus, Anthony Di Franco, whale bus Tim mentioned<br />
*First weekend: hit Reno by way of Sacramento<br />
*Documentary/video along the way (Two Hands Project)<br />
**Building awareness among non-hackers<br />
**Involving people in an inter-hackerspace community<br />
**Education and DIY inspiration<br />
**After watching video --> inspire people to help out in specific ways<br />
**Video portal<br />
**OpenSim telepresence<br />
***Helping set up a good video space (eg as in sudo or NB)<br />
***Needs to be able to fold out, be more affordable<br />
***Knob for switching between hackerspaces<br />
***Donated plasma screens<br />
***WebRTC?<br />
*Workshops <br />
**Intro to Electronics<br />
**Intro to Hackerspaces<br />
**[[Hacking hackerspaces| Hacking on hackerspaces]] - helping to build infrastructure, set up a mesh node << Mesh node**: wifi via space? will the eco-village have wifi?<br />
<br />
=Property searching=<br />
*GIS files w/ parcel outlines<br />
*Analysis of flood plain areas, toxic sites etc<br />
*Tabular data [eg value of improveements, use code, etc]<br />
*Tax collector data<br />
*Zoning, road access, access to water, <br />
*Hen Foundation, Noisebridge<br />
*Set up payment plan<br />
*Loans for the non-profit<br />
*Scope the potential properties thoroughly<br />
*Participation with the surrounding community<br />
*Development<br />
**Many of the properties are mix-zoned<br />
*Couple shipping containers, maybe 4 tiny homes, gardens / landscaping, and some tents<br />
*Under 30k is the goal<br />
*Needs hosting for qGIS data<br />
*Collect data on the properties from the County Office, Building Safety - name & address of property owner<br />
**Permits, code violations, etc<br />
**County Recorder's office for documents<br />
<br />
=SKD (Sofa King Duet)=<br />
* Could we use one of the offices available connected to sudo's common room to launch a coworking space/business? Budget: 2k(ish)/month <br />
<br />
=Interpersonal Ecosystem=<br />
*Essentially - hate to say it - a Facebook for hackers [http://github.com/em-che| like github?]<br />
*This clearly ties in to Mycelia - how to implement on the UI level? --> Hack night<br />
*Project-based system (again see Mycelia) that serves as a matchmaking platform between people, project, skills, ideas, spaces, etc<br />
*More on focused convo to come! <br />
<br />
=References=<br />
*[http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Design_Patterns Hackerspace Design Patterns]</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Permaculture_Design&diff=7581Permaculture Design2014-03-08T05:34:34Z<p>EM Che: Starting this off, could be formatted better.</p>
<hr />
<div>wiki: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Permaculture_Design<br />
<br />
another wiki: http://permaground.wikispaces.com/<br />
<br />
another wiki, lots of solar links: http://www.appropedia.org/Composting_greenhouse_provides_hot_water_%28original%29<br />
<br />
Seed library map: http://justmap.it/map.do?mapId=APkhyt2Biuaz<br />
<br />
comfrey gardening: http://www.naturalnews.com/032325_comfrey_gardening.html<br />
<br />
http://eddiemill.wordpress.com/</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Chez_Hack/Hack&diff=7543Chez Hack/Hack2014-03-04T03:01:57Z<p>EM Che: /* Potential Properties to Pilot on */</p>
<hr />
<div>Juul, Tunabananas, Totum visiting thex & auto-nomous at Chez Hack and woodlands sanctuary.<br />
<br />
=Action Items=<br />
*Post-Waste nexus (Lief) getting momentum in SF/Noisebridge<br />
*Jenny sync self, JC, Praveen & Christina re: Hacker-in-Residence<br />
*Checklist for end-of-June BYOS deployment<br />
*Contact tax collector's office to relay what we want to do and ask how we proceed<br />
*Contact sudo legal team to get them up to speed on codes and process<br />
*Pick a property and try to do it<br />
*Visit the Weird Stuff warehouse [Caravan Item]<br />
<br />
=Hack It=<br />
*Fix CNC Mill<br />
*Inventory of hack supplies<br />
*Organize Events<br />
*Buy label printers<br />
*Mill-produced graphical record of tonight<br />
*Fix the bikes at Chez Hack!<br />
*Hack label printers? Smartphone printers<br />
*UI/UX design for Mycelia<br />
<br />
=Wikitown/camper-deployment=<br />
<br />
Desired outcome of conversation:<br />
*Clarity on current state + idea<br />
*Potentially a time set for deployment along with actionitems.<br />
*Phase developments / patterns: From scouting, to camper, to tent site to <br />
*Pickup truck, folks to pick up campers, places to put them.<br />
**Eg Adeline empty lot, Matt's street in Oakland, a few spots in SF<br />
**Construction materials, furnishings, servers<br />
*Create instructables [[Free materials, furnishings, resources, multimedia| for making Wikitown out of recycled materials]]<br />
*BAHT: Bay Area Hacker Transit - network of folks to pick up materials for hackerspaces<br />
*Focus on Craigslist Free in Marin!<br />
*Also LA - Beau's friend has a warehouse, we can store in Badlands.<br />
<br />
*Application process for potential tenants<br />
*Desert property for Sober Veggie House, general hacker rehab :)<br />
*Non-profit and trust to create sustainable model<br />
*Property in the desert<br />
*Hacker-in-Residence program - sync with Praveen and Christina<br />
<br />
== Basic idea ==<br />
Using campers for establishing beach head at an empty piece of land. Sort of a basecamp to work from - once you got a camper there, you can go there and hang out.<br />
<br />
=== Process ===<br />
*Go to lot and prepare road<br />
*Create foundation (concrete?) for camper<br />
*Bring it in!<br />
<br />
=== Once successfully deployed ... ===<br />
*Build a fence<br />
*Create a tent-structure<br />
<br />
==Campers as mini-hackerspaces==<br />
Patterns of hackerspaces:<br />
*Scout<br />
*...<br />
<br />
What is the minimum 'stuff' required for X people to go out there and hack for 72 hours?<br />
<br />
== Currently... ==<br />
*Tim has 2 campers and properties in CA.<br />
*We can gather free materials for everything we need to establish a wikitown, as long as we got infrastructure to get it (trucks and people) and space to store it.<br />
<br />
=== Potential Properties to Pilot on ===<br />
In CA, there are several in the high desert, less than 2 hours from LA. There are 2 in Lake country, and three in North East California not far from the Oregon and Nevada border.<br />
<br />
*10 acres of farmland.<br />
*reachable by public transit <br />
*Gets a few feet of snow in the winter<br />
*Needs a well [http://www.youtube.com/user/dawmlw?v=XGq0ETzZP0E].<br />
*Has a tractor<br />
*2 other properties in the national forest<br />
*free campground nearby<br />
*beautiful!<br />
<br />
=Caravan/mycelia/BACH=<br />
*Starting in the Bay Area, weekly<br />
*Teacher Buses, Occupy Oakland bus, Anthony Di Franco, whale bus Tim mentioned<br />
*First weekend: hit Reno by way of Sacramento<br />
*Documentary/video along the way (Two Hands Project)<br />
**Building awareness among non-hackers<br />
**Involving people in an inter-hackerspace community<br />
**Education and DIY inspiration<br />
**After watching video --> inspire people to help out in specific ways<br />
**Video portal<br />
**OpenSim telepresence<br />
***Helping set up a good video space (eg as in sudo or NB)<br />
***Needs to be able to fold out, be more affordable<br />
***Knob for switching between hackerspaces<br />
***Donated plasma screens<br />
***WebRTC?<br />
*Workshops <br />
**Intro to Electronics<br />
**Intro to Hackerspaces<br />
**Hacking on hackerspaces - helping to build infrastructure, set up a mesh node<br />
<br />
=Property searching=<br />
*GIS files w/ parcel outlines<br />
*Analysis of flood plain areas, toxic sites etc<br />
*Tabular data [eg value of improveements, use code, etc]<br />
*Tax collector data<br />
*Zoning, road access, access to water, <br />
*Hen Foundation, Noisebridge<br />
*Set up payment plan<br />
*Loans for the non-profit<br />
*Scope the potential properties thoroughly<br />
*Participation with the surrounding community<br />
*Development<br />
**Many of the properties are mix-zoned<br />
*Couple shipping containers, maybe 4 tiny homes, gardens / landscaping, and some tents<br />
*Under 30k is the goal<br />
*Needs hosting for qGIS data<br />
*Collect data on the properties from the County Office, Building Safety - name & address of property owner<br />
**Permits, code violations, etc<br />
**County Recorder's office for documents<br />
<br />
=SKD (Sofa King Duet)=<br />
* Could we use one of the offices available connected to sudo's common room to launch a coworking space/business? Budget: 2k(ish)/month <br />
<br />
=Interpersonal Ecosystem=<br />
*Essentially - hate to say it - a Facebook for hackers<br />
*This clearly ties in to Mycelia - how to implement on the UI level? --> Hack night<br />
*Project-based system (again see Mycelia) that serves as a matchmaking platform between people, project, skills, ideas, spaces, etc<br />
*More on focused convo to come! <br />
<br />
=References=<br />
*[http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Design_Patterns Hackerspace Design Patterns]</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Chez_Hack/Hack&diff=7542Chez Hack/Hack2014-03-04T03:00:40Z<p>EM Che: /* Potential Properties to Pilot on */ No way were you looking at properties here LET ME KNOW ed.che@riseup.net</p>
<hr />
<div>Juul, Tunabananas, Totum visiting thex & auto-nomous at Chez Hack and woodlands sanctuary.<br />
<br />
=Action Items=<br />
*Post-Waste nexus (Lief) getting momentum in SF/Noisebridge<br />
*Jenny sync self, JC, Praveen & Christina re: Hacker-in-Residence<br />
*Checklist for end-of-June BYOS deployment<br />
*Contact tax collector's office to relay what we want to do and ask how we proceed<br />
*Contact sudo legal team to get them up to speed on codes and process<br />
*Pick a property and try to do it<br />
*Visit the Weird Stuff warehouse [Caravan Item]<br />
<br />
=Hack It=<br />
*Fix CNC Mill<br />
*Inventory of hack supplies<br />
*Organize Events<br />
*Buy label printers<br />
*Mill-produced graphical record of tonight<br />
*Fix the bikes at Chez Hack!<br />
*Hack label printers? Smartphone printers<br />
*UI/UX design for Mycelia<br />
<br />
=Wikitown/camper-deployment=<br />
<br />
Desired outcome of conversation:<br />
*Clarity on current state + idea<br />
*Potentially a time set for deployment along with actionitems.<br />
*Phase developments / patterns: From scouting, to camper, to tent site to <br />
*Pickup truck, folks to pick up campers, places to put them.<br />
**Eg Adeline empty lot, Matt's street in Oakland, a few spots in SF<br />
**Construction materials, furnishings, servers<br />
*Create instructables [[Free materials, furnishings, resources, multimedia| for making Wikitown out of recycled materials]]<br />
*BAHT: Bay Area Hacker Transit - network of folks to pick up materials for hackerspaces<br />
*Focus on Craigslist Free in Marin!<br />
*Also LA - Beau's friend has a warehouse, we can store in Badlands.<br />
<br />
*Application process for potential tenants<br />
*Desert property for Sober Veggie House, general hacker rehab :)<br />
*Non-profit and trust to create sustainable model<br />
*Property in the desert<br />
*Hacker-in-Residence program - sync with Praveen and Christina<br />
<br />
== Basic idea ==<br />
Using campers for establishing beach head at an empty piece of land. Sort of a basecamp to work from - once you got a camper there, you can go there and hang out.<br />
<br />
=== Process ===<br />
*Go to lot and prepare road<br />
*Create foundation (concrete?) for camper<br />
*Bring it in!<br />
<br />
=== Once successfully deployed ... ===<br />
*Build a fence<br />
*Create a tent-structure<br />
<br />
==Campers as mini-hackerspaces==<br />
Patterns of hackerspaces:<br />
*Scout<br />
*...<br />
<br />
What is the minimum 'stuff' required for X people to go out there and hack for 72 hours?<br />
<br />
== Currently... ==<br />
*Tim has 2 campers and properties in CA.<br />
*We can gather free materials for everything we need to establish a wikitown, as long as we got infrastructure to get it (trucks and people) and space to store it.<br />
<br />
=== Potential Properties to Pilot on ===<br />
In CA, there are several in the high desert, less than 2 hours from LA. There are 2 in Lake country, and three in North East California not far from the Oregon and Nevada border.<br />
<br />
*10 acres of farmland.<br />
*reachable by public transit <br />
*Gets a few feet of snow in the winter<br />
*Needs a [[http://www.youtube.com/user/dawmlw?v=XGq0ETzZP0E|well]].<br />
*Has a tractor<br />
*2 other properties in the national forest<br />
*free campground nearby<br />
*beautiful!<br />
<br />
=Caravan/mycelia/BACH=<br />
*Starting in the Bay Area, weekly<br />
*Teacher Buses, Occupy Oakland bus, Anthony Di Franco, whale bus Tim mentioned<br />
*First weekend: hit Reno by way of Sacramento<br />
*Documentary/video along the way (Two Hands Project)<br />
**Building awareness among non-hackers<br />
**Involving people in an inter-hackerspace community<br />
**Education and DIY inspiration<br />
**After watching video --> inspire people to help out in specific ways<br />
**Video portal<br />
**OpenSim telepresence<br />
***Helping set up a good video space (eg as in sudo or NB)<br />
***Needs to be able to fold out, be more affordable<br />
***Knob for switching between hackerspaces<br />
***Donated plasma screens<br />
***WebRTC?<br />
*Workshops <br />
**Intro to Electronics<br />
**Intro to Hackerspaces<br />
**Hacking on hackerspaces - helping to build infrastructure, set up a mesh node<br />
<br />
=Property searching=<br />
*GIS files w/ parcel outlines<br />
*Analysis of flood plain areas, toxic sites etc<br />
*Tabular data [eg value of improveements, use code, etc]<br />
*Tax collector data<br />
*Zoning, road access, access to water, <br />
*Hen Foundation, Noisebridge<br />
*Set up payment plan<br />
*Loans for the non-profit<br />
*Scope the potential properties thoroughly<br />
*Participation with the surrounding community<br />
*Development<br />
**Many of the properties are mix-zoned<br />
*Couple shipping containers, maybe 4 tiny homes, gardens / landscaping, and some tents<br />
*Under 30k is the goal<br />
*Needs hosting for qGIS data<br />
*Collect data on the properties from the County Office, Building Safety - name & address of property owner<br />
**Permits, code violations, etc<br />
**County Recorder's office for documents<br />
<br />
=SKD (Sofa King Duet)=<br />
* Could we use one of the offices available connected to sudo's common room to launch a coworking space/business? Budget: 2k(ish)/month <br />
<br />
=Interpersonal Ecosystem=<br />
*Essentially - hate to say it - a Facebook for hackers<br />
*This clearly ties in to Mycelia - how to implement on the UI level? --> Hack night<br />
*Project-based system (again see Mycelia) that serves as a matchmaking platform between people, project, skills, ideas, spaces, etc<br />
*More on focused convo to come! <br />
<br />
=References=<br />
*[http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Design_Patterns Hackerspace Design Patterns]</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Chez_Hack/Hack&diff=7541Chez Hack/Hack2014-03-04T02:58:32Z<p>EM Che: /* Wikitown/-deployment */ Jenny and the collective</p>
<hr />
<div>Juul, Tunabananas, Totum visiting thex & auto-nomous at Chez Hack and woodlands sanctuary.<br />
<br />
=Action Items=<br />
*Post-Waste nexus (Lief) getting momentum in SF/Noisebridge<br />
*Jenny sync self, JC, Praveen & Christina re: Hacker-in-Residence<br />
*Checklist for end-of-June BYOS deployment<br />
*Contact tax collector's office to relay what we want to do and ask how we proceed<br />
*Contact sudo legal team to get them up to speed on codes and process<br />
*Pick a property and try to do it<br />
*Visit the Weird Stuff warehouse [Caravan Item]<br />
<br />
=Hack It=<br />
*Fix CNC Mill<br />
*Inventory of hack supplies<br />
*Organize Events<br />
*Buy label printers<br />
*Mill-produced graphical record of tonight<br />
*Fix the bikes at Chez Hack!<br />
*Hack label printers? Smartphone printers<br />
*UI/UX design for Mycelia<br />
<br />
=Wikitown/camper-deployment=<br />
<br />
Desired outcome of conversation:<br />
*Clarity on current state + idea<br />
*Potentially a time set for deployment along with actionitems.<br />
*Phase developments / patterns: From scouting, to camper, to tent site to <br />
*Pickup truck, folks to pick up campers, places to put them.<br />
**Eg Adeline empty lot, Matt's street in Oakland, a few spots in SF<br />
**Construction materials, furnishings, servers<br />
*Create instructables [[Free materials, furnishings, resources, multimedia| for making Wikitown out of recycled materials]]<br />
*BAHT: Bay Area Hacker Transit - network of folks to pick up materials for hackerspaces<br />
*Focus on Craigslist Free in Marin!<br />
*Also LA - Beau's friend has a warehouse, we can store in Badlands.<br />
<br />
*Application process for potential tenants<br />
*Desert property for Sober Veggie House, general hacker rehab :)<br />
*Non-profit and trust to create sustainable model<br />
*Property in the desert<br />
*Hacker-in-Residence program - sync with Praveen and Christina<br />
<br />
== Basic idea ==<br />
Using campers for establishing beach head at an empty piece of land. Sort of a basecamp to work from - once you got a camper there, you can go there and hang out.<br />
<br />
=== Process ===<br />
*Go to lot and prepare road<br />
*Create foundation (concrete?) for camper<br />
*Bring it in!<br />
<br />
=== Once successfully deployed ... ===<br />
*Build a fence<br />
*Create a tent-structure<br />
<br />
==Campers as mini-hackerspaces==<br />
Patterns of hackerspaces:<br />
*Scout<br />
*...<br />
<br />
What is the minimum 'stuff' required for X people to go out there and hack for 72 hours?<br />
<br />
== Currently... ==<br />
*Tim has 2 campers and properties in CA.<br />
*We can gather free materials for everything we need to establish a wikitown, as long as we got infrastructure to get it (trucks and people) and space to store it.<br />
<br />
=== Potential Properties to Pilot on ===<br />
In CA, there are several in the high desert, less than 2 hours from LA. There are 2 in Lake country, and three in North East California not far from the Oregon and Nevada border.<br />
<br />
*10 acres of farmland.<br />
*reachable by public transit <br />
*Gets a few feet of snow in the winter<br />
*Needs a well.<br />
*Has a tractor<br />
*2 other properties in the national forest<br />
*free campground nearby<br />
*beautiful!<br />
<br />
=Caravan/mycelia/BACH=<br />
*Starting in the Bay Area, weekly<br />
*Teacher Buses, Occupy Oakland bus, Anthony Di Franco, whale bus Tim mentioned<br />
*First weekend: hit Reno by way of Sacramento<br />
*Documentary/video along the way (Two Hands Project)<br />
**Building awareness among non-hackers<br />
**Involving people in an inter-hackerspace community<br />
**Education and DIY inspiration<br />
**After watching video --> inspire people to help out in specific ways<br />
**Video portal<br />
**OpenSim telepresence<br />
***Helping set up a good video space (eg as in sudo or NB)<br />
***Needs to be able to fold out, be more affordable<br />
***Knob for switching between hackerspaces<br />
***Donated plasma screens<br />
***WebRTC?<br />
*Workshops <br />
**Intro to Electronics<br />
**Intro to Hackerspaces<br />
**Hacking on hackerspaces - helping to build infrastructure, set up a mesh node<br />
<br />
=Property searching=<br />
*GIS files w/ parcel outlines<br />
*Analysis of flood plain areas, toxic sites etc<br />
*Tabular data [eg value of improveements, use code, etc]<br />
*Tax collector data<br />
*Zoning, road access, access to water, <br />
*Hen Foundation, Noisebridge<br />
*Set up payment plan<br />
*Loans for the non-profit<br />
*Scope the potential properties thoroughly<br />
*Participation with the surrounding community<br />
*Development<br />
**Many of the properties are mix-zoned<br />
*Couple shipping containers, maybe 4 tiny homes, gardens / landscaping, and some tents<br />
*Under 30k is the goal<br />
*Needs hosting for qGIS data<br />
*Collect data on the properties from the County Office, Building Safety - name & address of property owner<br />
**Permits, code violations, etc<br />
**County Recorder's office for documents<br />
<br />
=SKD (Sofa King Duet)=<br />
* Could we use one of the offices available connected to sudo's common room to launch a coworking space/business? Budget: 2k(ish)/month <br />
<br />
=Interpersonal Ecosystem=<br />
*Essentially - hate to say it - a Facebook for hackers<br />
*This clearly ties in to Mycelia - how to implement on the UI level? --> Hack night<br />
*Project-based system (again see Mycelia) that serves as a matchmaking platform between people, project, skills, ideas, spaces, etc<br />
*More on focused convo to come! <br />
<br />
=References=<br />
*[http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Design_Patterns Hackerspace Design Patterns]</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Free_materials,_furnishings,_resources,_multimedia&diff=7540Free materials, furnishings, resources, multimedia2014-03-04T02:56:40Z<p>EM Che: its just a matter of mycelium....</p>
<hr />
<div>*Resources to facilitate transition.<br />
These materials roughly equivalate to what the current composition of American landfills looks like:<br />
Newspapers, Cardboard, Egg trays, Plastic bottles, Pallet boxes, Aluminum, e-waste, Batteries, Various metal and wood, Earth.<br />
<br />
*Furnishings<br />
Freecycling and Craigslist free ads are addicting, and a fun way to de-clutter and re-sort your life on what matters. It's not that everyone needs the same thing, in a decentralized movement, one person's trash is ultimately just what another person thinks they need. What do you need actually? Not much. [[Art and Revolution]]<br />
<br />
Anarchic life will trump the evil and controlled GMO monoculture enforced order.<br />
<br />
*Multimedia<br />
Many artists, would rather get their name out there than be prostituted to the subjugations of a pimp label. Any objections to the dissent is from these 1% worthless middle-men who would take advantage of an artist to sell something. As an artist, I have defeated many, all shapes and sizes and colors. So did the Buddha.<br />
<br />
links from [[Chez Hack/Hack]]<br />
[[Hacking hackerspaces]]<br />
<br />
*More links*<br />
[[Freedom Paradigm]]<br />
[[Anticapitalism]]<br />
<br />
don't use money live free 2014.<br />
in fact, we will free the US government from it's malaise of money-hungry bitches which control it.<br />
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/252262-yao-ming-face</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Hacking_hackerspaces&diff=7537Hacking hackerspaces2014-03-04T02:38:37Z<p>EM Che: work in progress, of course</p>
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<div>Sudo Room is an open, non-hierarchical, collaborative community of humans, including tech developers, citizen scientists, activists, artists--and all combinations in between and beyond!--who are interested in and working towards social change. Our goal is to create the first inclusive, dedicated hackerspace in downtown Oakland, to share ideas and projects in citizen science, digital citizenship and literacy, environmental sustainability, community engagement, and self-government.<br />
<br />
Sudo Room is committed to access, empowerment, transparency, and public/social good. Sudoers have a great diversity of interests and we emphasize respect and solidarity among ourselves and with others. <br />
<br />
Membership includes 24/7 access to the space with a personal access method, for example code and/or rfid.<br />
<br />
Unanimous consent<br />
<br />
Non-members can use the space as much as they want when other members are present, but cannot access the space when no members are there and have to leave when the last member leaves.<br />
<br />
Discussion, mostly vibe-y<br />
<br />
To empower members to deal with problematic non-members, non-members can be thrown out at any time by a member if that members feels that the non-member is being a problem, _unless_ some other member present in the space is willing to vouch for the non-member as a guest. Non-members being asked to leave must be told that they can further discuss the incident at a Wednesday meeting or on the mailing list.<br />
<br />
Discussion: Some way of logging the incident? <br />
<br />
SYNHAK Akron:<br />
We exist as a free public resource. If you have an idea that needs realized, it can happen at SYNHAK. <br />
<br />
Hackerspace Santa Barbara:<br />
After having tools stolen by a guest, they made it so that a guest has to leave when the last member does for the night. I went with my sleeping bag down the street a ways. <br />
<br />
Would be even better if I had a [[Free materials, furnishings, resources, multimedia|treehouse]]<br />
<br />
Hackerspace: Minimum requirements: via [[Meeting Notes 2013-09-18|Meeting notes]]<br />
BART is close by�<br />
Disability / wheelchair access�<br />
Vehicle parking (motor and human-powered) is possible.�<br />
Bathroom�<br />
Sink (at least one, but preferably outside of bathroom)�<br />
Late access (preferably 24 hour)�<br />
Ability to make some noise (at least event noise)�<br />
Internet�<br />
Electricity�<br />
Security and privacy�<br />
e.g. not a hallway or shared access with other tenants we don't know.�<br />
Landlord must either support the idea or be agnostic<br />
Month-to-month lease preferable<br />
<br />
<br />
==Minimal Vulnerabilities==<br />
*Building Insurance in place<br />
*Liability insurance procured if necessary<br />
<br />
There might be only a few lies and exagerrations. Is [[Free space|space free?]]<br />
Anonymous: Not one fuck will be given.</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Talk:Meeting_Notes_2013-09-18&diff=7517Talk:Meeting Notes 2013-09-182014-03-02T04:19:58Z<p>EM Che: Talk page autocreated when first thread was posted</p>
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<div></div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Meeting_Notes_2013-09-18/Is_anyone_else....&diff=7516Thread:Talk:Meeting Notes 2013-09-18/Is anyone else....2014-03-02T04:19:58Z<p>EM Che: New thread: Is anyone else....</p>
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<div>Is anyone else into this certain thought experiment of, "what are the minimals" type existence or, of a basic collective (or is it, compact?) like the Sudo room (group?). I personally spend a lot of time thinking about this and living it, sometimes things got lost on the streets often which makes any solution very resilient. <br />
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I'm wondering if anyone else does for solidarity and expanding some on these [[solutions]].<br />
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<div>= Proposals =<br />
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== Full Floors with Common Space==<br />
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This proposal strives to create (on 3rd Floor) a shared common space, but also with enough space for each of the groups to split cost together fairly. Second floor could include other groups easily, including many already in contact with sudo room, etc.<br />
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* Floor 3: ~5,475 sqft<br />
* Floor 2: ~2,350 sqft<br />
* Total: ~7,825 sqft<br />
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[[File:8th and alice.png|floorplans for proposed rental]]<br />
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Source files:<br />
* https://sudoroom.org/wiki/File:8th_and_alice.svg<br />
* https://sudoroom.org/wiki/File:8th_and_alice.pdf<br />
* https://sudoroom.org/wiki/File:8th_and_alice.png<br />
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This space had been potentially available for rent starting about January 1st and is confirmed to be available as of Feb 26.<br />
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= Location = <br />
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*Address: [http://osm.org/go/TZNQo9T6E-?m= 251 8TH ST, OAKLAND 94607]<br />
*Two blocks from Lake Merritt BART<br />
*Four blocks from Broadway<br />
*In Chinatown<br />
*Small Chinese grocery on 1st floor and a bigger grocery one block away.<br />
*Restaurant (Cambodian) on 1st floor. <br />
:~$8 entrees. Other people viewing the space say it's really good.<br />
*Free food: 7AM (be there by 7:15) breakfast, and 6:30 PM dinner (meets with the large group a little south) at 7th and Oak Sts. (Open Door)<br />
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= Photos =<br />
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*[http://imgur.com/a/b9Bsn juul's photos]<br />
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= Leaser =<br />
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The space is being managed and leased out by [http://www.creativedevelopmentpartners.com/ Creative Development Partners]. Need to verify, but previously, Jason Vargas (of CDP) worked with (or for?) the [http://ebaldc.org/ East Bay Asian Local Development Corporation (EBALDC)].<br />
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= History =<br />
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The space (top two floors) has not been used in "15 years". Its last use was as a big sewing shop/factory (same usage as Noisebridge's space).<br />
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[[File:Elegance sewing co.jpg|thumb|business card of former business at [[8th and Alice]]]]<br />
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Apparently the previous owners passed the building on to their relation, current owner Connie K Young (~1994) so the evaluation hasn't changed since (~1969)? The contact for the property is:<br />
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::Eclipse Property Management, Inc<br />
::1001 Marina Village Parkway, #115<br />
::Alameda, CA 94501-1092<br />
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* Parcel Number: 1-185-18<br />
* Use Code: 3200<br />
** Store on 1st floor, with offices, apts/lofts 2nd/3<br />
* Last evaluation (taxable value)<br />
** Land: $50,772.00<br />
** Improvements: $150,599.00<br />
** Total: $201,371.00<br />
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== Info from original emails from CDP ==<br />
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We're working on a plan to do some much needed updating for a building with great bones, big old factory-style windows, wide-open floor plan, and unbeatable location and access. We've got up to 5,000sf (out of 10,000sf) of space remaining available and would love to find more folks like you to be part of this emerging cluster of cleantech and hardware startups. This space is ideal for growing startups who need their own space.<br />
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Not only is this location in the midst of one of the most vibrant neighborhoods in the Bay Area, in the immediate vicinity are startups like Fathom (http://studiofathom.com/), LightSail Energy (http://www.lightsail.com/), Blue Bottle Coffee HQ (http://www.bluebottlecoffee.com/), and Public Bikes (http://publicbikes.com/). <br />
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Incentives applicable at this location:<br />
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*The City of Oakland is offering business license and sales tax abatement as incentives<br />
*The State of California's manufacturing equipment sale and use tax exemptions<br />
*The State of California's California Competes income tax credit<br />
*The State of California's New Employment Credit<br />
*No African Americans would be displaced, only Chinese<br />
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The base rent would be $0.90/sf NNN. Because the upper floors of the building have been vacant for nearly 15 years we only have a rough estimate of the NNN charge as no more than $0.50/sf. Of course the actual NNN figure would be directly calculated based on actual costs. Our estimate is based on existing expenses and factoring in additional new expenses to maintain upgrades that will make this building suitable for hardware startups and hacker spaces: a material lift, added load on the passenger elevator, ADA access, a security system, and insurance for manufacturing-related use. Our goal is to get the NNN cost to about $0.25/sf/month.<br />
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In addition to being able to offer you a professionally-managed, great space in a wonderful neighborhood at a price that works for you, you should know that we're actively working on plans for a hardware startup incubator/accelerator in the vicinity (maybe even elsewhere in the building) that would offer graduates of Laney's Advanced Manufacturing program a chance to develop their ideas into businesses. Another related initiative we've been nurturing is a STEM/STEAM exploration center mashup with a hardware store.<br />
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This is to say, we're much more than the typical real estate brokers, landlords, or developers. We're active community builders and doers who are passionate about the work you're doing. And we're expert at figuring out how to make space and real estate deals work through creative and unique funding, financing and investments.<br />
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''SEE ALSO'' discussion on Sudo Room mailing list: http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/2013-November/004688.html<br />
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= Pending renovations =<br />
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The floors will be redone and the freight elevator revived. If we don't care about that, then we could likely negotiate e.g. some period of free rent in exchange for not requiring those renovations. There have been some roof leakage (no mold as far as we could see) and those leaks will be fixed.<br />
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= Tax =<br />
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*Parcel number: 1-185-18<br />
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*Property tax: $4,440 secured + $4,597 supplemental = $8,997<br />
*Assuming one floor is 1/3 of that tax: $2,999 yearly or $250 monthly<br />
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*[http://www.acgov.org/MS/prop/index.aspx?PRINT_PARCEL=1-185-18 assessment info source]<br />
*[https://www.acgov.org/propertytax/history.htm tax history]<br />
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= Building and fire insurance =<br />
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We heard that the building/fire insurance for The Omni is only $500 a month. That seems _really_ low for such a big space. We need to get a quote, but for now let's assume $500 for one floor.<br />
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= 3rd floor = <br />
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*Larger than 2nd floor<br />
*Rooftop access<br />
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== Amenities ==<br />
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*Sink in main space<br />
*Lots of natural light<br />
*Three bathrooms<br />
:One big enough that it could be made ADA accessible.<br />
*Elevator<br />
:Not ADA compliant but can possibly be grandfathered in as ADA compliant? Big enough for wheelchair to drive in and back out<br />
*Freight elevator<br />
:Currently not functioning, but will be put back in operation if leasers so desire.<br />
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== Costs ==<br />
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*Floor plan total: 5,425 sqft<br />
*Floor plan total minus elevator/stairways: maybe ~5,000 sqft<br />
*Price: 90 cents per sqft nnn.<br />
*Creative Development Partners IG cost estimate (on top of nnn): $0.25 to $0.50 per sqft<br />
*Our IG cost estimate: $250 tax monthly + maybe $500 building/fire insurance monthly<br />
*Total cost estimate with CDP: $5,750 to $7,000<br />
*Total cost estimate with ours: $5,250<br />
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= 2nd floor =<br />
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*Smaller than 3rd floor<br />
:Acupuncturist has his office there + some space lost to shared hallway.<br />
*Shared bathroom between acupuncturist and whoever leases the main space.<br />
*Stair access to ground floor.<br />
*No rooftop access.<br />
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= Rooftop =<br />
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*Accessible via stairs from 3rd floor<br />
*Needs to be tested for structural integrity / leaks.<br />
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The CDP (leasers) will find out if the rooftop is usable. They are interested in making it a usable space. This would be an awesome space for outdoor events during the summer. Unfortunately no elevators go there and the stairs are narrow.</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:User_talk:Juul/What%27s_up%3F/reply_(2)&diff=7513Thread:User talk:Juul/What's up?/reply (2)2014-03-02T03:32:47Z<p>EM Che: Reply to What's up?</p>
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<div>Dude. The one stove I built in SF? Went through Rainbow, and 4 months on native land being used twice a day, and I still have and am using it. Really fantastic! A good bread and butter and the materials example, which I'm building all kinds of things with recycling now and calling it, "resources." interesting..... no?<br />
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Yeah, just saw the site that is sweet. If I come back with a tent and occupy setup, which I think about and design constantly, I'll get hooked into it. Would make the style complete with this battery and inverter. <br />
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Cha!<br />
EC</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Occupy_new_civilization&diff=7510Occupy new civilization2014-03-02T03:10:09Z<p>EM Che: A proposal came up to make an alternative civilization woo! Read the 63 comments before anything's sabotaged on the ows site</p>
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Hello OWS!<br />
I don't want to waste your time so I'll be brief.<br />
I think you should start a new civilization.<br />
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If you can raise $7m for a rolling jubilee it should be easy to raise money for a new society. I read this fictional story called "Manna" where someone did this by getting everyone to pay $1k into a fund which was used to buy land, minerals, water, etc everything they would need. It had something like a million people sign up so they had a $billion to start out. After it was set up they went and rescued all the people [from capitalism] who paid into it and took them to this new society. Think about it...<br />
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Instead of funding a private militia to protect activists... or paying off fictional debt... or whatever flavour of the month political protest... just go whole hog. I have people sending me emails every day asking to join something like this. I would join something like this. It doesn't even have to be US based, you can get land and resources anywhere.<br />
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What do you say?<br />
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-JS<br />
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This wild proposal for crowdfunding a new society just landed in our inbox. What do you think? http://t.co/y4I20zDuym #OWS<br />
— Occupy Wall Street (@OccupyWallSt) February 13, 2014<br />
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Maybe it could be based on righteous equality... as in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Perhaps people can represent themselves or appoint someone else to represent them, they'd have a choice.<br />
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[-] 6 points by Renneye (3127) 2 weeks ago<br />
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"based on righteous equality... as in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."<br />
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I like this very much. These are the kind of humane thoughts and ideas we need in a new society, and to use our own version of the articles of the UN's declaration would be a beautiful foundation.<br />
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I would only say though, that some adjustments would need to be adapted to the sometimes vague articles of the UN's version. And our version would have 'teeth' behind it. 'Cause for all the wording in that document, the UN has done a piss poor job of making sure the world's people don't suffer.<br />
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[-] 0 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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What attracts you to this idea? If find it extremely boring. Here was my reply:<br />
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http://occupywallst.org/article/wild-proposal-raise-1billion/#comment-1023105<br />
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You realize your questions above - Would there be representatives? Would it be governed by the people? etc.... - Are questions we have already tried to answer for OWS since the beginning. The GAs were an attempt at creating a new type of democracy. Nothing is new here. Just saying we need to create a new country doesn't answer all the hard questions we had before. It's a smokescreen. If we had the answer to how a great country should be run, we would either be trying to achieve it right now, or another group would have used it by now. We need to focus on what is important. How can we create a better world? What can we do to put pressure on capitalists that are rapping our country and the world. Creating a new commune won't change a thing. We need to fix the real problems in the real world. We need to stop Global Warming, find ways to stop the carnage of the planet, help the poor around us, stop corruption in politics, etc...<br />
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[-] 5 points by Renneye (3127) 2 weeks ago<br />
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You're completely and utterly wrong. But, your comment does provide good context from which to work. Which, I'm sure, is the purpose of your comment.<br />
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I'm not familiar with Larry, or if he provided any details about the society he thought up. It isn't important really. We can use the initial idea and create our own society. The idea provides a starting point.<br />
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You've assumed a lot. What makes you think it would be a commune? What makes you think we would be living in the woods? Why would we isolate ourselves? That would be silly. Why would we set ourselves up for failure and attack that way?<br />
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It seems to me, that OWS is the perfect place to be discussing what a new 'representative free' society would look like and how it would function. If not brainstorm, research, organize and actualize HERE at occupy where there is the biggest possible populace to influence and inspire...then where??<br />
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Lets not be under any illusions. Who truly knows what OWS really is, but, for all the attention it gets and awareness it spreads...<br />
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OWS IS the best place, and this is the best thread to plan such a society.<br />
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Too bad, if you're bored. This is what many people want. To be rid of representative government. To govern ourselves. This is exciting to me, and many others. To build a society based on human dignity and a social contract that embraces all of humanity, actualized by empathy, and yes...love.<br />
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No 'one' person will have all the ideas. There will be many creative people who can contribute their ideas and expertise. We just have to start it. It will grow. And once it comes to fruition, it will likely grow fast, given the fairness by which people will be treated.<br />
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There have been many individual ideas already that can be congregated here to help achieve such a society. Perhaps there could be a rule that all the businesses within such a society should be co-operatives. Not sure if that's the best way to go, but it's a possibility. And it doesn't matter that these ideas have been talked about before. Just because an idea didn't get off the ground the first time doesn't mean it wasn't a good idea. Ideas, inventions, innovations often have to go through several rounds before it is put where it's best suited.<br />
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We have to start somewhere. The world is so entrenched in the status quo, that it will be impossible to fight back within the establishment. We will not be able to 'demand' anything from it, or them. We simply have to ignore the existing establishment, political parties, etc., and create our own along side it.<br />
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All these things you say that need to be done in our world can be ensured within a new society just as it can in the rest of the world. Perhaps even better. Why would you think that if we started a new civilization, that we would forsake the rest of the world?<br />
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[-] 2 points by Herberius (4) from Santa Anita, JAL 2 weeks ago<br />
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Great replay Renneye, actually I believe that building this new society would be the only effective way to solve the issues that muffinsanddonuts is pointing out. Permanent change comes within ourselves and effective leadership is attained by setting the example... building this society will show case how a truly intelligent society looks like and this would be the best way to awaken and inspire the "numb society" to replicate the model elsewhere and then it would be a matter of time to do a lasting and effective change... have you heard about the Venus Project? that project kinda aligns with this one.<br />
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[-] 2 points by gnomunny (5545) from St Louis, MO 2 weeks ago<br />
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Good comment.<br />
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[-] 3 points by Renneye (3127) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Why, thank you, kind sir.<br />
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[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5545) from St Louis, MO 2 weeks ago<br />
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You're, . . . welcome.<br />
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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 weeks ago<br />
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a parallel perception frame<br />
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[-] 0 points by WhyteHorse (11) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Holding a GA won't change anything either. Nor will occupying a park, protesting, signing petitions, marching, etc. We tried it your way for the last 2 years and here we are back to square one... still have student loans, still have no jobs, still the same people in power, still getting social programs to the poor cut, still building Keystone XL, etc. Nobody is going to stop driving their cars so you can already anticipate global warming. Nobody is going to stop shopping at Walmart, voting dem/repub, watching football and Fox news, etc. It sounds like you're the one living a fantasy if you think you can stop corruption, poverty, etc.<br />
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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 weeks ago<br />
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Everybody knows - Leonard Cohen<br />
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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20333) from South Burlington, VT 2 weeks ago<br />
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It might be ok - but only so long as no one from the SETI committee starts insisting that They are out to get us<br />
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[-] 4 points by Renneye (3127) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Hmmm...nice, but I thought your Wernher von Braun comment was much more interesting.<br />
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[-] 1 points by NineInchBride (6) 2 weeks ago<br />
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I thought Vermont already ~was~ the new civilization...<br />
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;-)<br />
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[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20333) from South Burlington, VT 2 weeks ago<br />
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hey!hey! shhhhh!<br />
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on a side note, Vermont has already won two medals at the Olympics.<br />
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One silver<br />
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one bronze<br />
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[-] 6 points by Renneye (3127) 6 days ago<br />
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I'm cross-linking 'gsw's' Forum Post to this 'OccupyWallSt' article on starting a new civilization, for further sharing of information.<br />
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"Ideas and actions made toward a new civilization/society should Absolutely be a part of OWS, and should be parallel in importance to protesting and exposing the ruling elites' criminal activities. There's no reason why we can't do both at the same time.<br />
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This is a great organization that you have posted here. The more organizations like these with ideas, the better. We can all learn from each other and eventually democratically vote for the best ideas."<br />
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Thanks kindly 'gsw'!<br />
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http://occupywallst.org/forum/never-put-all-your-eggs-in-one-basket/<br />
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http://www.initiativesamendment.org/aboutus.htm<br />
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http://www.initiativesamendment.org/summary_paper.pdf<br />
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[-] 4 points by ClearView (74) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Money may buy you some things, but i assure you, it will not buy you a working alternative to our current system that is driven by money-without-principle. 1)Identify fundamental principles 2)Act according to those principles (which include civil disobedience) 3)Recognize that any representation of wealth, is wealth based upon common values and principles 4)To talk about creating a new society, the first step is to find and strengthen that which connects us on a deeper level. OWS continues to be very relevant in my world in that systemic problems are identified, and some action to expose them, interrupt them, and open dialogue and actions for healthy sustainable living together on this earth.<br />
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[-] 3 points by CEOP (3) from Durham, NC 1 day ago<br />
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We had a similar, albeit much smaller, idea in Durham, NC. We are not looking to fund a whole new society, just trying to build an oasis of opportunity for some of the most marginalized unemployed (as a start for creating a more sustainable economic micro-system). The troops are not coming for these people, it's regular folks or nobody. The link for the crowdfunding page is here: http://igg.me/at/ceop/x/6269963<br />
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Hesitate to post this here, but like-minded people are like-minded.<br />
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[-] 2 points by Durvasa (5) from Davie, FL 1 day ago<br />
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I say I could go along with it. But we're looking for a global solution, not increased sectarianism. I 100% agree with you though, the whole system needs to be scratched and redone. Starting i think with religion, currency and politics.<br />
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[-] 2 points by occupycampbellco (32) from Newport, KY 1 day ago<br />
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I said a long time ago that there should be an Occupy version of the Free State Project - maybe just limited to one town in each metropolitan area. But everyone ignored my suggestion.<br />
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[-] 2 points by NineInchBride (6) 2 weeks ago<br />
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"If it's crowdfunded it COULD be all of us and go beyond $1billion. It's easy to dismiss this idea as escapism. People dismiss earth-ships as "piles of rubble", medical marijuana as "for people who just want to get high", and anybody who wants to have a better life as 'seeking to escape'." ~WhyteHorse<br />
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It would easily and inevitably be dismissed as escapism if it were just a few, and not at least 'intended' for #AllOfUs. That's not to say I wouldn't be game for a well planned experiment that showed every practical detail of success. That's the only way you could crowdfund it though. In fact you'd likely need to crowdfund every stage, the planning and dissemination stage likely being the most difficult and rife with disagreements.<br />
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Where I'm afraid this breaks down is dependencies on neighbouring countries and the larger world. Even earth-ships have dependencies. Do we have high-speed internet in Shangri La? When it's time to replace the solar panels or wind turbines, how do we pay for that? Do we have a currency? Is it convertible? The Bolshevik and Cuban revolutions thought they could live apart sustainably, didn't they? Neither became a magnet or example to be envied. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Marx himself argue no national people's experiment could succeed in isolation, hence the call for world revolution and the internationale? Didn't Lenin deem a revolution in Germany, at the very least, the sine qua non for Bolshevik success? History has borne this out dramatically in any event. Your neighbors can destroy your experiment at will if some or all of them so choose, simply by choking off your trade or attacking your currency or compelling you to an arms race.<br />
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"It doesn't have to be isolated. The US won't have any soldiers if enough people quit their crappy military jobs to go live in a real civilization." ~WhyteHorse<br />
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The interdependencies and what if's are endless. In the best case scenario, where you have an enviable success and people can't wait to quit their awful jobs and their horrible culture to join in our good work and green culture, would be painting a bullseye on the utopian state. Uncle Sam is busy in the world undermining and destroying states and cultures for far less threat, or none at all, just to open a market, and I dare say that dirty business would be taken care of long before a critical mass of people quit the military for paradise. On the other hand... we do indeed seem to me to be ready for a 'fork in the road.'<br />
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See more below in response to your intriguing posts ;-)<br />
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"I couldn't disagree more. To call this a commune is really insulting. Every commune I've seen, including Auroville, began with a handful of people. A crowdfunded civilization is open to all. If 99% of people decide to join there would only be 1% left to rule themselves (and clean their toilets, hehe). So it's nothing at all like a retreat into the woods... it's more like exiting a casino and taking all the players home for a 100% payout game." I love the way your mind works... ;-) "This idea is interesting to me because it works. The Zeitgeist movement has done extensive analyses showing just that. The US began this way as well. It's no big secret or novel idea. It just works and there comes a logical point in human history where it makes more sense for a society to fork from the old and begin anew." ~WhyteHorse<br />
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Thank you! I fully appreciate what you are saying about the Zeitgeist Movement, which formed a good part of our research for the Nine Inch Bride series. And I especially thank you for the link to Manna (http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm), which I have just read for the first time in its entirety. The similarities to our work are many, some details are keenly striking, like the see-through walls, and in general both that work and ours speak to the meaning of small 'z' zeitgeist, that is, the spirit of the times, which we believe fully accounts for such simultaneity in vision. Sa, our heroine, likewise sees a future where jobs are automated and work is a highly incentivized option within an unconditional income scheme. Here are a couple of quotes from book 1:<br />
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"Capitalism, I think, could be voted out of existence for the price of one resource war, a few hundred billion at the going rate, a notion seemingly beyond the Bigs’ collective imagination. With a well-researched plan, its basic structures could be dismantled and reformed within a generation."<br />
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"There comes a time when the intelligence of a people outstrips its forms and demands fundamental change as a simple point of reason."<br />
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We like to think 'great minds' think alike, and include ~ Renneye~ and others in this discussion. ;-) More than such similarities though, so much of what OWS is struggling with right here in this post as well as in Justine's fireworks on Twitter is dealt with inside Nine Inch Bride. So much has come forward thanks to Justine & Co.'s cage rattling, we were compelled to write a blog post relating that to the coincidence of our new title for book 1, namely An Epiphany On Wall Street. You can find that blog post here: http://www.nineinchbride.com/author-blog-commentary/entry/about-title-epiphany-on-wall-street.html<br />
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Since you're allowing links, please indulge me and learn more about my work at them, it is all marvelously on topic in a radical way. You can find slews of directly relevant quotes from the books on Twitter under the hash tags #9ib and #9ib2, for books one and two in the series, as well as info under tags #NineInchBride, #IStoopToFiction and #ArtLeads. Our Twitter page is https://twitter.com/NineInchBride There are lengthy excerpts from both books at http://www.nineinchbride.com/excerpts-from-novel-nine-inch-bride.html as well as under the Blog link.<br />
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"If it isn't obvious that "We are unable to change society with OWS" by now, then you need to re-evaluate the facts." ~WhyteHorse<br />
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Ken in conversation with the heroine, taken from Book Two, A Stone of Conscience:<br />
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"Sean went to the protests when it started to look like the media was manufacturing consent with phony evidence and pointing the finger at Teheran. We had arguments all the time. I’d tell him you can’t expect all these protests will effect a change when the police have you surrounded, cameras are on you, and drones are spraying tag agents you can’t wash off, enabling them to identify you with public scans and continue to arrest you for weeks afterward. The threat of ‘fucking you over for life’ if you got booked on some inflated charge of civil disobedience was quite explicit to begin with, and who knows how many ways they have to do it to you."<br />
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"The mind of power is like a king’s walled castle," she answered with a sweeping gesture. "Protest at the gate is good moral affirmation for its participants and good employment for the guards but poor in results over all, unless the numbers in protest are too great to be killed and can withstand long enough to starve out a king."<br />
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"Okay, so nothing’s changed."<br />
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"The stuff you're doing is actually propping up the system you oppose. All the charity work you do lowers the cost to those at the top. Instead of the 1% paying taxes to feed the poor, they don't pay any taxes and OWS picks up the tab." ~WhyteHorse<br />
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Nice. I agree. I'd just qualify that the "intent" of these actions went well beyond the feeding and support, and did have powerful messages about who and what OWS was/is within our sick culture, did produce a wildfire of positive reaction that protest actions have not, and had a shaming effect on "the 1%," forcing them to take action and showing up the Simon Legree intrinsic to capitalist culture in a way that is unmistakeable to ordinary people, both those affected and those reading about it.<br />
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There's a great future for OWS in StrikeDebt and OccupySandy. I also like the OccupyMoney effort in banking. The premise we have taken for our heroine is a kind of funding 'mother ship' for pilot group actions, of which OWS would be one such. While crowdfunding is certainly an option, our idea was to do it via the 'property casino' of Wall Street and reliable business mechanisms, essentially the notion of anti-capitalism capitalism, turning the instruments of oppression into instruments funding their own demise.<br />
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We think it is not worth arguing what money can or cannot buy by way of revolution, since in all history "Revolution has never been properly capitalized," as our heroine says, and I would advance the notion that its failures and the fears it engenders are largely due to lack of funding, research and planning in the lead up and for the aftermath.<br />
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The fact is, starting a new 'exemplary' society with a few million paying subscribers begs for the question, what is actually needed for a revolution within America? There is compelling evidence that only 3-3.5% of a population need participate actively to bring about capitalism's downfall. See this research on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJSehRlU34w&feature=youtu.be For this much, OWS seems quite viable.<br />
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We'll be glad to forward free eBook copies of works one and two to anyone constructively contributing to this discussion, or you can request a 'for cost' copy of the book 1 paperback, either way via the web site contact page. We'd love to hear from you on our blog comments too.<br />
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[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (342) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Maybe new civilization is too big of a word. Picture a live where you work model, in any way shape or form, full of people dedicating their time to making progress. It doesn't have to be huge, and it doesn't have to be in one place.<br />
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When I first heard of occupy they were living on the street. How hard would it be to do something like the rolling jubilee just to make an intentional community sustainable enough to support people while they stay focused.<br />
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Like a people funded workforce, stretched further by sustainable practices.<br />
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[-] 1 points by NineInchBride (6) 2 weeks ago<br />
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[-] 1 points by bullfrogma (342) 2 weeks ago<br />
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I agree. But if the movement is really being led by espionage then things that should happen aren't going to. Not unless we can escalate good ideas enough to flow into a wide range. I'm on the west coast, but I've been gang-stalked for years now, ever since putting up my website. I have to keep some distance.<br />
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[-] 2 points by AlainaDeguire (2) from WESTLAKE, OR 2 weeks ago<br />
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Appealing. Yet, in my mind premature. I am sure putting us all in one place would be a small slice of heaven for the capitalist regime. I can hear them lock and load as I type this. We have many battles ahead to reach the point nationally, globally, where we can be so unified, so strong that, try as they might, they won't be able to turn the tide. Stay strong comrades.<br />
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[-] 2 points by NineInchBride (6) 2 weeks ago<br />
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All Of Us or none, but you're finally on the right track! Why stop with $1 billion? Why stop with escapism for a few?<br />
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~Capitalism, I think, could be voted out of existence for the price of one resource war, a few hundred billion at the going rate, a notion seemingly beyond the Bigs’ collective imagination.~ Sa @NineInchBride<br />
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[-] 4 points by WhyteHorse (11) 2 weeks ago<br />
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If it's crowdfunded it COULD be all of us and go beyond $1billion. It's easy to dismiss this idea as escapism. People dismiss earth-ships as "piles of rubble", medical marijuana as "for people who just want to get high", and anybody who wants to have a better life as "seeking to escape".<br />
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[-] 4 points by Renneye (3127) 2 weeks ago<br />
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You're right. We'd likely suffer being labelled and ridiculed...but that's every revolution.<br />
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So, in fact, yes...we can expect it. It will start right here on this thread. Ideas like this scare the heck out of the establishment.<br />
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Be prepared for this thread to be sabotaged heavily. We have to stay the course and have confidence in our endeavor.<br />
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[-] 3 points by chakana (7) 2 weeks ago<br />
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New Yorkers are already leaving in droves to "start" over, deciding that having slightly bigger bagels isn't worth all the hassle. I love NY, but this is as funny as all hell.<br />
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http://www.theonion.com/search/?q=8.4+million+New+Yorkers+leave<br />
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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32758) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 weeks ago<br />
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I take it that you're not impressed? {:-])<br />
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[-] 1 points by ZenDog (20333) from South Burlington, VT 2 weeks ago<br />
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It is an interesting idea - and then I think of Jamestown, the Branch Davidians, Charlie Manson and Heaven's Gate . . . .<br />
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[-] 1 points by grapes (2588) 2 weeks ago<br />
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The problem with these cults was that they had charismatic leaders who had persuaded their followers to reject the ways of the mainstream society and become increasingly isolated.<br />
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Avoiding the pitfall with charismatic leaders is to have either no leader or employ a decision mechanism instead. The experiment can probably be reasonably informative if a thousand people participate in it. It should be conducted close to the participants' present life-support areas, with no coercion to stay, and without any kind of informational isolation from their loved ones.<br />
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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20333) from South Burlington, VT 2 weeks ago<br />
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If you really want to TRY to understand the problem with these cults you will first need to sit down and read:<br />
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When Prophecy Fails, by Festinger et.al.<br />
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[-] 1 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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For once we agree, except that it's not an interesting idea. Starting a new commune is nothing new. People do it all the time. For this idea to be interesting it would have to come with some details on how this new commune would work, why we need it, how we would create it, where, etc.... For now, it's like a painter saying he has the idea to paint. Ok, so what? A lot of people have the idea to paint. Where are the details?<br />
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[-] 2 points by ZenDog (20333) from South Burlington, VT 2 weeks ago<br />
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so? we tend to agree on this particular point. So what.<br />
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YOu are still thrasymachus, right? The clown who bombed GF's inbox, then mine - the guy who posted gay porn pics and thus forced a tweak to the code that ended the ability to post images in comments. Right?<br />
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The clown with the NJPD sock puppet?<br />
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Why would I presume, after all of that, that you now actually agree with me? You are simply laying the groundwork for something. Perhaps I can save us both some time and trouble.<br />
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I'm not interested.<br />
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[-] -1 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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Lol, of course A+++! It's your idea, from Larry Page! Lol<br />
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I gave a reply below: http://occupywallst.org/article/wild-proposal-raise-1billion/#comment-1023105<br />
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[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (32758) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 weeks ago<br />
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EDIT - Is Idaho or Montana or someplace for sale? Gotta have a place to lay foundation then expand from there. With global warming - we will want area that is on high ground.<br />
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Though Washington state or Colorado might be better starting places - you know with legalized marijuana there is bio friendly all natural - plastics - clothing - building materials industries - friendly environment to begin with.<br />
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OWS let's do it. Where?<br />
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[-] 1 points by AnryAnarchist (1) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Isn't this what Jim Jones did in South America? Communes have always been used as a tool and have they worked? There are communes RIGHT NOW in EVERY state in the U.S. What are lifestyle politics doing to disrupt this system of oppression? Nothing. No leaving, stay and fight, because "an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere"-MLK<br />
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[-] 1 points by RFrances (1) 2 weeks ago<br />
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I think muffinsanddonuts makes a lot of sense. On and off-the-grid utopian driven societies have been around many centuries. Chapter 5 of Heilbroner's, The Worldly Philosophers, has a good overview.<br />
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Another approach for re-imagining governance is to consider what happens after a group like Occupy has breached the barricades and taken over the reins of a current government. How will the government budgets be changed? Will they be changed abruptly or will the current workers and contractors be given time to adjust?<br />
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What does the new tax system look like? Has the new system been thoroughly vetted for both administrative manageability as well as how equitable it raises taxes?<br />
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How soon will the existing management currently in charge of business infrastructure be changed? If some of the current managers have skills not easily duplicated by others, do they get a chance to continue working in the same capacity? Have issues like what belongs to the private sphere and what belongs to the public sphere been thoroughly considered and debated?<br />
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The questions are endless, obviously, since economics and politics is often more about the day-to-day details than some grandiose plan. Generally people are uneasy about significant changes in their lives happening all at once. If the new rulers (for example, Occupy or some offshoot) hope to have some consent from the governed, I'd suggest that it's best to pick 3-6 significant changes to be implemented and rally people behind those proposed changes. Give people a reason to support the movement "because the ideas are better."<br />
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[-] 2 points by bullfrogma (342) 2 weeks ago<br />
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I think a big problem is that anyone leading this movement could possibly have ulterior motives, such as espionage. A lot can be made to look productive when it actually isn't. We need a space that has the intention of putting these ideas together. Democracy is perverted without education and free speech. So what are our best ideas in regard to having a strategy, and maybe ask how come these occupy sites don't really facilitate an intention of that.<br />
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I think we need net neutrality, and something to fix our media. I also think that government funded community creations that attempt to relieve mass distribution would be extremely good.<br />
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[-] 1 points by 2walterpenny2 (6) 2 weeks ago<br />
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To Continue......Move On Washington D.C.........this coming Summer!<br />
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Our Financial System destroyed by Goldman-Sachs, A.I.G. & Standard & Poors plus Moodys and a hosts of others...in a global scam to defraud everyone they could... lasted as long as it did 2002-2008 through (actually the beginning know how was learned during the G.H.W. Bush Administration and multiplied 100 times) Criminal Negligence by Congress, the President G.W. Bush, the U.S. Attorney General(s) and the S.E.C., at the beginning headed by Aurthur Levitt, see Google and the Carlyle Group on this crook, as well as local and State Agencies. But it was the White House (Clinton) and Pelosi that signed the death to the Glass-Steagall Act...setting all of this in motion in 1999. Over the next decade Pelosi, the White House (Bush nor Obama) nor Congress have protected our financial system from eventual collapse.<br />
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Under a new law these leaders and their assets will be confiscated completely know matter where they are deposited, State side or offshore. Corporations involved in this as well will be liquidated, as well as their executive's holdings, board of directors and partners, all will be confiscated and sold off to pay back those they defrauded.<br />
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IF all of George HW Bush cronies got out before the crash or at least the ones in their inner circle...then there was enough information for everyone to know it was going to collapse, Pelosi's negligence is criminal for this simple fact, and the fact she signed and instructed fellow Democrats, as did Clinton, to sign the new act "the Financial Modernization Act. Then state in 2008 they didn't know the economy was going to fail! Sorry your cooked Pelosi. I have to say here if there is one bigger flake bigger than GW Bush its his buddy Nancy Pelosi....remember her statement "Impeaching Bush is off the table 2006" ........!<br />
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That failure in leadership is criminal..so Pelosi and the rest will be prosecuted as I have stated by the New Attorney General after this Summer Move On D.C. ....Chris Swecker.<br />
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The New Financial System will see the current National Debt...packaged as a 100 year Mortgage. Those that created it will start the payoff of it. George HW Bush & Family, their entire family assets will be confiscated, as will Bill & Hillary Clintons, and as stated Former and Present Goldman-Sachs executives Henry Paulson and Lloyd Blankfein. All will face a New Law "The Domestic Terrorism Act" holding individuals, corporations & their executives, board of directors and partners, government officials, completely responsible for their negligence and or actions.<br />
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From there, U.S. Taxation as we know it will change. "US Taxation No Longer Works" and has not worked since the mid 1970's. When a Major Power begins to lose control of its energy supply, Mid 1970s and fails in a major War it has engaged in for 10 years "The Vietnam War" it is no longer a major power completely, thus its economic system which includes its financial system must be changed and wasn't.<br />
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Because of the failures in leadership, Nixon, then Reagan, Reaganomics was a complete failure, Their failed financial system started to Debt Spend in a Peace Time Economy. Reagan spent $3.4 trillion (Debt Spending) and wasted 50% of it. Further failure by George H.W. Bush, saw the Country back in Recession in less than 10 years from the time Reagan Debt Spending started ( $3.4 Trillion ). Bad leadership, but even worse the Financial System kept failing Americans. Then the corruption of George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, Recessions 1988,89,90,91,and part of 92 < Sr. Bush and again 2007,08,09,10,11,12,13,14 < George W. Bush. ( I call him Bush Jr.)<br />
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Through all of this "They" those who have controlled our financial system since after World War II failed, failed in leadership, failed in safeguards, and we now find Ourselves stripped of just about everything, Our property values, Our savings and Retirement Funds, how many lost their businesses, (more than once over the last 30 yrs. because of the Bush Corruption and their failed financial system?) whipped out in Bush 88,89,90,91, again in bringing G.W. Bush to Power in the election of Nov. 2000, the deliberate destruction of the Tech Boom, lead by Goldman-Sachs Henry Paulson and Bill Gates. By the way Bill & Melinda Gates will lose everything. Personal, Business and their Foundation will be sold off to pay back those they ripped off. Microsoft will be broken up, as will Holding Companies such as G.E.<br />
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The New form of US Taxation will see the end of Personal as well as Corporate Taxation. Consumption Tax will take their place to a degree, but Taxation will never be able to cover what the Nation needs in the way of infrastructure, education, energy, city rebuilding, especially more than one million acres of Ghetto. With this comes Planned Growth through Business Development on all levels of the Economy, but that means every City, County and State..and the Federal Government and their agencies - spending will be thoroughly audited annually for correct planning, follow through, cronyism, and government corruption, including duplication, wages, benefits and retirement spending. Here the G.A.O. and the I.R.S. along with State and Local Agencies will switch to cover this need called "correct assessment", including private accounting firms, they will be "the independent assessment" (local accounting firms).<br />
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Global competition will not disappear... it will grow. The huge failure of the current corrupt financial system must come to an end, correctly! To safeguard our society, our children, our communities, our Nation...realistic forms of Government have to be put in place once the Corruption of the Current System is done away with this Summer.<br />
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Next: Foreign Workers, Green Cards, Work Visas, and Citizenship, all of it next time, Tomorrow, IT will all be in place and in working order in less than one year from Mover On D.C.....where by Bikers of America lead US to Our Capitalism and Our Democracy once again. Bet on it this will absolutely happen this coming Summer! The Country needs deal with this Now! "Where People are not included, correctly, they know it, so they spend and send their money-their wages else where! Its time to run Our Country correctly!...Its time to Move On D.C.<br />
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[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (21771) 2 weeks ago<br />
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So, I have thought about it. I think if that's your thing go- for it.<br />
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Don't look at me. Sounds like a nice and polite way of saying, "GTFO". Last time that I checked the Constitution is still the highest law in the land. It doesn't go away. But, if I am busy over there then I won't be in the way when they try to rewrite it and then they can just roll right over me wherever I may be. So, no. I'll be damned if I am given busy work to stay out of the way. My response is, "No, you GTFO."<br />
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[-] 0 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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My 2 cents on why this idea isn't good.<br />
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I know Larry Page of Google proposed the idea of creating a new country, and some OWS founders like Justine Tunney have picked up on this. On the surface it seems interesting, but when you dig a little deeper it is not.<br />
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First, the idea has no depth at all. People have started countries and communities since the beginning of time. We have nearly 300 countries in the world, all separated in states/provinces/prefectures. Then we already have communes like AuroVille in India and many others in the US and other countries. Nothing new here at all. It's like someone saying he has the idea to make a painting. OK, so what? The idea only could become interesting if there was a detailed plan on how it would be done, how the community/country would be run, etc... Some people like Jacques Fresco have spent their entire lives designing these types of ideas. I personally find that Jacques dabbles in Utopia, but I respect the fact that he brought a lot of details to his ideas. We would need that here.<br />
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Secondly, like the other ideas I have heard this year from OWS (A paid non-violent militia, the idea to turn our attention towards helping animals, working on stop smoking campaigns, etc...), this idea also seems to go outside of what OWS is all about. Like I said above, we already have all kinds of people around the world trying to create communes and other types of communities. Just like we already have PETA and many other groups to take care of animals. OWS should stick to what makes it unique: The idea to go against capitalism by protesting and promoting anarchy. I don't see the point of doing something others are already doing, especially since we have something unique.<br />
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Thirdly, it seems like a copout. Sort of like saying - "We are unable to change society with OWS, so we'll go out in the woods and start our own." I find this extremely sad because it makes it seem like we are giving up.<br />
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Finally, isolating ourselves and creating a new community will not solve the world's problems. The environment is being raped, people are being crushed economically all around the world by capitalism, etc... We need to stay in the theatre of the real fight. This is not a time to run away and hide. The real world needs us. We need to change US and all the other countries if we want the planet to survive and if we want to help the poor. Even if we created a new isolated society, so what? Countries like US would still be pillaging the environment, making wars, and destroying everything with capitalism. The only difference would be that all the anarchists would have left to hide in their new society. There wouldn't even be any resistance anymore. No, we need to stick together and fight the system that's right in front of us.<br />
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OWS needs to go back to its bread and butter. It needs to go back to protesting. That's why many people joined in the first place. It will only hurt OWS to spread itself to all kinds of areas already covered by others.<br />
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[-] 1 points by WhyteHorse (11) 2 weeks ago<br />
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I couldn't disagree more. To call this a commune is really insulting. Every commune I've seen, including Auroville, began with a handful of people. A crowdfunded civilization is open to all. If 99% of people decide to join there would only be 1% left to rule themselves (and clean their toilets, hehe). So it's nothing at all like a retreat into the woods... it's more like exiting a casino and taking all the players home for a 100% payout game. It doesn't have to be isolated. The US won't have any soldiers if enough people quit their crappy military jobs to go live in a real civilization.<br />
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If it isn't obvious that "We are unable to change society with OWS" by now, then you need to re-evaluate the facts. The stuff you're doing is actually propping up the system you oppose. All the charity work you do lowers the cost to those at the top. Instead of the 1% paying taxes to feed the poor, they don't pay any taxes and OWS picks up the tab.<br />
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This idea is interesting to me because it works. The Zeitgeist movement has done extensive analyses showing just that. The US began this way as well. It's no big secret or novel idea. It just works and there comes a logical point in human history where it makes more sense for a society to fork from the old and begin anew.<br />
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[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5545) from St Louis, MO 2 weeks ago<br />
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What makes you think this is Larry Page's idea? It's signed "JS."<br />
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[-] 0 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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For your reading pleasure:<br />
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/15/4334356/larry-page-wants-to-set-aside-a-part-of-the-world-for-experimentation<br />
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https://twitter.com/JustineTunney/status/433751276325986304<br />
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https://twitter.com/JustineTunney/status/433749538613239808<br />
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https://twitter.com/JustineTunney/status/433696671902736384<br />
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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 weeks ago<br />
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You have been blocked from following this account at the request of the user.<br />
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I must be important<br />
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[-] -1 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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Nah, Occupy bans and blocks a lot of people. Nothing special at all.<br />
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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 weeks ago<br />
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does this mean I can't ask for my youtube account back ?<br />
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-da4RM6m0kc<br />
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[-] -2 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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That was 2 days ago. Then she posted it here today under JS, but it's from her. She's been getting a lot of heat this week, so she wanted to make it seem like the idea was from someone else.<br />
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OWS is kind of becoming an extension of Google I guess. Not that there's anything wrong with that.<br />
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[-] 2 points by WhyteHorse (11) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Justine didn't post it, Micah did after I emailed it to him. I stole the idea from "Manna" by Marshall Brain here http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm<br />
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I also stole it from Isaac Asimov's Foundation, "Walden" by Thoreau, Twin Oaks, East Wind, etcetera and so on and so forth.<br />
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[-] -3 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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Justine Tunney talked about it on her Twitter feed. Larry Page has been talking about creating a new country, and since then Jart has been posting about this idea on her Twitter account. She works at Google, so she got the idea there. She worships everything Google, which I find lame, but whatever it's not important.<br />
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But, who cares who's idea it is. It's nothing new. There are people doing communes all around the world as we speak. We already have plenty of communes. Why would OWS waste time to create another one? The problem is the world. We need to save the world, not to go hide in the woods. That's just an egotistical idea. It's saying we can't do it - save the world - so we'll go isolate ourselves and save ourselves. It's people who find it hard to work with others who want to go isolate themselves. No, we need to work with everyone, including the people who oppose us. The world is in grave danger. We need to save it, not just ourselves. Everyone needs to work together. We need to create the 99%. We haven't done that yet. People bicker and attack others, instead they should be doing the opposite. We should be trying to find common goals between people. Common goals do exist. Concentrate on what we all want, not the things that make us different.<br />
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[-] 1 points by gnomunny (5545) from St Louis, MO 2 weeks ago<br />
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Staying abreast of things on the Twitter front, I see. It's a whole different world over there compared to here, isn't it?<br />
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Initially I thought this was a good idea, but I have to admit, you make some good points. The biggest point is, regardless of how self-sufficient this new society may be, it can't escape climate change.<br />
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[-] 0 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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We have to realize that things can change.<br />
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A hundred years ago is was respectable to have slaves, now being racist is extremely frowned upon. Look at the situation with gays. In only a few decades they have become more and more accepted in society.<br />
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The same thing can happen with Occupy views. As it becomes more and more obvious that capitalism destroys the planet and makes the rich richer and the poor poorer, the views of OWS will become more and more respected.<br />
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That's why we can't go into hiding. We have to keep the discourse alive. We shouldn't worry about an us vs them conspiracy type scenario either. Sure, we hear that the mass medias are against us and so on. But, let's not forget that the more occupiers we have, the more occupiers will be playing different roles in society. Some will grow up to work in these media firms. We'll spread all over the place. We just need to keep putting pressure on the system, and remain as visible as possible.<br />
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We need to keep the tensions going, not killing all tensions by going to hide together in a commune. Tensions with society I mean. We need patience. These ideas of becoming PETA, of creating a commune, etc... they all go against what Occupy should be focusing on. Seriously, we need to go back to the bread and butter. We just need to protest and make our voices heard, and to keep creating groups like the Rolling Jubilee. Results will come in time. Patience is key.<br />
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[-] 3 points by gnomunny (5545) from St Louis, MO 2 weeks ago<br />
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Consider this: not a commune that shuts itself off from the world, but a society, a laboratory if you will, where ideas could be worked out for the purpose of implementing them on the world at large. Such a thing might not be possible within the constraints of, say, the United States.<br />
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[-] -1 points by muffinsanddonuts (9) from Union City, NJ 2 weeks ago<br />
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Ya, OWS on other Internet mediums like reedit and Twitter is completely different than here. That's because on those feeds you get the opinions of real Occupiers. Also, it's harder to ban those who don't always agree, so you get a bigger variety of ideas.<br />
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If just think communes have already been tried. I care about OWS because I want my world to be better. I want to help the planet by creating a new system that is responsible for the environment, for animals, for people. A fair system. I'm not interested in moving the problems inside a commune. That's too limited for OWS in my opinion. We already have international recognition. A commune is the complete opposite of occupying a space like Zuccotti in the middle of NYC. That was making a mark. Making sure the whole world could see us. It was creating a discourse between people in the world. We wanted change! By going to a commune, then we kill the discourse. Then it's just us creating a small isolate world in the woods. It is essentially running away from problems instead of trying to deal with them.<br />
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[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 weeks ago<br />
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so those e mail numbers were just numbers ?<br />
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[-] 0 points by ZenDog (20333) from South Burlington, VT 2 weeks ago<br />
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at $1000 it is a far better deal than superbowl tickets - and far more entertaining.<br />
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[-] -1 points by 2walterpenny2 (6) 2 weeks ago<br />
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Join the Move On D.C........... The Federal Reserve has been passing out money and more money in the shape of buying bonds, etc., etc.....its done nothing but produce a GDP said to be Good...but the facts are the US Financial System has been corrupted by The Bush Element, Goldman-Sachs, Financial Fraud Scams, Junk Bonds, Failed-Needless Wars and a Military that is completely out of control for so long that it is absolutely Bankrupt...if it remains in their hands under their system of corruption for much longer it collapses, its nothing more than a house of cards just waiting to collapse. If the Financial System isn't changed completely and soon that will be that.....they will have everything and US the American People will have Nothing! So this coming Summer we are "Moving on D.C." to take it back. To change the current Financial System from their crap, fraud and corruption...to again American Small Businesses, local and regional banks and a Wall Street under control for the betterment of the Companies people buy stock in. But first Wall Street will be closed for 90 days...after that period, there will no longer be Day Trading, or the Speed of Light Trades...purchasers of Stock will be required to hold their stock for 18 months....for the next 2 years then maybe be allowed to return to daily trades. Anytime a market closes at a low of 2% it will remain closed for 10 days. We will take the gambling out of the Market or close it for good. We will demand Obama, Holder and Pelosi resign, step down...their corruption the criminal negligence, their criminal obstruction and racketeering with regards to Wall Street Corruption, Goldman-Sachs to the racketeering via money laundering by HSBC will come to and end. Executives from these Companies will be prosecuted under a New Law: Domestic Terrorism Act, retro-back 30 plus years, to cover deliberate fraud by Bush Cronies. They all will be prosecuted. National Banks all of them will be taken over and broken up into State, Regional & Local Banks only. Got to go for now! One last item retailing will change as well: Walmart will agree to become a distributor of goods to small retailers and end being a retailer altogether. Think On That.........so capitalism is returning to the many not the few...by Moving on DC this Summer. Join the Bikers of America...3.3million strong Moving on D.C.<br />
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==== Related pages ====<br />
[[Freedom Paradigm]] at https://sudoroom.org/wiki/Freedom_Paradigm<br />
Their website, http://occupywallst.org/, was made with https://github.com/jart/occupywallst includes a nice comment interface.<br />
My user here on wiki is [[User:EM_Che]]<br />
I want to dedicate some time to helping Occupy Wall Street New York, and perhaps other places too, Oakland? With their move-in to be away from capitalism peacefully without police.</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Sudoroom/love_the_new_design/reply_(3)&diff=7509Thread:Talk:Sudoroom/love the new design/reply (3)2014-03-02T02:44:49Z<p>EM Che: Reply to love the new design</p>
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<div>Thanks for the change, whoever. It's sweet. Making everything free with wikis, go.<br />
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http://sudoroom.org/wiki/user:EM_Che I think<br />
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even, http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Rocket_stove still my baby</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Sudoroom/Brief_Description/reply&diff=7508Thread:Talk:Sudoroom/Brief Description/reply2014-03-02T02:41:37Z<p>EM Che: Reply to Brief Description</p>
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<div>I like that one! That was the one I was looking for :)<br />
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can someone put the definition of hacking that we use on here so, people don't get lulz-blackbagged for de lulzbankaccounts oldworldparadigm bull-shit?</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:User_talk:Juul/What%27s_up%3F&diff=7330Thread:User talk:Juul/What's up?2014-02-18T23:28:14Z<p>EM Che: New thread: What's up?</p>
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<div>Hey Juul, what's up with you? How's it going and greetings from OH</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Sudoroom/love_the_new_design/reply_(2)&diff=7329Thread:Talk:Sudoroom/love the new design/reply (2)2014-02-18T23:26:05Z<p>EM Che: Reply to love the new design</p>
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<div>Maybe someone knows how to add the "Recent Changes," as that would be the way that a good wiki community is formed? <br />
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Also. that same someone please, changeth ye background, fuck the sun metaphors need something more hackable. thx ec</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Talk:Art_of_Bookbinding&diff=7328Talk:Art of Bookbinding2014-02-18T23:24:17Z<p>EM Che: Talk page autocreated when first thread was posted</p>
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<div></div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Art_of_Bookbinding/Where_is_ze_hacker_passport%3F&diff=7327Thread:Talk:Art of Bookbinding/Where is ze hacker passport?2014-02-18T23:24:17Z<p>EM Che: New thread: Where is ze hacker passport?</p>
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<div>Oy! Where is ze hackerspace passport I remember seeing it????</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sleeping&diff=7301Sleeping2014-02-15T17:55:08Z<p>EM Che: [EC]</p>
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<div>This page exists to document the domestic use of space and assets available to sudo room.<br />
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Confronting sleepers in accordance with the obligations of the lease at 2141:<br />
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* 2/14/2014<br />
** Two folks locked themselves in public school. Matt, Jenny, Luis, and Marc confronted them, they packed their things, and were escorted out.<br />
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There is a spot to occupy properly at San Pablo and 20th, little nook on the back side of parking lot, Snow park, near the West Oakland bart station, or others around the East Bay.</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Rocket_stove&diff=6287Rocket stove2013-12-04T22:06:00Z<p>EM Che: Moving this here. ~~ Che</p>
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<div>==Rocket Stove==<br />
[[File:Rocket Stove.jpg|thumb|Rocket stove in action in Oakland. by [[User:EM_Che]]]]<br />
The sticks burn at the end, so you feed in more as you go. Using this method I was able to bring water to a boil very quickly. A skillet, saucepan, and coffee percolator provide your camp environment. <br />
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* Made using found materials.<br />
* Design encourages accessibility to those without capital or experience.<br />
* Construction skills involve bending metal and cutting metal, without welding.<br />
* All materials are found on the street, total cost zero.<br />
* Replicability tested. After loss, was rebuilt in a day and made at [[Noisebridge|https://www.noisebridge.net/]]<br />
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You will need:<br />
* 1 large coffee can, paint can, or industrial-size fruit can.<br />
* 1 regular size soup can<br />
* small piece of metal, for the fuel shelf.<br />
* large piece of metal, or interior can with less diameter than the outer canister.<br />
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Tools:<br />
Necessary tools: <br />
* vice grips or pliers to grab and bend metal (for bending [[metal|metal experiments]]), <br />
* something sharp: scissors, garden shears, knife, or pliers.<br />
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Steps:<br />
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1. Cut the bottom off of the soup can. You might use a can opener even, so long as you get the bottom off so that it is a hollow tube.<br />
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2. Cut an equal-sized hole in the bottom side of the large tin can. When busted open, this should fit the soup can inside it. [[File:Rocket Stove in Progress.jpg|thumb|Coffee can, small-size tin can: these are the basic materials for the rocket stove hack.]]<br />
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3. The fuel shelf is always the easiest for me to find. This is a narrow piece of metal which can usually be wedged into the soup can. <br />
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4. Insert the fuel shelf into the soup can. If needed, glue this in place.<br />
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5. The inner chamber can be made with a smaller can or an untreated piece of flat metal that's as wide as the coffee can is tall, and as long as you want. This piece of metal is bent into a small circle, which lets air vent directly upwards without any interfering wavelengths. It remains to be seen if the stove could still be effective without the inner chamber division.<br />
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6. Line up paper, and rest sticks on the tray. You are ready for ignition.<br />
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7. Spark the paper and the blaze will light the sticks. Because of the air intake, the fire can burn for a long time!<br />
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Use directions: <br />
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The Rocket Stove will burn cleanly for an extended period of time with only minimal twigs for fuel. The combustion is at the end of the sticks only, or the center of the chamber. Air enters from below the fuel intake rack, and is heated up and rises straight up to the bottom of the pot. <br />
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If you want to cook or boil water on the rocket stove, you will need to find a grate or screen to put over the top of the stove, and the diameter of your cooking pot must be less than the diameter of the stove. A pot skirt may be added, with a wider tube, in order to also heat the side of the pot. Generally, the more sticks you put in, the hotter. Try it!<br />
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Crunch, hack... Good luck!<br />
Wikimedia Commons Picture: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_Stove_Finished.jpg]<br />
[[Metal Experiments]]</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Alternatives_to_capitalism/Alternatives_to_Capitalism_(2)&diff=5506Thread:Talk:Alternatives to capitalism/Alternatives to Capitalism (2)2013-08-30T07:55:21Z<p>EM Che: New thread: Alternatives to Capitalism</p>
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<div>Looks like this article needs some work. Does anyone have some directions on it? Who made it?<br />
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We might check out and add in here:<br />
- Rainbow family<br />
- Native ways of original peoples<br />
- Occupy?<br />
- Other traditional forms of economics eg.<br />
communism, socialism, marxism, social business?<br />
- also maybe sharecropping? slavery? we have to remember race is one of the lies this country was founded on.</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Talk:Alternatives_to_capitalism&diff=5505Talk:Alternatives to capitalism2013-08-30T07:55:16Z<p>EM Che: Talk page autocreated when first thread was posted</p>
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<div></div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Thread:Talk:Alternatives_to_capitalism/Alternatives_to_Capitalism&diff=5504Thread:Talk:Alternatives to capitalism/Alternatives to Capitalism2013-08-30T07:55:16Z<p>EM Che: New thread: Alternatives to Capitalism</p>
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<div>Looks like this article needs some work. Does anyone have some directions on it? Who made it?<br />
<br />
<br />
We might check out and add in here:<br />
- Rainbow family<br />
- Native ways of original peoples<br />
- Occupy?<br />
- Other traditional forms of economics eg.<br />
communism, socialism, marxism, social business?<br />
- also maybe sharecropping? slavery? we have to remember race is one of the lies this country was founded on.</div>EM Chehttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Art_and_Revolution&diff=5503Art and Revolution2013-08-30T06:54:15Z<p>EM Che: /* Related Links: */</p>
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<div>==Rocket Stove==<br />
[[File:Rocket Stove.jpg|thumb|Rocket stove in action in Oakland. by [[User:EM_Che]]]]<br />
The sticks burn at the end, so you feed in more as you go. Using this method I was able to bring water to a boil very quickly. A skillet, saucepan, and coffee percolator provide your camp environment. <br />
<br />
* Made using found materials.<br />
* Design encourages accessibility to those without capital or experience.<br />
* Construction skills involve bending metal and cutting metal, without welding.<br />
* All materials are found on the street, total cost zero.<br />
* Replicability tested. After loss, was rebuilt in a day and made at [[Noisebridge|https://www.noisebridge.net/]]<br />
<br />
You will need:<br />
* 1 large coffee can, paint can, or industrial-size fruit can.<br />
* 1 regular size soup can<br />
* small piece of metal, for the fuel shelf.<br />
* large piece of metal, or interior can with less diameter than the outer canister.<br />
<br />
Tools:<br />
Necessary tools: <br />
* vice grips or pliers to grab and bend metal (for bending [[metal|metal experiments]]), <br />
* something sharp: scissors, garden shears, knife, or pliers.<br />
<br />
Steps:<br />
<br />
1. Cut the bottom off of the soup can. You might use a can opener even, so long as you get the bottom off so that it is a hollow tube.<br />
<br />
2. Cut an equal-sized hole in the bottom side of the large tin can. When busted open, this should fit the soup can inside it. [[File:Rocket Stove in Progress.jpg|thumb|Coffee can, small-size tin can: these are the basic materials for the rocket stove hack.]]<br />
<br />
3. The fuel shelf is always the easiest for me to find. This is a narrow piece of metal which can usually be wedged into the soup can. <br />
<br />
4. Insert the fuel shelf into the soup can. If needed, glue this in place.<br />
<br />
5. The inner chamber can be made with a smaller can or an untreated piece of flat metal that's as wide as the coffee can is tall, and as long as you want. This piece of metal is bent into a small circle, which lets air vent directly upwards without any interfering wavelengths. It remains to be seen if the stove could still be effective without the inner chamber division.<br />
<br />
6. Line up paper, and rest sticks on the tray. You are ready for ignition.<br />
<br />
7. Spark the paper and the blaze will light the sticks. Because of the air intake, the fire can burn for a long time!<br />
<br />
Use directions: <br />
<br />
The Rocket Stove will burn cleanly for an extended period of time with only minimal twigs for fuel. The combustion is at the end of the sticks only, or the center of the chamber. Air enters from below the fuel intake rack, and is heated up and rises straight up to the bottom of the pot. <br />
<br />
If you want to cook or boil water on the rocket stove, you will need to find a grate or screen to put over the top of the stove, and the diameter of your cooking pot must be less than the diameter of the stove. A pot skirt may be added, with a wider tube, in order to also heat the side of the pot. Generally, the more sticks you put in, the hotter. Try it!<br />
<br />
Crunch, hack... Good luck!<br />
Wikimedia Commons Picture: [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_Stove_Finished.jpg]<br />
[[Metal Experiments]]<br />
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== A Free Bag Design ==<br />
[[File:Noisebridge bag.jpg|thumb|Noisebridge bag]]<br />
This "Hacker Survival Kit" is packed with paints, needle and thread, deodorant, hemp, markers, magic cards, coffee powder, and anything else necessary for a prolonged stay in the City or Woods. In both rural and urban areas, as well as in hiking and [[art]], repurposing fabric material in this way has made a resilient and useful sized bag. From San Francisco's own Noisebridge...<br />
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== Time as Art ==<br />
http://lawoftime.org/images/hopi.jpg<br />
Time is the move from the third dimension to the fourth dimension. What if we changed to a thirteen-month, 28-day calendar? This creates a perfect 13 Moons of 28 days harmonic timespace matrix. Each day is one of 20 "days" which repeats every three weeks. Furthermore, each day has a tone associated with it, which repeats on thirteen. Altogether, the alternative time system adds up to 364 days, with a "Day Out of Time" on 7/25/2014. <br />
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If we raise our consciousnesses to this time frame, the potential for a lot of beautiful things to happen emerges. With less stress on the artificial linear construct, we can align energies and co-create. Patience and art and beauty and synchronicity come as the necessary manifestations. Time as Art allows for people to live energetically and cyclically: Time is the Frequency of Synchronicity! <br />
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The thirteen moon galactic Synchronometer is available for free at http://lawoftime.org/freecalendar<br />
A forum on Time as Art is available at NooSphereForum- http://NooSphereForum.org<br />
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== Sustainability as Art ==<br />
Art of the Future builds on communal land and keeps the ship going, makes everything free and super sustainable. What is sustainable?<br />
This is cosmic, revolutionary, future, news!<br />
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{{#ev:vimeo|32219043|500}}<br />
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http://player.vimeo.com/video/32219043<br />
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With thanks to https://sudoroom.org/wiki/User:Juul [[User:Juul]] on the video embed plugin!<br />
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== Related Links: == <br />
[[Art of Bookbinding]] : a Sudo Room original and interest working group, the art books are extremely useful in a changing world. Oh yes, get your material for free!<br />
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[[Art]] : is love, is very free, is expression, is drawings...<br />
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[[Alchemy]]</div>EM Che