https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Jerkey&feedformat=atomSudo Room - User contributions [en]2024-03-19T13:49:45ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.37.2https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=VOIP_phones&diff=12416VOIP phones2024-03-03T02:45:42Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
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<div>== voip phones on the network ==<br />
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"I HACK AT 386" http://100.64.66.28/admin/advanced<br />
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== historical info for unknown things ==<br />
admin<br />
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http://innomedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MTA-6328-2Re-DS.pdf<br />
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when you plug into its LAN port it gives you dhcp, you can go to http://192.168.251.1/Voice_adminPage.htm<br />
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http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22145431-Unlock-I-think-I-bricked-my-Innomedia-MTA6328-2Re<br />
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# Disconnect to WAN ( no internet).<br />
# Connect the gizmo via WAN to computer and login to it using user id<br />
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#:| [[User:jake|jake]] d press enter to Restore factory default<br />
#:»192.168.1.xx/restore2.ssi<br />
# power cycle the gizmo and login to admin link with factory default password.<br />
#:»192.168.1.xx/Voice_adminPage.htm<br />
#:id=admin, pass=slapshot (for V3.0.77, V3.0.75)<br />
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# Change username and password!</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monoprice_Select_Mini_V2&diff=12415Monoprice Select Mini V22024-02-29T23:40:28Z<p>Jerkey: Created page with "The small 3D printer on the main tables is hard to name. According to Simon: "I tried Prusa Slicer at first but then I found out that Cura has settings for the printer built in so I switched to that. In Cura the printer is called Monoprice Select Mini V2""</p>
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==Status==<br />
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The printer is currently working! (Sep 12th 2023)<br />
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This printer may be an X1 not an X2. Jake bought a new nozzle kit for it and it's been installed by Tim and is working great.<br />
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==Documentation==<br />
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* [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v6zD_tNimuFW9hzdjIqT0PWFV7KnYiRG/view printer manual]<br />
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<div>= Attendees =<br />
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* carl - hi i'm carl (remotely)<br />
* andrew w - i'm here, remotely<br />
* E - i'm here remotely, at work so please don't hold votes while i'm not present, or text me if there are votes so i can participate<br />
* yar - she/her, i wanted to be there in person but i had a covid exposure so i'm isolating for the next few days<br />
* alex - i'm alex, i'm the delegate<br />
* trevor - i'm trevor<br />
* paige [notetaker] - former delegate<br />
* jake [notetaker] - former delegate<br />
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== pre-meeting unstructured convo ==<br />
* andrew - why did eric stop being delegate?<br />
* paige - both eric and i stepped down as delegates because people objected, wanted someone with more overall approval and Alex stepped up<br />
* andrew - i was wondering if it was sudoroom people or omni people objecting<br />
* eric - Jamal objected to working with Omni Commons if i was delegate, and there was a meeting with a lot of bullying but hopefully Alex can move things forward<br />
* yar - i'm very happy that Alex is the delegate<br />
* alex - also we have a need for a new secretary<br />
* jake - i nominate Sierk for secretary<br />
* paige - and treasurer<br />
* jake - i nominate Taylor. Both of these people have expressed willingness to fill those roles<br />
* alex - the thing about the ED, is that an agenda item?<br />
* paige - it doesn't need to be an agenda item but i was talking with Pallavi, who mentioned being interested in doing an ED role at a much more, better fit, discussion item tomorrow.<br />
* andrew - are we talking about an ED for sudoroom or Omni Commons?<br />
* paige - for Omni. The need came up because of Jamal offered, but the Omni needs someone, so things don't fall through the cracks, there was talk before about having an Operations Coordinator? <br />
* alex - the role would be described as someone who carries out the will of the delegates, working full time to keep the ball rolling. At least that was the idea before?<br />
* yar - operations coordinator discussion was 2 years ago<br />
* alex - i have a question i'd like to ask up front about my function. Basically, what is the precedent for when there's a block in sudoroom, does that imply a block in the delegates committee?<br />
* yar: precedent has been - sr has worked hard to resolve blocks. usually a block from a member of a collective would manifest as blocking for a couple meetings, but then they would propose amendments to the proposal, or work out any issues they had with people <br />
* andrew - i dont understand concept of block, is that a veto?<br />
* alex - the process until now, is that if someone has a block, aka a veto, the group works to resolve it to figure out some other siolution and offer that instead, so there's some affirmative action. Unfortunately we've had meetings lately with a lot of contention and ended up with gridlock. But the idea behind consensus is that we're going to try to reach a mutually agreeable decision<br />
* andrew - can we go to majority rule or is it cast in stone?<br />
* alex - we can do whatever we want but this is how things are right now<br />
* andrew - right now nothing is getting done, but needs to be.<br />
* jake - i disagree with that narrative, that we need to change the system. that comes up from people who arent getting their things done. disagreement about what to do, and we need more time to do those things. those who want to do their things want to change rules in<br />
* alex - dont impute that, say reason why you think<br />
* jake - concept of we have a problem and need to change system, things being done constantly. even the foreclosure, if we were to sit on our hands, 3 months. trying to come up with alternate solutions, timescale slower than what people might suggest<br />
* andrew - are we in foreclosure now?<br />
* jake - we're in default, which means they could start foreclosure process, but no notice yet<br />
* andrew - hearing some prospect of money showing up<br />
* jake - yes several prospects<br />
* alex - do you have a particular thing in mind of not being done?<br />
* andrew - read last meeting minutes, seemed like no decisions made. dont know if its even possible with constraints<br />
* alex - last 2 meetings, PP membership and ED<br />
* yar - as much as our system isnt the best, the people i disagree with the most, i believe they also want to save the building and are trying their best to find options to save it ,it seems like we're all on the same page. everything still on table, 5 or 6 options for omni at the moment. if we got foreclosure notice tomorrow, we could pursue any of those options and the building could be saved<br />
* alex - could we talk about that?<br />
* yar - we can, would be a review for a lot of people in this meeting. big questions are just like, what do we do and how do we do it. i think a lot of the options are compatible with each other. as frustrated as ive been with consensus process how its been happening, in sr in particular, still holding out that we will listen and understand one another, find common ground<br />
* andrew - everyone else knows these options?<br />
* alex - none of them are quite concrete, but i can enumerate. PP option, partnership with them, say they have money and can pay off loan. they would want part of building in return. COM proposal, philip bell would be doing something similar. LLC raising money to use to get event space<br />
* jake - they are working with CAST. CAST also connected through Peter. Need a more specific proposal from then<br />
* alex - third option, partnering with a land trust in some way. CAST is one name, they have visited the space. <br />
* yar - SFCLT also an option. another option would be lenders through an LLC<br />
* alex - we would get loans from people through that LLC<br />
* paige - short term solution<br />
* andrew - is that realistic?<br />
* jake - realistic because building is valuable, and ballroom has a lot of earning power. <br />
* andrew - whats the best option<br />
* alex - people have different opinions<br />
* yar - sounds like you are following sudo discuss mailing list. not where these discussions usually happen - happen in omni mailing lists and slack. just because you havent seen these options, please trust that people are talking about this everyday<br />
* jake - you dont just have to trust, you can join the consensus mailing list<br />
* carl - do you have update on LLC jake?<br />
* jake - funder distracting me from LLC option, because they could support the loan in full. working to draw up an offer. as far as llc on its own, i havent been pursuing people, because it seems like the land trust.. everything ive heard about CAST, question is just of "how" are they funding us<br />
* alex - i think you should be full steam on LLC. nows not the time to back off. do you need help?<br />
* yar: agreed the LLC is important to work on. omni has issues with conflict etc but IMO these will be easier to resolve if we have more certainty about the future, which LLC would provide<br />
* jake - yes<br />
* alex - we should try to get volunteers together<br />
* jake - also 2k to lawyer to draft agreement. dont need to do this until later. if people trying to decide something by next week, then should get on it<br />
* alex - does starting llc preclude any of these options<br />
* yar - absolutely not, just buys us more time<br />
* alex - even without legal stuff, getting pledge and finding out what they want in term would be great<br />
* jake - ive told you everything i can tell you. hopefully something agreeable. <br />
* alex - im talking about the LLC <br />
* yar - the more people, the better<br />
* jake - i feel pressure by timeframe people are saying right now. getting 20 or so people to fund this will take long<br />
* yar - i dont mean to pressure you, im trying to encourage you. please dont take it as pressure<br />
* andrew - <br />
* alex - when they come with a proposal, we'll take it back to collectives, and judge it. cant say we will agree to it ahead of time. <br />
* andrew - what if they say i.e. they will do ballroom<br />
* alex - consensus probably for selling out part of the building. also open to 5 or so year loan. hasnt discussed governance changes yet .<br />
* andrew - i dont think anyone will <br />
* alex - theyd make interest <br />
* andrew - but balloon payment<br />
* paige - this would also be a balloon payment<br />
* jake - someone was telling me there is an interest only loan. i though exploitaive. said "well welcome to pay more, pay principle". how capitalism works<br />
* yar - someone is handling the things you are talking about andrew<br />
* jake - why do you object<br />
* yar - holding up the meeting<br />
* jake - ok lets go to other agenda items and come back<br />
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* andrew - can we get a list of proposals<br />
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* Peoples Programs would pay off loan and then own a portion of the building<br />
* City In Motion would partner with a lender like CAST<br />
* LLC of co-lenders give Omni a new lender<br />
* a land trust taking ownership of the property<br />
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== report back on misssey ==<br />
* paige - the executive director and our contact from Misssey came to have a tour. The nature of the work they do requires them to have good control of who comes in and out of the building, and the ED told them "this is the omni commons, i'm not gonna change that" but it could work for ... the nature of a very open community center sharing building with hq for people working with at-risk youth due to sexual exploitation didn't seem like a good fit, but it was a nice discussion, they like our radical politics but don't know how to make it work but, it was just reminiscent of what David K was talking about: people who are interested in buildings, they don't want all of our drama and history in the space, we need to have a plan for how do we imagine working together with interested parties<br />
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== a vote on Peoples Programs proposal tomorrow ==<br />
* yar - except PP who have conflict resolution skills, and are willing to engage with omni as-is despite the drama and history, because of their investment in the longevity of the space<br />
* jake - they cant even address conflicts we've had or take down their own retweet of the [former member collective] attack against us<br />
* trevor - I thought that there was like a doxxing issue too, which makes things more complicated<br />
* yar [in notes]: PP never doxxed anybody, that was [former member collective]<br />
* paige - PP is willing, we just have to do work to set up <br />
* carl - does misssey want to be a collective<br />
* paige - no they are looking to buy a building. <br />
* yar - back to PP. somebody said PP had doxxing issue, that was not them, that was [former member collective]. PP didnt dox anyone. At the last meeting, yemi said they were open to taking it down<br />
* jake - they shouldnt have done it in the first place<br />
* yar - we should have discussion<br />
* jake - have said no before, forget it not going to happen<br />
* "Solidarity with [former member collective]!" https://twitter.com/ppls_programs/status/1710071892688916635<br />
* jnny [in notes]: had breakfast with two longtime political black comrades of Omni last week. They said PP and CLP are virtually the same modality of black nationalist propaganda and coercion. Heard of The Holdout and Qilombo?<br />
** just invited one of them to weigh in if they feel up to it - probably later on as they're currently driving home from work<br />
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* carl - like jake said, they were told about it in december, and that was something they should have immediately taken down. If they haven't done so, it's really irresponsible. It's really not ok that they haven't taken it down.<br />
* alex - discussion we are having right now is about PP becoming a member collective, separate from purchasing building. separate but related. they asked to become a member collective, i say as a gesture but yar disagrees, to begin our relationship together. my understanding is if they purchase part of building, they will need to cease becoming a member. could be permanent. lot of discussion about why they are doing this, pros and cons. other thing you should be aware of, is CCL will block, so SR potentially has the deciding vote. given consensus - 1. yemi showed up at meeting, gave outline of political program, how group works. a lot of that is in the notes so if youre interested you can look there. im skeptical of member collective because creates a conflict of interest. they said they will recuse themselves, but makes discussions a little awkward. also group seems to have different values from some groups here. SR and CCL have open source / open dedication. PP have more closed meetings. <br />
* andrew - are they the ones standing up for iranian regime<br />
* alex - thats a separate org, there is some overlap<br />
* jake - PP supports iranian regime, also support putin liberating ukraine from nazi regime. iranian regime article written by [former member collective] is on PP's medium. also conflict, two people in charge, one of them had a conflict at omni. attacking someone criticizing the iranian regime. yar has said they are doing mediation, but nobody denies that happened. to say PP is not on same page as [former member collective] isnt true<br />
* alex - can someone else say something about what jake is bringing up?<br />
* yar - people said different things. person who had picture taken didnt hear anything, but did note taking the picture. talk with picture taken, virtue signal that pro muslim, that iran is pro muslim. i do not agree, even people i march next to, do not agree with those support iranian regime. but a lot of people do. something we must contend with on the left. i personally willing to meet those people. im talking about specific people, working with these people in oakland We're not meeting with the ayatollahs, we're meeting with Abbas Muntaquim<br />
* (discussion about PP being run by Abbas and another person as the "chairs")<br />
* jake - but we would be selling building to them not the people of Peoples Programs<br />
* yar im pretty sure... - right now we are talking about member collective<br />
* andrew - seemed like, when i read the bylaws. article one, wont be involved with any oppressive ideologies. getting in bed with these guys. not q of whether left can cooperated with muslims. antithetical to core principle everyone agreed to in the outset. cant believe we are even considering this<br />
* carl - i dont have much to say about political stance, but ask about member of omni. havent seen their latest proposal. is there... what are they offering? rent? or planning on space here or not? what are they going to be doing here.<br />
* yar - they would like to have space in the building but they were hoping to spend more time in the building to figure out what space works for them, but in the meantime they still want to help save the building<br />
* carl - but are they going to pay rent like the other collectives?<br />
* yar - for a space they would pay rent, but they just want to<br />
* andrew - so we let anyone be a collective<br />
* yar - if we approve them. right now we have 2 collectives who dont have a space in omni<br />
** we do?? who LL and sketchboard<br />
*** who still contribute $$ <br />
* carl - we shouldnt approve unless they have amount to pay in rent. what is the need of them being an official collective, instead of being informal collaborators. <br />
* alex - that was brought up in the meeting. asked if anything short of membership. patrik considered free rent in the ballroom. that didnt seem to go anywhere. next delegates meeting we are expecting to vote yes or no<br />
* jake - wanted to speak to request about becoming a member collective. people asking rightly about what they want. im pulling up original email. [reads email]. <br />
* alex - we followed up, needed more fleshing out. they felt last meeting was filling in gaps. they do want to use the space. they would start using space for several of their activities. clarified that their main concern is saving the building. i explained that the option of selling building is out, i think that was their main concern. more information than the email now<br />
* jake - i was reading that to give context to their original request. seems to not make sense, not trying to be part of omni. people were asking just now if precedent for groups not having any use, no rent, and the last one we had like that was [former member collective]. i just think that in this present time, and thing that CCL is not compatible with them because they believe their above board work with bioscience, not compatible working with group of their politics. also people like me in SR who dont think right to approve. counter to the idea of considering them as a business partner. "dont want anything just to be on board" doesnt make sense other than to influence us. <br />
* andrew - can we vote?<br />
* yar - i dont know where to start. 1st thing, we already have most of the member collectives have come out in enthusiastic support, because this is a group we want to work with, compatible in all the important ways, despite organizing different. this idea of - it seems extremely unlikely that people who want to block, that any of those people who approve a more serious deal with them. and that seems so clear to me as "adding them will create a conflict of interest." feels disingenuous, you know you wouldnt approve that either. im not trying to coerce you do that. i would rather accept member collective short of control of building. frankly dividing building up is less ideal than working together as a coalition. i see this first proposal as a clear first step, recognizing as common stakeholder in saving this building. as people whove grown up in the neighborhood, been here longer<br />
* alex - can you talk about specific people<br />
* yar - yes<br />
* yar - every time we talk about this, not able to finish idea. habit of men interrupting women here. things people say are inaccurate, dont have time. ask everyone - do you feel right to block, to veto those. I know CCL has made up mind, but just becasues they are on the wrong side doesnt mean you have to be<br />
** jnny [in notes]: ...wow.. i've asked a lot of people and feel 110% yes on the block. no CCL influence here.<br />
* carl - it seems we have multiple proposals that we're considering, and the other ones are not concerning peoples programs, so in ordder to actually reasonably consider these other proposals or if we went for one of these other proposals, i don't understand why peoples programs at this time is necessary, i think we should welcome interaction and get to know each other better, but as for having them or even any new collectives at this time, until we finalize this issue with our property. I do think they could have an influence on this process even if they dont have a vote on that particular deal, they could have an influence in other ways, <br />
* paige - they should have influence because this is their community and they've grown up here and should have a say in how the building is used. If we uphold our principles....<br />
* carl - but making them a collective gives them a vote and why them versus everyone else in the community?<br />
* aige - because we don't have any other black orgs that are interested in coming into the space right now<br />
* carl - it sounds like you're saying the communities that surround the omni, why not survey the neighbors?<br />
* paige - we could, do you want to work on that with me?<br />
* carl - i dont understand the argument that them in particular should have a vote in the omni<br />
* paige - because they're a ... i understand the awkwardness of when we're talking about what we want to do, and what happened with [former member collective] and not wanting a group to have two votes again... but i think the work they do could be helpful if we came to land trusts, this is one group that's able to pull in funds and energy and omni needs a lot more people and energy, we need that, this place is so massively underused, i come in and it's the same three people here<br />
* carl - i think we should do a freeze of any new collectives, so we can discuss what we're going to do, until we settle the building issue<br />
* paige - i mean they wouldn't have a vote on that, what are some votes that they would get a say on? Like hiring an ED, the power collectives have is through their block really<br />
* carl - that could be a problem<br />
* yar - yeah they might block new member collectives<br />
* carl - yeah like [former member collective] blocked TANC<br />
* paige - PP worked with TANC<br />
* yar - PP are partners with TANC in organizing against evictions, part of why TANC didn't join was because of the boycott by PP<br />
* alex - that was their worry<br />
* yar - something some people expressed. <br />
* alex - several people from tanc expressed joining omni would hurt relationship with PP?<br />
* yar - in november yes but i convinced them otherwise. <br />
* alex - leadership?<br />
* yar - people at general meeting. <br />
* yar - also something addressed at meeting, someone asked "why cant we just work together more to build more trust" its bizarre to me because that keeps happening. its really easy to get involved with PP. people who havent gotten involved stubbornly stuck believing inaccurate things about PP, having fuzzy nebulous objections to them. very clear dividing line to me. so many people have enthusiastically supported are people who know them. people whove join, or been part of cadre with them, people who have grown up and know PP<br />
* jake - tautology. "people who get along with PP are PP and we should stop objecting"<br />
* alex - i looked at [former member collective] approval meeting, that was voted by people who have worked with them. just the fact that people have worked with them in past doesnt mean it will work out with them as a member collective. 2nd you said nebulous, ive seen concrete. can you explain<br />
* yar - "why is it necessary" "why is required". question isnt thaat, its "is it a good idea". we've added collectives before, not because necessary, but so that we arent insular. we dont have enough collectives right now to run a community center. it can only help us to grow and add and recognize more stakeholders. and yea some people supported [former member collective]... <br />
* alex - not some, all<br />
* yar - we learned the hard way about them<br />
* jake - yar seems like you are organizing objections. like concern until we get building issue solidified. really forceful and ignoring people who are expressing concerns<br />
* yar - not ignoring, im disagreeing openly<br />
* jake - "no valid reasons to object"<br />
* yar - no never said that<br />
* jake - pointed out reasons to object are nebulous. other thing, learn lesson about the past, i sensed something was wrong with[former member collective] before when i was delegate. only info i had. told me i was <br />
* alex - only SR had objection, asked for 30 day probationary period, never happened. maybe a good idea going forward<br />
** +1<br />
* yar - it was 3 month not 30 day, no i dont think its a good idea. <br />
* andrew - can we vote<br />
* yar - ill probably quit SR if we block this<br />
** didn't you already quit?<br />
** yar: i never quit sudoroom i've been paying dues continually for years<br />
* jake - holdout kinda like omni. qilombo has common ideas with what PP says thyre about. video with qilombo talking about history. they lost the space. david and sarah had some stories. bad lesson, unfortunate how things went down. not going to take sides. i was chased out and roughed up, didnt know it had changed. wanted to show wasnt the place we thought it was. <br />
* jake - i forwarded email from my friend about CLP. i forwarded info about CLP to SR. im going to be asked to represent sudo room. 2022, not very attended meetings. couldnt figure out much info, said we should go slow. CCL was also hesitant, but we were both shut down as racist. inaccurate to say we didnt have hesitation.<br />
* paige: i don't like the system of sudoroom votes just being whoever shows up at the meeting<br />
* yar: especially when so many people have been driven away from them by racism and transmisogyny<br />
* andrew: i'm sure there's plenty of that [sarcastically]<br />
* yar: you think there's no racism and transmisogyny?<br />
* andrew: i haven't seen any<br />
* yar - what do you think about the statement solidarity<br />
* andrew - fuck the statement of solidarity, all i know is the bylaws say we won't align with repressive ideologies<br />
* yar - i would say denying racism and transmisogyny is a repressive ideology<br />
* andrew - i block, veto, peoples programs being part of omni in any way. you all can decide what you want to do with that.<br />
* jake - lets hear from everyone. On the question of how sudorooms delegate should represent the position of approve, abstain, or block the proposal of the peoples programs<br />
* carl amends "at this time"<br />
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== vote on peoples programs membership proposal ==<br />
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* On the question of how sudorooms delegate should represent the position of approve, abstain, or block the proposal of Peoples Programs becoming a member collective of Omni Commons at this time<br />
** approve - Angela (by having told Alex beforehand), Yar, Paige (i think it is rushed but for sake of vote approve)<br />
** abstain - Alex<br />
** block - Andrew W, Carl, Jenny, Trevor (applied for membership 2 weeks ago, has 3 endorsements and no blocks), Eric (this is too rushed for my comfort but would like to revisit after the mortgage crisis), Jake<br />
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* Jabari has joined the meeting<br />
* Jnny - Welcome Jabari, has been a part of Omni and Liberated Lens in particular for almost a decade now, and was recently chatting with him about CLP and PP and the Omni right now and thought he had some good insights to share <br />
* Jabari - im coming in late to party, but there's a definite power struggle going on with the omni, and allowing the PP to come in as a collective in the omni. And some of the rhetoric that theyve used in the past kind of conflicts with the ... of the omni , ever since i've been part of the omni theres been a rumor mill, that the omni is a white collective and not a welcoming space for black and brown people and i've called bullshit on this plenty of times. This myth of the omni being a white-only club is bullshit, the omni has done so much community work that i dont think this group.. is not the group to work with, theyre going to usurp the space and they've already put out ... its really uncalled for, and i dont know what to call, this myth that omni is a white only club. omni has done so much community work. you do need more community membership but not group to work with. i dont think this is the group to represent black radical thought<br />
* trevor - can i say something as a black person - just seeing what they're about like lowkey being as unbiased as i can say the religious stuff kinda turns me off a bit, especially the doxing and if they had been more diplomatic i'm saying tthis as unbiased as i can, i mean most groups are white supremacist or dominated, so that argument there you could use that anywhere but its something to look out for , it is like a conflict of interest..<br />
* paige - clp is not pp<br />
* trevor - so are they aligned?<br />
* paige - clp wrote boycott that doxxed people. PP retweeted. clp smaller group, have crossover between groups<br />
* trevor - still that was a little over the line, as someone whose been doxxed in the past, i know the ramifications of that, <br />
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* jake - thanks everyone, lets recap the vote for our delegate: approve: 3, abstain: 1, block: 6<br />
* alex - so we did not reach consensus, we do not have a decision<br />
* jake - i disagree<br />
* alex - with the definition of consensus?<br />
* yar - i strongly [dis]agree with the people who block, but i don't think that everyone has to agree to block for the delegate to block. If i was the delegate in this vote, i would agree that the delegate needs to block, but i want to point out how many people have felt alienated from coming to these meetings, because of the shit that has happened at these meetings, but if they had been coming to these meetings you would have a couple more blocks, abstains, approves....i think omni's got a real problem here<br />
* andrew w - this is what i was mentioning about not getting anything done, because anyone can block something getting through, but if its a contentious issue we've got to go with a majority rule<br />
* yar - but what is majority rule<br />
* andrew w - count the votes<br />
* alex - the basis of this process is that we have to communicate, this encourages people to approach where they are, thats the virtue, there are bad things about it too<br />
* andrew w - i devoted two hours of my life for this, do what you're gonna do<br />
* yar - alex it seems like you should block tomorrow, i don't want you to block but i don't think you have a choice here, i think consensus .... its not permanent, maybe in two weeks...it seems the only way forward, if people feel this strongly... i just encourage everyone to talk with the people you are disagreeing with. ill put my email. the problem i see at Omni is the way consensus is building is just by someone walking away.<br />
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== ED contract ==<br />
* alex - theres been work done by patrik and paige and<br />
* paige - and john a little bit<br />
* alex - i dont think its been sent to Jamal yet, who wanted to review it before it was sent to the lawyer, right?<br />
* paige - yar has the draft been sent to jamal yet?<br />
* yar - nobody agrees that we have a final draft to send to him<br />
* paige - patrik has a draft that hes working on, newest draft has some stuff about wages, $60/hr, but only if we have net revenue<br />
* jenny - its a salary with a cap, stable enough that people are incentivized to work, that could be .... i dont know why we would put in the hands of some brand new guy 10% of 1 million dollars that could be donated to us?<br />
* paige - even when we were doing a percentage of what was raised we were doing it because we had no funds to pay him, ...its not cool because it might turn out he doesnt bring in any money and works for us for free, or maybe makes money on a grant that Pallavi brought in and shes on a monthly contract, this was brought up because we dont have money to pay, not a grift by jamal<br />
* alex - is the contract able to be shared around?<br />
* yar - i would be cautious about sharing it, it shouldn't be public but if someone is a trusted aide of a delegate, i think its fine to share, but we know that the job candidate doesnt want this to be public, he was very disgruntled the last time things were public<br />
* jenny - why is he not ok with things being public? we're a transparent organization and we have to report documents<br />
* yar - not all details of contract need to be public<br />
* jenny - ....<br />
* yar - he doesn't want the delegates to be spreading it into the wider internet<br />
* jenny - too bad, don't work for omni...a group that does things by and large transparently, an executive director who has ... over the delegates would be not transparent<br />
* yar - idk whether to address the false premises or the ... he wouldnt have power over the delegates. that would be impossible. he specifically, he doesnt want to get into a lot of drama with people who treated him with disrespect. contract negotiation,,, not normal to have every detail public. makes it more complicated than it needs to be. and i think anyone interested not in conflict can be brought in, just doesnt need to happen in public.<br />
* jenny - i think the issue of appointing an ED, at experimental project of nonhierarchial omni...<br />
* alex - idea was, had first discussion, now creating a draft contract with small circle that will be shared, when we are at that point, then circulated with wider collectives who can put in their contributions. i think it helps having initial contract with a small group before shopped around. i dont think jamal wants contract secret forever, but it makes sense to be in a small circle at first.<br />
* jenny - yea that makes sense, thanks for sharing<br />
* carl - a little confused on whether it was decided to hire him<br />
* alex - no it has not been decided. working on preliminary contract. he wants to see a realistic step forward from us before sharing his references. <br />
* jenny - seriously? do we have a cv?<br />
* alex - yes <br />
* jenny - not a shared CV? should be public<br />
* alex - not relatively public<br />
* yar - i have been sharing it with anyone i trust not to post on the public internet<br />
* jake - you said its not doxxing if its already known on internet<br />
* alex - are you making anything better by that comment?<br />
* jake - i think its because its in interest about convo, shouldnt be private thing if he wants to be ED of a transparent org. im addressing question of whether its valid to simultaneously keep secret<br />
* alex - not secret<br />
* paige - yar said you were doxxed, but she wasnt because what was there on boycott was already public info.<br />
* alex - so ok not having it public, but shared as needed [not sure if said]<br />
* jenny - yes<br />
https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Event:2024/01/25_Delegates<br />
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== officer positions of treasurer and secretary ==<br />
* alex - yar has been nominated for secretary and would do a great job, but jake go ahead and talk about your nominees<br />
* jake - i nominate Sierk and Taylor for positions of Secretary and Treasurer, they're both ok with that. <br />
* jenny - does taylor have experience with accounting or finance?<br />
* jake - i dont think so. does our current one imma?<br />
* yar - imma doesnt want to be listed anymore, neither does jacqi. reason we are doing this now is because we are going to file our 990s. <br />
* jenny - we have til april 15? to submit notification of changes to the board over past fiscal year jan-dec. so if we are changing now, dont have to report til april of next year. we would be listed current people on our tax doc. just to say its not a huge rush<br />
* yar - they dont want to be on it, filing more paperwork with their names on it, especially with foreclosure, would be shitty<br />
* paige - 990s. <br />
* jenny - due in may for nonprofits. usually we ask for 6 month. nov 15.<br />
* yar - sarah said she intended to do in feb<br />
* jenny - she intends to finish financial reports, income revenue, status of debts. but those are submitted to irs. she also said she usually takes extension because omni is complicated. they want profit and loss, rent and role, projected business plan and income. in term of tax filing requirements, not required til november. she was planning to submit <br />
* yar - i thought she was trying to finish obligations and leave<br />
* jenny - as long as we have financial reports we have what we need<br />
* alex/yar - she would help with this years taxes, 2023<br />
* yar - i believe you, are you saying we shouldnt replace them right now?<br />
* alex - personally i think its a good idea, but not urgent<br />
* jenny - im just saying less urgent than people making it to be<br />
* yar - even though people are actively asking to be taken off<br />
* alex - already on the document that they want off<br />
* yar - but at least in meeting notes that they are removed<br />
* alex - do they have to be filled?<br />
* jenny - need those 3 roles<br />
* alex - maybe we could at least ask them? or is their position already known<br />
* yar - both very clear in my experience that they dont want the roles<br />
* alex - ok, but we have til may then?<br />
* yar - seems like only reason for waiting is conflict between me and jake.<br />
* jake - no theres another person blocking<br />
* yar - sierk doesnt come to meetings<br />
* jenny - honestly yar would be best secretary. primary duty is to record meetings of the board<br />
* alex - to me, its not a position that will be making decisions. someone who cares about building, and someone doing a lot of those roles already<br />
* yar - i dont even want it, just conceding to the people who nominated me that it could help. in my attempts to save the building to have the title. i dont want it, i dont like having my name on stuff, despite it being on my twitter, despite not being doxxed while jake was... which i have to clarify all the time<br />
* jenny - this is our 990 public <br />
* jake - i understand they are supposed to have roles, but until now there have been no calls for those people to do something other than have name on paper. i agree with our delegates being a horizontal board. <br />
* alex - then why does it matter<br />
* jake - why couldnt i be president? i gave up the title no problem. immediately, fine with paige. patrik was one who wanted to look into past more. point being i dont think it should be a problem for <br />
* alex - the only people left around here are controversial in one or another. you guys have known each other so long, no way to prevent controversy<br />
* yar - im not even blocking sierk. can speak for other collectives. i would just ask, what is your reason for blocking me?<br />
* jake - i think you are shameless about getting your way. use what ever levers, theories of justice you can employ to get what you want. and i dont want it <br />
* alex - some people would characterize you that way too<br />
* jake - yes and those people wouldnt want me to be president , secretary, and treasurer<br />
* eric - why is this just our choice?<br />
* alex - just discussing who has been nominated vs xxp<br />
* paige - CCL nominated yar too, not just sr<br />
* paige - i think that role is important one, should have someone <br />
* jenny - do they have spreadsheet experience<br />
* jenny - we arent going to find another sarah. who does [lists all things sarah does for low wage]. not a problem for treasurer and secretary to be same<br />
* paige - sarah said past meeting thats a huge red flag<br />
* jenny - not a problem for small nonprofit. i researched this extensively when i was doing bookkeeping for omni before 2019<br />
* alex - are we satisfied with our nominations, i will transfer nominations that jake has put forward. your blocking yar?<br />
* jake - yes im blocking yar and eric is blocking yar.<br />
* carl - i dont know either sierk or taylor. but make sure to trust people in these positions not to take power. i have had that experience. if not trustworthy they can cause problems for you<br />
* jake - if anyone worried about that with sierk or taylor, they should speak up.<br />
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== end of meeting ==<br />
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* alex - anything else?<br />
* jake - icebreaker question<br />
* alex - the ice has already been broken.<br />
* alex - just to recap, i am blocking the Peoples Programs proposal tomorrow, and i have nothing to say about Jamal's contract (there is nothing yet)<br />
* yar - if it were to be a vote, first work between team and jamal, then sent for lawyer ratification, then to delegates to vote<br />
* alex - also i need top 3 reasons why for block<br />
* jenny - 1. conflict of interest with co-ownership, then being a part of the board of co-owner. i know they had response. 2. what is benefit on either side. i understand they are getting to know us, getting more trust, but from our end looks like a risk, now they have decision making power, i know recusing themselves from certain decisions, but still a form of power. what would omni gain? not proposing rent<br />
* alex - i think they are open to that. they would want to use the space, and would be open to rent for any space<br />
* eric - thats cool they can do that without being a member collective<br />
* jenny - before other collectives have gotten more involved with space for applying. reason for that, to gain trust<br />
* carl - reason i said to amend "at this time", we can reconsider after saving of omni. not bringing in new member collective before saving the omni<br />
* eric - i see same thing, eating up a lot of energy that could be used elsewhere. something we can discuss after mortgage<br />
* yar - does that include tanc?<br />
* jake - no we have already approved them<br />
* jenny - and have been meeting at omni for years at months<br />
* jake - why did ask that<br />
* alex - because it seems like a contradiction<br />
* yar - it does seem like a contradiction. heuristic of no adding new colllectives <br />
* carl - no i think useful to bring that up<br />
* jake - lots of back and forth with tanc. approval of tanc has been more firmly investigated than any other collective<br />
* carl - jake has a good point<br />
* paige - yea yar has been doing a lot of that work and is in support. but clarified talking about heurstic of not approving any new collective... not sure why this blew up.<br />
* jenny - just pointing out not that contradictory. have been working with them<br />
* yar - i dont disagree, i approve of tanc. you are offering a different heuristic - we can add new collectives if they have already been working here. carl was saying specifically no new collective<br />
* jenny - if it was noisebridge asking.. or some other group with more established connections<br />
* paige - there are some established connections within omni to pp. <br />
* yar - [something about noisebridge being bad example]<br />
* jenny - [ok i hear that]<br />
* alex - anything else for delegate to share?<br />
* jake recaps lender conversation <br />
* jake - we might have to ask the board to agree to..<br />
* jenny - before consens on people to liason with jesse. usually a small group of delegates, who were more legally savvy. we should update that list. <br />
* alex - maybe we should pre-emptively okay time with the lawyer.<br />
* jenny - good to have someone, board representative, CC'd in conversation. to track time and transparency. <br />
* yar - im okay putting this person in touch with lawyer. but unsure if omni should pay for it. my understanding is that they want to be anonymous<br />
* jenny - some sort of conflict of interest<br />
* yar - pay our lawyer to work on something to be a secret about it<br />
* jake - i sent jesse a telephone message with that persons number. but jesse might come back and ask for board approval. <br />
* alex - thank you everyone for coming. not fun being here hours on end. but helps me know what to do tomorrow<br />
* yar - thanks alex<br />
* alex - want to talk about forward looking ideas for sudo room. but dont want to hold anyone<br />
* yar - im willing to stay. not trying to cancel anyone even if i disagree with them</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meetings&diff=12392Meetings2024-01-25T06:36:47Z<p>Jerkey: /* Archive */</p>
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| [[Meeting Notes 2024-01-24|2024-01-24]]<br />
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| Jamal hiring contract, peoples programs proposal, Missey, CIM, land trusts, LLC update<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2024-01-17|2024-01-17]]<br />
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| foreclosure worst outcome, alex voted delegate<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2024-01-10|2024-01-10]]<br />
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| accountability, bans, omni executive director discussion<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2024-01-03|2024-01-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-12-27|2023-12-27]]<br />
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| PP co-ownership proposal, future imaginations<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-12-20|2023-12-20]]<br />
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| PP proposal and counterproposals in advance of omni meeting<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-12-13|2023-12-13]]<br />
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| PP proposal, proposal to set up LLC<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-11-02|2023-11-02]]<br />
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| omni collective statement and finances<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-10-05|2023-10-05]]<br />
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| informal, how to make sudoroom more welcoming, delegate position and duties<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-27|2023-09-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-20|2023-09-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-08-02|2023-08-02]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-07-05|2023-07-05]]<br />
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| cnc router, organizing ourselves<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-06-07|2023-06-07]]<br />
| none<br />
| member stats, save omni, keeping space clean, event ideas<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-03-01|2023-03-01]]<br />
| Our big March Meeting<br />
| Plans for March<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-25|2023-01-25]]<br />
| low stakes meeting<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-11|2023-01-11]]<br />
| Start of the new year<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2022-04-06|2022-04-06]]<br />
| Arthur <br /> Eva <br /> PWM <br /> PB<br />
| Four new members, plus two proposals<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-06-02|2021-06-02]]<br />
| kabirdas<br />
| electrical and ventilation<br />
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| | [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-26|2021-05-26]]<br />
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| Reopening, project and event ideas<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-19|2021-05-19]]<br />
| Nik<br />
| Reopening, access control, computers<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-12|2021-05-12]]<br />
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| Sudo Room decides to continue existing and stuff<br />
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| [[Sudoroom_Meeting_2019_04_03|2019-04-03]]<br />
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| discussion & consensus about GCEA proposals & paying Jenny for bookkeeping<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-04-11|2018-04-11]]<br />
| Rich<br />
| Steve banned, omni proposals mentioned but not discussed<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-03-14|2018-03-14]]<br />
| Tom Levine <br /> Andrew Vaziri<br />
| Change to membership process passed, endorsing statement from The Village to City, discussion of conflict w/ Steve<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-01-10|2018-01-10]]<br />
| Jacques <br /> Noah<br />
| melissa and sierk as new omni delegates; <br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-12-13|2017-12-13]]<br />
| * Adam Bredenberg <br /> Melissa Crow <br /> Pato <br /> Adam <br /> Eric <br /> Jan<br />
| discussion of finances, omni cafe proposal discussion<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-29|2017-11-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-08|2017-11-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-01|2017-11-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-13|2017-08-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-09|2017-08-09]]<br />
| Kyle <br /> Matt <br /> Rayc<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-07-12|2017-07-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-05-10|2017-05-10]]<br />
| Corey <br /> Travis <br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-12-14|2016-12-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-16|2016-11-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-09|2016-11-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-10-12|2016-10-12]]<br />
| Vienna<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-09-14|2016-09-14]]<br />
| T Maes <br /> Evan Short<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-17|2016-08-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-10|2016-08-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-07-13|2016-07-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-15|2016-06-15]]<br />
| Eric <br /> Wen-qing <br /> Alex <br /> Yvonne<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-08|2016-06-08]]<br />
| Tim <br /> Chris <br /> Lindsey<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-05-11|2016-05-11]]<br />
| James <br /> Corey <br /> Benjamin Huang<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-27|2016-04-27]]<br />
| Elliot<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-20|2016-04-20]]<br />
| Syd<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-13|2016-04-13]]<br />
| Abhiram<br />Pete Forsyth<br />Dirty Bill<br />Chris<br />Jamie<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-06|2016-04-06]]<br />
| Jacob<br />Jason<br />
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| 2016-03-30<br />
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| 2016-03-23<br />
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| 2016-03-16<br />
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| 2016-03-09<br />
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| 2016-03-02<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-24|2016-02-24]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-17|2016-02-17]]<br />
| bstack<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-10|2016-02-10]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-03|2016-02-03]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-27|2016-01-27]]<br />
| Jay<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-20|2016-01-20]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-13|2016-01-13]]<br />
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| cancelled-ish<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-06|2016-01-06]]<br />
| nathan<br />Nick<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-30|2015-12-30]]<br />
| Charley<br />
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| 2015-12-23<br />
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| no signs of having happened<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-16|2015-12-16]]<br />
| Daisy<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-09|2015-12-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-02|2015-12-02]]<br />
| Max<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-25|2015-11-25]]<br />
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| didn't really happen, blame thanksgiving<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-18|2015-11-18]]<br />
| morgan<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-11|2015-11-11]]<br />
| Kwaku<br />Gracie<br />Micolah<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-04|2015-11-04]]<br />
| dane<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-10-28|2015-10-28]]<br />
| Andrew<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-21|2015-10-21]]<br />
| Merry<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-14|2015-10-14]]<br />
| Alex<br />Lef<br />Mari<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-07|2015-10-07]]<br />
| Tom<br />Daron<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-30|2015-09-30]]<br />
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| Insufficient critical mass<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-23|2015-09-23]]<br />
| Ari<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-16|2015-09-16]]<br />
| david<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-09|2015-09-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-02|2015-09-02]]<br />
| Benji<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-26|2015-08-26]]<br />
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| 2015-08-19<br />
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| nobody showed up<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-12|2015-08-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-05|2015-08-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-07-29|2015-07-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-22|2015-07-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-15|2015-07-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-08|2015-07-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-01|2015-07-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-24|2015-06-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-17|2015-06-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-10|2015-06-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-03|2015-06-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-27|2015-05-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-20|2015-05-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-13|2015-05-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-06|2015-05-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-29|2015-04-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-22|2015-04-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-15|2015-04-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-08|2015-04-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-01|2015-04-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-25|2015-03-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-18|2015-03-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-11|2015-03-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-04|2015-03-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-25|2015-02-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-18|2015-02-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-11|2015-02-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-04|2015-02-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-28|2015-01-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-21|2015-01-21]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-14|2015-01-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-07|2015-01-07]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-31|2014-12-31]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-24|2014-12-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-17|2014-12-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-10|2014-12-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-03|2014-12-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-26|2014-11-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-19|2014-11-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-12|2014-11-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-05|2014-11-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-29|2014-10-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-27|2014-10-27]]<br />
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| Board of Directors Meeting<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-22|2014-10-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-15|2014-10-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-08|2014-10-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-01|2014-10-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-24|2014-09-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-17|2014-09-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-10|2014-09-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-03|2014-09-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-27|2014-08-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-20|2014-08-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-13|2014-08-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-06|2014-08-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-30|2014-07-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-23|2014-07-23]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-16|2014-07-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-09|2014-07-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-02|2014-07-02]]<br />
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| First meeting in our new space @ 4799 Shattuck!<br />
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| 2014-06-25<br />
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| big moving day, no meeting notes<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-18|2014-06-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-11|2014-06-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-04|2014-06-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-28|2014-05-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-21|2014-05-21]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-14|2014-05-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-07|2014-05-07]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-30|2014-04-30]]<br />
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| Joint mtg w/ [http://counterculturelabs.org/ CCL]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-23|2014-04-23]]<br />
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| Joint mtg w/ [http://counterculturelabs.org/ CCL]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-16|2014-04-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-09|2014-04-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-02|2014-04-02]]<br />
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| mostly reboot<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-26|2014-03-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-19|2014-03-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-12|2014-03-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-05|2014-03-05]]<br />
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| Special edition on reboot<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-02-26|2014-02-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-02-19|2014-02-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-01-29|2014-01-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-12-25|2013-12-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-11-27|2013-11-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-10-30|2013-10-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-09-25|2013-09-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-09-18|2013-09-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-08-28|2013-08-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-30|2013-07-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-24|2013-07-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-17|2013-07-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-10|2013-07-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-03|2013-07-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-06-26|2013-06-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-06-19|2013-06-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-06-12|2013-06-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-05-29|2013-05-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-03-27|2013-03-27]]<br />
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| 2013-03-20<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-03-13|2013-03-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-03-06|2013-03-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-30|2013-01-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-23|2013-01-23]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-16|2013-01-16]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-26-2012 Meetup|2012-12-26]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-19-2012 Meetup|2012-12-19]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-05-2012 Meetup|2012-12-05]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/11-28-2012 Meetup|2012-11-28]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/11-21-2012 Meetup|2012-11-21]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/10-31-2012 Meetup|2012-10-31]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/09-26-2012 Meetup|2012-09-26]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/09-19-2012 Meetup|2012-09-19]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/09-12-2012 Meetup|2012-09-12]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-29-2012 Meetup|2012-08-29]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-22-2012 Meetup|2012-08-22]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-01-2012 Meetup|2012-08-01]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/07-25-2012 Meetup|2012-07-25]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/07-18-2012 Meetup|2012-07-18]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/05-30-2012 Meetup|2012-05-30]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/05-16-2012 Meetup|2012-05-16]]<br />
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| 2012-05-09<br />
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| 2012-05-02<br />
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| [[Sudo room/04-25-2012 Meetup|2012-04-25]]<br />
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[[Category:SudoRoom Organization]][[Category:Meetings]]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2024-01-24&diff=12391Meeting Notes 2024-01-242024-01-25T06:30:18Z<p>Jerkey: create notes</p>
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<div>1/24/2024 Meeting<br />
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Meeting announce:<br />
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Note Taker: jake<br />
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= Attendees =<br />
<br />
* Alex - delegate<br />
* Yar - she/her<br />
* Jake - sudoroom member<br />
* Paige - i'm paige<br />
* Arthur - i'm here kindof<br />
* Trevor - he/they, from chicago, new, checking things out<br />
* E - eric<br />
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= Agenda =<br />
<br />
* jamals hiring contract<br />
* peoples programs proposal, Missey, CIM, land trusts<br />
* LLC update<br />
<br />
== Jamal hiring contract ==<br />
* Jamal would make 10% of Omni income, not including money going toward mortgage<br />
* "The Company agrees to pay the Executive Director a stipend of 8,665 dollars per month, not to exceed 10% of the net revenues of the Company, defined as total revenues minus any purpose restricted funds and fixed operating expenses such as loan payments, taxes and fees. The parties understand that the Company may not have sufficient funds to pay the full stipend unless additional funds are raised."<br />
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== peoples programs proposal, Missey, CIM, land trusts ==<br />
* alex - peoples programs have made, a plan for them for getting out of debt is...but in the short term they just want membership, no space, their application is in process now. We will have to decide yes or no or abstain to their membership, probably not at tomorrows meeting but probably in a week from now. We should talk about their membership in the short term rather than down the line. I would like input so i know how to make this decision, as delegate.<br />
* yar - i think sudoroom should say yes<br />
* jake - i think sudoroom should say no<br />
* alex - flesh out those points of view. Yar is a volunteer with Peoples Programs<br />
* yar - i think the kind of stuff that they're doing is exactly in line with what we've been trying to do at omni for years, and they have the kind of energy to take it and run with it which is something that we've struggled to do. their leadership has mostly grown up in this neighborhood, in my experience they're nice people, they have a lot in common with omni, and of course some differences but i don't think that's as important as other people think<br />
* alex - if they buy the building they'll have to stop being a member, so why have them be a member?<br />
* yar - because it would build trust and closeness and since we're asking for labor and investment of time and energy, we should allow them to be recognized as a real stakeholder<br />
* jake - why not invite banks and land trusts to be members?<br />
* alex - you think it would be a gesture to show trust and<br />
* yar - i think peoples programs should be a stakeholder in omni regardless. Buying the building would take months<br />
* alex - my reservation is that there's a lot going on right now and adding another collective that a lot of people view as outsiders will affect people adversely<br />
* yar - thats the problem, omni should not be embracing this insular practice of labeling peoples programs as outsiders. Several collectives have already said yes. Sketchboard and Media Lab and Liberated Lens.<br />
* jake - shocking (thats sarcasm)<br />
* yar - can you explain your sarcsasm<br />
* alex - stop asking rhetorical questions<br />
* yar - pallavi looked into PP and found out that family members had connections to people in PP and was vouching for them<br />
* alex - my sense was that ... currently there are 3 ideas for saving the omni financially, and theres the ED idea thats intended to fundraise. the 3 ideas for funding including Peoples Programs, 1. selling PP the ballroom and certain adjacent parts of the building, to be decided. 2. (which i think is incompatible)<br />
* yar - i disagree* - no compatible.<br />
* alex - Philip Bell who is currently doing Omni events, he has a letter to do a loan to buy the same part of the building and use it as an events space, it would be an LLC operating an events space out of the omni and own their own space. 3. Land trust - recently there's been a lot of Whispers from land trusts, and there's going to be a meeting with the delegates.<br />
* paige - there's also this nonprofit called Misssey that's coming to check out this coming week, interested in a partner/nonprofit<br />
* jake - and they have the money to pay off our debt just like peoples programs claims to<br />
* yar - i think they're not incompatible. I think PP should own the entrance hall and the ballroom should be shared, which would be compatible with a land trust, and with City In Motion (Philips thing) operating the ballroom, and with Misssey having an office<br />
* alex - thy seem mutually excusive to me, did you ask peoples programs?<br />
* yar - i think they're open to the idea<br />
* alex - my feeling is that anyone who commits that amount of money would want their share of the building<br />
* paige - land trusts don't necessarily need a space<br />
* alex - i doubt a land trust would want to partner with other entities to run a building<br />
* paige - CAST land trust reached our and gave COUNTERPULSE as an example, $3M initially and only retained 1% of the deed so it stays with the art<br />
* yar - the thing David proposed was just like a replacement for mulberry<br />
* alex - he was very vague<br />
* paige - what does the land trust get out of it?<br />
* alex - the most promising things about land trust are, we can probably hadn over a lot of maintenance taks to them ,they do fundraising for the building, that's great, and handle other details, i think it would be a good thing<br />
* yar - and that's still compatible with PP owning a corner of the building<br />
* jake - CCL is not compatible with PP for various reasons<br />
* yar - that's only the toxic members<br />
* jake - clarify that<br />
* yar - i was responding to the phrasing that you used<br />
* alex - i would like to take a vote but there are not enough people<br />
* yar - then we should abstain (at the delegates meeting)<br />
* jake - i disagree, you don't just abstain and allow an important decision without consulting the collective, and i resent you trying to force the issue this way<br />
* alex - in practice we try to do everything by consensus<br />
* yar - and then we fall back when it doesn't work<br />
* arthur - no. wants them to apply again later<br />
* yar - i would ask the membership why they want to block something that others want<br />
* alex - its a reasonable thing to talk about<br />
* yar - blocking a consensus decision is a strong statement, when other people are saying they want this and you can't have that<br />
* jake - like when CLP blocked TANC?<br />
* yar - ..... i feel like a straw person is being engaged with<br />
* alex - jake is very skeptical of PP<br />
* yar - he's anti, and he's willing to impose that view on everyone else. I'm skeptical of everybody. I joined the group to get over my skepticism and to learn more<br />
* alex - i don't really understand the gesture part of<br />
* yar - i never said gesture<br />
* alex - this seems performative of me<br />
* yar - its fair exchange, if somebody is going to be a part of the community they should be a stakeholder<br />
* alex - that's already being discussed as the whole real estate thing<br />
* yar - and i think this would help<br />
* alex - help what<br />
* yar<br />
* alex - i know we talked about them recusing themselves from real estate deal but that's going to be very cumbersome to leave the room every time we're talking about them, for months, is there some other thing we can do short of putting them on the delegates council<br />
* yar - part of me is hoping that with them as a member collective we can find a path forward that's better than dividig the building, i'm hoping for a better way, for example what if they introduced us to other groups<br />
* jake - interrupts saying "Like CLP" (gets shut down) sorry that was inappropriate but i'm still REALLY upset that we're normalizing the fact that CLP is still friends with PP and PP still hasn't taken down their retweet of the doxxing of both you (yar) and me<br />
* yar - they doxxed you, they didn't dox me<br />
* jake - they put your full name<br />
* yar - but that's no big deal<br />
* jake - i can't believe this, this is absurd<br />
* eric - lets take a vote<br />
* jake - i am clearly blocking<br />
* alex - we should try to see others points here. Is there something short of membership that would move things forward<br />
* yar - i dont think they would contribute labor to a project where they have zero voice running the place, especially when there are so many concerns about racism<br />
* alex - are they being asked to contribute labor?<br />
* yar - showing up to this meeting is labor!<br />
* alex - <br />
* yar - from their perspective if we can't let them in as a member collective <br />
* alex - they haven't even really applied for membership yet<br />
* yar - yes they have<br />
* alex - so you disagree with Toan?<br />
* yar - yes<br />
* alex - what is the process for applying for membership?<br />
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* https://omnicommons.org/wiki/Join<br />
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* paige - the most concrete thing is CAST which Peter can tell us more, they're focused on Arts which is not exactly what we do<br />
* alex - sounds like a good match for the ballroom<br />
* jake - the sudoroom synthesizer is pure arts<br />
* paige - for people who claim that a land trust is gentrification<br />
* yar - their priority is to preserve control of land by black folks from oakland, and there's no land trust that can say that<br />
* paige - is EBPREC not that way?<br />
* yar - they're not a land trust they're noteven a nonprofit. OakCLT is more progressive but they're not really black folks from oakland. From their perspective its more money moving farther from their community, decisions made by people not from their community, where the building is. I think it's valid for them (PP) to have that criticism and we should let PP steward the building<br />
* alex - they have no experience doing that<br />
* yar - neither do we. They have hundreds of people. Their warehouse is beautifully maintained<br />
* alex - its rented<br />
* yar - they're chomping at the bit. They would love a situation where they would have more control<br />
* alex - can i just show up there?<br />
* yar - they would prefer you go through the orientation before you show up there<br />
* alex - it might be a good first step to go on a field trip? I'm just spitballing<br />
* yar - i can see that happening<br />
* arthur - can i get assurance that me to no vote on peoples trust is been heard. I need to go do domestic stuff now.<br />
* alex and yar complain about the remote telescreen interaction<br />
* jake - arthur lives an hour away<br />
* yar - if i lived an hour away i would feel less invested in sudoroom too<br />
* jake - arthurs family is in oakland and he will move here when he can<br />
* arthur - No means I vote "no". Not abstain. It's just Wednesdays are hard. I'm an Oaklander. I'm from that neighborhood. This is my home. Good night all.<br />
* jake and yar argue<br />
* jake - you are still saying that CLP didn't dox you while they still have your full name out there in their callout<br />
* yar - my full name is public informtion, it's on my twitter, etc...<br />
* paige - gives Peter reportback, for example he knew about Philip Bell's proposal. A meeting between Peter and Ken and a friend. Ken is the CEO of CAST<br />
* alex - anything else we need to discuss? Although I don't think we have a quorum.<br />
* yar - there's a proposal for me to be secretary. It certainly shouldn't be Jacqi. Does anybody object to me being secretary?<br />
* paige - i think it would be helpful<br />
* alex - description of the position?<br />
* yar - make the meetings more organizaed, which i'm dreading. Patrik nominated me, media lab seconded, but it wasn't written down. I said I needed to be nominated in email. Jacqi said months ago that she didn't want it. We have to list someone.<br />
* alex - i do feel like we need to learn more<br />
* Eric - Yar, who besides yourself would you nominate? It sounds like you don't want to do it<br />
* yar - i agree that it makes sense for me to do it<br />
* paige - it needs to be someone who comes to delegates meetings, and the delegates are already busy<br />
* yar - anybody but jake and eric. Trevor walked away. anyone object?<br />
* jake - I object, I will look for other options<br />
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== LLC update ==<br />
* jake - I have been informed that there's a lender with a large enough sum that I can say with confidence that the LLC is fully funded. I checked in with Jesse about it and here's what he said:<br />
(1) Hire a securities lawyer to set up the structure. If you like I can<br />
reach out to the lawyer I used last time and see if he is available and how<br />
much it would cost.<br />
(2) He'll set up an LLC, which just takes 1-2 days.<br />
(3) The lenders will send their money to the LLC's bank account.<br />
(4) Omni and the LLC will sign a promissory note secured by a deed of<br />
trust in exchange for the LLC paying off the Mulberry loan.<br />
* jake - i will show up at the delegates meeting to present this but it won't mean anything until there's a piece of paper in front of the delegates to sign, at which point we will be ready to pay off the mulberry trust.<br />
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END OF MEETING</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12384Sparcstation2024-01-17T07:49:18Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
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<div>= sparcstation 5 =<br />
* To get the Ethernet port to work, you must enable setenv tpe-link-test? true<br />
* The NVRAM chip's battery has been replaced similar to [https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/s/J1PLS9AZNU the image in this reddit post]<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time, and to fix that, at the "ok" prompt type [https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2436891-timeout-waiting-for-arp-rarp-on-booting "setenv boot-device disk"] and "setenv diag-device disk" and "setenv tpe-link-test? true" and then "nvstore"<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
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<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
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* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<code>./netup</code><br />
<br><br />
<br />
* /netup is just this:<br><br />
<code><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* we the following is in /etc/resolv.conf<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* and did this<br />
<code>cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf</code><br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
[https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/QAAD2R72X3X7JLLH4PJASNXSHVG6ZNQ6/ see this email thread]<br />
<br />
[https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0916/ipconfig-13/index.html echo jackpumpkin > /etc/hostname.leo]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
* The actual last three bytes of the MAC address are on a sticker on the NVRAM chip and should be entered in the above instructions, both places in the instructions above must match!<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:Sparcstationethernethelp.jpg&diff=12383File:Sparcstationethernethelp.jpg2024-01-17T07:38:53Z<p>Jerkey: Sparcstation help page on Ethernet</p>
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<div>== Summary ==<br />
Sparcstation help page on Ethernet</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2024-01-10&diff=12382Meeting Notes 2024-01-102024-01-15T04:48:31Z<p>Jerkey: Undo revision 12381 by Jerkey (talk)</p>
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<div>January 10, 202<br />
<br />
= Attendees =<br />
== in person ==<br />
* paige: they/them been a delegate 4-5 times recently and first came in 2021<br />
* alex - he/him<br />
* eric: answer. codelegate with paige<br />
* elon - first time yesterday<br />
* arthur - here often but my parenting schedule has never lined up<br />
* sierk<br />
* alex<br />
* jake<br />
* ccl - [who was this?]<br />
* ally - he/him not part of sudoroom but have been exploring omni commons. free store volunteer. ally as in alliance<br />
* peter - he/him<br />
* jason - he/him<br />
* yar - she/her, part of sudoroom since halloween 2012, first meeting, really hope we can save the building and prevent it from getting sold off, need to be on same page<br />
== online ==<br />
* sequioa: she/her aka taylor is fine too, sudoroom member since 2019, really looking forward to getting us on the same page and finding solutions to our big problems<br />
* jems - they/them delegate til recently . stepped down as delegate<br />
* angl3a: they/them/she/her OG sudoroom member since before we moved here, monday and tuesday nights<br />
* carl: he/him. been since the early days<br />
* ed [in chat] - mic not working and needs to find webcam<br />
* philip chin<br />
* julie meyerson: <br />
* muiren: first discovered sudo room late 2016 and when i asked about joining the amount for dues quoted more than i can afford. didnt see due requirement anymore. asked whether there was low income arrangement for membership and they invited me to visit and get to know people. difficult to find anyone who spell out onboarding process and what expectations were. thats been frustrating, nailing that down, making it clear what that feels like when showing up, just dont know whats going on. no sense of hospitality or intentional inclusion. weird thing for a progressive community, to not see the value of doing these things<br />
* julie - part of SR for a little over a year now<br />
* phil - been a member for about a year. do electronics and fix peoples stuff<br />
* eva<br />
* will<br />
== arrived late == <br />
* kent<br />
* thomas<br />
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= Roles = <br />
* facilitator - ally<br />
* notetakers - paige, angela, jake<br />
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<br />
= Agenda =<br />
== straw poll to decide on facilitator ==<br />
Note taking was not started until after this had been discussed for a while (and in email right before meeting).<br />
<br />
Jemma volunteered to be facilitator before meeting. Was contentious. Decided to take a vote<br />
<br />
=== Vote to have Jemma act as facilitator ===<br />
* opposed - jake, eric, arthur<br />
* abstain - sierk, alex philip chin<br />
* approve - yar, peter, sequioa, angela, paige, muiren<br />
<br />
We agree to Paige as facilitator. But Paige is taking notes so needs help<br />
<br />
Angela offers support with notetaking and process<br />
Also Ally offered as facilitator, and he ended up doing most of it<br />
<br />
== who should be delegate, trust, conflict, etc. ==<br />
* sequoia - want us to be mindful about level of emotion. see each other in good faith. work from a space of good faith.<br />
*jemma - issue that i'm being removed as facilitator. contributes to harm done in our space.<br />
* peter - would like to have an update of where we stand on foreclosure<br />
* jake - discussing handing over power to ED should be first<br />
* carl - jems please dont take offense, doesnt mean your not a good facilitator. the whole goal is to be neutral. and if someone doesnt think thats the case, dont take offense. <br />
* muiren - no clue why jemma is not facilitator<br />
* jemma - we are based on removing people based off who was harmed. small cliques in our group continuing to cause harm. if they are going to silence people, if we dont address, our collective wont be going on<br />
* eric - we shouldn't silence anyone, yea.... <br />
* yar - from what i heard, they are objecting because jemma named called out racism, transphobia and misogyny<br />
* jake - no, there are several reasons<br />
* someone calls out jake for interrupting<br />
* yar - i interrupted him before its okay. even if that's only one of the reasons, not acceptable to object on that<br />
* jake - if someone is making false claims based off bad faith about me that is bad.<br />
* yar - its not<br />
* jake - if they arent, then they can enumerate. if its based off of racism then they should join<br />
* jemma - i should facilitate, majority in favor<br />
* angela - i want us to get along, maybe if paige was facilitator people would think it is fair. should we hear jemma out or do a vote?<br />
* sequoia - i voted in favor but i dont want... i just want a facilitator that does not cause... jems i do see u got a majority vote. one problem i have with our org is we do not have a process. i would support a straw poll to <br />
* carl - question from jamal<br />
* jamal - little bit of disagreement on who is facilitator. either i can go to that other meeting now and come back or speak now. i am jamal taylor. board at the last meeting told me to come on given the financial nature the org is in. at current we owe $880k to our lender. we might get a default letter any day that will evict us. when i talked to counsel today, he said patience has run out with the lender. to the extent that it matters to me, priority needs to be saving the building, without finding someone else to do that. i think there are avenues by raising money. and that would come through a set of organizations. there is one that can make a 10 year loan, but we are against a barrel of a gun. things have been communicated to me, we have 4k in the bank. major problem for a building this size. what matters to me is that this building can function. need heads down focused on saving this building. to the extent i have heard, about my qualifications or ability. i will say to you as ed requirement must always be as little distraction as possible. self centering these past 4 weeks, sends signal of where our priorities are. someone came to me with a complaint as ED given a decision made by the board, i took an action to ameliorate by engaging in a thoughtful review. i would invite everyone to be very careful of language used talking to people outside this org, as well as those inside of it. no money if we are sued. many skew toward libel and slander. very mindful how we engage with each other. my priority is that we can afford this building. <br />
* jems - question, you said you had a way for an org to bring in money? is that one of current proposals? what is that direction?<br />
* jamal - cannot share all details. i want to clear up something brought up before, im not going to blindly accept any idea. when i asked for procurement of money from other proposals, nobody was able to show something. the org i am talking to now has money, they have given 2-3 million dollar loans. i do have connections with congressman who knows someone on that board. my hope is 10yr loan. problem is we had 10 yrs to pay back this loan and were not able to. i will say, when i go to the board, i think we ask for 1.75 mil, to secure loan and repair things that need to be repaired. ballroom needs some work, plumbing electrical code things. no staff members. we have 4k in bank and cant pay people. what i was told in the board, i would raise my own money to pay salary. counsel and i talked and we would set that salary to cap at a global norm. another thing important to name, people are saying I know PP. i do not. i do not operate with fear or favor. several people in this room can vouch i have been critical of things in their proposal. i would ask people to really consider what is important right now. not about "i dont like that person"<br />
* jamal - i can not share who the lender is. i have shared it with one board member. im not going to share because of some of the behavior i have seen in ppl misconstruing what the board did. lack of communication about the true place we are <br />
* sequoia - glad you are here jamal, i really appreciate how focused you are on solving the big problem right in front of us. you are really articulate and skilled. im friends with jake and was concerned about how the ban occurred. my understanding if you think someone is a problem in SR, do we have a process or if something made on fly, it feels improper. wondering if you could comment? my biggest wish, it seems now like there are two sides on the ban. where jake doesnt want to be banned, and also doesnt trust you. wonder if we could give each other a second chance.<br />
* jamal - thanks for that question. to the extent that i will talk about an investigation or set of complaints - i wont. i dont think appropriate space to do that. nor do i think, i dont think way people shared it ?? part of the problem, there are no systems whatsoever. everything seems devoid in this building. therefore my focus on what is going forward. my understanding 30-60 days. to the extent that i have to excuse people of their complaints, i will not. i think it would be inappropriate to mention those complaints in this space. to the extent that people are welcome to speak to me, they would know i am welcome to any conversation. there have been several invitations. im not opposed to conversation, but i think quite frankly, i dont know anyone well enough to prejudge them. i have seen in complaints so far, i have gotten a series of complaints from a lot of people. serious effort being spent on trying to save the building. where a complaint was raised to me, i took an action that i thought was appropriate. im prepared to answer that question but not in a firing squad, and where someone doesnt try to reach out to me. things come up in terms of complaints, we hear complaints of any sort of discrimination, that can put us into a precarious position. any individual is welcome to call me as long as they are respectful and appropriate to me, as i will to them.<br />
*jemma: in terms of giving ppl second chances, i have a problem because i am being attacked for the fact of pointing out that other people have had issues. i am removed after majority vote to be facilitator. more harm done by same individuals that caused harm. we need restorative justice, temporary ban is not permanent. not a "purge" or a "removal" or "silencing", it is a harm reduction strategy. still being targeted towards trans people, and people of color. tiring and exhausting. if sudo room wants to move forward, as antimisogynistic, antiracist. i do not believe there should be second chances. i am now being targeted with nothing factual.<br />
* yar - i want to clarify what my understanding is. on saturday board of delegates voted to ban jake temporarily for 3 months. after that there was an uproar because it escalated to the mailing list. jamal someone we thought to hire, he saw that as a distraction, so he wanted to dissolve that, again pending some sort of investigation he would take on. he was going to supply the things you were asking for. you wanted it to be on facts, on reality. thats where jamal is coming from. and as it stands now you are not banned, and that was jamal's decision<br />
* eric - i want to dovetail. it was me who first raised issues on the meeting. i also have communication from our lawyer, where he indicated specifics of which jamal said he wants to ban two specific people. does a lot to erode my thinking that this would impartial. this would be another show trial. i am resistant to authority, and abandoning omni as horizontal space <br />
* yar - never has been<br />
* eric - electing a ruler we will live under, under this supervision, this fear of... am i unmutual and i will be banned as well too. these accusations fly around, today i was told i was transphobic and misogynistic. this is not my heart, i see no evidence of this stuff in the space. these words just get thrown around. have trouble with going forward with this ED <br />
* jamal - what counsel told you that i said, is hearsay. and 2nd, some members of the board were in our convo on that day, and there was conversation on what my authority would be. as a person who has worked for some of largest school districts in country, i cant understand that in the face of, we regularly find ourselves becoming the victim when people call us out on behaviors that are de facto, cant stop long enough to look in mirror and and hear what people are saying. 1. a board had a responsibility to privacy, people who have served on as trustees, should know that and 2. agreeing to group norms then violating those norms is not acceptable and 3. dishonest statements outside of meetings are not acceptable. those discussions were made outside of the board. if there is suggestion that someone has spoke to me. im going to say as black gay man, im going to take up space i need. i wont let people paint me as an angry black man to be a victim. i ask you to do what you like to do in sudo room, and let the people doing the work do their work. one thing if people dont like me, but to the extent to think im on a witch hunt? not a priority of mine. grasping at trying to be a victim from me is exhausting. happy to help with getting a grant, but to the effect that have i gotten more than 10 complaints about a person? absolutely. and messages about something sent out untrue? absolutely. happy to ask an attorney to do it if you think you dont trust me. there are emails, text messages, voice memo, happy to turn those over. that might be the better option. do i have time to be going back and forth? my goal right now is 900k. <br />
* jems - responding to eric here, my attacks not based on feeling. not attacks, just callouts. you asked muslim POC to be removed from our meeting and didnt say it out loud. when you target only POC who is muslim in room thats a problem. caused 40 minutes delay. if they continue to support racism it's a problem<br />
* paige - we don't have time for this discussion. this is a temporary break, was best decision to allow us to move forward. i would be much more willing to discuss, what do we do when there's a conflict pushing people out. right now as is, with no structure or process and based off emails, the accused is the one who gets to be more comfortable staying, while accusers are the ones who are pushed away from space. in other spaces, much more normalized behavior of if someone asks you to take a break, u just do. not take it personally like a purge. again, if the emails or questioning was on something like "3 months is too much", or brought up something about the conflict resolution policy, i would not be saying this. but the response went straight to personal attacks, denying any harm done, and conspiracy theories. no specifics were given out but this conspiracy theory was made so quickly that jamal forced us into this vote and its a power grab. so, we can talk about policies but going forward, i think we should be following with conflict resolution, and conflict steward will report to the board.<br />
* arthur - if he were in this job, what would be the philosophy or response if foreclosure to happen?<br />
* yar - thats should be for delegate not ED<br />
* jamal - yar is right, but i can speak for myself. responsibility for assets belongs, in a 501c3, authority for money and budgeting goes to the board. but for situations that just need to be fixed, ED should authorize without approval, typically with a cap of something like $500. in case of foreclosure, too will be messy and complicated, because no process in place for dispensation of assets. i would advise to ask counsel. question is - what about past collectives who have left the space? that is beyond my expertise.<br />
* arthur - thank you i appreciate precise answer<br />
* carl - i want to thank for mediation so far. this is a question about ED, the plan how you get paid. is that related to some percentage? is that legal or ok?<br />
* jamal - counsel is finding the set norm. what is norm for ED in this size, is setting a salary. problem is there is no money right now. what would happen, i would pay myself only after the bills are paid. <br />
* carl - i think we'd love to have you help us to help us get loans and grants, but is it necessary for what help you are giving us, is it necessary that you be ED? <br />
* jamal - absolutely. you have had two extensions from the lender. in those 2 years we paid almost nothing. they're not going to take the constant slow crawling decision making process that has been going on. not going to accept lower than ED given confusion in this building right now. and we have a grant writer already.<br />
* julie - im sorry for my confusion. hearing both SR and OC used interchangeably. if they did end up splitting, where does your loyalty go to?<br />
* jamal - no im not hired by SR, Im hired by OC. point i was trying to make earlier, i dont care what happens in SR. technical language: sudo room is a tenant of the building, not my business what it does. if there are complaints that spill outside, where there are complaints are coming from outside sr, and how does sr handle those complaints. thats where we do have some overlap. <br />
* paige - clarification, sudo room isn't a tenant, its a fiscally sponsored project of OC<br />
* sequoia - point agreed with paige about emails. what ive seen in email list has been wild accusations about people being targeted, a lot of stuff that i want us.. as jamal has emphasized. important thing isnt feelings of individual members. we need to raise over $1 million. feel like we have really big problems is that the last hour and 20mins of meeting has been a lot of hurt and finger pointing. i really want to see people, we need to find ways of being more calm about what is happening. last thing, i want to support what jems said, if someone accused. if someone says 'you're an asshole'. good response is to say 'how am i being an asshole?' this applies to transphobia and racism. if someone says you're racist say 'oh what did i do?' ability to do that without having your guard up and being personally injured by the claim is so important. otherwise we will be arguing till the building burns down.<br />
* ally - two new folks in<br />
* kent and thomas introduce themselves<br />
* jamal - im going to be very brief. amount of capacity you are spending, i appreciate the emotional lift going on. i have some rhetorical questions for you. if youve seen any email ive written, you know ive invited conversation. i have made that space available. i have not gotten any responses from 4-5 of the ppl I specifically reached out to. question is why not? 2nd question, why do i feel that in this space, it feels like weaponization of your time to be engaging in this conversation when there hasn't been a person to person conversation first. i would tell you it concerns me that this place has been weaponized in this way. it would seem to me, if you had something you want to talk to me about, you have not. im confused as to why, as a human people, why space is being taken up in this way. i would ask you to ask yourself, why in the moment, why werent those raised. fundamentally confused because a process was offered. to be made whole was offered. what benefit does this have to you when this building owes the money it does<br />
* muiren [in chat] - funding social administration is as important as brick and mortar infrastructure<br />
* jemma - because of this harm, im now getting messages about mediation. if i had been facilitator we could have been going forward faster. but no factual reason for removing me. and now talking about mediation? mediation is we need to remove people who have done harm. i have done nothing that has harmed anyone. delegate in the past. need to remove people who have done harm. but i dont want this to be a back room deal. bothered i was attacked today because i had been harmed. to be targetted that way tonight is deeply disturbing and expanding upon harms. you should not behave this way and should be not tolerated by other collective members. calling for accountability as our own collective. <br />
* ally - what is your proposal, as in for a ban or time period? im asking, not to say im in agreement<br />
* jemma - im asking for removal of eric as delegate<br />
* ally - no ban?<br />
* jemma - im interested in investigation of those harms. no silencing or talking over each other. not allowing racism transphobia misogyny<br />
* carl - jems asking you not being facilitator is not targeting. i dont agree with that. a facilitator needs to to take a neutral position. youre not taking a neutral position. whether you are justified or not, views on what harms been done to you. simple reason why you were asked to not be facilitator. not to silence you. you have had opportunities to stay your piece. <br />
* jake - i want to say that there are a lot of instances of vague accusations of raism transphobia and misogyny. all real issues. actual things that happen. if i do something that are these things, i want to know about it. i agree with seq. right response is to ask what have i done. but in situations when its clear to me that it is to silence and ban me from my community, dont agree on who we give building to or who we partner with. that said there are lots of opportunities for the many times i was accused of racism and islamophobia, over and over with CLP and yar. i have asked for them to tell me what i have done wrong, they dont, they whip up a fervor, in terms of CLP they doxxed me and put flyers around. rafiq calls me racist for not giving CLP immediate status as collective. as far back as april these accusations here, but i have asked many times and they dont have anything. clear to me its a accusations to silence me and purge attempt. when i was banned on saturday, i tried to find out what ive accused of. and i heard just a lot of people. i went to mediation with jacqi, and jacqi told me harms were talking about rafiq, i accidentally misgendered them. and that i was racist on sep 21 meeting. email from danielle said it was a vicious attack by me and yar. i have been coming the lists. when i first heard that accusation, i thought there must be something i said i forgot, but didnt find it. asking people to be more mindful, when these issues are brought, they are not brought up in bad faith. i get it im annoying im sorry, but to try and mobilize that against me because i do a lot of things or am present, or in way of political positions, and then not giving me any process of just <br />
* Muirén [in chat] - Carl's neutrality is rooted in both-side-ism. There is no neutrality within a society based on a gender and racialized class hierarchy. <br />
* Jems [in chat] - Can facilitator keep us on topic? I wasn't here in April <br />
* Sequoia [in chat]- Im thinking that since accusations of racism are current to the question of jakes ban, it could be relevant <br />
* Carl [in chat] - Muiren, I think you don't understand what I was saying. <br />
* arthur - very difficult to participate in these meetings as a single parent. can we keep it more concise<br />
* muirén - we need to get back to the survival of the facility<br />
* yar - nobody calling for jake to be immediately banned right now. we are all accepting that jake is currently in building and facts are going to investigated. the decision before us tonight, correct if im wrong, who is going to be delegate, and how will they vote on jamals contract<br />
* jake - i want to respond thats true<br />
* yar - in terms of what you are saying, i care about you and it has hurt me so much to see all this happening for the past or year or so. my understanding of what is happening is that i know you have strong antiracist beliefs but you are failing to live up to them because you are hurt<br />
* jake - can you be specific?<br />
* yar - youre hurt because of CLP<br />
* jake - i want you to be specific about harms<br />
* yar - hard when interrupted<br />
* jake - sorry<br />
* yar - i think you are so stuck because what CLP did to you was not okay. i am sorry i trusted them to be decent people. you are not seeing the impact of the other people. i understand your intention is not to be racist or transphobic<br />
* yar - the hyperfocus on yourself...<br />
* jemma - can facilitator step in? jake should not be interrupting<br />
* ally - i think its up to yar<br />
* yar - not a matter of respect, it just more efficient to let me keep going... i really do believe that the primary harm here, there are relatively small things at first with your interactions with people you have sociological privilege over. in your interactions with people where you center yourself so much, where you dont see other persons experience of you, the impact is racist transphobic and misogynistic. i was begging you to go to the meeting...<br />
* jake - i wasnt on agenda for the meeting, [i would've gone if it was]<br />
* paige - there are never agendas for the meetings [not happy about it but not peculiar]<br />
* yar - racism is when a person is harmed because they are a person of color. nothing to do with intent. if thats what happens, it our responsibility to not be part of that. and if we are too focused on ourselves to stop and think what we are doing, to stop and think how am i affecting the people around me, at some point that becomes racism, even if in your heart you believe in black liberation and antiracism. im willing to talk to you at length outside of this meeting. but i hope we can get to things we want to decide<br />
* jake - i am frustrated by being accused without examples. harmful to me. what i was just asking for, tell me what i did. and i got some abstract theory and thats frustrating to me<br />
* julie - me too, there are potentials of other loan sources<br />
* muirén [in chat] - Treat Jake and others like family members who've screwed up and need help to being functional family members. They can't learn better if we kick them out, divorce them. <br />
* Eva Galperin [in chat] - I don't think anyone has advocated for anything other than a very temporary ban, followed by an investigation. <br />
* Carl [in chat] - I have to leave, but want to say for later, that I have personally witnessed 2 instances where Jake was wrongfully accused of racism over the past few weeks. And I hope that Jake will not be banned or silenced at this point in time because everyone should be able to contribute their viewpoint regarding what to do about the Omni, and I want Jake to be unhindered from continuing to work on the LLC option or any other ways to help the Omni survive. We need "all hands on deck" for the survival of the Omni, and I hope we can get back to that goal. <br />
* jamal - speaking directly is sometimes helpful and meaningful. start with carl's commentary. i think it is harmful to suggest that he as a white male can say they werent the victim, truly. not anyone's space. not going to get into details. but we are debating something not in effect. in grand scheme of people in here, how useful is this to saving the building? i cant understand for the life of me how 1. ppl in this room has been on this board have not come up with something in 2 years, and 2. when people bring up things, there are no bans right now. there are behaviors that are troubling. my advice is attorney. behavior of one of the delegates, coming in late, not participating in group norms, disclosing info, acting like its a secret when it was meant to allow delegate communication. all of these impediments to finding 900k. im not here because i want money. im not here to unduly enrich myself. self centering illustrates why this hasnt worked. though i appreciate this conversation, wondering what the end goal was. why was it brought to a group of ppl who had nothing to do with the conversation? and not people who made the decision. harmful and absolutely toxic to bring everyone into conversation to this argument without first going to who you were referred to<br />
* arthur - can we please do the voting?<br />
* ally - i want to note that the facilitation im doing is not optimal. i dont know agenda. paige offered but is now busy taking notes. so yes not optimal. now people are calling for.. one of overarching issues that people have referenced, this question of omni and sudo as an anarchist face, how to balance what happens in anarchist space, these debates or centering of issues, or something that is very structured, like decision over what to do with omni. do want to try to do a better job to refocus on things that are an agenda<br />
* jemma - i understand that. thats why i pushed for myself being facilitator. because i have focused on keeping us on point. removing me to facilitator is one of those harms. very unfortunate consequence of our group. but i do appreciate you doing your best<br />
* elon - this is a question to go back to issue at hand. earlier mentioned that there was a possible lender. wanted to ask jamal if that is realistic<br />
* jamal - that org does that kind of work. i think its a possibility. but unpacking needed to be done rapidly. when you apply for grants, you need to talk to your fiscal solvency. part of what is going on right now is setting fundraising goals. also discussions on what fundraising goals. might very well be able to go forward with out a percentage partner. i dont think any particular idea has been shut down. people have been assigned in teams as solutions. what i offered is just one solution. well first, goal is talking to the original lender, ask for extension. then talk to the potential 10yr lender. people working on PP proposal. all of that is happening simultaneously<br />
* paige - we did a whiteboard session, land trust and llc were towards the top preferred option. not off the table<br />
* arthur - i want to acknowledge jems' request about it being harmful about mediator removal. i have taken it in but i dont need to hear it again<br />
* Muirén [in chat] - There it is again, the assumption we are an anarchist community, and that anarchy implies no structure or coherent processes. <br />
* Ed [in chat] - Can someone tell me what the vote total was on having Jems act as facilitor? I was screwing with hardware. <br />
* angl3a [in chat] - its in the notes <br />
* Jems [in chat] from the notes, straw poll to decide on jemma as facitilator, against - jake, eric, arthur, abstain - sierk, alex, philup, approve - yar, peter, sequioa, angela, paige, muirén <br />
* Ed [in chat] - Thanks <br />
* ally - limited interaction in omni and sudo, lack of process or procedures. even from entering the space. like step one disagree on what facilitator roles is. leads to conflict. disagreement on how voting works, or how to honor it. disagreements on how to move forward, what hierarchy is .<br />
* sequoia: i really want to take stock, which is we now have several individuals who feel wronged by other individuals, and more broadly at omni. Jamal said, really thoughtful: 1. i agree that there's a lot of self centering of hurt that's going on, in a public forum that needs to be putting its resources toward a bigger problem, jamal suggested that we go 1:1 with the other person, if you feel safe going directly to that person; we're all feeling the drain of how much it sucks for everybody all laundry in a public forum. Go directly to the people you have a conflict with and resolve as two adults. I personally believe the only person who is in a position to solve this problem is Jamal. I get that theres a lot of conflict right now, but Jamal is speaking the language of someone who can raise a million dollars, and patience, and i see that people have been hurt and i want to see how can we work on the pain that we have, and stop centering ourselves and our individual pain in this, the only person who can solve our building problems is Jamal, so we need to figure out how to accept Jamal.<br />
* yar - as much as i want to keep going into it, i want to offer, people should think if we have more questions for jamal, otherwise we should let jamal leave and then vote<br />
* anwar introduces himself<br />
* jamal - i want to offer the complication of this conversation. emotionally labor always exhausting. my phone is on and if people need to reach out to me, i encourage them to reach out to me. i dont think it was appropriate email sent out without me. want to uplift that love is liberatory. dont see that right. i see people talking past each other. i see people pouring gasoline. i dont want to come in here as someone wanting to get rid of people. but commentary, some of that is not true. i encourage you to have a convo with me about how love is liberatory. i don't think the investigation will happen quickly, need to interview people. i made commitment to do the right thing. sorry that has been skewed to be dishonest. call me, emails that referenced my name, hating ppl takes too much energy. constant fluctuation of delegates is bad. keep changing the matrix by which the board takes effective action. job is not to block or be retaliatory because u don't like someone. protect interests of organization. sudoroom rep is not repping sudoroom but stability of omni commons. those things over lap but it's important you have delegates that are consistent. jems and paige have been in those convos. i would caution and invite you to be weary of people that were only in the room for an hour and did some other stuff. we need stability. no matter what you decide, if you leave elevating hating someone, you doing the wrong thing. you shouldn't hate anybody. invite you to ? of love as a liberatory tool. select paige or jemma as delegate. importance of stability to apply for a million dollar loans. need to go. i appreciate everyone for putting their whole self. disagree with comments made in writing and in person. i love all of you. i invite you to community with me for a convo.<br />
* jamal (notes taken by difff person) patrik has only been consistent. changing matrix with which board makes action. ban not supposed to be retaliatory. job to protect fiduciary interest. not interest on sudo room, but rather financial stability of omni. importance of stability <br />
* muirén [in chat but left meeting by time it was read] - what is comment jamal's referring to?<br />
* jamal - yea not addressing that right now<br />
jamal leaves<br />
* jake - i have jamal's number, i called him on dec 20th. silver gave it to me. i had full trust and faith in jamal. i assumed that everything would make sense. since them he has destroyed any trust i could have in him. i know those are strong words.<br />
* eric - really sweet guy but accused of lying. <br />
* jake - did you send thing about executive power<br />
* jems - is the a proposal or draft<br />
* sequioia - there were certain things that were hearsay<br />
* eric - im not sure what he was saying hearsay. reading a letter from legal council<br />
* eric - *eric reads* notes will be in copied and pasted from via email<br />
* jemma - not proposal that's in front of delegates?<br />
* paige - summary of what jamal and lawyer talked about. delegates spend next meeting discussing then hold out for a vote for week after. <br />
* jemma - misleading. not proposal. draft. communication from lawyer. started talking about jamal when he left the room. shouldn't be our delegate. <br />
* arthur - told it's true then not true, please don't gaslight me in a public setting<br />
* jemma - nobody gaslighting, saying what's true. not a proposal.<br />
* sierk - i explicitly asked to be able to hear his text to be read, i would like that to be taken into account, i don't care if its a proposal, this is what we have right now, and this information is helpful and thats why i asked for it to be read out loud<br />
* yar - thank you for reading the email. i think it was clear to me that it was from a lawyer, responding second hand. this is first time i have heard these words. i think we should take lawyers advice in how to structure the percentage. because that will be functionally what jamal wanted. i understand you are probably worried about the power to ban people<br />
* jemma - i think its not okay to say its a proposal<br />
* room says thats understood<br />
* yar - are we voting if we wanting to generally agree with an ed then vote on contract next week?<br />
* paige - think we want to vote as soon as possible so he can start working. john said it's the send of the room that we want to go forward with contract. toan corrected we're not voting to approve it, approving to talk to a lawyer. could choose to vote yes to a contract tomorrow.<br />
* sequoia - i think eric made it clear that it was not a proposal. i did not feel that was misleading. jemma i think it was inappropriate to say eric was misleading people. in general, for an ED to be able to meet with a people who have a lot of money. those people will need broad authority. but do not support ability to ban 2 individuals. part that board can veto is important. we must have some ability to negotiate the contract. * jake - i think it is a very good question, what are we voting on? i agree with what sequoia said that everything, personally im very invested in request for power to ban people from omni, not in line with our values. want to formally say no to that. in general terms, for me and mysterious other person. sudo room should not give up its ability to say what the omni commons should do. that should be clarified in the proposal, given lawyer said he didnt know how to do that. compiler error. we should be formal that we dont agree to any contract. in theory that is a delay but we have meetings every week<br />
* julie - what sequoia was talking about being ok with jamal in general having power, talking to fancy people, but I do not agree with his ability to ban people, i think that goes against what he was saying about not knowing people long enough to hate us, then why you need power to ban people . Sudoroom can discuss on how to ban people later. that valid concern and not open our space to people who make unsafe, but i worry about giving him unilateral ability to ban because..<br />
* anwar - two things, from my understanding, any ban that jamal would make would be appealable to the board. i wonder if thats enough, if someone is causing problems and getting in the way, doing CLP like blockading, useful to stop that asap, given board can undo. lawyer did specifically say he is not an employment specialist. i want to be careful about putting too much stock in that statement of him being unclear<br />
* peter - boards override ED. ED serves at the pleasure of the board<br />
* thomas - question, this lawyer is our lawyer or sudos lawyer? <br />
* our lawyer<br />
* thomas - should we get one? in terms of dissolution of omni <br />
* eric - we are trying to avoid dissolution<br />
* alex - recommendation to the board to look into his resume. <br />
* paige - there were working groups created. john patrick and me write counterproposal. i was tasked to get his resume and we sent it to that group.<br />
* sequoia? - we don't have a contract yet. i feel like the ban discussion is a distraction. nobody liked idea of executive ban. suggest we keep an eye but don't need to talk bout it unless it actually shows up in proposed contract<br />
* jake - someone said that talking about the ban that the delegates could have reversed that. as in email i was told the only avenue i had to appeal was to talk to jamal. i experienced during this ban was to talk to jamal. after jamal disconnected, i dont feel like i can trust him. i wish that could be repaired. there was a situation where board didnt have power. <br />
* paige - you were sent that by delegate. he is taking this ed role seriously. he's gonna be making a lot of moves and it's up the board to appeal.<br />
* - no one says no you're fired<br />
* facilitator - this could go on indefinitely, when to cut it off? i don't understand. are we decideing whether to vote right now? what agenda issues?<br />
* alex - status quo? paige good delegate? (some yesses)<br />
* philip - i'm not making judgements about Jamal but anyone with the power to ban people, whats to stop them from banning the whole board<br />
* eric - they're only asking for power to ban 2 people<br />
* angl3a - second alex's proposal to do status quo. vote of confidence in paige<br />
* alex - right now 2 delegates, status quo, continue with that?<br />
* eric - yes its us two, paige and i<br />
* jake - i want us to clarify what we want the delegate to do specifically and generally. i really believe in delegates reflecting the will of collectives. having been a delegate in the past, i still made an effort to make emails about votes. in this case there was discussion about if delegate is interest in SR or OC. clear about that. somebody might go with whats best for OC, but that conflicts with people here. other thing i want to point out is agenda item is voting for media lab. last thing pointed out. clarify what we want our delegate to say. what kind of things stands, delegate should say "i wont step into something without sudo room." <br />
* paige - can make decision that sudoroom blocks everything tomorrow<br />
* sequoia - love it if we didn't do that<br />
* paige - how much delegate is beholden to their collective varies among collectives. i.e. patrik has a lot more agency in how he votes. seen bigotry in ccl where he brings them into more consensus building and put out fires. i'm trying to work towards more consensus building. thinking about what is best for sudoroom as a space in omni, how to be making sudo room the most welcoming and achieve goals listed on wiki. as opposed to just representing loudest voices in jake ban complaining email list. im thinking also about the best going forward for omni commons where there's a lot of divisiveness and people burning out. so i have been voting that way but acknowledge that the ed thing requires more discussion with group.<br />
* facilitator - discussions about what delegacy is, is big topic<br />
* angl3a - i want a vote in confidence of paige<br />
* eric - i feel erased by this vote<br />
* sequoia - eric is a delegate and paige is a delegate. i want to find a path forward with jamal. i understand eric might not feel that way. i guess my question is... we talked about if delegates should represent group, so could take a straw poll. eric would comfortable to looking at a contract with jamal if we dont support non-ban.<br />
* eric - i would look at any proposal. i am deeply hesitant about any authoritarian structure. departure from status quo. im not into any sort of king but i know we are in dire straits right now. <br />
* cere and al joins<br />
* sequoia - personally im looking for something stronger. i think no one equipped to solve problems except jamal.<br />
* jake - just to say im in favor too. only issue has been this personal issue and banning issue. thats my only problem. other concerns i have. but only thing i think is important. maybe he is really good to communicate with people<br />
* sequoia - i would want to send a delegate who is open to resolving these conflicts in a way towards finding a solution to work with jamal. <br />
* eric - im here to represent sudo room. i want to see this space continue. but to me, sudo room is not this building. sudo room was a community before this space. not gonna sacrifice our group for a fucking building. even if we lose this space, it's just four walls. <br />
* peter - I'll offer a counter, if we are going impassioned appeals. In spirit of the omni collective, the reason why sudo room is a core and founding member is this idea of stronger together. my repair work requires other parts of building. i cant function without media lab. ccl next to us. if this space goes away its not coming back. sudo room and omni commons are inextricably connected. unreasonable to lose that. antithetical to all the core values. and still people think they can walk away with something? i dont see it<br />
* sequoia - i no longer support idea that we can dissolve the building. i was moved by what PP said. asset to the building. crime that we could let this building go. used to think we could leave but no longer see that as ethical. eric i really appreciate you but i think you are too close to the conflict. <br />
* ally - i feel like paige spoke already. on how they feel consensus building. we should expedite. <br />
* paige - gets messy with who is the voter if the two delegates dont agree<br />
* jake - hopefully they agree<br />
* eric and paige can establish rules for if they don't agree<br />
* paige - personally very against foreclosure. sudoroom is space i spend time in so i'm invested it but we need a different way of organizing. personally appreciate some of the slowness of decision making because allows for more voices, but i feel we cant open up that can of worms right now. we need an ED to make moves faster because this is just too slow right now in time of emergency<br />
* angl3a - i move to vote for confidence in paige<br />
* yar - i came into this meeting kind neutral. but now have concern about eric represening marginalized people. based on how you have been interacting with people.<br />
* eric- can you be more specific?<br />
* yar - look around you. <br />
* eric - i am<br />
* yar - who you seem to be listening to and who you seem to be fighting with. reached a threshold for me. <br />
* eric - the complaints are too non specific<br />
* sequoia - someone can say they are not <br />
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=== vote in confidence of delegates ===<br />
Are ppl are comfortable with status quo (eric and paige codelegate)<br />
* in favor: 13<br />
* opposed: 4 <br />
* abstain: 3<br />
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== media lab proposal ==<br />
* paige - .... they want to change some of the space. pallavi is the proposed delagate. group bringing new energy and new faces, super in support. reccomend you all go down there. $800, they want to have a vote and should have one.<br />
* yar - i love the media lab. been holding this space for so long. <br />
* paige - want to address elephant in room, maybe what is being passed around on laptop but idk. pallavi is someone we paid to be our fundraiser. there has been skepticism of pallavi, conspiracy that she is just here to get pp in. she said she cares a lot about racial justice. in meeting, letting this building get demolished came up, discussion about how that is a blatant form of gentrification. she was responding it would be racist if you didn't accept a black org in that context of foreclosure, she got fired up about racial equity. i had more discussion with her, she's in favor of counterproposals, not backing a full control thing. would have helped if you talked with her. not just "she called me racist now i'm attacked and cancelled". respect for pallavi, advising us more things we should be asking jamal. no lack of trust and wish people would talk to her wihout asking her to leave.<br />
* peter - work we do in here works really well with what they do out there. other grants we tap into if we can get act together. so much money we can tap in to. $130 million of state money available to tap into as a resilency hub. also we should look at this media lab proposal in context of gender equity issues. predominately female there. for no other reason, bring in that collective<br />
* muiren [in chat] - Yeah Media Lab! <br />
* arthur - clarifying, rental in the basement? and that extra space also in the basement? are we voting on that?<br />
* paige - only voting on them occupying space they are already occupying. situation with money is complicated, a lot of leniency in rent. i.e. we gave someone $200 to move in, then later required to be paid more once set up and making funds. media lab paying $500, now want to pay $800 they expanded. i dont know if that was asked but i dont see it as a problem, it was unused uncared for space. $800 seems very fair. food not bombs paying $500 with closed door rooms. media lab has no closed doors. basement is $1/sq ft for no windows, $2/sq ft. with windows. area they want to be moving into at a later point of time is another area in the basement that is currently full of crap, so they would clean it up and pay $100 more for it. can show you the space if you want<br />
* ed - can you describe what media lab does?<br />
* yar - they host sewing and jewelry and screenprint making workshops and other related artistic classes and workshops.<br />
* peter - and Cece has aspirations to teach textile engineering down there, a whole element of workplace development, really interesting things, she's built parachutes for ZipLine which sends medical goods to third world countries<br />
* kent - Cece is a stand-up individual<br />
* yar - when they do their cohorts, when they end they do fashion shows in ballroom. most affirming thing i see in this building<br />
* sequoua - i didn't even realize it was the sewing people, Cece, i learn so much, i would be heartbroken if sudoroom ever separated from this group, it's an incredible technology, all of you are wearing clothes - i hope<br />
* yar - i only wear computer parts<br />
* arlo - my name is arlo<br />
* jake - hold on he doesn't know the situation o just kidding<br />
* ally - anyone voting no? no one says no, so passed. <br />
Muirén [in chat] - My interest in Media Lab is Tech Couture, smart textiles, and using tech like intricate laser cut linoleum to print fabric. <br />
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== vote on ed contract == <br />
* thomas - vote if contract allows banning<br />
* yar - our current safe space policy is anyone can ban other people. if threat of physical violence. people to not have to call the police. need to be able to shove people out of the building. i would hope jamal would still be able to do that. just want to say we all have ability to ban unilaterally<br />
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'''Vote:''' no ban power: resolve that sudoroom will not ratify any contract with any executive officer that confers ability to unilaterally ban people <br />
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* anwar - does it count if the banned person has the ability to appeal to the board<br />
* alex - the issue isn't the unilateral ban power, it's that there are two specific individuals that are unnamed in the contract<br />
* eric - i think this is the most efficient way to do it <br />
* arthur - can reach in who can <br />
* ally - from my limited understanding, jamal was the one who reversed the ban on jake. so seems it was not in his immediate interest<br />
* thomas - i feel that the process should be, you have to go to the group first, if someone is giving a problem and they're in that group, then you have to go to that group and ask them they have to take care of that person<br />
* paige - the omni commons has a conflict approval process, in order to ban ... delegates have power to ban them: requires 2/3 approval of the delegates. conflict stewards need to present at the meeting. there is a process already. we can't limit ban discussions to sudo, sometimes conflicts are not isolated inside of one collective.<br />
* anwar - i disagree the..<br />
* paige - conflict resolution policy as is does benefit the person who is a accused. the person accused gets to stick around in the space and the people accusing have to go through this long drawn out process. find conflict steward and mediator, omni has facilitated that, no structure in place. a lot of conflict sessions. no group to collect all of these<br />
* ally - people don't come to meetings because there if there is no mediation. not comfortable having these one on one meetings, nobody who is a mediator, stressful role, have to be trusted by both people, not some rando either, then 3-4 hour public meetings, time both peopel feel somewhat safe and seen. <br />
* sequoia - i was going to say, this experience means we need a clear process for conflict resolution. i want to say we've been here 3 plus hours. we can say ed cant have unilateral ban power. clearly delineated and approved plan for conflict resolution that could result in ban after process in completed. agree no unilateral ban power. should we resolve that we will in the future develop a better ban process in the future?. ask to be done with the meeting<br />
* vote no on this resolution?: 2<br />
* yar: vote no but not blocking. need to trust jamal to do what he needs to do. board by law would have authority to override. no contract you can sign to take away delegate's right to do that. <br />
* another no<br />
* anwar - voting on a hypothetical, better to vote on a proposal ahead of us. <br />
* thomas - we are voting on guidance for the delegate<br />
* if you're going to say that anyone can unilateral ban anyone then that applied to jamal. <br />
* ally - i think its important, very basic things are lacking. what is the default? majority voting not even clear in sudo room. two urgent issues happening tomorrow, i think it would it would be possible to have quicker response. then afterwards people who want to stay can stay to discuss the minutia. no structure like that established. imminent urgent voting.<br />
* alex - well jamal was here for earlier part of meeting<br />
* yar - if you are going to block a facilitator, you should have someone ready to come in<br />
* jems - i have facilitated before and kept us on time. i got help, we have long topics. i should have been facilitator after majority vote.<br />
* peter - every day we dawdle, options close in. i asked for status update on the finances. there is a finance meeting that you can come to. we need everyone's A game about how we figure out how to save this building<br />
* jake - apologize to jems for them being harmed by my objection to them being facilitator. still stand by my decision. sorry you were harmed.<br />
* yar - what are you apologizing for<br />
* jake - apologize for harming them<br />
* jems - do not accept that apology. failure of 3 hours.<br />
* arthur - i have no trust in jems being a facilitator ever again. not how you build trust in front of new people<br />
* eric - [snaps]<br />
* jems - trust has been destroyed. i have never met you, appreciate you showed up, also in context of the stress of parenting<br />
* arthur - you are lying<br />
* jems - dont appreciate your comments<br />
* arthur - removal from email servers<br />
* ally - this is spiraling. this should mediating. we should end meeting but people who want to stay should stay. <br />
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=== discontinuity, below notes are from much earlier ===<br />
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paige - explained pov<br />
* jake - nobody can know what happened in that saturday meeting because dont know from notes<br />
* jake - also jemma shouldnt be facilitator because she accused me of racism, transphobia and misogyny since jake didn't want them to be facilitator</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2024-01-10&diff=12381Meeting Notes 2024-01-102024-01-15T00:32:08Z<p>Jerkey: Reverted edits by Paigep (talk) to last revision by Jerkey</p>
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<div>= Attendees =<br />
== in person ==<br />
* paige: they/them been a delegate 4-5 times recently and first came in 2021<br />
* alex - he/him<br />
* eric: answer. codelegate with paige<br />
* elon - first time yesterday<br />
* arthur - here often but my parenting schedule has never lined up<br />
* sierk<br />
* alex<br />
* jake<br />
* ccl - [who was this?]<br />
* ally - he/him not part of sudoroom but have been exploring omni commons. free store volunteer. ally as in alliance<br />
* peter - he/him<br />
* jason - he/him<br />
* yar - she/her, part of sudoroom since halloween 2012, first meeting, really hope we can save the building and prevent it from getting sold off, need to be on same page<br />
== online ==<br />
* sequioa: she/her aka taylor is fine too, sudoroom member since 2019, really looking forward to getting us on the same page and finding solutions to our big problems<br />
* jems - they/them delegate til recently . stepped down as delegate<br />
* angl3a: they/them/she/her OG sudoroom member since before we moved here, monday and tuesday nights<br />
* carl: he/him. been since the early days<br />
* ed [in chat] - mic not working and needs to find webcam<br />
* philip chin<br />
* julie meyerson: <br />
* muiren: first discovered sudo room late 2016 and when i asked about joining the amount for dues quoted more than i can afford. didnt see due requirement anymore. asked whether there was low income arrangement for membership and they invited me to visit and get to know people. difficult to find anyone who spell out onboarding process and what expectations were. thats been frustrating, nailing that down, making it clear what that feels like when showing up, just dont know whats going on. no sense of hospitality or intentional inclusion. weird thing for a progressive community, to not see the value of doing these things<br />
* julie - part of SR for a little over a year now<br />
* phil - been a member for about a year. do electronics and fix peoples stuff<br />
* eva<br />
* will<br />
== arrived late == <br />
* kent<br />
* thomas<br />
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= Roles = <br />
* facilitator - ally<br />
* notetakers - paige, angela, jake<br />
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= Agenda =<br />
== straw poll to decide on facitilator ==<br />
Jemma volunteered to be facilitator at beginning of meeting. Was contentious. Decided to take a vote<br />
Vote to have Jemma act as facilitator<br />
* opposed - jake, eric, arthur<br />
* abstain - sierk, alex philip chin<br />
* approve - yar, peter, sequioa, angela, paige, muiren<br />
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We agree to Paige as facilitator. But Paige is taking notes so needs help<br />
angela support with notetaking and process<br />
Also Ally offered as facilitator, and he ended up doing most of it<br />
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== ask for agenda items ==<br />
* sequioia - want us to be mindful about level of emotion. see each other in good faith. work from a space of good faith.<br />
*jemma - issue that i'm being removed as facilitator. contributes to harm done in our space.<br />
* peter - would like to have an update of where we stand on foreclosure<br />
* jake - discussing handing over power to ED should be first<br />
* carl - jems please dont take offense, doesnt mean your not a good facilitator. the whole goal is to be neutral. and if someone doesnt think thats the case, dont take offense. <br />
* muiren - no clue why jemma is not facilitator<br />
* jemma - we are based on removing people based off who was harmed. small cliques in our group continuing to cause harm. if they are going to silence people, if we dont address, our collective wont be going on<br />
* eric - we shouldn't silence anyone, yea.... <br />
* yar - from what i heard, they are objecting because jemma named called out racism, transphobia and misogny<br />
* jake - no, there are several reasons<br />
* someone calls out jake for interrupting<br />
* yar - i interrupted him before its okay. even if that's only one of the reasons, not acceptable to object on that<br />
* jake - if someone is making false claims based off bad faith about me that is bad.<br />
* yar - its not<br />
* jake - if they arent, then they can enumerate. if its based off of racism then they should join<br />
* jemma - i should facilitate, majority in favor<br />
* angela - i want us to get along, maybe if paige was faciliator people would think it is fair. should we hear jemma out or do a vote?<br />
* sequioa - i voted in favor but i dont want... i just want a facilitator that does not cause... jems i do see u got a majority vote. one problem i have with our org is we do not have a process. i would support a straw poll to <br />
* carl - question from jamal<br />
* jamal - little bit of disagreement on who is facilitator. either i can go to that other meeting now and come back or speak now. i am jamal taylor. board at the last meeting told me to come on given the financial nature the org is in. at current we owe $880k to our lender. we might get a default letter any day that will evict us. when i talked to counsel today, he said patience has run out with the lender. to the extent that it matters to me, priority needs to be saving the building, without finding someone else to do that. i think there are avenues by raising money. and that would come through a set of organizations. there is one that can make a 10 year loan, but we are against a barrel of a gun. things have been communicated to me, we have 4k in the bank. major problem for a building this size. what matters to me is that this building can function. need heads down focused on saving this building. to the extent i have heard, about my qualifications or ability. i will say to you as ed requirement must always be as little distraction as possible. self centering these past 4 weeks, sends signal of where our priorities are. someone came to me with a complaint as ED given a decision made by the board, i took an action to ameliorate by engaging in a thoughtful review. i would invite everyone to be very careful of language used talking to people outside this org, as well as those inside of it. no money if we are sued. many skew toward libel and slander. very mindful how we engage with each other. my priority is that we can afford this building. <br />
* jems - question, you said you had a way for an org to bring in money? is that one of current proposals? what is that direction?<br />
* jamal - cannot share all details. i want to clear up something brought up before, im not going to blindly accept any idea. when i asked for procurement of money from other proposals, nobody was able to show something. the org i am talking to now has money, they have given 2-3 million dollar loans. i do have connections with congressman who knows someone on that board. my hope is 10yr loan. problem is we had 10 yrs to pay back this loan and were not able to. i will say, when i go to the board, i think we ask for 1.75 mil, to secure loan and repair things that need to be repaired. ballroom needs some work, plumbing electrical code things. no staff members. we have 4k in bank and cant pay people. what i was told in the board, i would raise my own money to pay salary. counsel and i talked and we would set that salary to cap at a global norm. another thing important to name, people are saying I know PP. i do not. i do not operate with fear or favor. several people in this room can vouch i have been critical of things in their proposal. i would ask people to really consider what is important right now. not about "i dont like that person"<br />
* jamal - i can not share who the lender is. i have shared it with one board member. im not going to share because of some of the behaivor i have seen in ppl misconstruing what the board did. lack of communication about the true place we are <br />
* sequoia - glad you are here jamal, i really appreciate how focused you are on solving the big problem right in front of us. you are really articulate and skilled. im friends with jake and was concerned about how the ban occured. my understanding if you think someone is a problem in SR, do we have a process or if something made on fly, it feels improper. wondering if you could comment? my biggest wish, it seems now like there are two sides on the ban. where jake doesnt want to be banned, and also doesnt trust you. wonder if we could give each other a second chance.<br />
* jamal - thanks for that question. to the extent that i will talk about an investigation or set of complaints - i wont. i dont think appropriate space to do that. nor do i think, i dont think way people shared it ?? part of the problem, there are no systems whatsoever. everything seems devoid in this building. therefore my focus on what is going forward. my understanding 30-60 days. to the extent that i have to excuse people of their complaints, i will not. i think it would be inappropriate to mention those complaints in this space. to the extent that people are welcome to speak to me, they would know i am welcome to any conversation. there have been several invitations. im not opposed to conversation, but i think quite frankly, i dont know anyone well enough to prejudge them. i have seen in complaints so far, i have gotten a series of complaints from a lot of people. serious effort being spent on trying to save the building. where a complaint was raised to me, i took an action that i thought was appropriate. im prepared to answer that question but not in a firing squad, and where someone doesnt try to reach out to me. things come up in terms of complaints, we hear complaints of any sort of discrimination, that can put us into a precarious position. any individual is welcome to call me as long as they are respectful and appropriate to me, as i will to them.<br />
*jemma: in terms of giving ppl second chances, i have a problem because i am being attacked for the fact of pointing out that other people have had issues. i am removed after majority vote to be facilitator. more harm done by same individuals that caused harm. we need resorative justice, temporary ban is not permanent. not a "purge" or a "removal" or "silencing", it is a harm reduction strategy. still being targetted towards trans people, and people of color. tiring and exhausting. if sudo room wants to move forward, as antimisognistic, antiracist. i do not believe there should be second chances. i am now being targeted with nothing factual.<br />
* yar - i want to clarify what my understanding is. on saturday board of delegates voted to ban jake temporarily for 3 months. after that there was an uproar because it escalated to the mailing list. jamal someone we thought to hire, he saw that as a distraction, so he wanted to dissolve that, again pending some sort of investigation he would take on. he was going to supply the things you were asking for. you wanted it to be on facts, on reality. thats where jamal is coming from. and as it stands now you are not banned, and that was jamal's decision<br />
* eric - i want to dovetail. it was me who first raised issues on the meeting. i also have communication from our lawyer, where he indicated specifics of which jamal said he wants to ban two specific people. does a lot to erode my thinking that this would impartial. this would be another show trial. i am resistant to authority, and abandoning omni as horizontal space <br />
* yar - never has been<br />
* eric - electing a ruler we will live under, under this supervision, this fear of... am i unmutual and i will be banned as well too. these accusations fly around, today i was told i was transphobic and misogynistic. this is not my heart, i see no evidence of this stuff in the space. these words just get thrown around. have trouble with going foraward with this ED <br />
* jamal - what counsel told you that i said, is hearsay. and 2nd, some members of the board were in our convo on that day, and there was conversation on what my authority would be. as a person who has worked for some of largest school districts in country, i cant understand that in the face of, we regularly find ourselves becoming the victim when people call us out on behaviors that are de facto, cant stop long enough to look in mirror and and hear what people are saying. 1. a board had a responsibility to privacy, people who have served on as trustees, should know that and 2. agreeing to group norms then violating those norms is not acceptable and 3. dishonest statements outside of meetings are not acceptable. those discussions were made outside of the board. if there is suggestion that someone has spoke to me. im going to say as black gay man, im going to take up space i need. i wont let people paint me as an angry black man to be a victim. i ask you to do what you like to do in sudo room, and let the people doing the work do their work. one thing if people dont like me, but to the extent to think im on a witch hunt? not a priority of mine. grasping at trying to be a victim from me is exhausting. happy to help with getting a grant, but to the effect that have i gotten more than 10 complaints about a person? absolutely. and messages about something sent out untrue? absolutely. happy to ask an attorney to do it if you think you dont trust me. there are emails, text messages, voice memo, happy to turn those over. that might be the better option. do i have time to be going back and forth? my goal right now is 900k. <br />
* jems - responding to eric here, my attacks not based on feeling. not attacks, just callouts. you asked muslim POC to be remvoed from our meeting and didnt say it out loud. when you target only POC who is muslim in room thats a problem. caused 40 minutes delay. if they continue to support racism it's a probelm<br />
* paige - we don't have time for this discussion. this is a temporary break, was best decision to allow us to move forward. i would be much more willing to discuss, what do we do when there's a conflict pushing people out. right now as is, with no structure or process and based off emails, the accused is the one who gets to be more comfortable staying, while accusers are the ones who are pushed away from space. in other spaces, much more normalized behavior of if someone asks you to take a break, u just do. not take it personally like a purge. again, if the emails or questioning was on something like "3 months is too much", or brought up something about the conflict resolution policy, i would not be saying this. but the response went straight to personal attacks, denying any harm done, and conspiracy theories. no specifics were given out but this conspiracy theory was made so quickly that jamal forced us into this vote and its a power grab. so, we can talk about policies but going forward, i think we should be following with conflict resolution, and conflict steward will report to the board.<br />
* arthur - if he were in this job, what would be the philosophy or response if foreclosure to happen?<br />
* yar - thats should be for delegate not ED<br />
* jamal - yar is right, but i can speak for myself. responsibility for assets belongs, in a 501c3, authority for money and budgeting goes to the board. but for situations that just need to be fixed, ED should authorize without approval, typically with a cap of something like $500. in case of foreclosure, too will be messy and complicated, because no process in place for dispensation of assets. i would advise to ask counsel. question is - what about past collectives who have left the space? that is beyond my expertise.<br />
* arthur - thank you i appreciate precise answer<br />
* carl - i want to thank for mediation so far. this is a question about ED, the plan how you get paid. is that related to some percentage? is that legal or ok?<br />
* jamal - counsel is finding the set norm. what is norm for ED in this size, is setting a salary. problem is there is no money right now. what would happen, i would pay myself only after the bills are paid. <br />
* carl - i think we'd love to have you help us to help us get loans and grants, but is it necessary for what help you are giving us, is it necessary that you be ED? <br />
* jamal - absolutely. you have had two extensions from the lender. in those 2 years we paid almost nothing. they're not going to take the constant slow crawling decision making process that has been going on. not going to accept lower than ED given confusion in this building right now. and we have a grant writer already.<br />
* julie - im sorry for my confusion. hearing both SR and OC used interchangeably. if they did end up splitting, where does your loyalty go to?<br />
* jamal - no im not hired by SR, Im hired by OC. point i was trying to make earlier, i dont care what happens in SR. technical language: sudo room is a tenant of the building, not my business what it does. if there are complaints that spill outside, where there are complaints are coming from outside sr, and how does sr handle those complaints. thats where we do have some overlap. <br />
* paige - clarification, sudo room isn't a tenant, its a fiscally sponsored project of OC<br />
* seuqioa - point agreed with paige about emails. what ive seen in email list has been wild accusations about people being targetted, a lot of stuff that i want us.. as jamal has emphasized. important thing isnt feelings of individual members. we need to raise over $1 million. feel like we have really big problems is that the last hour and 20mins of meeting has been a lot of hurt and finger pointing. i really want to see people, we need to find ways of being more calm about what is happening. last thing, i want to support what jems said, if someone accused. if someone says 'you're an asshole'. good response is to say 'how am i being an asshole?' this applies to transphobia and racism. if someone says you're racist say 'oh what did i do?' ability to do that without having your guard up and being personally injured by the claim is so important. otherwise we will be arguing till the building burns down.<br />
* ally - two new folks in<br />
* kent and thomas introduce themselves<br />
* jamal - im going to be very brief. amount of capacity you are spending, i appreciate the emotional lift going on. i have some rhetorical questions for you. if youve seen any email ive written, you know ive invited conversation. i have made that space available. i have not gotten any responses from 4-5 of the ppl I specifically reached out to. question is why not? 2nd question, why do i feel that in this space, it feels like weaponization of your time to be engaging in this conversation when there hasn't been a person to person conversation first. i would tell you it concerns me that this place has been weaponized in this way. it would seem to me, if you had something you want to talk to me about, you have not. im confused as to why, as a human people, why space is being taken up in this way. i would ask you to ask yourself, why in the moment, why werent those raised. fundamentally confused because a process was offered. to be made whole was offered. what benefit does this have to you when this building owes the money it does<br />
* muiren [in chat] - funding social adminstration is as important as brick and mortar infrastructure<br />
* jemma - because of this harm, im now getting messages about mediation. if i had been facilitator we could have been going forward faster. but no factual reason for removing me. and now talking about mediation? mediation is we need to remove people who have done harm. i have done nothing that has harmed anyone. delegate in the past. need to remove people who have done harm. but i dont want this to be a back room deal. bothered i was attacked today because i had been harmed. to be targetted that way tonight is deeply disturbing and expanding upon harms. you should not behave this way and should be not tolerated by other collective members. calling for accountability as our own collective. <br />
* ally - what is your proposal, as in for a ban or time period? im asking, not to say im in agreement<br />
* jemma - im asking for removal of eric as delegate<br />
* ally - no ban?<br />
* jemma - im interested in investigation of those harms. no silencing or talking over each other. not allowing racism transphobia misogyny<br />
* carl - jems asking you not being facilitator is not targetting. i dont agree with that. a facilitator needs to to take a neutral position. youre not taking a neutral posiition. whether you are justified or not, views on what harms been done to you. simple reason why you were asked to not be facilitator. not to silence you. you have had opportunities to stay your piece. <br />
* jake - i want to say that there are a lot of instances of vague accusations of raism transphobia nad mysoginy. all real issues. actual things that happen. if i do something that are these things, i want to know about it. i agree with seq. right response is to ask what have i done. but in situations when its clear to me that it is to silence and ban me from my community, dont agree on who we give building to or who we partner with. that said there are lots of opportunities for the many times i was accused of racism and islamophobia, over and over with CLP and yar. i have asked for them to tell me what i have done wrong, they dont, they whip up a fervor, in terms of CLP they doxxed me and put flyers around. rafiq calls me racist for not giving CLP immediate status as collective. as far back as april these accusations here, but i have asked many times and they dont have anything. clear to me its a accusations to silence me and purge attempt. when i was banned on saturday, i tried to find out what ive accused of. and i heard just a lot of people. i went to mediation with jacqi, and jacqi told me harms were tlaking about rafiq, i accidentally misgendered them. and that i was racist on sep 21 meeting. email from danielle said it was a vicious attack by me and yar. i have been coming the lists. when i first heard that accusation, i thought there must be something i said i forgot, but didnt find it. asking people to be more mindful, when these issues are brought, they are not brought up in bad faith. i get it im annoying im sorry, but to try and mobilize that against me because i do a lot of things or am present, or in way of political positions, and then not giving me any process of just <br />
* Muirén [in chat]:Carl's neutrality is rooted in both-side-ism. There is no neutrality within a society based on a gender and racialized class hierarchy. <br />
* Jems [in chat]: Can facilitator keep us on topic? I wasn't here in April <br />
* Sequoia [in chat]: Im thinking that since accusations of racism are current to the question of jakes ban, it could be relevant <br />
* Carl [in chat]: Muiren, I think you don't understand what I was saying. <br />
* arthur - very difficult to participate in these meetings as a single parent. can we keep it more concise<br />
* muiren - we need to get back to the survival of the facility<br />
* yar - nobody calling for jake to be immediately banned right now. we are all accepting that jake is currently in building and facts are going to investigated. the decision before us tonight, correct if im wrong, who is going to be delegate, and how will they vote on jamals contract<br />
* jake - i want to respond thats true<br />
* yar - in terms of what you are saying, i care about you and it has hurt me so much to see all this happening for the past or year or so. my understnading of what is happening is that i know you have strong antiracist beliefs but you are failing to live up to them because you are hurt<br />
* jake - can you be specifc?<br />
* yar - youre hurt because of CLP<br />
* jake - i want you to be specific about harms<br />
* yar - hard when interrupted<br />
* jake - sorry<br />
* yar - i think you are so stuck because what CLP did to you was not okay. i am sorry i trusted them to be decent people. you are not seeing the impact of the other people. i understand your intention is not to be racist or transphobic<br />
* yar - the hyperfocus on yourself...<br />
* jemma - can facilitator step in? jake should not be interrupting<br />
* ally - i think its up to yar<br />
* yar - not a matter of respect, it just more efficient to let me keep going... i really do believe that the primary harm here, there are relatively small things at first with your interactions with people you have sociological privilege over. in your interactions with people where you center yourself so much, where you dont see other persons experience of you, the impact is racist transphobic and misogynistic. i was beggin you to go to the meeting...<br />
* jake - i wasnt on agenda for the meeting, [i would've gone if it was]<br />
* paige - there are never agendas for the meetings [not happy about it but not peculiar]<br />
* yar - racism is when a person is harmed because they are a person of color. nothing to do with intent. if thats what happens, it our responsibility to not be part of that. and if we are too focused on ourselves to stop and think what we are doing, to stop and think how am i affecting the people around me, at some point that becomes racism, even if in your heart you believe in black liberation and antiracism. im willing to talk to you at length outside of this meeting. but i hope we can get to things we want to decide<br />
* jake - i am frustrated by being accused without examples. harmful to me. what i was just asking for, tell me what i did. and i got some abstract theory and thats frustrating to me<br />
* julie - me too, there are potentials of other loan sources<br />
* muiren [in chat] - Treat Jake and others like family members who've screwed up and need help to being functional family members. They can't learn better if we kick them out, divorce them. <br />
* Eva Galperin [in chat] - I don't think anyone has advocated for anything other than a very temporary ban, followed by an investigation. <br />
* Carl [in chat] - I have to leave, but want to say for later, that I have personally witnessed 2 instances where Jake was wrongfully accused of racism over the past few weeks. And I hope that Jake will not be banned or silenced at this point in time because everyone should be able to contribute their viewpoint regarding what to do about the Omni, and I want Jake to be unhindered from continuing to work on the LLC option or any other ways to help the Omni survive. We need "all hands on deck" for the survival of the Omni, and I hope we can get back to that goal. <br />
* jamal - speaking directly is sometimes helpful and meaningful. start with carls commentary. i think it is harmful to suggest that he as a white male can say they werent the victim, truly. not anyones space. not going to get into details. but we are debating something not in effect. in grand scheme of people in here, how useful is this to saving the building? i cant understand for the life of me how 1. ppl in this room has been on this board have not come up with something in 2 years, and 2. when people bring up things, there are no bans right now. there are behaviors that are troubling. my advice is attorney. behavior of one of the delegates, coming in late, not participating in group norms, disclosing info, acting like its a secret when it was meant to allow delegate communication. all of these impediments to finding 900k. im not here because i want money. im not here to unduly enrich myself. self centering illustrates why this hasnt worked. though i appreciate this conversation, wondering what the end goal was. why was it brought to a group of ppl who had nothing to do with the conversation? and not people who made the decision. harmful and absolutely toxic to bring everyone into conversation to this argument without first going to who you were referred to<br />
* arthur - can we please do the voting?<br />
* ally - i want to note that the facilitation im doing is not optimal. i dont know agenda. paige offered but is now busy taking notes. so yes not optimal. now people are calling for.. one of overarching issues that people have referenced, this question of omni and sudo as an anarchist face, how to balance what happens in anarchist space, these debates or centering of issues, or something that is very structured, like decision over what to do with omni. do want to try to do a better job to refocus on things that are an agenda<br />
* jemma - i understand that. thats why i pushed for myself being facilitator. because i have focused on keeping us on point. removing me to facilitator is one of those harms. very unfortunate consequence of our group. but i do appreciate you doing your best<br />
* elon - this is a question to go back to issue at hand. earlier mentioned that there was a possible lender. wanted to ask jamal if that is realistic<br />
* jamal - that org does that kind of work. i think its a possibility. but unpacking needed to be done rapidly. when you apply for grants, you need to talk to your fiscal solvency. part of what is going on right now is setting fundraising goals. also discussions on what fundraising goals. might very well be able to go forward with out a percentage partner. i dont think any particular idea has been shut down. people have been assigned in teams as solutions. what i offered is just one solution. well first, goal is talking to the original lender, ask for extension. then talk to the potential 10yr lender. people working on PP proposal. all of that is happening simultaneously<br />
* paige - we did a whiteboard session, land trust and llc were towards the top preferred option. not off the table<br />
* arthur - i want to acknowledge jems' request about it being harmful about mediator removal. i have taken it in but i dont need to hear it again<br />
* Muirén [in chat] - There it is again, the assumption we are an anarchist community, and that anarchy implies no structure or coherent processes. <br />
* Ed [in chat] - Can someone tell me what the vote total was on having Jems act as facilitor? I was screwing with hardware. <br />
* angl3a [in chat] - its in the notes <br />
* Jems [in chat] from the notes, straw poll to decide on jemma as facitilator, against - jake, eric, arthur, abstain - sierk, alex, philup, approve - yar, peter, sequioa, angela, paige, muiren <br />
* Ed [in chat] - Thanks <br />
* ally - limited interaction in omni and sudo, lack of process or procedures. even from entering the space. like step one disagree on what facilitator roles is. leads to conflict. disagreement on how voting works, or how to honor it. disagreements on how to move forward, what hierarchy is .<br />
* sequoia: i really want to take stock, which is we now have several individuals ho feel wronged by other individuals, and more broaly at omni. Jamal said, really thoughtful: 1. i agree that there's a lot of self centering of hurt that's going on, in a public forum that needs to be putting its resources toward a bigger problem, jamal suggested that we go 1:1 with the other person, if you feel safe going directly to that person; we're all feeling the drain of how much it sucks for everybody all laundry in a public forum. Go directly to the peole you have a conflict with and resolve as two adults. I personally believe the only person who is in a position to solve this problem is Jamal. I get that theres a lot of conflict right now, but Jamal is speaking the language of someone who can raise a million dollars, and patience, and i see that people have been hurt and i want to see how can we work on the pain that we have, and stop centering ourselves and our individual pain in this, the only person who can solve our building problems is Jamal, so we need to figure out how to accept Jamal.<br />
* yar - as much as i want to keep going into it, i want to offer, people should think if we have more questions for jamal, otherwise we should let jamal leave and then vote<br />
* anwar introduces himself<br />
* jamal - i want to offer the complication of this conversation. emotionaly labor always exhausting. my phone is on and if people need to reach out to me, i encourage them to reach out to me. i dont think it was appropriate email sent out without me. want to uplift that love is liberatory. dont see that right. i see people talking past each other. i see people pouring gasoline. i dont want to come in here as someone wanting to get rid of people. but commentary, some of that is not true. i encourage you to have a convo with me about how love is liberatory. i don't think the investigation wll happne quickly, nned to interview people. i made commitmet to do the right thing. sorry that has been skewed to be dishonest. call me, amils that referenced my name, hating ppl tkes too much energy. constant fluctiation of delegates is bad. kep changing the matriz by which the board akes efective ation. job is not to block or be retailatory ccause u don't like someone. protesct intersts of organization. sudoroom rep is not repping sudoroom but stablity of omni commons. those things over lap but it's important you have delegates that are consistent. jems and paige have been in those convos. i would caution and invite you to be weary of people that were only in the room for an hour and did some other stuff. we need stability. nomatter what you decide, if you leave eleaving hating someone, you doing the wrong thing. you sohuln't hate anybody. invite you to cono of love as a liberatory tool. select paige or jemma as delegate. importance of stability to apply for a million dollar loans. need to go. i appreciate everyone for putting their whole self. disagree with comments made in writing and in person. i love all of you. i invite you to community with me for a convo.<br />
* jamal (notes taken by difff person) patrik has only been consistent. changing matrix with which board makes action. ban not supposed to be retaliatory. job to protect fiduatory interest. not interest on sudo room, but rather financial stability of omni. importance of stability <br />
* murien [in chat but left meeting by time it was read] - what is comment jamal's referring to?<br />
* jamal - yea not addressing that right now*<br />
jamal leaves<br />
* jake - i have jamal's number, i called him on dec 20th. silver gave it to me. i had full trust and faith in jamal. i assumed that everything would make sense. since them he has destroyed any trust i could have in him. i know those are strong words.<br />
* eric - really sweet guy but accused of lying. <br />
* jake - did you send thing about executive power<br />
* jems - is the a proposal or draft<br />
* sequioia - there were certain things that were heresay<br />
* eric - im not sure what he was saying heresay. reading a letter from legal council<br />
* eric - *eric reads* notes will be in copied and pasted from via email<br />
* jemma - not proposal that's in front of delegates?<br />
* paige - summary of what jamal and lwyer tlked about. deegates spend next meeitng discussing then hold out for a vote for week after. <br />
* jemma - misleading. not proposal. draft. communication from lawyer. started talking about jamal when he left the room. shouldn't be our delegate. <br />
* arthur - told it's true then not true, please don't gaslight me in a public setting<br />
* jemma - nobody gaslighting, saying what's true. not a proposal.<br />
* sierk - i explicitly asked to be able to hear his text to be read, i would like that to be taken into account, i don't care if its a proposal, this is what we have right now, and this information is helpful and thats why i asked for it to be read out loud<br />
* yar - thank you for reading the email. i think it was clear to me that it was from a lawyer, responding second hand. this is first time i have heard these words. i think we should take lawyers advice in how to structure the percentage. because that will be functionally what jamal wanted. i understand you are probably worreid about the power to ban people<br />
* jemma - i think its not okay to say its a proposal<br />
* room says thats understood<br />
* yar - are we voting if we wanting to generally agree with an ed then vote on contract next week?<br />
* paige - think we want to vote as soon as possible so he can start working. john said it's the send of the room that we want to go forward with contract. tuan corrected we're not voting to approve it, approving to talk to a lawyer. could choose to vote yes to a contract tomorrow.<br />
* sequoia - i think eric made it clear that it was not a proposal. i did not feel that was misleading. jemma i think it was innapropriate to say eric was misleading people. in general, for an ED to be able to meet with a people who have a lot of money. those people will need broad authority. but do not support ability to ban 2 individuals. part that board can veto is important. we must have some ability to negotiate the contract. * jake - i think it is a very good question, what are we voting on? i agree with what sequoia said that everything, personally im very invested in request for power to ban people from omni, not in line with our values. want to formally say no to that. in general terms, for me and mysterious other person. sudo room should not give up its ability to say what the omni commons should do. that should be clarified in the proposal, given lawyer said he didnt know how to do that. compiler error. we should be formal that we dont agree to any contract. in theory that is a delay but we have meetings every week<br />
* julie - what sequoia was talking about being ok with jamal in general having power, talking to fancy people, but I do not agree with his ability to ban people, i think that goes against what he was saying about not kowing people long enough to hate us, then why you need power to ban people . Sudoroom can discuss on how to ban people later. that valid concern and not open our space to people who make unsafe, but i worry about giving him unilateral ability to ban because..<br />
* anwar - two things, from my understanding, any ban that jamal would make would be appealable to the board. i wonder if thats enough, if someone is causing problems and getting in the way, doing CLP like blockading, useful to stop that asap, given board can undo. lawyer did specifically say he is not an employment specialist. i want to be careful about putting too much stock in that statement of him being unclear<br />
* peter - boards override ED. ED serves at the pleasure of the board<br />
* thomas - question, this lawyer is our lawyer or sudos lawyer? <br />
* our lawyer<br />
* thomas - should we get one? in terms of dissolution of omni <br />
* eric - we are trying to avoid dissolution<br />
* alex - recomendation to the board to look into his resume. <br />
* paige - there were working groups created. john patrick and me write counterproposal. i was tasked to get his resume and we sent it to that group.<br />
* sequoia? - we don't have a contract yet. i feel like the ban discussion is a disctraction. nobody liked idea of executive ban. suggest we keep an eye but don't need to talk bout it unless it actually shows up in proposed cntract<br />
* jake - someone said that talking about the ban that the delegates could have reversed that. as in email i was told the only avenue i had to appeal was to talk to jamal. i experienced during this ban was to talk to jamal. after jamal disconnected, i dont feel like i can trust him. i wish that could be repaired. there was a situation where board didnt have power. <br />
* paige - you were sent that by delegate. he is taking this ed role seriously. he's gonna be making a lot of moves and it's up the board to appeal.<br />
* - no one says no you're fired<br />
* facilitator - this could go on indefinitely, when to cut it off? i don't understand. are we decideing whether to vote right now? what agenda issues?<br />
* alex - status quo? paige good elegate? (some yesses)<br />
* philip - i'm not making judgements about Jamal but anyone with the power to ban people, whats to stop them from banning the whole board<br />
* eric - they're only asking for power to ban 2 people<br />
* angl3a - second alexs proposal to do status quo. vote of confidence in paige<br />
* alex - right now 2 delegtes, status quo, continue with that?<br />
* eric - yes its us two, paige and i<br />
* jake - i want us to clarify what we want the delegate to do specifically and generally. i really believe in delegates reflecting the will of collectives. having been a delegate in the past, i still made an effort to make emails about votes. in this case there was discussion about if delegate is interest in SR or OC. clear about that. someobody might go with whats best for OC, but that conflicts with people here. other thing i want to point out is agenda item is voting for media lab. last thing pointed out. clarify what we want our delegate to say. what kind of things stands, delegate should say "i wont step into something without sudo room." <br />
* paige - can make decision that sudoroom blocks everything tomorrow<br />
* sequoia - love it if we didn't do that<br />
* paige - how muhc delegat is beholden to group is different. patrick has agency in how he votes. seen bigorty in ccl where he brings them into omni commons and consensus building and put out fires. i'm thinking about who is putting in the most work at omni and trying to make it work. doing consesnuss building. thinking about sudoroom as a space. sudoroom making most welcoming and achieve goals on wiki, not thinking about jake ban complaining on email list. best going forward for omni commons where there's devicivenees and people burning out. ed thing requires more discussions<br />
* facilitator - discussions about what delegacy is. have to ahve <br />
* angl3a - i want a vote in confidence of paige<br />
* eric - i feel erased by this question<br />
* sequoia - eric is a delegate and paige is a delegate. i want to find a path forward with jamal. i understand eric might not feel that way. i guess my question is... we talked about if delegates should represent group, so could take a straw poll. eric would comfortable to looking at a contract with jamal if we dont support non-ban.<br />
* eric- i would look at any proposal. i am deeply hesitant about any authoritarian structure. departure from status quo. im not into any sort of king but i know we are in dire straits right now. <br />
* cere and al joins<br />
* sequoia - personally im looking for something stronger. i think no one equipped to solve problems except jamal.<br />
* jake - just to say im in favor too. only issue has been this personal issue and banning issue. thats my only problem. other concerns i have. but only thing i think is important. maybe he is really good to communicate with people<br />
* sequoia - i would want to send a delegate who is open to resolving these conflicts in a way towards finding a solution to work with jamal. <br />
* eric - im here to represent sudo room. i want to see this space continue. but to me, sudo room is not this building. sudo room was a community before this space. even if we lose this space. just four walls. not gonna sacrifice for a fucking building<br />
* peter - I'll offer a counter, if we are going impassioned appeals o. omni collective. reason why sudo room is a core and founding memeber is this idea of stronger together. my repair work requires other parts of building. i cant function without media lab. ccl next to us. if this space goes away its not coming back. sudo room and omni commons are inextricably connected. unreasonable to not. antithetical to all the core values. still people think they can walk away with something... i dont see it<br />
* sequoia - i no longer support idea that we can dissolve the building. moved by what PP said. asset to the building. crime that we could let this building go. used to think we could leave but no longer see that as ethical. eric i really appreciate you but i think you are too close to the conflict. <br />
* ally - i feel like paige spoke already. on how they feel consensus building. clarify to expidite. <br />
* paige - gets messy with who is the voter if the two delegates dont agree<br />
* jake - hopefully they agree<br />
* establish rules for if we don't agree<br />
* paige - personally very against foreclosure. sudoroom is space i spend time in so i'm invested it but we need a different way of organizing. i can' t. but i feel we cant open up that can of worms right now, we need an ED to make moves faster because this is just too slow<br />
* angl3a - i move to vote for confidence in paige<br />
* one the other or both? vote of confidence in paige and one with eric.<br />
* yar - i came into this meeting kind neutral. but now have concern about eric represening marginalized people. based on how you have been interacting with people.<br />
* eric- can you be more specific<br />
* yar - look around you. <br />
* eric - i am<br />
* yar - who you seem to be listening to and who you seem to be fighting with. reached a threshold of me. <br />
* eric - complaints are too non specific<br />
* sequoia - someone can say they are not <br />
* vote in confidence:<br />
* first vote is ppl are comfortable with status quo: 13<br />
* opposed to status quo: 4 no online <br />
* abstain - 3<br />
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<br />
== media lab proposal ==<br />
* paige - .... they want to change some of the space. pallavi is the proposed delagate. group bringing new energy and new faces, super in support. reccomend you all go down there. $800, they want to have a vote and should have one.<br />
* yar - i love the media lab. been holding this space for so long. <br />
* paige - want to address elephant in room, maybe what is being passed around on laptop but idk. pallavi is someone we paid to be our fundraiser. there has been skepticism of pallavi, conspiracy that she is just here to get pp in. she said she cares a lot about racial justice. in meeting, letting this building get demolished came up, discussion about how that is a blatant form of gentrification. she was responding it would be racist if you didn't accept a black org in that context of foreclosure, she got fired up about racial equity. i had more discussion with her, she's in favor of counterproposals, not backing a full control thing. would have helped if you talked with her. not just "she called me racist now i'm attacked and cancelled". respect for pallavi, advising us more things we should be asking jamal. no lack of trust and wish people would talk to her wihout asking her to leave.<br />
* peter - work we do in here works really well with what they do out there. other grants we tap into if we can get act together. so much money we can tap in to. $130 million of state money available to tap into as a resilency hub. also we should look at this media lab proposal in context of gender equity issues. predominately female there. for no other reason, bring in that collective<br />
* muiren [in chat] - yea media lab<br />
* arthur - clarifying, rental in the basement? and that extra space also in the basement? are we voting on that?<br />
* paige - only voting on them occupying space they are already occupying. situation with money, a lot of leniency in rent. i.e. we gave someone $200 to move in, then later required to be paid more once set up and making funds. media lab paying $500, now want to pay $800 they expanded. i dont know if that was asked but i dont see it as a problem, it was unused uncared for space. $800 seems very fair. food not bombs paying $500 with closed door rooms. media lab has no closed doors. basement is $1/sq ft for no windows, $2/sq ft. with windows. area they want to be moving into at a later point of time is another area in the basement that is currently full of crap, so they would clean it up and pay $100 more for it. can show you the space if you want<br />
* ed - can you describe what media lab does<br />
* yar - they host sewing and jewelry and screenprint making workshops and other related artistic classes and workshops.<br />
* peter - and Cece has aspirations to teach textile engineering down there, a whole element of workplace development, really interesting things, she's built parachutes for ZipLine which sends medical goods to third world countries<br />
* kent - Cece is a stand-up individual<br />
* yar - when they do their cohorts, when they end they do fashion shows in ballroom. most affirming thing i see in this building<br />
* sequoua - i didn't even realize it was the sewing people, Cece, i learn so much, i would be heartbroken if sudoroom ever separated from this group, it's an incredible technology, all of you are wearing clothes - i hope<br />
* yar - i only wear computer parts<br />
* arlo - my name is arlo<br />
* jake - hold on he doesn't know the situation o just kidding<br />
* ally - anyone voting no? no one says no so passed. <br />
*<br />
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Muirén (She, Her)<br />
Muirén (She, Her) says:Yeah Media Lab! <br />
Muirén (She, Her) says:My interest in Media Lab is Tech Couture, smart textiles, and using tech like intricate laser cut linoleum to print fabric. *<br />
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== vote on ed contract == <br />
* thomas - vote if contract allows banning<br />
* yar - our current safe space policy is anyone can ban other people. if threat of physical violence. people to not have to call the police. need to be able to shove people out of the building. i would hope jamal would still be able to do that. just want to say we all have ability to ban unilaterally<br />
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vote:<br />
* no ban power: resolve that sudoroom will not ratify any contract with any executive officer that confers ability to unilaterally ban people <br />
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* anwar - does it count if the banned person has the ability to appeal to the board<br />
* alex - the issue isn't the unilateral ban power, it's that there are two specific individuals that are unnamed in the contract<br />
* eric - i think this is the most efficient way to do it <br />
* arthur - can reach in who can <br />
* ally - from my limited understanding, jamal was the one who reversed the ban on jake. so seems it was not in his immediate interest<br />
thomas - i feel that the process should be, you have to go to the group first, if someone is giving a problem and they're in that group, then you have to go to that group and ask them they have to take care of that person<br />
* paige - the omni commons has a conflict approval process, in order to ban ... delegates have power to ban then?*: 2/3 approval of the delegates. conflict stewards need to present at the meeting. there is a process already. we can't limit them to sudo, sometimes conflicts don't get handled by a group.<br />
* anwar - i disagree wiht..<br />
* paige - conflict resolution policy as is does denefit the person who is a ccused. the person accused gets to stick around in the sace and the people accusing have to go through this long drawn out process. find conflict steward and mediator, omni has faileda t that, no structure in place. a lot of conflict sessions. no group to collect all of these<br />
* ally - people don't come to meetings because there si no mediation. not comfortable having these one on one meetings, nobody who is a mediator, stressful role, have to be trusted by both people, not some rando either, then 3-4 hour public mettings, time both peopel feel somewhat safe and seen. <br />
* sequioa - i was going to say, this experience means we need a clear process for conflict resolution. i want to say 3 plus hours. we can say ed cant have unilateral ban power. clearly delineated and approved plan for conflict resolution that coud result in ban afte process in completed. agree no unilateral ban power. should we resolve that we will in the future develop a better ban process in the future?. ask to be done with the meeting<br />
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* vote no on this resolution?: 2<br />
* yar: vote no but not blocking. need to trust jamal to do what he needs to do. board by law would have authority to voerrride. no contract you can sign to take away delegate's right to do that. <br />
* another no<br />
* anwar - voting on a hypothetical, better to vote on a proposal ahead of us. <br />
* thomas - we are voting on guidance<br />
* if you're going to say that anyone can unilaterall ban anyone then that applied to jamal. <br />
* ally - i think its important, very basic things are lacking. what is the default? majority voting not even clear in sudo room. two urgent issues happening tomorrow, i think it would it would be possible to have quicker response. then afterwards people who want to stay can stay to discuss the minutia. no structure like that established. imminent urgent voting.<br />
* alex - well jamal was here for earlier part of meeting<br />
* yar - if you are goign to block a facilitator, you should have someone ready to come in<br />
* jems - i have facilitated before and kept us on time. i got help, we have long topics. i should have been facilitator after majority vote.<br />
* peter - every day we dawdle, options close in. i asked for status update on the finances. there is a finance meeting that you can come to. we need everyones a game about how we figure out how to save this building<br />
* jake - apologize to jems for them being harmed by my objection to them being facilitator. still stand by my decision. sorry you were harmed.<br />
* yar - what are you apologizing for<br />
* jake - apologize for harming them<br />
* jems - do not accept that apology. failure of 3 hours.<br />
* arthur - i have no trust in jems being a facilitator ever again. not how you build trust in front of new people<br />
* eric - snaps<br />
* jems - trust has been destroyed. i have never met you, appreciate you showed up, stress of parent i understand<br />
* arthur - you are lying<br />
* jems - dont appreciate your comments<br />
* arthur - removal from email servers<br />
* ally - this is spiraling. this should mediating. we should end meeting but people who want to stay should stay. <br />
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--- discontinuity, below notes are from much earlier ---<br />
3. sudo support decision for jake temporary ban?<br />
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4. tomorrow's sudoroom delegate : paige and eric<br />
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paige - expliained pov<br />
* jake - nobody can know what happened in that meeting because dont know from notes<br />
* jake - also jemma shouldnt be facilitator because she accused me of racism, transphobia and misogyny since jake didn't want them to be facilitator<br />
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<div>= Attendees =<br />
== in person ==<br />
* paige: they/them been a delegate 4-5 times recently and first came in 2021<br />
* alex - he/him<br />
* eric: answer. codelegate with paige<br />
* elon - first time yesterday<br />
* arthur - here often but my parenting schedule has never lined up<br />
* sierk<br />
* alex<br />
* jake<br />
* ccl - [who was this?]<br />
* ally - he/him not part of sudoroom but have been exploring omni commons. free store volunteer. ally as in alliance<br />
* peter - he/him<br />
* jason - he/him<br />
* yar - she/her, part of sudoroom since halloween 2012, first meeting, really hope we can save the building and prevent it from getting sold off, need to be on same page<br />
== online ==<br />
* sequioa: she/her aka taylor is fine too, sudoroom member since 2019, really looking forward to getting us on the same page and finding solutions to our big problems<br />
* jems - they/them delegate til recently . stepped down as delegate<br />
* angl3a: they/them/she/her OG sudoroom member since before we moved here, monday and tuesday nights<br />
* carl: he/him. been since the early days<br />
* ed [in chat] - mic not working and needs to find webcam<br />
* philip chin<br />
* julie meyerson: <br />
* muiren: first discovered sudo room late 2016 and when i asked about joining the amount for dues quoted more than i can afford. didnt see due requirement anymore. asked whether there was low income arrangement for membership and they invited me to visit and get to know people. difficult to find anyone who spell out onboarding process and what expectations were. thats been frustrating, nailing that down, making it clear what that feels like when showing up, just dont know whats going on. no sense of hospitality or intentional inclusion. weird thing for a progressive community, to not see the value of doing these things<br />
* julie - part of SR for a little over a year now<br />
* phil - been a member for about a year. do electronics and fix peoples stuff<br />
* eva<br />
* will<br />
== arrived late == <br />
* kent<br />
* thomas<br />
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= Roles = <br />
* facilitator - ally<br />
* notetakers - paige, angela, jake<br />
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= Agenda =<br />
== straw poll to decide on facitilator ==<br />
Jemma volunteered to be facilitator at beginning of meeting. Was contentious. Decided to take a vote<br />
Vote to have Jemma act as facilitator<br />
* opposed - jake, eric, arthur<br />
* abstain - sierk, alex philip chin<br />
* approve - yar, peter, sequioa, angela, paige, muiren<br />
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We agree to Paige as facilitator. But Paige is taking notes so needs help<br />
angela support with notetaking and process<br />
Also Ally offered as facilitator, and he ended up doing most of it<br />
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== ask for agenda items ==<br />
* sequioia - want us to be mindful about level of emotion. see each other in good faith. work from a space of good faith.<br />
*jemma - issue that i'm being removed as facilitator. contributes to harm done in our space.<br />
* peter - would like to have an update of where we stand on foreclosure<br />
* jake - discussing handing over power to ED should be first<br />
* carl - jems please dont take offense, doesnt mean your not a good facilitator. the whole goal is to be neutral. and if someone doesnt think thats the case, dont take offense. <br />
* muiren - no clue why jemma is not facilitator<br />
* jemma - we are based on removing people based off who was harmed. small cliques in our group continuing to cause harm. if they are going to silence people, if we dont address, our collective wont be going on<br />
* eric - we shouldn't silence anyone, yea.... <br />
* yar - from what i heard, they are objecting because jemma named called out racism, transphobia and misogny<br />
* jake - no, there are several reasons<br />
* someone calls out jake for interrupting<br />
* yar - i interrupted him before its okay. even if that's only one of the reasons, not acceptable to object on that<br />
* jake - if someone is making false claims based off bad faith about me that is bad.<br />
* yar - its not<br />
* jake - if they arent, then they can enumerate. if its based off of racism then they should join<br />
* jemma - i should facilitate, majority in favor<br />
* angela - i want us to get along, maybe if paige was faciliator people would think it is fair. should we hear jemma out or do a vote?<br />
* sequioa - i voted in favor but i dont want... i just want a facilitator that does not cause... jems i do see u got a majority vote. one problem i have with our org is we do not have a process. i would support a straw poll to <br />
* carl - question from jamal<br />
* jamal - little bit of disagreement on who is facilitator. either i can go to that other meeting now and come back or speak now. i am jamal taylor. board at the last meeting told me to come on given the financial nature the org is in. at current we owe $880k to our lender. we might get a default letter any day that will evict us. when i talked to counsel today, he said patience has run out with the lender. to the extent that it matters to me, priority needs to be saving the building, without finding someone else to do that. i think there are avenues by raising money. and that would come through a set of organizations. there is one that can make a 10 year loan, but we are against a barrel of a gun. things have been communicated to me, we have 4k in the bank. major problem for a building this size. what matters to me is that this building can function. need heads down focused on saving this building. to the extent i have heard, about my qualifications or ability. i will say to you as ed requirement must always be as little distraction as possible. self centering these past 4 weeks, sends signal of where our priorities are. someone came to me with a complaint as ED given a decision made by the board, i took an action to ameliorate by engaging in a thoughtful review. i would invite everyone to be very careful of language used talking to people outside this org, as well as those inside of it. no money if we are sued. many skew toward libel and slander. very mindful how we engage with each other. my priority is that we can afford this building. <br />
* jems - question, you said you had a way for an org to bring in money? is that one of current proposals? what is that direction?<br />
* jamal - cannot share all details. i want to clear up something brought up before, im not going to blindly accept any idea. when i asked for procurement of money from other proposals, nobody was able to show something. the org i am talking to now has money, they have given 2-3 million dollar loans. i do have connections with congressman who knows someone on that board. my hope is 10yr loan. problem is we had 10 yrs to pay back this loan and were not able to. i will say, when i go to the board, i think we ask for 1.75 mil, to secure loan and repair things that need to be repaired. ballroom needs some work, plumbing electrical code things. no staff members. we have 4k in bank and cant pay people. what i was told in the board, i would raise my own money to pay salary. counsel and i talked and we would set that salary to cap at a global norm. another thing important to name, people are saying I know PP. i do not. i do not operate with fear or favor. several people in this room can vouch i have been critical of things in their proposal. i would ask people to really consider what is important right now. not about "i dont like that person"<br />
* jamal - i can not share who the lender is. i have shared it with one board member. im not going to share because of some of the behaivor i have seen in ppl misconstruing what the board did. lack of communication about the true place we are <br />
* sequoia - glad you are here jamal, i really appreciate how focused you are on solving the big problem right in front of us. you are really articulate and skilled. im friends with jake and was concerned about how the ban occured. my understanding if you think someone is a problem in SR, do we have a process or if something made on fly, it feels improper. wondering if you could comment? my biggest wish, it seems now like there are two sides on the ban. where jake doesnt want to be banned, and also doesnt trust you. wonder if we could give each other a second chance.<br />
* jamal - thanks for that question. to the extent that i will talk about an investigation or set of complaints - i wont. i dont think appropriate space to do that. nor do i think, i dont think way people shared it ?? part of the problem, there are no systems whatsoever. everything seems devoid in this building. therefore my focus on what is going forward. my understanding 30-60 days. to the extent that i have to excuse people of their complaints, i will not. i think it would be inappropriate to mention those complaints in this space. to the extent that people are welcome to speak to me, they would know i am welcome to any conversation. there have been several invitations. im not opposed to conversation, but i think quite frankly, i dont know anyone well enough to prejudge them. i have seen in complaints so far, i have gotten a series of complaints from a lot of people. serious effort being spent on trying to save the building. where a complaint was raised to me, i took an action that i thought was appropriate. im prepared to answer that question but not in a firing squad, and where someone doesnt try to reach out to me. things come up in terms of complaints, we hear complaints of any sort of discrimination, that can put us into a precarious position. any individual is welcome to call me as long as they are respectful and appropriate to me, as i will to them.<br />
*jemma: in terms of giving ppl second chances, i have a problem because i am being attacked for the fact of pointing out that other people have had issues. i am removed after majority vote to be facilitator. more harm done by same individuals that caused harm. we need resorative justice, temporary ban is not permanent. not a "purge" or a "removal" or "silencing", it is a harm reduction strategy. still being targetted towards trans people, and people of color. tiring and exhausting. if sudo room wants to move forward, as antimisognistic, antiracist. i do not believe there should be second chances. i am now being targeted with nothing factual.<br />
* yar - i want to clarify what my understanding is. on saturday board of delegates voted to ban jake temporarily for 3 months. after that there was an uproar because it escalated to the mailing list. jamal someone we thought to hire, he saw that as a distraction, so he wanted to dissolve that, again pending some sort of investigation he would take on. he was going to supply the things you were asking for. you wanted it to be on facts, on reality. thats where jamal is coming from. and as it stands now you are not banned, and that was jamal's decision<br />
* eric - i want to dovetail. it was me who first raised issues on the meeting. i also have communication from our lawyer, where he indicated specifics of which jamal said he wants to ban two specific people. does a lot to erode my thinking that this would impartial. this would be another show trial. i am resistant to authority, and abandoning omni as horizontal space <br />
* yar - never has been<br />
* eric - electing a ruler we will live under, under this supervision, this fear of... am i unmutual and i will be banned as well too. these accusations fly around, today i was told i was transphobic and misogynistic. this is not my heart, i see no evidence of this stuff in the space. these words just get thrown around. have trouble with going foraward with this ED <br />
* jamal - what counsel told you that i said, is hearsay. and 2nd, some members of the board were in our convo on that day, and there was conversation on what my authority would be. as a person who has worked for some of largest school districts in country, i cant understand that in the face of, we regularly find ourselves becoming the victim when people call us out on behaviors that are de facto, cant stop long enough to look in mirror and and hear what people are saying. 1. a board had a responsibility to privacy, people who have served on as trustees, should know that and 2. agreeing to group norms then violating those norms is not acceptable and 3. dishonest statements outside of meetings are not acceptable. those discussions were made outside of the board. if there is suggestion that someone has spoke to me. im going to say as black gay man, im going to take up space i need. i wont let people paint me as an angry black man to be a victim. i ask you to do what you like to do in sudo room, and let the people doing the work do their work. one thing if people dont like me, but to the extent to think im on a witch hunt? not a priority of mine. grasping at trying to be a victim from me is exhausting. happy to help with getting a grant, but to the effect that have i gotten more than 10 complaints about a person? absolutely. and messages about something sent out untrue? absolutely. happy to ask an attorney to do it if you think you dont trust me. there are emails, text messages, voice memo, happy to turn those over. that might be the better option. do i have time to be going back and forth? my goal right now is 900k. <br />
* jems - responding to eric here, my attacks not based on feeling. not attacks, just callouts. you asked muslim POC to be remvoed from our meeting and didnt say it out loud. when you target only POC who is muslim in room thats a problem. caused 40 minutes delay. if they continue to support racism it's a probelm<br />
* paige - we don't have time for this discussion. this is a temporary break, was best decision to allow us to move forward. i would be much more willing to discuss, what do we do when there's a conflict pushing people out. right now as is, with no structure or process and based off emails, the accused is the one who gets to be more comfortable staying, while accusers are the ones who are pushed away from space. in other spaces, much more normalized behavior of if someone asks you to take a break, u just do. not take it personally like a purge. again, if the emails or questioning was on something like "3 months is too much", or brought up something about the conflict resolution policy, i would not be saying this. but the response went straight to personal attacks, denying any harm done, and conspiracy theories. no specifics were given out but this conspiracy theory was made so quickly that jamal forced us into this vote and its a power grab. so, we can talk about policies but going forward, i think we should be following with conflict resolution, and conflict steward will report to the board.<br />
* arthur - if he were in this job, what would be the philosophy or response if foreclosure to happen?<br />
* yar - thats should be for delegate not ED<br />
* jamal - yar is right, but i can speak for myself. responsibility for assets belongs, in a 501c3, authority for money and budgeting goes to the board. but for situations that just need to be fixed, ED should authorize without approval, typically with a cap of something like $500. in case of foreclosure, too will be messy and complicated, because no process in place for dispensation of assets. i would advise to ask counsel. question is - what about past collectives who have left the space? that is beyond my expertise.<br />
* arthur - thank you i appreciate precise answer<br />
* carl - i want to thank for mediation so far. this is a question about ED, the plan how you get paid. is that related to some percentage? is that legal or ok?<br />
* jamal - counsel is finding the set norm. what is norm for ED in this size, is setting a salary. problem is there is no money right now. what would happen, i would pay myself only after the bills are paid. <br />
* carl - i think we'd love to have you help us to help us get loans and grants, but is it necessary for what help you are giving us, is it necessary that you be ED? <br />
* jamal - absolutely. you have had two extensions from the lender. in those 2 years we paid almost nothing. they're not going to take the constant slow crawling decision making process that has been going on. not going to accept lower than ED given confusion in this building right now. and we have a grant writer already.<br />
* julie - im sorry for my confusion. hearing both SR and OC used interchangeably. if they did end up splitting, where does your loyalty go to?<br />
* jamal - no im not hired by SR, Im hired by OC. point i was trying to make earlier, i dont care what happens in SR. technical language: sudo room is a tenant of the building, not my business what it does. if there are complaints that spill outside, where there are complaints are coming from outside sr, and how does sr handle those complaints. thats where we do have some overlap. <br />
* paige - clarification, sudo room isn't a tenant, its a fiscally sponsored project of OC<br />
* seuqioa - point agreed with paige about emails. what ive seen in email list has been wild accusations about people being targetted, a lot of stuff that i want us.. as jamal has emphasized. important thing isnt feelings of individual members. we need to raise over $1 million. feel like we have really big problems is that the last hour and 20mins of meeting has been a lot of hurt and finger pointing. i really want to see people, we need to find ways of being more calm about what is happening. last thing, i want to support what jems said, if someone accused. if someone says 'you're an asshole'. good response is to say 'how am i being an asshole?' this applies to transphobia and racism. if someone says you're racist say 'oh what did i do?' ability to do that without having your guard up and being personally injured by the claim is so important. otherwise we will be arguing till the building burns down.<br />
* ally - two new folks in<br />
* kent and thomas introduce themselves<br />
* jamal - im going to be very brief. amount of capacity you are spending, i appreciate the emotional lift going on. i have some rhetorical questions for you. if youve seen any email ive written, you know ive invited conversation. i have made that space available. i have not gotten any responses from 4-5 of the ppl I specifically reached out to. question is why not? 2nd question, why do i feel that in this space, it feels like weaponization of your time to be engaging in this conversation when there hasn't been a person to person conversation first. i would tell you it concerns me that this place has been weaponized in this way. it would seem to me, if you had something you want to talk to me about, you have not. im confused as to why, as a human people, why space is being taken up in this way. i would ask you to ask yourself, why in the moment, why werent those raised. fundamentally confused because a process was offered. to be made whole was offered. what benefit does this have to you when this building owes the money it does<br />
* muiren [in chat] - funding social adminstration is as important as brick and mortar infrastructure<br />
* jemma - because of this harm, im now getting messages about mediation. if i had been facilitator we could have been going forward faster. but no factual reason for removing me. and now talking about mediation? mediation is we need to remove people who have done harm. i have done nothing that has harmed anyone. delegate in the past. need to remove people who have done harm. but i dont want this to be a back room deal. bothered i was attacked today because i had been harmed. to be targetted that way tonight is deeply disturbing and expanding upon harms. you should not behave this way and should be not tolerated by other collective members. calling for accountability as our own collective. <br />
* ally - what is your proposal, as in for a ban or time period? im asking, not to say im in agreement<br />
* jemma - im asking for removal of eric as delegate<br />
* ally - no ban?<br />
* jemma - im interested in investigation of those harms. no silencing or talking over each other. not allowing racism transphobia misogyny<br />
* carl - jems asking you not being facilitator is not targetting. i dont agree with that. a facilitator needs to to take a neutral position. youre not taking a neutral posiition. whether you are justified or not, views on what harms been done to you. simple reason why you were asked to not be facilitator. not to silence you. you have had opportunities to stay your piece. <br />
* jake - i want to say that there are a lot of instances of vague accusations of raism transphobia nad mysoginy. all real issues. actual things that happen. if i do something that are these things, i want to know about it. i agree with seq. right response is to ask what have i done. but in situations when its clear to me that it is to silence and ban me from my community, dont agree on who we give building to or who we partner with. that said there are lots of opportunities for the many times i was accused of racism and islamophobia, over and over with CLP and yar. i have asked for them to tell me what i have done wrong, they dont, they whip up a fervor, in terms of CLP they doxxed me and put flyers around. rafiq calls me racist for not giving CLP immediate status as collective. as far back as april these accusations here, but i have asked many times and they dont have anything. clear to me its a accusations to silence me and purge attempt. when i was banned on saturday, i tried to find out what ive accused of. and i heard just a lot of people. i went to mediation with jacqi, and jacqi told me harms were tlaking about rafiq, i accidentally misgendered them. and that i was racist on sep 21 meeting. email from danielle said it was a vicious attack by me and yar. i have been coming the lists. when i first heard that accusation, i thought there must be something i said i forgot, but didnt find it. asking people to be more mindful, when these issues are brought, they are not brought up in bad faith. i get it im annoying im sorry, but to try and mobilize that against me because i do a lot of things or am present, or in way of political positions, and then not giving me any process of just <br />
* Muirén [in chat]:Carl's neutrality is rooted in both-side-ism. There is no neutrality within a society based on a gender and racialized class hierarchy. <br />
* Jems [in chat]: Can facilitator keep us on topic? I wasn't here in April <br />
* Sequoia [in chat]: Im thinking that since accusations of racism are current to the question of jakes ban, it could be relevant <br />
* Carl [in chat]: Muiren, I think you don't understand what I was saying. <br />
* arthur - very difficult to participate in these meetings as a single parent. can we keep it more concise<br />
* muiren - we need to get back to the survival of the facility<br />
* yar - nobody calling for jake to be immediately banned right now. we are all accepting that jake is currently in building and facts are going to investigated. the decision before us tonight, correct if im wrong, who is going to be delegate, and how will they vote on jamals contract<br />
* jake - i want to respond thats true<br />
* yar - in terms of what you are saying, i care about you and it has hurt me so much to see all this happening for the past or year or so. my understnading of what is happening is that i know you have strong antiracist beliefs but you are failing to live up to them because you are hurt<br />
* jake - can you be specifc?<br />
* yar - youre hurt because of CLP<br />
* jake - i want you to be specific about harms<br />
* yar - hard when interrupted<br />
* jake - sorry<br />
* yar - i think you are so stuck because what CLP did to you was not okay. i am sorry i trusted them to be decent people. you are not seeing the impact of the other people. i understand your intention is not to be racist or transphobic<br />
* yar - the hyperfocus on yourself...<br />
* jemma - can facilitator step in? jake should not be interrupting<br />
* ally - i think its up to yar<br />
* yar - not a matter of respect, it just more efficient to let me keep going... i really do believe that the primary harm here, there are relatively small things at first with your interactions with people you have sociological privilege over. in your interactions with people where you center yourself so much, where you dont see other persons experience of you, the impact is racist transphobic and misogynistic. i was beggin you to go to the meeting...<br />
* jake - i wasnt on agenda for the meeting, [i would've gone if it was]<br />
* paige - there are never agendas for the meetings [not happy about it but not peculiar]<br />
* yar - racism is when a person is harmed because they are a person of color. nothing to do with intent. if thats what happens, it our responsibility to not be part of that. and if we are too focused on ourselves to stop and think what we are doing, to stop and think how am i affecting the people around me, at some point that becomes racism, even if in your heart you believe in black liberation and antiracism. im willing to talk to you at length outside of this meeting. but i hope we can get to things we want to decide<br />
* jake - i am frustrated by being accused without examples. harmful to me. what i was just asking for, tell me what i did. and i got some abstract theory and thats frustrating to me<br />
* julie - me too, there are potentials of other loan sources<br />
* muiren [in chat] - Treat Jake and others like family members who've screwed up and need help to being functional family members. They can't learn better if we kick them out, divorce them. <br />
* Eva Galperin [in chat] - I don't think anyone has advocated for anything other than a very temporary ban, followed by an investigation. <br />
* Carl [in chat] - I have to leave, but want to say for later, that I have personally witnessed 2 instances where Jake was wrongfully accused of racism over the past few weeks. And I hope that Jake will not be banned or silenced at this point in time because everyone should be able to contribute their viewpoint regarding what to do about the Omni, and I want Jake to be unhindered from continuing to work on the LLC option or any other ways to help the Omni survive. We need "all hands on deck" for the survival of the Omni, and I hope we can get back to that goal. <br />
* jamal - speaking directly is sometimes helpful and meaningful. start with carls commentary. i think it is harmful to suggest that he as a white male can say they werent the victim, truly. not anyones space. not going to get into details. but we are debating something not in effect. in grand scheme of people in here, how useful is this to saving the building? i cant understand for the life of me how 1. ppl in this room has been on this board have not come up with something in 2 years, and 2. when people bring up things, there are no bans right now. there are behaviors that are troubling. my advice is attorney. behavior of one of the delegates, coming in late, not participating in group norms, disclosing info, acting like its a secret when it was meant to allow delegate communication. all of these impediments to finding 900k. im not here because i want money. im not here to unduly enrich myself. self centering illustrates why this hasnt worked. though i appreciate this conversation, wondering what the end goal was. why was it brought to a group of ppl who had nothing to do with the conversation? and not people who made the decision. harmful and absolutely toxic to bring everyone into conversation to this argument without first going to who you were referred to<br />
* arthur - can we please do the voting?<br />
* ally - i want to note that the facilitation im doing is not optimal. i dont know agenda. paige offered but is now busy taking notes. so yes not optimal. now people are calling for.. one of overarching issues that people have referenced, this question of omni and sudo as an anarchist face, how to balance what happens in anarchist space, these debates or centering of issues, or something that is very structured, like decision over what to do with omni. do want to try to do a better job to refocus on things that are an agenda<br />
* jemma - i understand that. thats why i pushed for myself being facilitator. because i have focused on keeping us on point. removing me to facilitator is one of those harms. very unfortunate consequence of our group. but i do appreciate you doing your best<br />
* elon - this is a question to go back to issue at hand. earlier mentioned that there was a possible lender. wanted to ask jamal if that is realistic<br />
* jamal - that org does that kind of work. i think its a possibility. but unpacking needed to be done rapidly. when you apply for grants, you need to talk to your fiscal solvency. part of what is going on right now is setting fundraising goals. also discussions on what fundraising goals. might very well be able to go forward with out a percentage partner. i dont think any particular idea has been shut down. people have been assigned in teams as solutions. what i offered is just one solution. well first, goal is talking to the original lender, ask for extension. then talk to the potential 10yr lender. people working on PP proposal. all of that is happening simultaneously<br />
* paige - we did a whiteboard session, land trust and llc were towards the top preferred option. not off the table<br />
* arthur - i want to acknowledge jems' request about it being harmful about mediator removal. i have taken it in but i dont need to hear it again<br />
* Muirén [in chat] - There it is again, the assumption we are an anarchist community, and that anarchy implies no structure or coherent processes. <br />
* Ed [in chat] - Can someone tell me what the vote total was on having Jems act as facilitor? I was screwing with hardware. <br />
* angl3a [in chat] - its in the notes <br />
* Jems [in chat] from the notes, straw poll to decide on jemma as facitilator, against - jake, eric, arthur, abstain - sierk, alex, philup, approve - yar, peter, sequioa, angela, paige, muiren <br />
* Ed [in chat] - Thanks <br />
* ally - limited interaction in omni and sudo, lack of process or procedures. even from entering the space. like step one disagree on what facilitator roles is. leads to conflict. disagreement on how voting works, or how to honor it. disagreements on how to move forward, what hierarchy is .<br />
* sequoia: i really want to take stock, which is we now have several individuals ho feel wronged by other individuals, and more broaly at omni. Jamal said, really thoughtful: 1. i agree that there's a lot of self centering of hurt that's going on, in a public forum that needs to be putting its resources toward a bigger problem, jamal suggested that we go 1:1 with the other person, if you feel safe going directly to that person; we're all feeling the drain of how much it sucks for everybody all laundry in a public forum. Go directly to the peole you have a conflict with and resolve as two adults. I personally believe the only person who is in a position to solve this problem is Jamal. I get that theres a lot of conflict right now, but Jamal is speaking the language of someone who can raise a million dollars, and patience, and i see that people have been hurt and i want to see how can we work on the pain that we have, and stop centering ourselves and our individual pain in this, the only person who can solve our building problems is Jamal, so we need to figure out how to accept Jamal.<br />
* yar - as much as i want to keep going into it, i want to offer, people should think if we have more questions for jamal, otherwise we should let jamal leave and then vote<br />
* anwar introduces himself<br />
* jamal - i want to offer the complication of this conversation. emotionaly labor always exhausting. my phone is on and if people need to reach out to me, i encourage them to reach out to me. i dont think it was appropriate email sent out without me. want to uplift that love is liberatory. dont see that right. i see people talking past each other. i see people pouring gasoline. i dont want to come in here as someone wanting to get rid of people. but commentary, some of that is not true. i encourage you to have a convo with me about how love is liberatory. i don't think the investigation wll happne quickly, nned to interview people. i made commitmet to do the right thing. sorry that has been skewed to be dishonest. call me, amils that referenced my name, hating ppl tkes too much energy. constant fluctiation of delegates is bad. kep changing the matriz by which the board akes efective ation. job is not to block or be retailatory ccause u don't like someone. protesct intersts of organization. sudoroom rep is not repping sudoroom but stablity of omni commons. those things over lap but it's important you have delegates that are consistent. jems and paige have been in those convos. i would caution and invite you to be weary of people that were only in the room for an hour and did some other stuff. we need stability. nomatter what you decide, if you leave eleaving hating someone, you doing the wrong thing. you sohuln't hate anybody. invite you to cono of love as a liberatory tool. select paige or jemma as delegate. importance of stability to apply for a million dollar loans. need to go. i appreciate everyone for putting their whole self. disagree with comments made in writing and in person. i love all of you. i invite you to community with me for a convo.<br />
* jamal (notes taken by difff person) patrik has only been consistent. changing matrix with which board makes action. ban not supposed to be retaliatory. job to protect fiduatory interest. not interest on sudo room, but rather financial stability of omni. importance of stability <br />
* murien [in chat but left meeting by time it was read] - what is comment jamal's referring to?<br />
* jamal - yea not addressing that right now*<br />
jamal leaves<br />
* jake - i have jamal's number, i called him on dec 20th. silver gave it to me. i had full trust and faith in jamal. i assumed that everything would make sense. since them he has destroyed any trust i could have in him. i know those are strong words.<br />
* eric - really sweet guy but accused of lying. <br />
* jake - did you send thing about executive power<br />
* jems - is the a proposal or draft<br />
* sequioia - there were certain things that were heresay<br />
* eric - im not sure what he was saying heresay. reading a letter from legal council<br />
* eric - *eric reads* notes will be in copied and pasted from via email<br />
* jemma - not proposal that's in front of delegates?<br />
* paige - summary of what jamal and lwyer tlked about. deegates spend next meeitng discussing then hold out for a vote for week after. <br />
* jemma - misleading. not proposal. draft. communication from lawyer. started talking about jamal when he left the room. shouldn't be our delegate. <br />
* arthur - told it's true then not true, please don't gaslight me in a public setting<br />
* jemma - nobody gaslighting, saying what's true. not a proposal.<br />
* sierk - i explicitly asked to be able to hear his text to be read, i would like that to be taken into account, i don't care if its a proposal, this is what we have right now, and this information is helpful and thats why i asked for it to be read out loud<br />
* yar - thank you for reading the email. i think it was clear to me that it was from a lawyer, responding second hand. this is first time i have heard these words. i think we should take lawyers advice in how to structure the percentage. because that will be functionally what jamal wanted. i understand you are probably worreid about the power to ban people<br />
* jemma - i think its not okay to say its a proposal<br />
* room says thats understood<br />
* yar - are we voting if we wanting to generally agree with an ed then vote on contract next week?<br />
* paige - think we want to vote as soon as possible so he can start working. john said it's the send of the room that we want to go forward with contract. tuan corrected we're not voting to approve it, approving to talk to a lawyer. could choose to vote yes to a contract tomorrow.<br />
* sequoia - i think eric made it clear that it was not a proposal. i did not feel that was misleading. jemma i think it was innapropriate to say eric was misleading people. in general, for an ED to be able to meet with a people who have a lot of money. those people will need broad authority. but do not support ability to ban 2 individuals. part that board can veto is important. we must have some ability to negotiate the contract. * jake - i think it is a very good question, what are we voting on? i agree with what sequoia said that everything, personally im very invested in request for power to ban people from omni, not in line with our values. want to formally say no to that. in general terms, for me and mysterious other person. sudo room should not give up its ability to say what the omni commons should do. that should be clarified in the proposal, given lawyer said he didnt know how to do that. compiler error. we should be formal that we dont agree to any contract. in theory that is a delay but we have meetings every week<br />
* julie - what sequoia was talking about being ok with jamal in general having power, talking to fancy people, but I do not agree with his ability to ban people, i think that goes against what he was saying about not kowing people long enough to hate us, then why you need power to ban people . Sudoroom can discuss on how to ban people later. that valid concern and not open our space to people who make unsafe, but i worry about giving him unilateral ability to ban because..<br />
* anwar - two things, from my understanding, any ban that jamal would make would be appealable to the board. i wonder if thats enough, if someone is causing problems and getting in the way, doing CLP like blockading, useful to stop that asap, given board can undo. lawyer did specifically say he is not an employment specialist. i want to be careful about putting too much stock in that statement of him being unclear<br />
* peter - boards override ED. ED serves at the pleasure of the board<br />
* thomas - question, this lawyer is our lawyer or sudos lawyer? <br />
* our lawyer<br />
* thomas - should we get one? in terms of dissolution of omni <br />
* eric - we are trying to avoid dissolution<br />
* alex - recomendation to the board to look into his resume. <br />
* paige - there were working groups created. john patrick and me write counterproposal. i was tasked to get his resume and we sent it to that group.<br />
* sequoia? - we don't have a contract yet. i feel like the ban discussion is a disctraction. nobody liked idea of executive ban. suggest we keep an eye but don't need to talk bout it unless it actually shows up in proposed cntract<br />
* jake - someone said that talking about the ban that the delegates could have reversed that. as in email i was told the only avenue i had to appeal was to talk to jamal. i experienced during this ban was to talk to jamal. after jamal disconnected, i dont feel like i can trust him. i wish that could be repaired. there was a situation where board didnt have power. <br />
* paige - you were sent that by delegate. he is taking this ed role seriously. he's gonna be making a lot of moves and it's up the board to appeal.<br />
* - no one says no you're fired<br />
* facilitator - this could go on indefinitely, when to cut it off? i don't understand. are we decideing whether to vote right now? what agenda issues?<br />
* alex - status quo? paige good elegate? (some yesses)<br />
* philip - i'm not making judgements about Jamal but anyone with the power to ban people, whats to stop them from banning the whole board<br />
* eric - they're only asking for power to ban 2 people<br />
* angl3a - second alexs proposal to do status quo. vote of confidence in paige<br />
* alex - right now 2 delegtes, status quo, continue with that?<br />
* eric - yes its us two, paige and i<br />
* jake - i want us to clarify what we want the delegate to do specifically and generally. i really believe in delegates reflecting the will of collectives. having been a delegate in the past, i still made an effort to make emails about votes. in this case there was discussion about if delegate is interest in SR or OC. clear about that. someobody might go with whats best for OC, but that conflicts with people here. other thing i want to point out is agenda item is voting for media lab. last thing pointed out. clarify what we want our delegate to say. what kind of things stands, delegate should say "i wont step into something without sudo room." <br />
* paige - can make decision that sudoroom blocks everything tomorrow<br />
* sequoia - love it if we didn't do that<br />
* paige - how muhc delegat is beholden to group is different. patrick has agency in how he votes. seen bigorty in ccl where he brings them into omni commons and consensus building and put out fires. i'm thinking about who is putting in the most work at omni and trying to make it work. doing consesnuss building. thinking about sudoroom as a space. sudoroom making most welcoming and achieve goals on wiki, not thinking about jake ban complaining on email list. best going forward for omni commons where there's devicivenees and people burning out. ed thing requires more discussions<br />
* facilitator - discussions about what delegacy is. have to ahve <br />
* angl3a - i want a vote in confidence of paige<br />
* eric - i feel erased by this question<br />
* sequoia - eric is a delegate and paige is a delegate. i want to find a path forward with jamal. i understand eric might not feel that way. i guess my question is... we talked about if delegates should represent group, so could take a straw poll. eric would comfortable to looking at a contract with jamal if we dont support non-ban.<br />
* eric- i would look at any proposal. i am deeply hesitant about any authoritarian structure. departure from status quo. im not into any sort of king but i know we are in dire straits right now. <br />
* cere and al joins<br />
* sequoia - personally im looking for something stronger. i think no one equipped to solve problems except jamal.<br />
* jake - just to say im in favor too. only issue has been this personal issue and banning issue. thats my only problem. other concerns i have. but only thing i think is important. maybe he is really good to communicate with people<br />
* sequoia - i would want to send a delegate who is open to resolving these conflicts in a way towards finding a solution to work with jamal. <br />
* eric - im here to represent sudo room. i want to see this space continue. but to me, sudo room is not this building. sudo room was a community before this space. even if we lose this space. just four walls. not gonna sacrifice for a fucking building<br />
* peter - I'll offer a counter, if we are going impassioned appeals o. omni collective. reason why sudo room is a core and founding memeber is this idea of stronger together. my repair work requires other parts of building. i cant function without media lab. ccl next to us. if this space goes away its not coming back. sudo room and omni commons are inextricably connected. unreasonable to not. antithetical to all the core values. still people think they can walk away with something... i dont see it<br />
* sequoia - i no longer support idea that we can dissolve the building. moved by what PP said. asset to the building. crime that we could let this building go. used to think we could leave but no longer see that as ethical. eric i really appreciate you but i think you are too close to the conflict. <br />
* ally - i feel like paige spoke already. on how they feel consensus building. clarify to expidite. <br />
* paige - gets messy with who is the voter if the two delegates dont agree<br />
* jake - hopefully they agree<br />
* establish rules for if we don't agree<br />
* paige - personally very against foreclosure. sudoroom is space i spend time in so i'm invested it but we need a different way of organizing. i can' t. but i feel we cant open up that can of worms right now, we need an ED to make moves faster because this is just too slow<br />
* angl3a - i move to vote for confidence in paige<br />
* one the other or both? vote of confidence in paige and one with eric.<br />
* yar - i came into this meeting kind neutral. but now have concern about eric represening marginalized people. based on how you have been interacting with people.<br />
* eric- can you be more specific<br />
* yar - look around you. <br />
* eric - i am<br />
* yar - who you seem to be listening to and who you seem to be fighting with. reached a threshold of me. <br />
* eric - complaints are too non specific<br />
* sequoia - someone can say they are not <br />
* vote in confidence:<br />
* first vote is ppl are comfortable with status quo: 13<br />
* opposed to status quo: 4 no online <br />
* abstain - 3<br />
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== media lab proposal ==<br />
* paige - .... they want to change some of the space. pallavi is the proposed delagate. group bringing new energy and new faces, super in support. reccomend you all go down there. $800, they want to have a vote and should have one.<br />
* yar - i love the media lab. been holding this space for so long. <br />
* paige - want to address elephant in room, maybe what is being passed around on laptop but idk. pallavi is someone we paid to be our fundraiser. there has been skepticism of pallavi, conspiracy that she is just here to get pp in. she said she cares a lot about racial justice. in meeting, letting this building get demolished came up, discussion about how that is a blatant form of gentrification. she was responding it would be racist if you didn't accept a black org in that context of foreclosure, she got fired up about racial equity. i had more discussion with her, she's in favor of counterproposals, not backing a full control thing. would have helped if you talked with her. not just "she called me racist now i'm attacked and cancelled". respect for pallavi, advising us more things we should be asking jamal. no lack of trust and wish people would talk to her wihout asking her to leave.<br />
* peter - work we do in here works really well with what they do out there. other grants we tap into if we can get act together. so much money we can tap in to. $130 million of state money available to tap into as a resilency hub. also we should look at this media lab proposal in context of gender equity issues. predominately female there. for no other reason, bring in that collective<br />
* muiren [in chat] - yea media lab<br />
* arthur - clarifying, rental in the basement? and that extra space also in the basement? are we voting on that?<br />
* paige - only voting on them occupying space they are already occupying. situation with money, a lot of leniency in rent. i.e. we gave someone $200 to move in, then later required to be paid more once set up and making funds. media lab paying $500, now want to pay $800 they expanded. i dont know if that was asked but i dont see it as a problem, it was unused uncared for space. $800 seems very fair. food not bombs paying $500 with closed door rooms. media lab has no closed doors. basement is $1/sq ft for no windows, $2/sq ft. with windows. area they want to be moving into at a later point of time is another area in the basement that is currently full of crap, so they would clean it up and pay $100 more for it. can show you the space if you want<br />
* ed - can you describe what media lab does<br />
* yar - they host sewing and jewelry and screenprint making workshops and other related artistic classes and workshops.<br />
* peter - and Cece has aspirations to teach textile engineering down there, a whole element of workplace development, really interesting things, she's built parachutes for ZipLine which sends medical goods to third world countries<br />
* kent - Cece is a stand-up individual<br />
* yar - when they do their cohorts, when they end they do fashion shows in ballroom. most affirming thing i see in this building<br />
* sequoua - i didn't even realize it was the sewing people, Cece, i learn so much, i would be heartbroken if sudoroom ever separated from this group, it's an incredible technology, all of you are wearing clothes - i hope<br />
* yar - i only wear computer parts<br />
* arlo - my name is arlo<br />
* jake - hold on he doesn't know the situation o just kidding<br />
* ally - anyone voting no? no one says no so passed. <br />
*<br />
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Muirén (She, Her)<br />
Muirén (She, Her) says:Yeah Media Lab! <br />
Muirén (She, Her) says:My interest in Media Lab is Tech Couture, smart textiles, and using tech like intricate laser cut linoleum to print fabric. *<br />
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== vote on ed contract == <br />
* thomas - vote if contract allows banning<br />
* yar - our current safe space policy is anyone can ban other people. if threat of physical violence. people to not have to call the police. need to be able to shove people out of the building. i would hope jamal would still be able to do that. just want to say we all have ability to ban unilaterally<br />
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vote:<br />
* no ban power: resolve that sudoroom will not ratify any contract with any executive officer that confers ability to unilaterally ban people <br />
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* anwar - does it count if the banned person has the ability to appeal to the board<br />
* alex - the issue isn't the unilateral ban power, it's that there are two specific individuals that are unnamed in the contract<br />
* eric - i think this is the most efficient way to do it <br />
* arthur - can reach in who can <br />
* ally - from my limited understanding, jamal was the one who reversed the ban on jake. so seems it was not in his immediate interest<br />
thomas - i feel that the process should be, you have to go to the group first, if someone is giving a problem and they're in that group, then you have to go to that group and ask them they have to take care of that person<br />
* paige - the omni commons has a conflict approval process, in order to ban ... delegates have power to ban then?*: 2/3 approval of the delegates. conflict stewards need to present at the meeting. there is a process already. we can't limit them to sudo, sometimes conflicts don't get handled by a group.<br />
* anwar - i disagree wiht..<br />
* paige - conflict resolution policy as is does denefit the person who is a ccused. the person accused gets to stick around in the sace and the people accusing have to go through this long drawn out process. find conflict steward and mediator, omni has faileda t that, no structure in place. a lot of conflict sessions. no group to collect all of these<br />
* ally - people don't come to meetings because there si no mediation. not comfortable having these one on one meetings, nobody who is a mediator, stressful role, have to be trusted by both people, not some rando either, then 3-4 hour public mettings, time both peopel feel somewhat safe and seen. <br />
* sequioa - i was going to say, this experience means we need a clear process for conflict resolution. i want to say 3 plus hours. we can say ed cant have unilateral ban power. clearly delineated and approved plan for conflict resolution that coud result in ban afte process in completed. agree no unilateral ban power. should we resolve that we will in the future develop a better ban process in the future?. ask to be done with the meeting<br />
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* vote no on this resolution?: 2<br />
* yar: vote no but not blocking. need to trust jamal to do what he needs to do. board by law would have authority to voerrride. no contract you can sign to take away delegate's right to do that. <br />
* another no<br />
* anwar - voting on a hypothetical, better to vote on a proposal ahead of us. <br />
* thomas - we are voting on guidance<br />
* if you're going to say that anyone can unilaterall ban anyone then that applied to jamal. <br />
* ally - i think its important, very basic things are lacking. what is the default? majority voting not even clear in sudo room. two urgent issues happening tomorrow, i think it would it would be possible to have quicker response. then afterwards people who want to stay can stay to discuss the minutia. no structure like that established. imminent urgent voting.<br />
* alex - well jamal was here for earlier part of meeting<br />
* yar - if you are goign to block a facilitator, you should have someone ready to come in<br />
* jems - i have facilitated before and kept us on time. i got help, we have long topics. i should have been facilitator after majority vote.<br />
* peter - every day we dawdle, options close in. i asked for status update on the finances. there is a finance meeting that you can come to. we need everyones a game about how we figure out how to save this building<br />
* jake - apologize to jems for them being harmed by my objection to them being facilitator. still stand by my decision. sorry you were harmed.<br />
* yar - what are you apologizing for<br />
* jake - apologize for harming them<br />
* jems - do not accept that apology. failure of 3 hours.<br />
* arthur - i have no trust in jems being a facilitator ever again. not how you build trust in front of new people<br />
* eric - snaps<br />
* jems - trust has been destroyed. i have never met you, appreciate you showed up, stress of parent i understand<br />
* arthur - you are lying<br />
* jems - dont appreciate your comments<br />
* arthur - removal from email servers<br />
* ally - this is spiraling. this should mediating. we should end meeting but people who want to stay should stay. <br />
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--- discontinuity, below notes are from much earlier ---<br />
3. sudo support decision for jake temporary ban?<br />
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4. tomorrow's sudoroom delegate : paige and eric<br />
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paige - expliained pov<br />
* jake - nobody can know what happened in that meeting because dont know from notes<br />
* jake - also jemma shouldnt be facilitator because she accused me of racism, transphobia and misogyny since jake didn't want them to be facilitator<br />
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== Agenda item 1 ==<br />
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== Agenda item 2 ==</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2023-12-20&diff=12358Meeting Notes 2023-12-202023-12-21T08:53:14Z<p>Jerkey: Created page with "= Sudo Room Meeting = Dec 20, 2023 815PM = Attendees = * jemma - one of delegates for SR currently, pronouns they/them * Paige - also one of the delegates for SR, pronounst they/them * jake - not a delegate anymore but eager to talk about omni business, any pronouns * william - sudoroom member, pronouns he/him * ed - also a sudoroom member but very inactive * yar - (she/her) might have to leave early, but will be at the big meeting tomorrow. PP's proposal was a high..."</p>
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<div>= Sudo Room Meeting = <br />
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Dec 20, 2023 815PM<br />
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= Attendees =<br />
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* jemma - one of delegates for SR currently, pronouns they/them<br />
* Paige - also one of the delegates for SR, pronounst they/them<br />
* jake - not a delegate anymore but eager to talk about omni business, any pronouns<br />
* william - sudoroom member, pronouns he/him<br />
* ed - also a sudoroom member but very inactive<br />
* yar - (she/her) might have to leave early, but will be at the big meeting tomorrow. PP's proposal was a high bargain. we should make a counteroffer for a reasonable way to share the building. i also empathize with the feeling of being rushed. if the LLC can buy us more time to have a full re-visioning process, then i support it., I would like the narrative to be that we need more time rather than we are outright rejecting PP, because we need something other than the status quo. the status quo sucks.<br />
* peter - I am mostly driving this program where we do repair for people<br />
* glen - I do some of the robotics programs here and also very involved at CCL as well, my biggest claim to fame is that i got banned for being too young (before 18) and then got reinstated<br />
* carl - i'm here<br />
* alex - i'm here<br />
* x (The X) - interested party, having helped move from Telegraph and get the commons rolling, observing participant for now. lil busy u-boot'n and 6.6.6 kernel compiling. making a fresh batch of yogurt. neither confirm nor deny "Member"<br />
* kent - online<br />
* cere - online and then in person<br />
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= Agenda =<br />
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== Fire inspection funding needs ==<br />
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Needs:<br />
* paige: fire inspection means we need to clean things up before the end of the month, including buying self-powered exit signs and a panic bar on the door from the stage to sudoroom<br />
* jake: where's the exit sign gotta go?<br />
* paige: they want it to be self-powered in case of power failure<br />
* jake: asking if anyone can check if it has to be tritium or can battery-backed be acceptable<br />
* Paige - yes i can talk to sarah and david about that<br />
* paige - someone on the Consensus list keeps emailing the Zinefest people telling them that we're not compliant even though we are<br />
* jake - I think its obviously CLP emailing them<br />
* x - these pass SF Fire Inspection FYI https://www.homedepot.com/p/Lithonia-Lighting-Contractor-Select-EXRG-3-6-Volt-Backup-Battery-Integrated-LED-White-Exit-Sign-EXRG-EL-M6/316678959<br />
* jake - does anyone know where we can get a panic bar for the door? Or wait we can just take out the doorknob and the problem is solved.<br />
* paige - i'll ask about that<br />
* alex - there's a panic bar in Dublin/Pleasanton for $40<br />
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/mat/d/dublin-yale-panic-bar-lever-door/7690151637.html<br />
* jake - I'll try to put up a battery backed-up exit sign tonight<br />
Ballroom: 1x new tritium (self-powered) EXIT sign requested in west stairwell (near ballroom bathroom) leading from ballroom to entrance hall. EXIT sign to be placed at middle landing above door into Entrance Hall, facing south, so as to be visible to anyone leaving ballroom or basement. Status: Not yet ordered or installed. <br />
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Ballroom: 1x panic bar required to be installed stage-side at door outswinging from stage area into Sudo. Existing keyed knob to be removed. Status: Not yet ordered or installed. Expect around ~$200 parts cost.<br />
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== mulberry trust ask for extension == <br />
* paige: this was an idea from Peter to ask for an extension to say that we have a plan, I started a letter, I think this just needs to be known that we're making this, I ...<br />
* alex: i thought there were people who last <br />
* jake - nobody now who is associated with them, but mulberry stated they only want to be contacted through lawyer so we should respect that. also we are going to talk to Jesse about LLC plan. We dont have to compose a letter. <br />
* paige - we should also include in the letter mentioning PP as a possible buyer, a land trust, as well as the LLC<br />
* peter: absent any other information i want to express to the mulberry trust an emotional appeal that there are people at Sudoroom if not other groups, to talk about the good work at this building that they're not otherwise aware is going on, Sudoroom mondays and tuesdays, reiterate the FNB work that's happened, the storm shelter last year in the ballroom, basically say that there's a whole group here that hasn't been at the delegates' meetings, basically to beg. I just learned that there might be somebody who knows them.. I'm happy to do a letter in parallel with Paige's letter, about what we're doing here. Look they invested $2M in us and if we fail they'll have to admit that they failed. If they're smart, even if Jake can put together an LLC, it will be at a higher interest rate than we're doing now. To me it's an emotional appeal not a clinical appeal.<br />
* jake: i don't there's any issue with people passing letters to our lawyer to give to the mulberry trust, but I think we should keep from contacting and overwhelming them on our own<br />
* peter - i want to respect thier anonymity. at this point its a hail mary but we are out of runway. if your okay, paige and I can draft a letter, and I can draft a separate letter written from my role. Honestly i dont know how close we are<br />
* jake - maybe if we offered a higher interest rate they would consider, but also cant afford that right now, but to do that we would need more volunteers to step into events booking and renting rooms out. not specficially responding to clp blocking tanc and print collective preventing renting, but separately from that a lot of rooms are unrented.<br />
* peter - once they foreclose that will be harder. im not too proud to beg. i dont think we are not in a position to not try.<br />
* paige - ive heard getting volunteers to bottomline really hard for events<br />
*peter - in the next year have to consider separating Omni commons building from omni commons events<br />
* jake - we've tried that before but it didn't work out before<br />
* peter - building event space are great for generating money but its been woefully mismanaged. but have to say something about needing to separating management of building and collectives<br />
* jake - it was going great before CLP<br />
* paige - people talk about getting burned out before that<br />
* jake - yes but CLP is the one doing this, and their friends PP coming to try and take the building<br />
* peter - derailing the meeting to talk about this thing<br />
* jake - im talking about events working is derailed by CLP. PP told to take down tweet, and they said theyll think about it. and even now seeing CLP <br />
* peter - evene before CLP, its not as if weve shown a path to steady revenue. <br />
* alex - if thats the case we should be able to qualify for loan<br />
* jake - have had a bad past number of years, and CLP has been here for last coupley years<br />
* paige - with the pp options from the boycott I think we need to think about a different way to have a conversation about and their boycott. PP says they've seen racism here and we need to have that conversation, and that's something that sudoroom can do. we're also in unity with them in a lot of work, and we can't just reject their offer. What are some next steps that we can do to work alongside them. none of the collectives here are working on booking events, and we've talked in the past of giving over control of the ballroom, and that's something we could offer as a counter.<br />
* paige - I understand that's a huge give, but we haven't been able to do that, and the amount of expenses we're paying is too much<br />
* peter - revenue cap, allow for a situation where theres some profit sharing. long term lease idea from david. like some theater group. i have high hopes of CAST. but first, are we okay to write letter<br />
* jake - in theory we should be asking if any strong opposition in delegates meeting. but i feel like just providing writings to lawyer should be okay. but good to run by deegates tomorrow, sure.<br />
* peter - okay great<br />
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== tomorrows meeting - will be facilitated by Jamal ==<br />
* paige - jamal is talking to people beforehand<br />
* jake - I talked with jamal today for an hour. professional mediator paid by omni<br />
* paige - in the hellman grant, which can be used for capacity, we've paid for facilitators through that, and it's not something we can use for the mortage or building, but we can pay for things like this<br />
* paige - peoples programs will be there for the beginning or end<br />
* jake - hes going to make sure ppl not attacking each other. doesnt want people texting privately with each other. i said im not comfortable joining giving targetting and doxxing from boycott. he said he wont allow people to go after each other the way i was worried about, so i think i will go<br />
* jemma - that was a concern i had, physical violence concern with ian. also pictures of people. if jamal is there i am less concerned about it<br />
* jake - i wanted to say that jamal clarifeid that his purpose is to help us come to a deciscion tomorrow. im going to guess PP is pushing to push us to make us make a deciscion this meeting. they expressed it was wrong for us to be delaying the deciscion. i told jamal i dont think its appropriate for us to make this deciscion. maybe the deciscion will be to not decide. we need to be aware of what the mediator has been told by silver, of what are goals are and what our. in my mind 90 days after notice for mulberry to buy the building with lender, or LLC, or peoples program if we <br />
* peter - not great to make a deciscion under durress. when you buy a new car... they try and make you buy it today. if its a good deal, it will be a good deal tomorrow. enormous amount of distrust here. often say to ppl, 2 marriages - marriage with spouse and marriage with business partner. rash dec<br />
* paige - one thing thought to discuss - how should we vote about finally what to do the building about?<br />
* jems - it was supposed to be a small meeting at the end of november, and a small number of new people showed up and Silver was pushing that they were unhappy with the delegates structure, they wanted to include working groups, and it made me feel really uncomfortable<br />
* paige - didn't make me feel uncomfortbale, i think invovlement is great<br />
* jemma - i didn't feel it was ...<br />
* paige - it didn't seem like secret knowledge<br />
* jemma - the attempt was to call a quorum at a delegates meeting with people i had never met before, Silver tried to cause a conflict with me for disagreeing<br />
* paige - there was a tense moment. context; there are people in the building doing the work all day, the blood of omni, cleaning up blood, dealing with conflicts, they feel like ...they have sway in the building, silver is one of them, phil, sierk and ian, they don't technically have a vote, they have sway because they inform us, but those are people i want to include in decision making<br />
* jemma - yes i think they should come to the meetings but i don't think the collectives who are paying the rent and are unable to come in all the time because people have jobs, <br />
* peter - managing volunteers is really hard. how to you manage them without compensation<br />
* jemma - i dont think the way to do that is to show up on the 5th thursday of the month and try to call a quorum, we have a consensus email thread, slack, not a hidden secret or not well communicated thing<br />
* peter - so the process seemed weird to you<br />
* paige - i thought it was weekly delegates meetings still, so i posted an emai right before<br />
* jemma - the week after we started saying weekly delegates meetings nobody showed up, and then it was thanksgiving. I had never seen those people before, except for you paige and Silver, and i didn't see anything mentioned on consensus threads. We had discussed before in delegates meetings we need to have proposals discusssed ahead of time so that things can be brought back to their collectives and discussed, not just have delegates making decisions on their own<br />
* paige - I hear that and i'm sorry for just going along with that meeting, i've talked about this before<br />
* jemma - maybe hiring someone who manages our volunteers, they're getting burned out because they're putting in work that's not being asked of them, and it's unfair on both sides because i don't want them to be forced ... or do work that they're going to get paid for if they volunteer...i see a lot of people get burned out and they shouldnt' be putting in that much work if they're going to get burned out, it makes the space a lot harder to work in<br />
* jake - can we talk about PP and meeting tomorrow<br />
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* jake - theres people who feel like i do, the things PP are proposing are not real, story they are telling us to get what they want, which is for us to hand over the building. PP like CLP will use whatever insuations or threats of boycotts, rumors, direct violence on peoples bodies, bad faith accusations of racism and islamophobia. i have no confidence that we can work with them or any good thing will come from pretending that it is a legitimate conversation<br />
* peter - i think we should stall. keep them in play as long as possible until we have a viable option. they said they are willing negotiate. we make a counter offer. i think we should call their bluff. they have an anonymous donor. would be comfortable with <br />
* jake - when we asked them last meeting for more detail, they didnt say sure, they said you want to involves lawyers, you want more detail? thats offence<br />
* cere - i dont see the mulberry trust caring. they communicate through lawyer. i dont see how communicating with them forestalls anything<br />
* alex - assuming, not saying true, if PP saying everyything in bad faith. what<br />
* jake - not bad faith, explicit they want full control of the building<br />
* alex - so should paige block vote tomorrow?<br />
* jake - yes<br />
* alex - so that might not produce results we want. that might put us in position of being blockers of what everyone else wants<br />
* jake - ok we should block any deciscions like that. my belief is we have 85 days after notice of default, which they can do on jan 1. in my view we do not need to do anything like make that kind of deciscion until <br />
* alex - other delegates welcome to negotiation.<br />
* jake - <br />
* paige - some collectives were wiling to discuss it more<br />
* Yar - I don't think anybody else from Omni will be actively pushing to accept the PP proposal as written, so a block is not necessary. Sudo can just say that our position is defer until we can develop a counter offer<br />
* alex - jake has proposed to say no to everything<br />
* jake - if there is a proposal<br />
* alex - there is one its vague, way is to make a counter proposal<br />
* jemma - do you have a counterproposal in mind?<br />
* alex - we talked about a few things last meeting. theres a few things, how the governance would be affected. not quite clear from proposal. they say administrative duties, but that seems inconsistent<br />
* yar - we should have a meeting with Jesse. He's leaving for vacation Monday<br />
* jake - when we have had tried to have more discussion about detail, they pushed back and they said and they are going to take over entirely and thats it. importantly <br />
* x - notes paused, others sorting it out, request for focus on being present in the conversation. Reference to chat in jitsi, there hasn't been additional chat there for last 10 minutes.<br />
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* jake - my perspective was that we should accept the proposal or stop wasting their time<br />
* paige - this is projecting<br />
* jake - when patrik said we cant agree to the proposal as its written right now, they pushed back and said its offensive, and pushed back that we should get lawyers involved<br />
* alex - so take it or leave it<br />
* jemma - its very vague about what they want to do. thats their offer to my understanding.<br />
* yar - i was at that meeting to, sitting right next to Abbas and Delency. I suggested we get lawyers, Abbas nodded, Yemi asked us what kind of things we would want to see in a proposal. Jake the understanding of your posture... i understand where you are coming from from the notes, but this is a negotiation, but we should make a good faith proposal ready. also in case of other offers, we should have a vision outlined, a vision of building sharing. and this is a good opportunity to do that. <br />
* peter - was there no pressure to rush<br />
* yar - delency said something about that, but I don't think he meant it the way you're taking it<br />
* jake - abbas said that too<br />
* jemma - i cant say "too bad", i either take it seriously or i dont. if what their suggesting is serious<br />
* yar - we should just be focusing on what a counter offer looks like<br />
* william - my impression, is that this is a plan to take the building, from the past year. for the deciscion, is there any sort of legal protections that could work for us if they own the building. i dont think thats true. so no way forward that would actually benefit us. <br />
* yar - i would say a counterproposal should involve fractional ownership<br />
* alex - even if you characterize it completely in bad faith, you have to convince other delegates. you cant just say no, should have a counter proposal<br />
* william - lots of differet things we can do, could do a list of things why not <br />
* alex - both people who think bad faith, and those who think it is good start, both would benefit <br />
* peter - memorandum on understanding. start trust building, see if they are willing to join. i agree with yar that this is an exercise collective need to do. but fractional ownership, idea, we agree on high value of building, they are giving 875,000, so devide that and they get about 17% of the building. pretty much we are condo-izing omni. if you never build trust, think of it that way<br />
* eric - and then have a buy out option<br />
* peter - yes and a divorce option, for us to buy the building back over time, we could argue about the total value and the amounts involved etc<br />
* yar - i would say that in addition to pay off the debt, they are not interested in building unless they can fix it up to their standards. if they are going to spend that kind of money, that should go towards ownership. some fiar arrangement there needed<br />
* peter - state of californai relicency centers. omni could qualify. if we trust pallavi to be a good grant writer we could get a lot of money to approve omni. we can bring it up, but if we can get our act together, we could pull that act off on our own<br />
* alex - ok so are we starting on a counter proposal right now?<br />
* yar - yes i think there are other options to consider<br />
* yar - i dont like term condoizing, because it means something more than we mean it to. i would say just fractional ownership<br />
* alex - paige suggested full control of ballroom<br />
* peter - could negotiate full control of revenue up to a cap<br />
* alex - how would we make <br />
* paige - theres statement of them working with us in their proposal<br />
* jemma - on paper sound like a cool group, but interactions with them has made me not think they know how to handle conflict, and given they are still involved with boycott, makes me think this is not a viable thing to do at this time. i dont think we should making any counter offer that involves any part of the building. it feels rude to them. i dont want to waste their time. my experience, experience between omni . we should address that. they came in to be intimidating<br />
* william - if we werent a leftsit organization, we would changing the locks and getting restraining order<br />
* peter - is that something to bring up<br />
* jake - red flag, you dont go on another date with them<br />
* cere - i agree with jake actually that kid of dynamic if you're going to invite an abuser to up the ante when you show weakness like that, also when anybody comes to us with respect to equity and shares etc, if we're going to take seriously that they're going to take credit for improvements then we need to do the same thing and figure out the value of the property and improvements that we've made, that's another thing to think about<br />
* peter - i would agree with you in principle but in commercial real estate i dont know if we want the answer, re; the value of the building, we should think about a reasonable number that we could sell<br />
* cere - i agree its an unknow<br />
* peter - if i were their anonymous lender and they found out that we have a tax lien i would walk away, so we should be careful about ...hard to get a good assessment of the building until someone signs on the purchase agreement<br />
* alex - how are you going to convince the other delegates about peoples programs, that they didnt agree to take down the tweets and all that, <br />
* william - what if we said just stop boycotting us, we'll figure out the loan ourselves<br />
* jemma - the only other delegates, Toan (fnb) and other than CCL are Liberated Lens and FNB (paige: and sketchboard) so we've had problems with quorum, there have been more than one time when we had to call Natalie to get quorum<br />
* alex - what i am going off is, is that other delegates are open to PP. is that what you think? <br />
* jemma - what other group are we talking about. I think natalie is supporting based off of protests. I think Toan is <br />
* jake - 3 of them opposed to FNB, but 1 is in favor. point i want to come back to, PP asked directly about the hostile and threatening behaivior about iranian dissident. asked if they would make iranians feel safe. they answered no. josh responeded that since they heard other people feel unsafe at omni, we shouldnt ask PP to keep people safe<br />
* peter - we should put this in a memorandum<br />
* alex - that can be one of SR conditions for working with PP.<br />
* paige - explains Abbas response... not settled but think we should be actonable and get these people together<br />
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* alex - Jems are you saying that sudoroom and CCL dominate the decision ?<br />
* jems - not sure how voting will go. i think sudo room and ccl feel no. ccl member got the "lets go outside" comment. i think it woild be really surprising for people to vote yes on this, after someone has alluded to violence, taken pictures, all public meeting. it was innappropriate and we shouldnt be going through an arbitration process, they should start that process. they should initiate that if they are working in good faith, if they dont then lets stop<br />
* peter - as a good faith thing. if we end on that note they will keep twitter up<br />
* alex - if your certain that everyone will go our way, then we should call a vote tomorrow.<br />
* peter - we need to keep them around to show mulberry trust<br />
* alex - if we know votes are there, then <br />
* jake - consensus - 1, so two blocks. my understanding that CCL will not allow omni to give it to PP. and SR should say no <br />
* alex - if we know vote will go our way we should vote to reject the proposal tomorrow. obvious<br />
* jake - not obvious to me<br />
* jemma - i disagree because other people, yar and silver who are going and working with these groups and trying to get them involved in space. i dont know why. i think anything that does that will create a lot of hell. <br />
* alex - will that effect the vote<br />
* jake - what will be vote?<br />
* alex - we reject their offer<br />
* jemma - if it comes up, then that is something that can go well<br />
* alex - as time goes on, people int he omni are going to get more panicked, because we're getting closer nd closer to losing the building, so you might as well do it now if you have the votes.<br />
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* jake - they could just bring it back later if they wanted<br />
* peter - i want to trust that if this is really a bad deal for Omni and the other collective members, it will tend toward that direction rather than ... groups thinking they will walk away with some fracional value if foreclosed...if they're really as bad as people say, it's going to come out<br />
* alex - working out the hairy details is more likely to cause infighting in the delegates meetings which is going to be to the advantage of someone trying to take over<br />
* jemma - i don't think it's a terrible idea what you're suggesying but i dont know how to do it, doesnt sound tactical, we can do this but everyone...they're going to call us racist for not accepting our proposal... idont see the need to push for the vote tomorrow, maybe they will change, but i dont see that right now<br />
* alex - the only other way forward is to come up with a counterproposal<br />
* jemma - a proper timeline<br />
* alex - the vagueness in the proposal lying dormant for 90 days is bad for us, being the weaker party in this negotiation, to leave a proposal like that vague, since accepting the proposal is more and more likely as time goes on, we didn't make a counterproposal to make it less vague <br />
* peter - make a vague counterproposal<br />
* jemma - it would be nice if we consider a counterproposal it could include apologies and protections for iranian dissidents, put something on the table for them that's solid, if they don't accept them then we can talk about that, but we do need to have those kinds of protections, otherwise we're wasting each others time. Giving them actual things that we are really concerned about that are solid things that we feel are wrong, is a good way to give them the ability to keep moving forward, or things like physical safety for others, insuring that iranian dissidents are, on paper, they will support those kinds of things, will either affect them or us. That is our counterproposal. We can't write a counterproposal tonight, even a vague one, that's just not full thouht out. We need more time. And then if not, then we part ways.<br />
* peter - are these things important to the other collectives?<br />
* jemma - probably several of the collectives, not unreasonable asks for us to go forward, if they can honestly do the work and prove me wrong that would be fantastic, but i dont see that at this time because these things have been unadressed<br />
* alex - so this is a pre counter proposal proposal, what if tomorrow we just say that we're working on a counterproposal, it's going to contain these things for sure, and also things like fractional ownership, and see how they react to that, instead of <br />
* jake - right away these are things that are imporatnat to us. we are not going to accept a refusal to ensure the safety of iranian dissidents. "endangering them. given a soft ball question, they gave a long speech about why they are not going to. 2nd. they are claiming they are distanced from clp. we dont know that. their saying they are not partners, but also unwiling to walk back the claims about us that they have forwarded. presumably they are not interested in pushing back on CLP, telling them to stop emailing people from our email list. they are easy friends with clp and call off them off, or they are not and can drop claims. either the same and friends or separate and willign to nuance their present position<br />
* william - last meeting had a big pyschological effect on me. if we are actually working towards a goal to get the building again, our volunteers cant be doing a meeting like this every week<br />
* paige - thats why my response was selling the ballroom<br />
* peter - in order to go on we need to trust you. <br />
* cere - seems like there's two framings: either now ith conditions or yes with conditions, or you can say it's unclear maybe yes and here's the following reasons. We should maybe agree what those conditions are. We are starting to agree on conditions 1. this blakmailing thing is not what's up, other things i forgot. We can agree on those conditions, potentially maybe we could go forward, or no we can't go forward and here's why<br />
* alex - we are ready to make a counterproposal but here's the line you need to come across if you want to move forward with us<br />
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* jemma - in proposal they say they are for all people in vague terms. getting that comment is important. way they treated ian innapropriate. way taking pictures of people is innapropriate. apologies for a boycott that they didnt look into. those are what ive written down as a bottom line, <br />
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* jake - regarding CLP, Peoples Programs need to either admit they're close enough to CLP to tell them to stop interfering with our business and call off the boycott (which was clearly just them being angry about being removed from Omni) OR Peoples Programs can show that they're not close to CLP and publicly explain that they were too hasty in echoing and promoting the boycott, and clarify the things they are actually concerned about. trying to be specific in the wording for this requirement of them.<br />
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* ed - i ahve a buddy who works with chinese housing market. if theres equity in the building, sell it for cash. i think that is reasonable. but i would not want to be in association with a nationalist group. from what ive seen theres nothing that is good will come out of this<br />
* william - i get really excited reading about them. also from meeting, it sounds great. we cant be next to that hostility. <br />
* paige - we should recognize that we're going to come in contact with them again, we are a leftist space and work on same goals, and we should not be hostile with them, the number of times i've heard about this iranian thing...this is responding to the comment that nothing good could come of this<br />
* cere - is your perspetive that we could achieve the same goals and<br />
* paige - yes by having a counterproposal<br />
* x - CLP abbreviation for? Community Liberation Programs<br />
* jake - used to be workers community kitchen at peoples park. PP should be clarifying their connection with CLP. Specifically as relates to attacks on sudo infrastructure<br />
* alex - what if instead of that, as a precondition we say that CLP will be specifically disallowed from being in the building<br />
* jemma - there is a new collective, sketchboard, which has joined since CLP was kicked out, and we don't know their position on this<br />
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* more discussion <br />
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== FNB discussion ==<br />
* benny - fnb wants to approve<br />
* alex - we were planning to make a counterproposal, under impression we are not going to vote tomorrow. CCL is deciding to not want to work with PP either. i dont know where that leaves us<br />
* jemma - SR and CCL did not meet together, rooms are conjoined. we could just over heard each other. <br />
* benny - the practicality of that is understandable. trying to find email, give me one sec. <br />
* alex - is FNB going to have any stipulations<br />
* benny - no we believe we are not in the position as an organization of FNB or a collective of collective to run a space in a historically black area. not FNB official position. our position is all of the arguments against PP joining, we found were not substantiated by us interacting with them, or the organizations we have contacted about this. other people who have partnered with them in the past have provided any backup for claims we heard. we were satisfied with how abbas and delency responded to critiques of their politics. people who were in conversation were excited about PP coming to steward the space. our main objection is to avoid foreclosure. <br />
* patrik - <br />
* jemma - other collectives are not trying to foreclose. there are options that are better for our existence going forward. our own interactions with the group, and their support of the boycott have been our concerns<br />
* patrik - wondering if FNB had any discussion of other options considered, which include land trust and LLC. David Keenan said land trusts are still an option and he has connections to pull something like that off<br />
* benny - this might be a issue with how omni info is available to me, but thought we heard from Pallavi that there info is not substantial enough to be taken seriously. response to other proposals were a joke. someone with more financial literacy. <br />
* patrik - that is not what she said in the meeting. those options were not fleshed out yet, just like PP was not as fleshed out<br />
* benny - might be emotional language, but 100% true that she said other proposals brought up were a joke. response as our understanding to other proposals - everything else aside, we are in favor of the peoples program proposal. it is important that we are not excluding a black org based on politics. not trying to invalidate peoples other experiences. even the other things aside, our preference is against foreclosure and in favor of peoples programs<br />
* william - whats been shown tonight that CCL has chosen based off political issues, and SR is concerned about safety and intention issues. we dont know because we dont have any trust with them and no ability to verify anything about them. i am really editoralizing.<br />
* patrik - i wouldnt say ccl doing it for political reasons either. ccl members have problem with pro-iran stance, but selling building for $850k <br />
* paige - my understanding <br />
threat of violence<br />
* benny - i think that was disproportionate with what i understand. incliding phrases like "are we doing this" "do you want to go". i use that to say lets de-escalate this to another context. <br />
* jemma - not in a way lets talk this out, but as a way to silence<br />
* benny - i was there and ian was standing up and pointing a finger at someone who just talked about being a black member at omni common. we have to look seriously at how we are racializing violence and speech<br />
* jemma - i dont remember finger pointing but, i was sitting where you were. i also remember people getting their picture taking, and no response to <br />
* silver - i feel frustrated about double standard just recently Ian came and yelled at black woman who was alone in the media lab. using threatening intimidation. i dont appreciate this level of double standard. ians behaivior towards tai who also is member of PP (of course he didnt know) <br />
* benny - i also dont know if PP are familiar with email about someone getting attacked at omni. about matao who has been banned prior. basically she has done a bunch of negative posts about omni. somehow she got into the building. i personally witnessed ian screaming in a way, threatening privately in basement in omni, in a way that i dont want to draw this into a long accountability sections. but why should a white dude be able to walk around?<br />
* silver - just recently but not too long after being called out as a zionist, i was threatened by jake if i do not delete a post on instagram that he will tell everyone i was a zionist<br />
* jake - that was after you put up a post about me.<br />
* silver - it wasnt about you, it was a post about omni<br />
* pallavi - it doesnt matter what happened before that, ___ did you ask her to take it down?<br />
* jake - yes i asked politely. then i can post whatever. you put <br />
* pallavi - i wanted to know if anyone had been named specifically. this should be separate conflict resolution if we want to be in community with one another. as a third party professional coming into it, as person of color is looking at how pp has been talked about, makes me very uncomfotable, hostility happening in this envirnomnent shows me that oyu dont know how to sit down and handle conversation. i have seen their conflict resolution skills have shown up in person. behoove you to look at notes and see if pp actually said. same thing that we dont let people report on 3rd party, have to go to actual source. dont have screaming matches. i understand ppl emotional because names are raked through the mud. but rn only viable solution is pp, llc not enough time. i have been out but from what i could see in emails, enough progress has not been made to make that a viable solution. got to put the petty bullshit aside. got to do whats better for the greater solution. ive been working for a black led org for last 2 years, have seen displacement. it feels like, i am witnessing severe amount of empathy for person of color experience. what ive witnessed, pp said they experienced a modern day lynch mob. i think some of you shpuld be ashamed for not having a semblance of understanding of the plight of poc. this is maybe why integration doesnt work. unless you have a real deep understanding of poc, you dont understand where that sentiment comes from. we have had boots on our necks for generations and you are blocking people from seeking collective liberation. that is literally most important thing happening right now. i can believe any rationale for otherwise<br />
* jems - if we were blocking it i would agree, but we dont want to see a vote tomorrow. want less vagueness. few things we want to discuss before counterproposal. dont want a hard block. do have some trust issues. some things that made people feel uncomfortable. some ppl talked about bringing in lawyers. this is a really big legal discussion, should really look at what this looks like. they want to keep their own collectives going. i think there are ways to come forward, but both CCL and SR not wanting to vote tomorrow<br />
* pallavi - if we do not vote tomorrow, how clear is that deadline. cant wait until foreclosure. costly to wait and go into foreclosure, that has been the consensus<br />
* patrik - i think we have 90 day before foreclosure to do osmething<br />
* pallavi - you were only one who said that, other people were concerned. i dont know specific details, but <br />
* patrik - if we have things in the works, we can ask mulberry to delay. if we are talking about LLC or land trust, i dont think <br />
* pallavi - how realistic do you think those are<br />
* patrik - i think very realistic, david k a founding member and member of saferDIY said community land trusts are a very viable option<br />
* pallavi - if PP gets block, and trust doesnt work out, do you know how angry pp going to be<br />
* benny - omni failing to sustain black membership, realstic proposal offered generously to save omni, - what omni is saying is we rather work with black people<br />
* jake - you should be specific because black ppl kicked out by CLP<br />
* benny - articulations against black new african politics have been unsubstianted with t. you dont know their politics. black led org has done better than what you will ever do in your life. <br />
* pallavi - i wanted to add context to infrastructure. my cousin is an enterntainment advising, has been doing legal advising for them. nonprofit experience. i know they have been giving good nonprofit backing. i know these people but they are family with my family. i know a lot of you dont know me because im new but im the kind of person this community needs. im trying to get you all funded, but ive been doing this work, been trying to support. only 8% of foundation support goes to poc. such inequity. if yo udont have a heart ot actually to right by people of color. why are you are here if you dont want to coexist with people of color. <br />
* silver - facilitator spke to me after talking to patrik, paige , and jake. they told me its idiotic to give 100% ownership to anyone when we had invested in the building. i totally agree with that. i dont see the capability of omni to run anything. thats were i came from initially, i was like give it to watever. that wasnt productive. but you all couldnt come up with a counterproposal. you all just edited grammar.<br />
* patrik - i did<br />
* silver - ye a you did. but people here dont want to run a building. i just want focus on media lab.. i dont want to run this other stuff, we are doing it poorly. facilitator said no, and yar, said 50/50 or 60/40, create that proposal. i dont know what that proposal is. but that migt be an offer on the table. i think there has been a strong no because it was vague. but we have to do work in the negotians too. i want us to enter space and have that dialogue with them. i dont know what tomorrow is but i want to hear from everyone. last thing they felt intense anti-blackness and racial harm with conversation they had with jake. they were uncomfortable with you speaking on behalf of black people to a black person<br />
* jake - the ppl i was speaking on behalf of were pushed out by clp<br />
* benny - you can just say shit. black politic<br />
* jake - if you dont agree wit them you want out<br />
* benny<br />
* j - pan africanism, they were explicit<br />
* b - yes<br />
* j - what if ppl who disagree with pan-africanism<br />
* p - it doesnt matter if you disagree. they have conflict resolution. trained in being able to sit down<br />
* j - thats not what weve seen<br />
* b - thats what they<br />
* j - clp said they werent stalinists<br />
* jemma- i hear you all, great to say their. but your saying we disagree with proposal means we are racist. name calling issue. this building includes finances put into it. i would love opportunity to discuss conflict with pp. i dont think we can go into the weeds right now about politics is good. but i do want to give PP that opportunity. dont feel trust right now with how the offer is being made. <br />
* benny - i want to make distinction. racist . way it is being discussed is racist. i think im sitting in latter category. the way we are interacting wit it . not agreeing to giving them . giving someone money example. thanks for mentioning that articulation and letting me respond to it<br />
* jemma - some things we are really worried about is sharing of boycott, and their relationship to CLP. <br />
* pallavi - they have talked about this multiple times<br />
* jemma - yes i was there. they said they have been an arbiter.<br />
* pallavi - discussed history of how they were introduced. you were not satisfied?<br />
* jemma - they shared things on boycott<br />
* pallavi - they are currently doing this?<br />
* jemma - yes we asked them to take that down and they were unclear of how to move forward. this is something we could discuss.<br />
* silver - this is a double standard again. see what jake conflict rn, how jake threatened to say i was a zionist<br />
* eric - conflict you have with jake is really hot, not the thing to prove the rule. something fresh and hard to watch says we are hopeless to talk to other people and make connection.<br />
* carl - hi im carl, SR member. but not very involved in politics here for a bit. my view on pure financial basis, but i think PP bid is way low. if they want bid on whole building. that alone sounds like bad deal to us. i think we should wait til we get a better deal<br />
* paige - it wasnt just that<br />
* carl - you can make any agreement, but they can kick us out. please dont give our power away<br />
* silver - why dont we work on proposal then<br />
* pallavi - yea why dont you ask for what you want<br />
* jemma- good q and we are working on that, but means we cant make a deciscion tomorrow. and we want some trust building things first. but we need to have some basic kind of trust building between groups<br />
* patrik - there are ways to make this more legally binding. i was put off by their reluctance to put more legal, and didnt put detail into it<br />
* silver - we should collaborate instead of thinking the worse<br />
* patrik - they are a newer org than we are, event space they have right now is managed by event management team. not quite certain what expertise they are bringing in<br />
* silver - can be any less than ours<br />
* patrik - willingness to run the space is something,yes<br />
* benny - on the note of trust building, thing i am thinking. identity positionality. maybe we do the first thing to trust build. i dont see much of us reaching out to them. we are holding all the cards. do we offer them a collective spot straight up? starting tomorrow. thats how we know we are invested in this community trust building project. how can we do the first step. <br />
* carl - in return for what<br />
* silver - people power. we are all burned out<br />
* benny - extending an olive branch. they should be a part of omni purely on basis of what their organization does, at no rent. what they are offering doesnt matter. means black ppl at omni have a seat at this table<br />
* jemma - but they are already sharing boycott, thats really hurting us. thats why we have solid steps to put forward. basically they are giving us a proposal for 1/3 or less to have full ownership. i dont see where us coming in and giving more is helpful given them promoting a boycott. pp isnt banned from space, they are showing up at omni right at sewing lab. like i said there are some actions, as a group, that currently we need to have some progress on before considering working on together<br />
* alex - if they had a vote on delegate, then they would be able to determine terms of their proposal. conflict of interest?<br />
* benny - trying to work live, sorry, how about an offering, they get a delegate to omni. they stop their participation in the boycott. and also stipulate they will recuse themselves from any financial deciscions in the real estate deal. because of the concerned voice<br />
* alex - what does end? do they issue a repediation of their support?<br />
* benny - they take down their post, and say they are no longer supporting boycott, and they become a member of omni commons<br />
* paige - token problem... but i guess we are trying to build trust<br />
* benny - prisoners dillemma. <br />
* jemma - i dont htink this is the best analogy<br />
* ebnny - maybe more predominately white group needs to put the burden of risk<br />
* jemma- that doesnt work with vibe with message to collectives that they can stay here and everything can stay the same. people want to know what that looks like. we have really solid steps, not just taking down a tweet. i guess we'll see tomorrow what that looks like. i have to head out<br />
* william - i really love PP and CLP's stated politics, and would love to follow black leadership to do more community focused direct outreach, but with that, with what ive heard, it seems natural to be weary given everything that has happened with clp. i think best thing to do is more learning and more investigation. <br />
* paige - concern about<br />
* benny - they responde that they felt attacked, they felt unsafe, so i am going to document this person. legitimacy of that is up in the air . my undestanding was their response was they felt attacked. i am reading about the disappearance of black organizers. history of being an op, and then disappearing. they have agree do <br />
* silver - ill ask un<br />
* jemma - <br />
* silver - that night when we put abbas on trial, when i opened door, he ducked, he is scared <br />
* pallavi - you have empathy, people are coming from a traumatic background. one of the things, a lot of us have been through a lot of trauma. when you are going through a traumatic experience, a lot of things are bypassed. hes clearly done a lot of work to try and respond to that. proof to show he is not beyond learning. PP hasnt done anything to show against the idea that they are personal reasonable people, and really get to the bottom of things. just been so rushed, only been able to speak via the delegates. we should just get down to the brass tacks, if you want to be very specfic, be specific. yall are smart people, you could do a 30min consult with a lawyer. they might know specifics in buying a building, but a lot of us dont know. this is all new to all of us. have to give each other grace. need to focus on those line items of what to ask. what else do you need to see, what are you waiting for. <br />
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Current Building Proposals Document:<br />
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(Possible exclusion to any given Wednesday just before the end of the year and when the future of the space and omni commons is being hotly debated)<br />
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TODO: Some more info on <pre>sudo make meeting --excellence TRUE</pre><br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-12-20|2023-12-20]]<br />
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| PP proposal and counterproposals in advance of omni meeting<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-12-13|2023-12-13]]<br />
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| PP proposal, proposal to set up LLC<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-11-02|2023-11-02]]<br />
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| omni collective statement and finances<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-10-05|2023-10-05]]<br />
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| informal, how to make sudoroom more welcoming, delegate position and duties<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-27|2023-09-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-20|2023-09-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-06|2023-09-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-08-02|2023-08-02]]<br />
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| event planning<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-07-05|2023-07-05]]<br />
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| cnc router, organizing ourselves<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-06-07|2023-06-07]]<br />
| none<br />
| member stats, save omni, keeping space clean, event ideas<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-03-01|2023-03-01]]<br />
| Our big March Meeting<br />
| Plans for March<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-25|2023-01-25]]<br />
| low stakes meeting<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-11|2023-01-11]]<br />
| Start of the new year<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2022-04-06|2022-04-06]]<br />
| Arthur <br /> Eva <br /> PWM <br /> PB<br />
| Four new members, plus two proposals<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-06-02|2021-06-02]]<br />
| kabirdas<br />
| electrical and ventilation<br />
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| | [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-26|2021-05-26]]<br />
| <br />
| Reopening, project and event ideas<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-19|2021-05-19]]<br />
| Nik<br />
| Reopening, access control, computers<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-12|2021-05-12]]<br />
| <br />
| Sudo Room decides to continue existing and stuff<br />
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| [[Sudoroom_Meeting_2019_04_03|2019-04-03]]<br />
| <br />
| discussion & consensus about GCEA proposals & paying Jenny for bookkeeping<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-04-11|2018-04-11]]<br />
| Rich<br />
| Steve banned, omni proposals mentioned but not discussed<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-03-14|2018-03-14]]<br />
| Tom Levine <br /> Andrew Vaziri<br />
| Change to membership process passed, endorsing statement from The Village to City, discussion of conflict w/ Steve<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-01-10|2018-01-10]]<br />
| Jacques <br /> Noah<br />
| melissa and sierk as new omni delegates; <br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-12-13|2017-12-13]]<br />
| * Adam Bredenberg <br /> Melissa Crow <br /> Pato <br /> Adam <br /> Eric <br /> Jan<br />
| discussion of finances, omni cafe proposal discussion<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-29|2017-11-29]]<br />
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| Another irregular meeting, with two topics of interest.<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-08|2017-11-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-01|2017-11-01]]<br />
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| Not a usual meeting date, but notes were taken.<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-13|2017-08-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-09|2017-08-09]]<br />
| Kyle <br /> Matt <br /> Rayc<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-07-12|2017-07-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-05-10|2017-05-10]]<br />
| Corey <br /> Travis <br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-04-12|2017-04-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-03-08|2017-03-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-02-08|2017-02-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-25|2017-01-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-11|2017-01-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-04|2017-01-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-12-14|2016-12-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-16|2016-11-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-09|2016-11-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-10-12|2016-10-12]]<br />
| Vienna<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-09-14|2016-09-14]]<br />
| T Maes <br /> Evan Short<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-17|2016-08-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-10|2016-08-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-07-20|2016-07-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-07-13|2016-07-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-15|2016-06-15]]<br />
| Eric <br /> Wen-qing <br /> Alex <br /> Yvonne<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-08|2016-06-08]]<br />
| Tim <br /> Chris <br /> Lindsey<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-05-11|2016-05-11]]<br />
| James <br /> Corey <br /> Benjamin Huang<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-27|2016-04-27]]<br />
| Elliot<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-20|2016-04-20]]<br />
| Syd<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-13|2016-04-13]]<br />
| Abhiram<br />Pete Forsyth<br />Dirty Bill<br />Chris<br />Jamie<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-06|2016-04-06]]<br />
| Jacob<br />Jason<br />
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| 2016-03-30<br />
|rowspan=6 colspan=2 align=center|We totally flaked for the entire month of March.<br />
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| 2016-03-23<br />
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| 2016-03-23<br />
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| 2016-03-16<br />
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| 2016-03-09<br />
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| 2016-03-02<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-24|2016-02-24]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-17|2016-02-17]]<br />
| bstack<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-10|2016-02-10]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-03|2016-02-03]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-27|2016-01-27]]<br />
| Jay<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-20|2016-01-20]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-13|2016-01-13]]<br />
| <br />
| cancelled-ish<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-06|2016-01-06]]<br />
| nathan<br />Nick<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-30|2015-12-30]]<br />
| Charley<br />
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| 2015-12-23<br />
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| no signs of having happened<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-16|2015-12-16]]<br />
| Daisy<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-09|2015-12-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-02|2015-12-02]]<br />
| Max<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-25|2015-11-25]]<br />
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| didn't really happen, blame thanksgiving<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-18|2015-11-18]]<br />
| morgan<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-11|2015-11-11]]<br />
| Kwaku<br />Gracie<br />Micolah<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-04|2015-11-04]]<br />
| dane<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-10-28|2015-10-28]]<br />
| Andrew<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-21|2015-10-21]]<br />
| Merry<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-14|2015-10-14]]<br />
| Alex<br />Lef<br />Mari<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-07|2015-10-07]]<br />
| Tom<br />Daron<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-30|2015-09-30]]<br />
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| Insufficient critical mass<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-23|2015-09-23]]<br />
| Ari<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-16|2015-09-16]]<br />
| david<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-09|2015-09-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-02|2015-09-02]]<br />
| Benji<br />
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[[Category:SudoRoom Organization]][[Category:Meetings]]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12348Sparcstation2023-11-16T21:04:02Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
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<div>= sparcstation 5 =<br />
* the Ethernet port sometimes does not get a link, it seems to be a hardware issue. There is no way to observe from software but the link light on the network switch doesn't light up (the Sparcstation ethernet port does not have LEDs) so we should try a different computer next.<br />
* The NVRAM chip's battery has been replaced similar to [https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/s/J1PLS9AZNU the image in this reddit post]<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time, and to fix that, at the "ok" prompt type [https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2436891-timeout-waiting-for-arp-rarp-on-booting "setenv boot-device disk"] and "setenv diag-device disk" and "setenv tpe-link-test? false" and then "nvstore"<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
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* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<code>./netup</code><br />
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* /netup is just this:<br><br />
<code><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* we the following is in /etc/resolv.conf<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* and did this<br />
<code>cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf</code><br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
[https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/QAAD2R72X3X7JLLH4PJASNXSHVG6ZNQ6/ see this email thread]<br />
<br />
[https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0916/ipconfig-13/index.html echo jackpumpkin > /etc/hostname.leo]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
* The actual last three bytes of the MAC address are on a sticker on the NVRAM chip and should be entered in the above instructions, both places in the instructions above must match!<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12347Sparcstation2023-11-15T09:03:26Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
<hr />
<div>= sparcstation 5 =<br />
* The NVRAM chip's battery has been replaced similar to [https://www.reddit.com/r/retrobattlestations/s/J1PLS9AZNU the image in this reddit post]<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time, and to fix that, at the "ok" prompt type [https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2436891-timeout-waiting-for-arp-rarp-on-booting "setenv boot-device disk"] and "setenv diag-device disk" and "setenv tpe-link-test? false" and then "nvstore"<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<code>./netup</code><br />
<br><br />
<br />
* /netup is just this:<br><br />
<code><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* we the following is in /etc/resolv.conf<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* and did this<br />
<code>cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf</code><br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
[https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/QAAD2R72X3X7JLLH4PJASNXSHVG6ZNQ6/ see this email thread]<br />
<br />
[https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0916/ipconfig-13/index.html echo jackpumpkin > /etc/hostname.leo]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
* The actual last three bytes of the MAC address are on a sticker on the NVRAM chip and should be entered in the above instructions, both places in the instructions above must match!<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12346Sparcstation2023-11-15T08:04:24Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
<hr />
<div>= sparcstation 5 =<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time, and to fix that, at the "ok" prompt type [https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2436891-timeout-waiting-for-arp-rarp-on-booting "setenv boot-device disk"] and "setenv diag-device disk" and "setenv tpe-link-test? false" and then "nvstore"<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<code>./netup</code><br />
<br><br />
<br />
* /netup is just this:<br><br />
<code><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* we the following is in /etc/resolv.conf<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* and did this<br />
<code>cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf</code><br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
[https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/QAAD2R72X3X7JLLH4PJASNXSHVG6ZNQ6/ see this email thread]<br />
<br />
[https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0916/ipconfig-13/index.html echo jackpumpkin > /etc/hostname.leo]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Infrared_rework_station&diff=12345Infrared rework station2023-11-15T01:37:29Z<p>Jerkey: Created page with "= infrared rework soldering station = infrared rework handpiece * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VySTIRoPtt4 a video of PDR IR-X110 Rework Station in use] * PDRX110 user manual PDF * this is for removing or replacing delicate surface-mount components including BGA chips like eMMC * we have two of them, the handpiece is similar on both, but the base and control are different * the..."</p>
<hr />
<div>= infrared rework soldering station =<br />
[[File:Infrared_rework_handle.jpeg|right|infrared rework handpiece]]<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VySTIRoPtt4 a video of PDR IR-X110 Rework Station in use]<br />
* [[File:PDRX110-IR_Infrared_Rework_Station.pdf|PDRX110 user manual PDF]]<br />
* this is for removing or replacing delicate surface-mount components including BGA chips like eMMC<br />
* we have two of them, the handpiece is similar on both, but the base and control are different<br />
* the handpiece contains a 150 watt 12 volt halogen bulb, inside a special expensive gold-foiled reflector<br />
* the light bulb is cheap and easy to find, the reflector is irreplacable<br />
* the handpiece rests in a cooling fan since it gets hot during use<br />
* the tip of the handpiece contains a piece of glass that blocks visible light (so you don't get blinded while using it)<br />
<br />
== a similar rework station ==<br />
* [https://www.reichelt.com/de/en/smd-bga-infra-red-soldering-system-including-preheater-station-ir-860-p92246.html a STATION IR-860 found on the internet]<br />
[[File:STATIONIR-860_08.png|something similar to ours]]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:Infrared_rework_handle.jpeg&diff=12344File:Infrared rework handle.jpeg2023-11-15T01:36:26Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
<hr />
<div></div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:PDRX110-IR_Infrared_Rework_Station.pdf&diff=12343File:PDRX110-IR Infrared Rework Station.pdf2023-11-15T01:32:55Z<p>Jerkey: http://www.coltronics.com.au/DATA/PDRX110-IR%20Rework%20Station.pdf
infrared rework station manual</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
http://www.coltronics.com.au/DATA/PDRX110-IR%20Rework%20Station.pdf<br />
infrared rework station manual</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:STATIONIR-860_08.png&diff=12342File:STATIONIR-860 08.png2023-11-15T01:19:27Z<p>Jerkey: infrared rework station for soldering surface mount components during removal and replacement</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
infrared rework station for soldering surface mount components during removal and replacement</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12341Sparcstation2023-11-09T09:12:04Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
<hr />
<div>== sparcstation 5 ==<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time, and to fix that, at the "ok" prompt type [https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2436891-timeout-waiting-for-arp-rarp-on-booting "setenv boot-device disk"] and "setenv diag-device disk" and "setenv tpe-link-test? false" and then "nvstore"<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<code>./netup</code><br />
<br><br />
<br />
* /netup is just this:<br><br />
<code><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* we the following is in /etc/resolv.conf<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* and did this<br />
<code>cp /etc/nsswitch.dns /etc/nsswitch.conf</code><br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
[https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/QAAD2R72X3X7JLLH4PJASNXSHVG6ZNQ6/ see this email thread]<br />
<br />
[https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0916/ipconfig-13/index.html echo jackpumpkin > /etc/hostname.leo]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12340Sparcstation2023-11-09T05:59:57Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
<hr />
<div>== sparcstation 5 ==<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time, and to fix that maybe [https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2436891-timeout-waiting-for-arp-rarp-on-booting "setenv boot-device disk"] and "setenv tpe-link-test? false" and then "nvstore"<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<br />
<code><br />
bash # this gives you a reasonable shell, with tab autocomplete and other important functionality<br><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* but even with the following in /etc/resolv.conf it can't resolve domain names, HOWEVER nslookup works:<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* lol when i went to Netscape and tried to visit <code>http://172.217.164.110</code> it said "Netscape is unable to locate the server www.google.com. Please check the server name and try again."<br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
[https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/806-0916/ipconfig-13/index.html echo jackpumpkin > /etc/hostname.leo]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12339Sparcstation2023-11-09T05:38:18Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
<hr />
<div>== sparcstation 5 ==<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time (and figure out how to fix that) [https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2436891-timeout-waiting-for-arp-rarp-on-booting probably: setenv boot-device=disk]<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<br />
<code><br />
bash # this gives you a reasonable shell, with tab autocomplete and other important functionality<br><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* but even with the following in /etc/resolv.conf it can't resolve domain names, HOWEVER nslookup works:<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* lol when i went to Netscape and tried to visit <code>http://172.217.164.110</code> it said "Netscape is unable to locate the server www.google.com. Please check the server name and try again."<br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12338Sparcstation2023-11-08T22:11:04Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
<hr />
<div>== sparcstation 5 ==<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time (and figure out how to fix that)<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<br />
<code><br />
bash # this gives you a reasonable shell, with tab autocomplete and other important functionality<br><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* but even with the following in /etc/resolv.conf it can't resolve domain names, HOWEVER nslookup works:<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* lol when i went to Netscape and tried to visit <code>http://172.217.164.110</code> it said "Netscape is unable to locate the server www.google.com. Please check the server name and try again."<br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12337Sparcstation2023-11-08T22:03:24Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
<hr />
<div>== sparcstation 5 ==<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time (and figure out how to fix that)<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<br />
<code><br />
bash # this gives you a reasonable shell, with tab autocomplete and other important functionality<br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* but even with the following in /etc/resolv.conf it can't resolve domain names, HOWEVER nslookup works:<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* lol when i went to Netscape and tried to visit <code>http://172.217.164.110</code> it said "Netscape is unable to locate the server www.google.com. Please check the server name and try again."<br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12336Sparcstation2023-11-08T09:43:27Z<p>Jerkey: /* sparcstation 5 */</p>
<hr />
<div>== sparcstation 5 ==<br />
* if it keeps trying to boot from network, try pressing STOP and A at the same time (and figure out how to fix that)<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk</code><br><br />
root<br><br />
sudo*room<br><br />
<br />
* once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<br />
<code><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
ifconfig le0 100.64.64.37/22<br><br />
route add default 100.64.64.1<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
* but even with the following in /etc/resolv.conf it can't resolve domain names, HOWEVER nslookup works:<br />
<code>domain jackpumpkin<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.8.8<br><br />
nameserver 8.8.4.4<br></code><br />
<br />
* lol when i went to Netscape and tried to visit <code>http://172.217.164.110</code> it said "Netscape is unable to locate the server www.google.com. Please check the server name and try again."<br />
<br />
[https://www.unix.com/solaris/45324-configuring-tp-ethernet-sparcstation-5-solaris-8-a.html maybe this will help make these settings automatic?]<br />
<br />
=== had to do this because the eeprom battery was dead ===<br />
* [https://gist.github.com/amdprophet/e010803d581d676003a90ba36da8a269 how to configure mac address] which was written using information from amdprophet's notes & [http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html http://www.obsolyte.com/sunFAQ/faq_nvram.html]<br />
<br />
* then after that, it didn't come up to the "ok" prompt anymore so I had to <br />
[https://www.unixguide.net/sun/faq/5.49.shtml press STOP and A keys at the same time to interrupt boot]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Sparcstation&diff=12335Sparcstation2023-11-08T07:55:20Z<p>Jerkey: Created page with "== sparcstation 5 == * at "ok" prompt, type <code>boot disk<br> username: root<br> password: sudo*room<br> </code> once its booted up, open a terminal and type <code> ifconfig le0 plumb<br> ifconfig le0 up<br> ifconfig le0 hw ether <br> ifconfig le0 <br> ifconfig le0 <br> ifconfig le0 <br> </code>"</p>
<hr />
<div>== sparcstation 5 ==<br />
* at "ok" prompt, type<br />
<br />
<code>boot disk<br><br />
username: root<br><br />
password: sudo*room<br><br />
</code><br />
<br />
once its booted up, open a terminal and type<br />
<br />
<code><br />
ifconfig le0 plumb<br><br />
ifconfig le0 up<br><br />
ifconfig le0 hw ether <br><br />
ifconfig le0 <br><br />
ifconfig le0 <br><br />
ifconfig le0 <br><br />
</code></div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Synthesis&diff=12330Synthesis2023-10-25T23:26:39Z<p>Jerkey: /* what is synthesis */</p>
<hr />
<div>== what is synthesis ==<br />
* synthesis is a raspberry pi with a [https://blokas.io/pisound/ pisound hat (shield)] for recording the synthesizer station at all times<br />
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/qk7glv/my_3rd_pi_build_pi4_8gb_with_pisound_this_one_is/ something someone made with their pisound hat]<br />
* message Jake for access<br />
* please note it's presently a Pi 4B but will be switched out for a 3 because we're already having to run 32bit Debian, because the piSound software is only for 32 bit<br />
<br />
[[File:M3iT_RPi4B-Pisound_DAC-MIDI-DAW-1-800x800.png]]<br />
<br />
== network details ==<br />
* wifi MAC address: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c2<br />
* ethernet MAC: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c1<br />
* IP address: 100.64.64.33 (static in dhcpd.conf of omni commons)</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Synthesis&diff=12329Synthesis2023-10-25T23:24:50Z<p>Jerkey: /* what is synthesis */</p>
<hr />
<div>== what is synthesis ==<br />
* synthesis is a raspberry pi with a [https://blokas.io/pisound/ pisound hat (shield)] for recording the synthesizer station at all times<br />
* message Jake for access<br />
* please note it's presently a Pi 4B but will be switched out for a 3 because we're already having to run 32bit Debian, because the piSound software is only for 32 bit<br />
<br />
[[File:M3iT_RPi4B-Pisound_DAC-MIDI-DAW-1-800x800.png]]<br />
<br />
== network details ==<br />
* wifi MAC address: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c2<br />
* ethernet MAC: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c1<br />
* IP address: 100.64.64.33 (static in dhcpd.conf of omni commons)</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Synthesis&diff=12328Synthesis2023-10-25T20:28:31Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
<hr />
<div>== what is synthesis ==<br />
* synthesis is a raspberry pi with a [https://blokas.io/pisound/ pisound hat (shield)] for recording the synthesizer station at all times<br />
* message Jake for access<br />
* please note it's presently a Pi 4B but will be switched out for a 3 because we're already having to run 32bit OS anyway because the piSound software is only for 32 bit anyway<br />
<br />
[[File:M3iT_RPi4B-Pisound_DAC-MIDI-DAW-1-800x800.png]]<br />
<br />
== network details ==<br />
* wifi MAC address: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c2<br />
* ethernet MAC: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c1<br />
* IP address: 100.64.64.33 (static in dhcpd.conf of omni commons)</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Synthesis&diff=12327Synthesis2023-10-25T08:39:36Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
<hr />
<div>== what is synthesis ==<br />
* synthesis is a raspberry pi with a [https://blokas.io/pisound/ pisound hat (shield)] for recording the synthesizer station at all times<br />
* message Jake for access<br />
<br />
[[File:M3iT_RPi4B-Pisound_DAC-MIDI-DAW-1-800x800.png]]<br />
<br />
== network details ==<br />
* wifi MAC address: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c2<br />
* ethernet MAC: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c1<br />
* IP address: 100.64.64.33 (static in dhcpd.conf of omni commons)</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Synthesis&diff=12326Synthesis2023-10-25T08:39:12Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
<hr />
<div>== what is synthesis ==<br />
* synthesis is a raspberry pi with a [https://blokas.io/pisound/ pisound hat (shield)] for recording the synthesizer station at all times<br />
* message Jake for access<br />
<br />
File:M3iT_RPi4B-Pisound_DAC-MIDI-DAW-1-800x800.png<br />
<br />
== network details ==<br />
* wifi MAC address: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c2<br />
* ethernet MAC: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c1<br />
* IP address: 100.64.64.33 (static in dhcpd.conf of omni commons)</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:M3iT_RPi4B-Pisound_DAC-MIDI-DAW-1-800x800.png&diff=12325File:M3iT RPi4B-Pisound DAC-MIDI-DAW-1-800x800.png2023-10-25T08:38:55Z<p>Jerkey: </p>
<hr />
<div></div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Synthesis&diff=12324Synthesis2023-10-25T08:24:43Z<p>Jerkey: Created page with "== what is synthesis == * synthesis is a raspberry pi with a [https://blokas.io/pisound/ pisound hat (shield)] for recording the synthesizer station at all times * message Jake for access == network details == * wifi MAC address: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c2 * ethernet MAC: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c1 * IP address: 100.64.64.33 (static in dhcpd.conf of omni commons)"</p>
<hr />
<div>== what is synthesis ==<br />
* synthesis is a raspberry pi with a [https://blokas.io/pisound/ pisound hat (shield)] for recording the synthesizer station at all times<br />
* message Jake for access<br />
<br />
== network details ==<br />
* wifi MAC address: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c2<br />
* ethernet MAC: e4:5f:01:3c:27:c1<br />
* IP address: 100.64.64.33 (static in dhcpd.conf of omni commons)</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Printing&diff=12309Printing2023-10-24T05:27:46Z<p>Jerkey: /* Working */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Overview = <br />
<br />
The printing page is super stale as of October 2023.<br />
We'll be updating it.<br />
<br />
= 2D printing =<br />
<br />
sudo room currently has the following printers:<br />
<br />
*[[Xerox Phaser 7400]] 12"x18" Color Laser for making color wax prints including [https://spaz.org/~jake/pyralux flexible circuitboards]<br />
[[File:Xerox_Phaser_8500.jpg|thumb|Xerox_Phaser_8500.jpg]]<br />
<br />
= 3D printing =<br />
[[File:Dual_printers.jpg|right|frameless|200px]]<br />
Yes, we have 3D printers!<br />
<br />
== Working == <br />
<br />
* A [[Artillery_Sidewinder_X2| Artillery Sidewinder X2]] - updated 9/23<br />
<br />
<br />
<br><br />
<br />
<br />
[[File:Image_10-17-23_at_7.51_PM.png |thumb|left|link=Artillery_Sidewinder_X2| Artillery Sidewinder X2]]<br />
<br />
* A [[Custom_3D_Printer]] that was donated Summer of 2023 - see thread [https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/Y2T3YOU5OBPD3U6DMMOKJ3CFRCLO6SLR/ email thread]<br />
[[File:Seckit-go2.jpg|thumb|left|link=Custom_3D_Printer]]<br />
<br />
== Not working == <br />
* A [[Seckit_SK_GO2| Seckit SK_GO2 core-XY printer]] (not working)<br />
* A [[TAZ| LulzBot TAZ3]]<br />
* A [[Type_A_Machine| Type-A Machine]] <br />
<br />
* We're planning to build a [[RepRap]].<br />
<br />
Tuesdays is our 3D-printing hack night. Please join us!<br />
<br />
Check out our [[3D_Modeling|intro to 3D modeling]] and our [[Print_Gallery|gallery of prints]]!<br />
<br />
[[File:3D Printing Dogs.png|printing more SudoKits with the 3D printer]]<br />
<br />
= Other =<br />
<br />
There is a [[Label_printer|Label printer]] connected to the [[Space_Server|Space server]] laptop.<br />
<br />
Our [[CNC|CNC Mill]] is sorta like a "wood printer".<br />
<br />
Printers that aren't at Sudo anymore:<br />
* [[Brother_DCP-7020|Brother DCP-7020 laser printer]]<br />
* [[Magicolor_2530DL|Konica Minolta Magicolor 2530DL]]<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Tools]]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:Seckit-go2.jpg&diff=12308File:Seckit-go2.jpg2023-10-24T05:25:40Z<p>Jerkey: custom 3d printer</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
custom 3d printer</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Printing&diff=12307Printing2023-10-24T05:14:36Z<p>Jerkey: /* 2D printing */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Overview = <br />
<br />
The printing page is super stale as of October 2023.<br />
We'll be updating it.<br />
<br />
= 2D printing =<br />
<br />
sudo room currently has the following printers:<br />
<br />
*[[Xerox Phaser 7400]] 12"x18" Color Laser for making color wax prints including [https://spaz.org/~jake/pyralux flexible circuitboards]<br />
[[File:Xerox_Phaser_8500.jpg|thumb|Xerox_Phaser_8500.jpg]]<br />
<br />
= 3D printing =<br />
[[File:Dual_printers.jpg|right|frameless|200px]]<br />
Yes, we have 3D printers!<br />
<br />
== Working == <br />
<br />
* A [[Artillery_Sidewinder_X2| Artillery Sidewinder X2]] - updated 9/23<br />
* A [[Custom_3D_Printer]] that was donated Summer of 2023 - see thread [https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/Y2T3YOU5OBPD3U6DMMOKJ3CFRCLO6SLR/ email thread]<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image 10-17-23 at 7.51 PM.png|Artillery Sidewinder X2<br />
Example.jpg|Caption2<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== Not working == <br />
* A [[Seckit_SK_GO2| Seckit SK_GO2 core-XY printer]] (not working)<br />
* A [[TAZ| LulzBot TAZ3]]<br />
* A [[Type_A_Machine| Type-A Machine]] <br />
<br />
* We're planning to build a [[RepRap]].<br />
<br />
Tuesdays is our 3D-printing hack night. Please join us!<br />
<br />
Check out our [[3D_Modeling|intro to 3D modeling]] and our [[Print_Gallery|gallery of prints]]!<br />
<br />
[[File:3D Printing Dogs.png|printing more SudoKits with the 3D printer]]<br />
<br />
= Other =<br />
<br />
There is a [[Label_printer|Label printer]] connected to the [[Space_Server|Space server]] laptop.<br />
<br />
Our [[CNC|CNC Mill]] is sorta like a "wood printer".<br />
<br />
Printers that aren't at Sudo anymore:<br />
* [[Brother_DCP-7020|Brother DCP-7020 laser printer]]<br />
* [[Magicolor_2530DL|Konica Minolta Magicolor 2530DL]]<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Tools]]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Work_Stations&diff=12306Work Stations2023-10-24T05:08:43Z<p>Jerkey: /* Printing Station */</p>
<hr />
<div>This is an attempt to document the tools and capabilities that exist at sudoroom so that people can read up on how to use these tools, and also know which projects are feasible. <br />
<br />
Check out the '''[[Projects|Active Projects]]''' that are ongoing at sudoroom to see how people are using these tools. <br />
<br />
== General Work Bench ==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
! Item !! Date !! Description <br />
|-<br />
| Ryobi BS904G 9in Band Saw<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Central Machinery Floor Drill Press<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| [[Emco Compact 5 Lathe|Emco_Compact_5_Lathe]]<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Craftsman 8in Drill Press 1/3HP<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| 5-speed, 1/2in Chuck, Table tilts 0-45 degrees<br />
|-<br />
| Ryobi BGH827 8in Bench Grinder<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Craftsman 4" Belt sander, 6" Disc sander<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Printing including 2D and 3D ==<br />
<br />
The [[Printing]] station has its own page.<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image 10-17-23 at 7.51 PM.png|Artillery Sidewinder X2<br />
Xerox_Phaser_8500.jpg|tektronix phaser wax printer<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== Laser Cutting Station ==<br />
<br />
We've got a [[Big red laser cutter|big red laser]] and we're not afraid to use it!<br />
<br />
== Electronics Station ==<br />
<br />
=== Appliances & Other Major Equipment ===<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
! Item !! Date !! Description <br />
|-<br />
| LeCroy 9314M Oscilloscope<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| [[File:Lecroy_9314m.jpeg|thumb|120px|right]]<br />
|-<br />
| HP 34401A Multimeter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| [[File:HP 34401A.jpeg|thumb|120px|right]]<br />
|-<br />
| HP 53132A 255MHz Universal Counter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 8782B 1-250MHz Vector Signal Generator<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 3577A 5Hz-200MHz Network Analyzer<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 54645D 100MHz 2x16 Channels Mixed Signal Oscilloscope<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| LeCroy LW420 400Ms/s Arbitrary Waveform Generator<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Yasnac FC1 FLOPPY DISC TRANSFER UNIT<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| Is this trash? <br />
|-<br />
| HP 4271B 1MHz Digital LCR Meter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| The 4271B is a 1 MHz LCR Meter from Agilent. An LCR meter is a piece of electronic test equipment that measures inductance (L), capacitance (C), and resistance (R) of electronic components. The LCR meter accurately measures these elements on an electronic device, usually one subjected to an alternating current (AC) voltage source. The LCR meter measures the current through and voltage across the device under test.<br />
|-<br />
| HP70000 System: Spectrum Analyzer, 70004A Display<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 5087A Distribution Amplifier<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 8642B Signal Generator 0.1-2100MHz<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 11713A Attenuator/Switch Driver<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Wavetek Sweep/Signal Generator model 2000<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Tektronix 2213 60MHz Oscilloscope <br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Keithley 168 Autoranging DMM<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| blp Model 3634<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| (Power supply?)<br />
|-<br />
| Cole-Parmer Stirrer Model 4815<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| Functions normally as of Feb 27, 2013 ~PB<br />
|-<br />
| Lambda LK-343A - FM Regulated Power Supply 0-36 V/0-9 A<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Lambda LK-343 <br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Heath Schlumberger Model SP-2730<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| 7.5V, 10A Power Supply<br />
|-<br />
| Global Specialties Corporation 8001 Scope Multiplexer<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Fluke 8920A True RMS Voltmeter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Shenzhen Mastech HY3005D-3 DC Power Supply<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| DC Power Supply<br />
|-<br />
| Shenzhen Mastech HY3003D-3 DC Power Supply<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Bellco Glass Rocker Platform<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Hakko ACE Model No. 481 Desoldering Tool<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| YiHua 992DA Soldering Rework Station<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Sorensen Q-Nobatron QR18-1.5A DC Amplifier<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| BK Precision 2831A<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Unknown Use ==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
! Item !! Date !! Description <br />
|-<br />
| Balston 74-5041 Lab Gas Generator<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| The Parker model 74-5041NA FT-IR Purge Gas Generator is specifically designed for use with FT-IR spectrometers to provide a purified purge and air bearing gas supply from compressed air. The Parker model 74- 5041NA provides instruments with CO2 -free compressed air at less than -100°F (-73°C) dew point with no suspended impurities larger than 0.01 micron 24 hours/day, 7 days/ week.<br />
|-<br />
| YASNAC ERC K10S Industrial Robot Controller<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|}</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=File:Xerox_Phaser_8500.jpg&diff=12305File:Xerox Phaser 8500.jpg2023-10-24T05:08:27Z<p>Jerkey: Xerox_Phaser_8500 wax printer</p>
<hr />
<div>== Summary ==<br />
Xerox_Phaser_8500 wax printer</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Printing&diff=12303Printing2023-10-24T04:54:35Z<p>Jerkey: /* 2D printing */</p>
<hr />
<div>= Overview = <br />
<br />
The printing page is super stale as of October 2023.<br />
We'll be updating it.<br />
<br />
= 2D printing =<br />
<br />
sudo room currently has the following printers:<br />
<br />
*[[Xerox Phaser 7400]] 12"x18" Color Laser for making color wax prints including [flexible circuitboards|https://spaz.org/~jake/pyralux]<br />
<br />
and a Digital Duplicator that does very fast cheap monochrome prints (but only cheap in quantity)<br />
<br />
= 3D printing =<br />
[[File:Dual_printers.jpg|right|frameless|200px]]<br />
Yes, we have 3D printers!<br />
<br />
== Working == <br />
<br />
* A [[Artillery_Sidewinder_X2| Artillery Sidewinder X2]] - updated 9/23<br />
* A [[Custom_3D_Printer]] that was donated Summer of 2023 - see thread [https://sudoroom.org/lists/hyperkitty/list/sudo-discuss@sudoroom.org/thread/Y2T3YOU5OBPD3U6DMMOKJ3CFRCLO6SLR/ email thread]<br />
<br />
<gallery><br />
Image 10-17-23 at 7.51 PM.png|Artillery Sidewinder X2<br />
Example.jpg|Caption2<br />
</gallery><br />
<br />
== Not working == <br />
* A [[Seckit_SK_GO2| Seckit SK_GO2 core-XY printer]] (not working)<br />
* A [[TAZ| LulzBot TAZ3]]<br />
* A [[Type_A_Machine| Type-A Machine]] <br />
<br />
* We're planning to build a [[RepRap]].<br />
<br />
Tuesdays is our 3D-printing hack night. Please join us!<br />
<br />
Check out our [[3D_Modeling|intro to 3D modeling]] and our [[Print_Gallery|gallery of prints]]!<br />
<br />
[[File:3D Printing Dogs.png|printing more SudoKits with the 3D printer]]<br />
<br />
= Other =<br />
<br />
There is a [[Label_printer|Label printer]] connected to the [[Space_Server|Space server]] laptop.<br />
<br />
Our [[CNC|CNC Mill]] is sorta like a "wood printer".<br />
<br />
Printers that aren't at Sudo anymore:<br />
* [[Brother_DCP-7020|Brother DCP-7020 laser printer]]<br />
* [[Magicolor_2530DL|Konica Minolta Magicolor 2530DL]]<br />
<br />
<br />
[[Category:Tools]]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Work_Stations&diff=12302Work Stations2023-10-24T04:51:40Z<p>Jerkey: /* General Work Bench */</p>
<hr />
<div>This is an attempt to document the tools and capabilities that exist at sudoroom so that people can read up on how to use these tools, and also know which projects are feasible. <br />
<br />
Check out the '''[[Projects|Active Projects]]''' that are ongoing at sudoroom to see how people are using these tools. <br />
<br />
== General Work Bench ==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
! Item !! Date !! Description <br />
|-<br />
| Ryobi BS904G 9in Band Saw<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Central Machinery Floor Drill Press<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| [[Emco Compact 5 Lathe|Emco_Compact_5_Lathe]]<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Craftsman 8in Drill Press 1/3HP<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| 5-speed, 1/2in Chuck, Table tilts 0-45 degrees<br />
|-<br />
| Ryobi BGH827 8in Bench Grinder<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Craftsman 4" Belt sander, 6" Disc sander<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Printing Station ==<br />
<br />
The [[Printing]] station has its own page.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
! Item !! Date !! Description <br />
|-<br />
| [[Type_A_Machine| Type-A Machine]]<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| [[TAZ|TAZ3 Printer]]<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Laser Cutting Station ==<br />
<br />
We've got a [[Big red laser cutter|big red laser]] and we're not afraid to use it!<br />
<br />
== Electronics Station ==<br />
<br />
=== Appliances & Other Major Equipment ===<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
! Item !! Date !! Description <br />
|-<br />
| LeCroy 9314M Oscilloscope<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| [[File:Lecroy_9314m.jpeg|thumb|120px|right]]<br />
|-<br />
| HP 34401A Multimeter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| [[File:HP 34401A.jpeg|thumb|120px|right]]<br />
|-<br />
| HP 53132A 255MHz Universal Counter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 8782B 1-250MHz Vector Signal Generator<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 3577A 5Hz-200MHz Network Analyzer<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 54645D 100MHz 2x16 Channels Mixed Signal Oscilloscope<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| LeCroy LW420 400Ms/s Arbitrary Waveform Generator<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Yasnac FC1 FLOPPY DISC TRANSFER UNIT<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| Is this trash? <br />
|-<br />
| HP 4271B 1MHz Digital LCR Meter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| The 4271B is a 1 MHz LCR Meter from Agilent. An LCR meter is a piece of electronic test equipment that measures inductance (L), capacitance (C), and resistance (R) of electronic components. The LCR meter accurately measures these elements on an electronic device, usually one subjected to an alternating current (AC) voltage source. The LCR meter measures the current through and voltage across the device under test.<br />
|-<br />
| HP70000 System: Spectrum Analyzer, 70004A Display<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 5087A Distribution Amplifier<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 8642B Signal Generator 0.1-2100MHz<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| HP 11713A Attenuator/Switch Driver<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Wavetek Sweep/Signal Generator model 2000<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Tektronix 2213 60MHz Oscilloscope <br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Keithley 168 Autoranging DMM<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| blp Model 3634<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| (Power supply?)<br />
|-<br />
| Cole-Parmer Stirrer Model 4815<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| Functions normally as of Feb 27, 2013 ~PB<br />
|-<br />
| Lambda LK-343A - FM Regulated Power Supply 0-36 V/0-9 A<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Lambda LK-343 <br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Heath Schlumberger Model SP-2730<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| 7.5V, 10A Power Supply<br />
|-<br />
| Global Specialties Corporation 8001 Scope Multiplexer<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Fluke 8920A True RMS Voltmeter<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Shenzhen Mastech HY3005D-3 DC Power Supply<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| DC Power Supply<br />
|-<br />
| Shenzhen Mastech HY3003D-3 DC Power Supply<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Bellco Glass Rocker Platform<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Hakko ACE Model No. 481 Desoldering Tool<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| YiHua 992DA Soldering Rework Station<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| Sorensen Q-Nobatron QR18-1.5A DC Amplifier<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|-<br />
| BK Precision 2831A<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Unknown Use ==<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
! Item !! Date !! Description <br />
|-<br />
| Balston 74-5041 Lab Gas Generator<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
| The Parker model 74-5041NA FT-IR Purge Gas Generator is specifically designed for use with FT-IR spectrometers to provide a purified purge and air bearing gas supply from compressed air. The Parker model 74- 5041NA provides instruments with CO2 -free compressed air at less than -100°F (-73°C) dew point with no suspended impurities larger than 0.01 micron 24 hours/day, 7 days/ week.<br />
|-<br />
| YASNAC ERC K10S Industrial Robot Controller<br />
| 2022-04-24<br />
|}</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Emco_Compact_5_Lathe&diff=12301Emco Compact 5 Lathe2023-10-24T04:50:49Z<p>Jerkey: Created page with "Rab confirmed that our Emco Compact 5 uses an MT1 live center, and ordered one arriving on Wednesday for sudoroom lathe pleasure."</p>
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<div>Rab confirmed that our Emco Compact 5 uses an MT1 live center, and ordered one arriving on Wednesday for sudoroom lathe pleasure.</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meetings&diff=12282Meetings2023-10-05T07:08:26Z<p>Jerkey: /* Archive */</p>
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<div>Sudoroom's official meetings are the first Wednesday of the month, at 8PM. They are bureaucratic, sometimes fun, and usually more functional than rumored. We try to handle conflicts respectfully.<br />
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All other Wednesdays are [https://sudoroom.org/events/sudoroom-weekly-meeting-2016-05-25/ parties].<br />
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[https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles ONLINE JITSI PORTAL]<br />
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== Etherpad ==<br />
<br />
We keep our agenda on an etherpad. The etherpad is projected on a big screen for everyone to see. Anyone who knows the URL can collaboratively edit it on their laptop. After the meeting, its contents are copied to our wiki - that's how we keep record. Then we clear it for the next meeting and people can add items throughout the week. Ideally someone posts a summary to the mailing list, but that doesn't always happen.<br />
<br />
Unfortunately, in the past our etherpad has caught the attention of online troll dens who like to overwhelm it and make it unusable. For this reason, we don't post the address online. Sorry! '''These addresses''' had been used in the past, and '''are obsolete''':<br />
* <strike>https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</strike><br />
* <strike>https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroommeeting</strike><br />
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See [[Meeting template]] when starting a new meeting!<br />
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== Future meeting topics ==<br />
<br />
Add them at this etherpad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudo-proposals<br />
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== Archive == <br />
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Each old meeting gets its own page, and we link to them here.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable sortable collapsible"<br />
! colspan="3"| Past Meeting Notes<br />
|-<br />
! data-sort-type="isoDate" | date<br />
! class="unsortable" | new<br />member<br />interviews<br />
! class="unsortable" | comments<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-10-05|2023-10-05]]<br />
|<br />
| informal, how to make sudoroom more welcoming, delegate position and duties<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-27|2023-09-27]]<br />
|<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-20|2023-09-20]]<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-06|2023-09-06]]<br />
|<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-08-02|2023-08-02]]<br />
|<br />
| event planning<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-07-05|2023-07-05]]<br />
|<br />
| cnc router, organizing ourselves<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-06-07|2023-06-07]]<br />
| none<br />
| member stats, save omni, keeping space clean, event ideas<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-03-01|2023-03-01]]<br />
| Our big March Meeting<br />
| Plans for March<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-25|2023-01-25]]<br />
| low stakes meeting<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-11|2023-01-11]]<br />
| Start of the new year<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2022-04-06|2022-04-06]]<br />
| Arthur <br /> Eva <br /> PWM <br /> PB<br />
| Four new members, plus two proposals<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2021-06-02|2021-06-02]]<br />
| kabirdas<br />
| electrical and ventilation<br />
|-<br />
| | [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-26|2021-05-26]]<br />
| <br />
| Reopening, project and event ideas<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-19|2021-05-19]]<br />
| Nik<br />
| Reopening, access control, computers<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-12|2021-05-12]]<br />
| <br />
| Sudo Room decides to continue existing and stuff<br />
|-<br />
| [[Sudoroom_Meeting_2019_04_03|2019-04-03]]<br />
| <br />
| discussion & consensus about GCEA proposals & paying Jenny for bookkeeping<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-04-11|2018-04-11]]<br />
| Rich<br />
| Steve banned, omni proposals mentioned but not discussed<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-03-14|2018-03-14]]<br />
| Tom Levine <br /> Andrew Vaziri<br />
| Change to membership process passed, endorsing statement from The Village to City, discussion of conflict w/ Steve<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-01-10|2018-01-10]]<br />
| Jacques <br /> Noah<br />
| melissa and sierk as new omni delegates; <br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-12-13|2017-12-13]]<br />
| * Adam Bredenberg <br /> Melissa Crow <br /> Pato <br /> Adam <br /> Eric <br /> Jan<br />
| discussion of finances, omni cafe proposal discussion<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-29|2017-11-29]]<br />
|<br />
| Another irregular meeting, with two topics of interest.<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-08|2017-11-08]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-01|2017-11-01]]<br />
|<br />
| Not a usual meeting date, but notes were taken.<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-13|2017-08-13]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-09|2017-08-09]]<br />
| Kyle <br /> Matt <br /> Rayc<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-07-12|2017-07-12]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-05-10|2017-05-10]]<br />
| Corey <br /> Travis <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-04-12|2017-04-12]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-03-08|2017-03-08]]<br />
| <br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-02-08|2017-02-08]]<br />
| <br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-25|2017-01-25]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-11|2017-01-11]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-04|2017-01-04]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-12-14|2016-12-14]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-16|2016-11-16]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-09|2016-11-09]]<br />
| <br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-10-12|2016-10-12]]<br />
| Vienna<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-09-14|2016-09-14]]<br />
| T Maes <br /> Evan Short<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-17|2016-08-17]]<br />
|<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-10|2016-08-10]]<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-07-20|2016-07-20]]<br />
|<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-07-13|2016-07-13]]<br />
|<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-15|2016-06-15]]<br />
| Eric <br /> Wen-qing <br /> Alex <br /> Yvonne<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-08|2016-06-08]]<br />
| Tim <br /> Chris <br /> Lindsey<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-05-11|2016-05-11]]<br />
| James <br /> Corey <br /> Benjamin Huang<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-27|2016-04-27]]<br />
| Elliot<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-20|2016-04-20]]<br />
| Syd<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-13|2016-04-13]]<br />
| Abhiram<br />Pete Forsyth<br />Dirty Bill<br />Chris<br />Jamie<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-06|2016-04-06]]<br />
| Jacob<br />Jason<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 2016-03-30<br />
|rowspan=6 colspan=2 align=center|We totally flaked for the entire month of March.<br />
|-<br />
| 2016-03-23<br />
|-<br />
| 2016-03-23<br />
|-<br />
| 2016-03-16<br />
|-<br />
| 2016-03-09<br />
|-<br />
| 2016-03-02<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-24|2016-02-24]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-17|2016-02-17]]<br />
| bstack<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-10|2016-02-10]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-03|2016-02-03]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-27|2016-01-27]]<br />
| Jay<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-20|2016-01-20]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
| <br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-13|2016-01-13]]<br />
| <br />
| cancelled-ish<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-06|2016-01-06]]<br />
| nathan<br />Nick<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-30|2015-12-30]]<br />
| Charley<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| 2015-12-23<br />
|<br />
| no signs of having happened<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-16|2015-12-16]]<br />
| Daisy<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-09|2015-12-09]]<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-02|2015-12-02]]<br />
| Max<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-25|2015-11-25]]<br />
|<br />
| didn't really happen, blame thanksgiving<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-18|2015-11-18]]<br />
| morgan<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-11|2015-11-11]]<br />
| Kwaku<br />Gracie<br />Micolah<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-04|2015-11-04]]<br />
| dane<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-10-28|2015-10-28]]<br />
| Andrew<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-21|2015-10-21]]<br />
| Merry<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-14|2015-10-14]]<br />
| Alex<br />Lef<br />Mari<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-07|2015-10-07]]<br />
| Tom<br />Daron<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-30|2015-09-30]]<br />
|<br />
| Insufficient critical mass<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-23|2015-09-23]]<br />
| Ari<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-16|2015-09-16]]<br />
| david<br />
|<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-09|2015-09-09]]<br />
|<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-02|2015-09-02]]<br />
| Benji<br />
|<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-26|2015-08-26]]<br />
|<br />
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|-<br />
| 2015-08-19<br />
|<br />
| nobody showed up<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-12|2015-08-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-05|2015-08-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-07-29|2015-07-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-22|2015-07-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-15|2015-07-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-08|2015-07-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-01|2015-07-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-24|2015-06-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-17|2015-06-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-10|2015-06-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-03|2015-06-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-27|2015-05-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-20|2015-05-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-13|2015-05-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-06|2015-05-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-29|2015-04-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-22|2015-04-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-15|2015-04-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-08|2015-04-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-01|2015-04-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-25|2015-03-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-18|2015-03-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-11|2015-03-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-04|2015-03-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-25|2015-02-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-18|2015-02-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-11|2015-02-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-04|2015-02-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-28|2015-01-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-21|2015-01-21]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-14|2015-01-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-07|2015-01-07]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-31|2014-12-31]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-24|2014-12-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-17|2014-12-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-10|2014-12-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-03|2014-12-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-26|2014-11-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-19|2014-11-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-12|2014-11-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-05|2014-11-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-29|2014-10-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-27|2014-10-27]]<br />
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| Board of Directors Meeting<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-22|2014-10-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-15|2014-10-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-08|2014-10-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-01|2014-10-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-24|2014-09-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-17|2014-09-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-10|2014-09-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-03|2014-09-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-27|2014-08-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-20|2014-08-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-13|2014-08-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-06|2014-08-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-30|2014-07-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-23|2014-07-23]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-16|2014-07-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-09|2014-07-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-02|2014-07-02]]<br />
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| First meeting in our new space @ 4799 Shattuck!<br />
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| 2014-06-25<br />
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| big moving day, no meeting notes<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-18|2014-06-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-11|2014-06-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-04|2014-06-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-28|2014-05-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-21|2014-05-21]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-14|2014-05-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-07|2014-05-07]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-30|2014-04-30]]<br />
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| Joint mtg w/ [http://counterculturelabs.org/ CCL]<br />
|-<br />
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[[Category:SudoRoom Organization]][[Category:Meetings]]</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2023-10-05&diff=12281Meeting Notes 2023-10-052023-10-05T07:03:41Z<p>Jerkey: create meeting notes for 2023-10-05</p>
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10/04/2023 meeting<br />
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Participants<br />
paige<br />
jems<br />
andy<br />
yar<br />
jake<br />
sudoer<br />
sierk<br />
carl<br />
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new member<br />
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jems used to be involved. bio-art, help out with friends battle bots, background in physics weird art stuff<br />
andy - anything you are interested in doing volunteer wise. right now stuff just happens sporadically when someone has the energy to do stuff. things needed - organizing an event, or a clean up day monthly<br />
jems - saturdays i was in the space all day watching bots and organizing and working. down to help more. hosting a blender wnb night.<br />
yar and andy confirm they know sudoer and can verify is a sudo room member<br />
jems - some questions, what are the responsibilities or expectations of delegates. Im interested in that and live close by. Also interested in helping with grant writing and fundraiser<br />
andy - if youre interested in being delegate i would be enthusiastic about that<br />
andy - delegates meeting are every 2nd thursday. first wednesday is the most reliable meeting day for sudo room meeting but there may be some interest in moving it. as for the finance stuff, pretty informal. No specific structure, mostly automated. I think it would be good to have a treasurer or finance wg. omni has a finance wg. could have a rep from sudo to go to the omni wg. lots of opportunity, lots of thing are derelict.<br />
jems - another new member jade is also excited about helping with things i mentioned. Not sure if they are looped in through email.<br />
andy - i would be happy to help debug that project. They should get onto the discussion mailing list, thats the main way to get info. <br />
yar - discussion list can sometimes be a scary place. good to have someone hold their hand welcoming them into the space, email list not always the best place for newcomers<br />
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==== how to make sudo room more welcoming ===<br />
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andy - ive been trying since ive joined a year ago to slowly gain support for things. i think we should be willing to consider more structure. an example would be to have a board structure that most volunteer orgs have. i.e. president/treasurer. i dont think we need to deviate from nonhierachical idea, not titles that would grant any powers, but could help make things more maneagable. create some system for establishing a board<br />
jake - what's the purpose of this?<br />
andy - to establish an easily identifiable person who exists with a purview. absence some structure, we end up with an ol' boys club. all power rests with knowing someone. if we have elections or groups to join, offers new ppl an avenue to leadership<br />
jake - no leadership, we are horizontal<br />
andy - i think that is a myth, absence organization, your space's power is given to whoever is loudest or tallest<br />
yar - i agree<br />
jems - do we have a charter<br />
andy - bylaws and code of conduct (general set of what u can and cant do)<br />
jems - when i was with dsa sf, i liked their charters for their subgroups. had built in affirmative action. ppl had to have effects in the community, number of POC or women in leadership. if not meeting the quota, that group could not exist. those charters for subgroups, i dont want to speak for all of wnb, but if they had organizational structure, they could have a delegate to come speak for them at events. still keep horizontal structure but have a constant known person people can go to<br />
yar - those are ideas worth copying and i appreciate you bringing energy to the conversation about it. my experience of sudo is that it is not horizontal in practice. few people tend to collect power, that is partly because it is a doacracy. some people have more time and energy to do. i am speaking as someone who did end up holding a lot of power there in the past. i tried to use it for good, but dont want to repeat. identity of a tiger tamer. a toxic dynamic<br />
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carl joins meeting<br />
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jems - role for a steward type position. hard to have a neutral position. we could think about thinking how we handle restorative justice<br />
yar - balancing act between creating positions and making sure there are people to fill them<br />
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gloria offers everyone salmon<br />
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jems - may be a good idea to create a list of things of what we'd like to have/what needs are<br />
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andy - cleanup the spacce, try and get influx of people (bring your friend), people would feed off each others energy. <br />
yar - Andy that sounds great just wanna boost how much invisible labor goes into a really good event. Full support for people doing it. But it's not easy! <br />
sudoer: i support all these great ideas to make the space more welcoming, thank you.<br />
sudoer - do board members have to be delegates<br />
andy - thats for us to decide. sudo room as a computer program, we are the admin, code defines how it operates. <br />
jems - are any events paid?<br />
paige - no, but media lab is doing that if we want ideas<br />
andy - radio model, encourage ppl to donate if they are using the space/ appreciate it<br />
jems - how do we market<br />
andy - romy post events to meetup, and someone posts on instagram, but vast majority is through word of mouth<br />
yar - and ppl who just moved here and google hackerspace<br />
ELT - I am against adopting hierarchy at Sudoroom. A "board" sounds alarming hierarchical to me. <br />
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== appointing a new delegate<br />
andy - clear nominations. I was nominated, paige was nominated, normally we wouldnt nominate someone not yet. I nominate Jems, pending completion on membership.<br />
andy - proposal: delegate committee as jems (by next meeting as a fully fledged member) as paige. What do people think?<br />
yar - approve<br />
ELT - i like Jems but I think we should stick with people who have been around longer. just because they may understand the space better<br />
andy - can i propose to adopt that as an amendment to the proposal: ELT could you act as delegate for one or two meetings?<br />
ELT - yea we can alternate<br />
Jake - elephant in the room is nobody is asking me about . i feel underappreciated for both my work as delegate taking a lot of fire in the recent episodes with CLP.<br />
Due to yar's villification with me, which is because of a longstanding conflict with yar, I was focused on by CLP, everyone focused their rage on me. "Now we are looking for a new delegate because Jake's name is tainted" -- I want to call this out so everyone knows what is going on here.<br />
Andy - anything you would formally request? I would just like to say that I appreciate all the work and sympathize with the abuse you have taken. I want you to know that I am grateful<br />
Jake - i want people to recognize that the vilification of me by CLP and Yar was invalid. people who have opinions based off what i've said in meetings, rather than just basing opinions based off what yar said. reason i have not been defending myself as much -- im tired of it, everyone is, i want omni to stay, and sudo live. <br />
Just because im not bringing it up, it doesnt mean its a problem. <br />
ELT - do you still want to be the delegate<br />
jake - doesnt matter, in the past nobody would step up to be delegate despite me asking. so i did it because nobody would want to. nobody else was joining the omni mailing lists and keeping track with the omni stuff. so i kept doing it. great, now that other people are stepping up to delegate. not because they want to help out, but because they heard jake is cancelled, and they want to get him out of the position. im glad we are having another delegate, and i invite said person to ask me what is like.<br />
andy - i appreciate what youve done and the continuity you have offered<br />
sudoer - (in the chat) sudoer says:i vote for restorative justice to untaint jake's name <br />
andy - that is a very thoughtful idea. we don't have time to discuss that right now but i want that in the minutes.<br />
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Carl - Jake, I appreciate all the work you've done for sudo & omni and I don't believe what was said about you. <br />
jake thank you Carl I appreciate that <br />
jake - we really had to drag this shit-throwing group out kicking and screaming and they were covered in shit and so shit got all over me <br />
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== show and tell ===<br />
jems shows off visual synth and its super rad<br />
ELT shows raspberry pi running joust. playing music. joust uses these old playstation motion controllers, and the goal is to knock someone's icecream off their cone. and we can have ice cream fights in the ballroom<br />
couldnt have pulled it off without jake, appreciate the help<br />
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and ELT made a fire truck <br />
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=== discussion about moving sudo mesh ===<br />
turning sudo mesh into space under the stairway<br />
jake - what would we put up there? Im thinking of a carpetted cat tree<br />
ELT - would be nice to have more of a special space. secretly envious that noisebridge has had that <br />
jake - lets do it, please contact if you want to help doing the dirty work of cleaning and ratproofing.<br />
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property tax issue. city has been responding slowly. sarah lockhart absolutely indispensible. in terms of events, we have only recently start paying Billy. Billy left events group immediately after CLP removed. but ultimately, everyone Billy was booking removed their bookings. now we are going forward, discussion about who we pay going forward<br />
carl - has omni paid for cleaning services in the past<br />
jake - not to my knowledge<br />
carl - lot of square footage<br />
jake - what we need is more volunteers. i recommend everyone join the omni consensus email lists.<br />
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this is the archive for the consensus link. (dont have to join list, can just read) https://omnicommons.org/pipermail/consensus/<br />
but if you want to join it, click link at the top.<br />
jake - in the past weve had trolls come onto the pad. was a long time ago. hard to tell who put stuff at the top of this pad. can be crude and gross. just good to be aware of.<br />
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paige - i agreed to be delegate because we needed de-escalation. people have been hurt by you. it was conflated with clp. was hoping we could get past that. what do we need to do moving forward because there is still distrust of you in the delegates meetjng and people hurt on both sides. jackie and yar were calling for..<br />
jake - yar is not a delegate, she's someone who i've had a conflict with for years.<br />
paige - daniel<br />
jake - dzniel is from clp and boggs<br />
paige - daniel will be at next meeting<br />
paige - i think yhe wsy forward ux..<br />
jake - i want to address daniek is a clp member and sent sn email written by rafiq. doesn't make sense <br />
paige - other ppl saw u hurt dznirl in the meeting<br />
jake - what happened was i asked daniel if she was clp, then rafiq said jake has no respect for black women. it was clp not boggs. jnterrupting happens in meeting for point of order. askinv slmeone if member of dif group<br />
paige - clp getting antagknized so it came off as threatening. if you are clp i will smear you. people have bern critiqukng how you speak, and<br />
jake - im not suggesting i wanna be delegate. outrsge was manufactured by rafiq and yar<br />
paige - i dont trust clp but i have nk reason not to trust yar. mulriple ppl claiming you hurt them and are not takjnv accojntAbility. this needs to be discussed. a new boggs. the last meeting people were less charged, they voiced opinions about how you talk tk people. it went somewhere so i thjnk we should continue gojnv somewhere wiyh it.<br />
jake - im choosjng not to pursue this stuff as much as i woould like to. i feel strongly that yar... <br />
she sent an email saying she wants me bsnned from delegate meeting because clp attacked her. she was talkinh with rafiq aboyt me before reslizing clp is bad. 8 days ago today. (reads email)<br />
carl - i don't understand how yar can ever side w them again. thus was a toxic group. you should discount everything they say if they are untrustworthy.<br />
jake - i've been going through this with yar for years. she's extremely distrusting of me. lived in my house 2013-2015. even though we went through mediation. a year ago, i sent yar stuff. yar said fuck you i'm not listening to you about identity politics. yar told rafiq i was the person who zdvocated criticudm on clp. now today yar safs i am the reason clp is attacking her. frustrating because people think yarnis hreat but my experience is stuff like this (shares screen) i said yar you are falling asleep and runnjng yourself into a ditch and she said no.<br />
paige - i asdume tgat's because she didn't want to work with you<br />
jake - we work together and i forget she did something wrong, then she goes and sends an email<br />
(reads email about racist anti-blacn begavior) this is serious accusation. dmed her can u cite specifjc examples. she said the church in 2015. pastor cheryl ward wanted a church at omni. i said no, it had nothing to do with race. any other examples and she had nothing.someone talking about me without any examples is fucked up and its frustrating<br />
paige - yar said (reads) im talking about jake's tendency to priorotize himself over others who have been harmed.<br />
carl - word racism has bern thrown around. never understood justification for it.<br />
paige - murien was talking about obligation we have tj commjnity dhsplacing people. black woman. "more rain". white peolle. anti-racism means we need to reach out and try to make an attempt. chromebook and laptop project. partner with gloria and local schools. insular group, people don't think they cxn take active leadership. don't agree with board but excited about having that conversation. friends of friends means its a somewhat insular community. meeting on topic of racism. islamophobic to call leader of clp had nk merrit. you took accountability sayjngbj reslinze my emotion about these issues is more than people want to experience. if you didn't mean to hurt danielle it's a gut feeling that makes the space safe.<br />
jake - dsnielle was puf jn z terrible podiyikn, and j thjnk it was done by clp. they took advantage of her at her expense. sentvemail she didn't write. j recognize harm was done to daniel but j don't thjnk it's fait to blame me for that.<br />
paige - your frustration is you are recieving all the blame. their frystratiknn is they dkn't see you taking accountability. you were baited.<br />
jake - i was skeptical of clp before they joined and yar pushed them in. if not for yar acting as a delegate we wouldn't have let thfm kn<br />
jake - is clp peoplebof color? idk their numbers<br />
paige - yar didnt trust when yju voiced ur ckncrrns and thsf has tk do partially with how you talk about people. jabs. u need a sense of urgency, but .. yar was able to put out the fire. not by thtowinv yoj under the bus, but talking to iranian people<br />
jake - that was dntirely becausebof my wotk<br />
paige - i hope we can get you two to trust eachother again<br />
jake - i trusted yar many times and she repeatedly made me regret it. mark yule. singlehandddly bullied jenny. it was super fucked up. it's not clear what she did. said jenny can't hold positions of power anymore. not a delegate. yar had an ally, aj frkm phi collective, living at omni, upset rob couldnt live there. jenny not allowed because yar said so. didn't make any sense but it happened. it was absolutely bullying, i can't think of any other way to describe it. forgotten when yar did somethjng gucked up, trusted her,... my email had bad tone, but j was the only one doing it. yar forwarded it to rafiq. jake banned from delegate meeting. really frustrating.<br />
paige - the rest of the delegates csn vote on thst. discussion might be jf yoh and yar are banned from somethjng.<br />
jake - was going to write an email. i'm not gonna let her keep doing this to me. i have other stuff besides yar attàcking me after she brought this group. she put us in this situarik. snd now she's targeting me.<br />
paige - sounded like rafiq was getting harassed. april or may 2022. i see someone was engagkngbin a political debate and i don't know how they went about doing tgat. if someone makes a complaint on tgat level it has to be taken seriously<br />
jake - stalinist tankies. rafiq said i sent someone to harass him. rafiq opened the floodgates. i had to cower and beg forgiveness for suggesting that these people were stalinist tankies. one of the reasons i'm upset.<br />
paige - u might say tone policing but it is very important. how others percieve it. people from pym. it goes along way to be civil and thoughtful about accusation. when we're just...<br />
jake - i agree with you. but i was stressed out of my mind about this situation. yar is ruthless, made me the villain. no allies. yea, i didn't hold it together.<br />
paige - if more people are involved it doesn't just have to be your word against yar's so i hope we are moving in that direction.<br />
jake - ya<br />
paige - think about what meetjng notes we want to knclude given the sensitive nature of talking about oyhrr people.<br />
paige - open to mediation with yar?<br />
jake - did it before and it didn't work. ya i would like to do mediation, and i'd like to do it by email<br />
paige - i'll decide what notes to put up?<br />
jake - yes ok<br />
paige - new people involved<br />
jake - when i see people unsubscribing from the discuss list it's discouraging. just keep bringing in new people.<br />
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(will fix all typos on these meeting notes asap. need a break.)</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2023-09-27&diff=12280Meeting Notes 2023-09-272023-09-28T04:46:58Z<p>Jerkey: /* Attendees */</p>
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<div>= Attendees =<br />
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* Icebreaker question: Pick your favorite decade. Tell us why<br />
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* Jake: (any) the 1960s because everyone had high hopes for the future<br />
* Autonomous: (any) the 60's because there was a lot of love, or at least everybody thought they loved each other<br />
* Paige (they/them): probably the 90s because that was a fun childhood time<br />
* Sierk: probably the 90's, I lived in Prague for a while which was really cool in the 90's, lots of good music, saw Fugazi ten times and Rage against the Machine 6 times so the 90's i guess it is<br />
* Ed & Karl the dog: had to leave, but "I support Yar's proposal"<br />
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= Agenda =<br />
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== Proposal for the delegates to remove CLP from Omni ==<br />
* jake talks a lot about history with CLP/Rafiq since they first joined,<br />
* autonomous: i looked into CLP, they gave me the impression of being an extremist organization, their writing points to violent extremism, if Omni seeks funding it's entirely possible that Omni would not receive funding if there were any signs of extremism taking place. The other aspect is of harassment of other members of sudoroom who don't agree with them, a lot of this harassment has been against our code of conduct, such as the harassment of Silver. I would definitely support the removal of CLP<br />
* paige: i endorse removing CLP as well, i'm just concerned with not doing this discussion how it was last meeting. Yar's email and there was one other person who went case by case, talking about marxism/leninism...we should have a really clear statement of why we are parting ways, for example if the palestinian youth movement asks why we are doing it<br />
* jake: what about yar's proposal that is on the consensus list<br />
* paige: i was thinking of a compiled omni decision, a finalized version of what yar has, and maybe have that in the meeting, to be included in the notes.<br />
* jake: anything else?<br />
* paige: i wonder what we'll do with BOGSS, danielle was crying at the last meeting and i think that was real, ... this meeting tomorrow will be minus CLP and BOGSS ?<br />
* jake: i think danielle was used by CLP and overwhelmed<br />
* paige: yeah i think they were clever to do that and pick someone who hadn't read the emails and didn't know what was going on.<br />
* autonomous: it's late over here, gotta go<br />
* paige: think it is better if jake is not delegate for this meeting so that it is clear that more than just jake at sudo supports removing CLP. I nominate Andy but really okay with anyone from Sudo who just will go in and vote yes to removing CLP. <br />
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* Discussion among Jake, Paige, and Sierk about having a new delegate for tomorrow's meeting. Decided Paige will be delegate for tomorrow's meeting. We will have a discussion on who to be delegate for the meeting after.<br />
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* people who endorsed the proposal via email:<br />
Taylor A<br />
Andrew W<br />
Ed B<br />
Andrew G<br />
* people who endorsed the proposal in meeting<br />
Autonomous<br />
Paige<br />
Sierk<br />
Ed & Karl</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meeting_Notes_2023-09-27&diff=12279Meeting Notes 2023-09-272023-09-28T04:42:57Z<p>Jerkey: Created page with "= Attendees = * Icebreaker question: Pick your favorite decade. Tell us why * Jake: (any) the 1960s because everyone * Autonomous: (any) the 60's because there was a lot of love, or at least everybody thought they loved each other * Paige (they/them): probably the 90s because that was a fun childhood time * Sierk: probably the 90's, I lived in Prague for a while which was really cool in the 90's, lots of good music, saw Fugazi ten times and Rage against the Machine 6..."</p>
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<div>= Attendees =<br />
<br />
* Icebreaker question: Pick your favorite decade. Tell us why<br />
<br />
* Jake: (any) the 1960s because everyone <br />
* Autonomous: (any) the 60's because there was a lot of love, or at least everybody thought they loved each other<br />
* Paige (they/them): probably the 90s because that was a fun childhood time<br />
* Sierk: probably the 90's, I lived in Prague for a while which was really cool in the 90's, lots of good music, saw Fugazi ten times and Rage against the Machine 6 times so the 90's i guess it is<br />
* Ed & Karl the dog: had to leave, but "I support Yar's proposal"<br />
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= Agenda =<br />
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== Proposal for the delegates to remove CLP from Omni ==<br />
* jake talks a lot about history with CLP/Rafiq since they first joined,<br />
* autonomous: i looked into CLP, they gave me the impression of being an extremist organization, their writing points to violent extremism, if Omni seeks funding it's entirely possible that Omni would not receive funding if there were any signs of extremism taking place. The other aspect is of harassment of other members of sudoroom who don't agree with them, a lot of this harassment has been against our code of conduct, such as the harassment of Silver. I would definitely support the removal of CLP<br />
* paige: i endorse removing CLP as well, i'm just concerned with not doing this discussion how it was last meeting. Yar's email and there was one other person who went case by case, talking about marxism/leninism...we should have a really clear statement of why we are parting ways, for example if the palestinian youth movement asks why we are doing it<br />
* jake: what about yar's proposal that is on the consensus list<br />
* paige: i was thinking of a compiled omni decision, a finalized version of what yar has, and maybe have that in the meeting, to be included in the notes.<br />
* jake: anything else?<br />
* paige: i wonder what we'll do with BOGSS, danielle was crying at the last meeting and i think that was real, ... this meeting tomorrow will be minus CLP and BOGSS ?<br />
* jake: i think danielle was used by CLP and overwhelmed<br />
* paige: yeah i think they were clever to do that and pick someone who hadn't read the emails and didn't know what was going on.<br />
* autonomous: it's late over here, gotta go<br />
* paige: think it is better if jake is not delegate for this meeting so that it is clear that more than just jake at sudo supports removing CLP. I nominate Andy but really okay with anyone from Sudo who just will go in and vote yes to removing CLP. <br />
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* Discussion among Jake, Paige, and Sierk about having a new delegate for tomorrow's meeting. Decided Paige will be delegate for tomorrow's meeting. We will have a discussion on who to be delegate for the meeting after.<br />
<br />
* people who endorsed the proposal via email:<br />
Taylor A<br />
Andrew W<br />
Ed B<br />
Andrew G<br />
* people who endorsed the proposal in meeting<br />
Autonomous<br />
Paige<br />
Sierk<br />
Ed & Karl</div>Jerkeyhttps://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Meetings&diff=12278Meetings2023-09-28T04:41:59Z<p>Jerkey: /* Archive */</p>
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<div>Sudoroom's official meetings are the first Wednesday of the month, at 8PM. They are bureaucratic, sometimes fun, and usually more functional than rumored. We try to handle conflicts respectfully.<br />
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All other Wednesdays are [https://sudoroom.org/events/sudoroom-weekly-meeting-2016-05-25/ parties].<br />
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[https://meet.waag.org/turtlesturtlesturtles ONLINE JITSI PORTAL]<br />
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== Etherpad ==<br />
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We keep our agenda on an etherpad. The etherpad is projected on a big screen for everyone to see. Anyone who knows the URL can collaboratively edit it on their laptop. After the meeting, its contents are copied to our wiki - that's how we keep record. Then we clear it for the next meeting and people can add items throughout the week. Ideally someone posts a summary to the mailing list, but that doesn't always happen.<br />
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Unfortunately, in the past our etherpad has caught the attention of online troll dens who like to overwhelm it and make it unusable. For this reason, we don't post the address online. Sorry! '''These addresses''' had been used in the past, and '''are obsolete''':<br />
* <strike>https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</strike><br />
* <strike>https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroommeeting</strike><br />
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See [[Meeting template]] when starting a new meeting!<br />
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== Future meeting topics ==<br />
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Add them at this etherpad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudo-proposals<br />
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== Archive == <br />
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Each old meeting gets its own page, and we link to them here.<br />
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{| class="wikitable sortable collapsible"<br />
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! class="unsortable" | new<br />member<br />interviews<br />
! class="unsortable" | comments<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-27|2023-09-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-20|2023-09-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-09-06|2023-09-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-08-02|2023-08-02]]<br />
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| event planning<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-07-05|2023-07-05]]<br />
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| cnc router, organizing ourselves<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2023-06-07|2023-06-07]]<br />
| none<br />
| member stats, save omni, keeping space clean, event ideas<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-03-01|2023-03-01]]<br />
| Our big March Meeting<br />
| Plans for March<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-25|2023-01-25]]<br />
| low stakes meeting<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2023-01-11|2023-01-11]]<br />
| Start of the new year<br />
| proposals for working groups (let's keep this updated at [[Working_Groups|Working Groups]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2022-04-06|2022-04-06]]<br />
| Arthur <br /> Eva <br /> PWM <br /> PB<br />
| Four new members, plus two proposals<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-06-02|2021-06-02]]<br />
| kabirdas<br />
| electrical and ventilation<br />
|-<br />
| | [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-26|2021-05-26]]<br />
| <br />
| Reopening, project and event ideas<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-19|2021-05-19]]<br />
| Nik<br />
| Reopening, access control, computers<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2021-05-12|2021-05-12]]<br />
| <br />
| Sudo Room decides to continue existing and stuff<br />
|-<br />
| [[Sudoroom_Meeting_2019_04_03|2019-04-03]]<br />
| <br />
| discussion & consensus about GCEA proposals & paying Jenny for bookkeeping<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-04-11|2018-04-11]]<br />
| Rich<br />
| Steve banned, omni proposals mentioned but not discussed<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-03-14|2018-03-14]]<br />
| Tom Levine <br /> Andrew Vaziri<br />
| Change to membership process passed, endorsing statement from The Village to City, discussion of conflict w/ Steve<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2018-01-10|2018-01-10]]<br />
| Jacques <br /> Noah<br />
| melissa and sierk as new omni delegates; <br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-12-13|2017-12-13]]<br />
| * Adam Bredenberg <br /> Melissa Crow <br /> Pato <br /> Adam <br /> Eric <br /> Jan<br />
| discussion of finances, omni cafe proposal discussion<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-29|2017-11-29]]<br />
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| Another irregular meeting, with two topics of interest.<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-08|2017-11-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-11-01|2017-11-01]]<br />
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| Not a usual meeting date, but notes were taken.<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-13|2017-08-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-08-09|2017-08-09]]<br />
| Kyle <br /> Matt <br /> Rayc<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-07-12|2017-07-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-05-10|2017-05-10]]<br />
| Corey <br /> Travis <br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-04-12|2017-04-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-03-08|2017-03-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-02-08|2017-02-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-25|2017-01-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-11|2017-01-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2017-01-04|2017-01-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-12-14|2016-12-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-16|2016-11-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-11-09|2016-11-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-10-12|2016-10-12]]<br />
| Vienna<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-09-14|2016-09-14]]<br />
| T Maes <br /> Evan Short<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-17|2016-08-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-08-10|2016-08-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-07-20|2016-07-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-07-13|2016-07-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-15|2016-06-15]]<br />
| Eric <br /> Wen-qing <br /> Alex <br /> Yvonne<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-06-08|2016-06-08]]<br />
| Tim <br /> Chris <br /> Lindsey<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-05-11|2016-05-11]]<br />
| James <br /> Corey <br /> Benjamin Huang<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-27|2016-04-27]]<br />
| Elliot<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-20|2016-04-20]]<br />
| Syd<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-13|2016-04-13]]<br />
| Abhiram<br />Pete Forsyth<br />Dirty Bill<br />Chris<br />Jamie<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-04-06|2016-04-06]]<br />
| Jacob<br />Jason<br />
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|-<br />
| 2016-03-30<br />
|rowspan=6 colspan=2 align=center|We totally flaked for the entire month of March.<br />
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| 2016-03-23<br />
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| 2016-03-23<br />
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| 2016-03-16<br />
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| 2016-03-09<br />
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| 2016-03-02<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-24|2016-02-24]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-17|2016-02-17]]<br />
| bstack<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-10|2016-02-10]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-02-03|2016-02-03]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-27|2016-01-27]]<br />
| Jay<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-20|2016-01-20]]<br />
| ''(none)''<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-13|2016-01-13]]<br />
| <br />
| cancelled-ish<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2016-01-06|2016-01-06]]<br />
| nathan<br />Nick<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-30|2015-12-30]]<br />
| Charley<br />
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| 2015-12-23<br />
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| no signs of having happened<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-16|2015-12-16]]<br />
| Daisy<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-09|2015-12-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-12-02|2015-12-02]]<br />
| Max<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-25|2015-11-25]]<br />
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| didn't really happen, blame thanksgiving<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-18|2015-11-18]]<br />
| morgan<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-11|2015-11-11]]<br />
| Kwaku<br />Gracie<br />Micolah<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-11-04|2015-11-04]]<br />
| dane<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-10-28|2015-10-28]]<br />
| Andrew<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-21|2015-10-21]]<br />
| Merry<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-14|2015-10-14]]<br />
| Alex<br />Lef<br />Mari<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-10-07|2015-10-07]]<br />
| Tom<br />Daron<br />
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|-<br />
| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-30|2015-09-30]]<br />
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| Insufficient critical mass<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-23|2015-09-23]]<br />
| Ari<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-16|2015-09-16]]<br />
| david<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-09|2015-09-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-09-02|2015-09-02]]<br />
| Benji<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-26|2015-08-26]]<br />
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| 2015-08-19<br />
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| nobody showed up<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-12|2015-08-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-08-05|2015-08-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2015-07-29|2015-07-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-22|2015-07-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-15|2015-07-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-07-08|2015-07-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-06-24|2015-06-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-27|2015-05-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-20|2015-05-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-13|2015-05-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-05-06|2015-05-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-29|2015-04-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-22|2015-04-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-15|2015-04-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-08|2015-04-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-04-01|2015-04-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-25|2015-03-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-18|2015-03-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-11|2015-03-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-03-04|2015-03-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-25|2015-02-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-18|2015-02-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-11|2015-02-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-02-04|2015-02-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-28|2015-01-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-21|2015-01-21]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-14|2015-01-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2015-01-07|2015-01-07]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-31|2014-12-31]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-24|2014-12-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-17|2014-12-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-10|2014-12-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-12-03|2014-12-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-26|2014-11-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-19|2014-11-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-12|2014-11-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-11-05|2014-11-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-29|2014-10-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-27|2014-10-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-22|2014-10-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-15|2014-10-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-08|2014-10-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-10-01|2014-10-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-24|2014-09-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-17|2014-09-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-10|2014-09-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-09-03|2014-09-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-27|2014-08-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-20|2014-08-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-13|2014-08-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-08-06|2014-08-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-30|2014-07-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-23|2014-07-23]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-16|2014-07-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-09|2014-07-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-07-02|2014-07-02]]<br />
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| First meeting in our new space @ 4799 Shattuck!<br />
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| 2014-06-25<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-18|2014-06-18]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-11|2014-06-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting_Notes_2014-06-04|2014-06-04]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-28|2014-05-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-21|2014-05-21]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-14|2014-05-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-05-07|2014-05-07]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-30|2014-04-30]]<br />
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| Joint mtg w/ [http://counterculturelabs.org/ CCL]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-23|2014-04-23]]<br />
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| Joint mtg w/ [http://counterculturelabs.org/ CCL]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-16|2014-04-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-09|2014-04-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-04-02|2014-04-02]]<br />
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| mostly reboot<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-26|2014-03-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-19|2014-03-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-12|2014-03-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-03-05|2014-03-05]]<br />
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| Special edition on reboot<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-02-26|2014-02-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-02-19|2014-02-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-02-12|2014-02-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-02-05|2014-02-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-01-29|2014-01-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-01-15|2014-01-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-01-08|2014-01-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2014-01-01|2014-01-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-12-25|2013-12-25]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-12-11|2013-12-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-11-27|2013-11-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-11-13|2013-11-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-10-23|2013-10-23]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-08-28|2013-08-28]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-08-21|2013-08-21]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-08-14|2013-08-14]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-08-07|2013-08-07]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-30|2013-07-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-17|2013-07-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-10|2013-07-10]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-07-03|2013-07-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-06-26|2013-06-26]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-06-19|2013-06-19]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-06-12|2013-06-12]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-06-05|2013-06-05]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-05-29|2013-05-29]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-05-22|2013-05-22]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-05-15|2013-05-15]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-05-08|2013-05-08]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-05-01|2013-05-01]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-04-24|2013-04-24]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-04-17|2013-04-17]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-04-11|2013-04-11]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-04-03|2013-04-03]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-03-27|2013-03-27]]<br />
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| 2013-03-20<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-03-13|2013-03-13]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-03-06|2013-03-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-02-27|2013-02-27]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-02-20|2013-02-20]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-02-06|2013-02-06]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-30|2013-01-30]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-23|2013-01-23]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-16|2013-01-16]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-09|2013-01-09]]<br />
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| [[Meeting Notes 2013-01-02|2013-01-02]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-26-2012 Meetup|2012-12-26]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-19-2012 Meetup|2012-12-19]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-12-2012 Meetup|2012-12-12]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-05-2012 Meetup|2012-12-05]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/11-28-2012 Meetup|2012-11-28]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/11-21-2012 Meetup|2012-11-21]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/11-14-2012 Meetup|2012-11-14]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/11-7-2012 Meetup|2012-11-07]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/10-31-2012 Meetup|2012-10-31]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/10-24-2012 Meetup|2012-10-24]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/10-17-2012 Meetup|2012-10-17]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/10-10-2012 Meetup|2012-10-10]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/10-03-2012 Meetup|2012-10-03]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/09-26-2012 Meetup|2012-09-26]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/09-19-2012 Meetup|2012-09-19]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/09-12-2012 Meetup|2012-09-12]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/09-05-2012 Meetup|2012-09-05]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-29-2012 Meetup|2012-08-29]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-22-2012 Meetup|2012-08-22]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-13-2012 Meetup|2012-08-13]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-08-2012 Meetup|2012-08-08]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/08-01-2012 Meetup|2012-08-01]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/07-25-2012 Meetup|2012-07-25]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/07-18-2012 Meetup|2012-07-18]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/07-11-2012 Meetup|2012-07-11]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/07-04-2012 Meetup|2012-07-04]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/06-27-2012 Meetup|2012-06-27]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/06-20-2012 Meetup|2012-06-20]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/06-13-2012 Meetup|2012-06-13]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/06-06-2012 Meetup|2012-06-06]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/05-30-2012 Meetup|2012-05-30]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/05-23-2012 Meetup|2012-05-23]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/05-16-2012 Meetup|2012-05-16]]<br />
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| 2012-05-09<br />
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| 2012-05-02<br />
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| [[Sudo room/04-25-2012 Meetup|2012-04-25]]<br />
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| 2012-04-18<br />
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| 2012-04-11<br />
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| 2012-04-04<br />
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| 2012-03-28<br />
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| 2012-03-21<br />
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| 2012-03-14<br />
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| 2012-03-07<br />
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| 2012-02-29<br />
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| [[Sudo room/02-22-2012 Meetup|2012-02-22]]<br />
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| 2012-02-15<br />
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| 2012-02-08<br />
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| [[Sudo room/02-01-2011 Meetup|2012-02-01]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/01-25-2011 Meetup|2012-01-25]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/01-18-2011 Meetup|2012-01-18]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/01-11-2011 Meetup|2012-01-11]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/01-04-2011 Meetup|2012-01-04]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-28-2011 Meetup|2011-12-28]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-21-2011 Meetup|2011-12-21]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-14-2011 Meetup|2011-12-14]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/12-07-2011 Meetup|2011-12-07]]<br />
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| [[Sudo room/First Wed Meetup|2011-11-30]]<br />
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| @ Cafe Mediterraneum<br />
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| [[Sudo room/Initial Meeting| Initial Meeting]]<br />
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| 2011-11-18, 12pm @ Actual Cafe<br />
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