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Paigep: Created page with "NOTE: this document has not been proofread yet, but will be sometime tonight for easier reading Dec 27, 2023 at 7PM = Attendees = * sudoer: anonymous but vouched for as a sudo room member sudo room members in attendance all (I think spoke up so accounted for below = Agenda = == someone is concerned that Pallavi is in the meeting == * jemma - someone asked if its right that pallavi is here * pallavi - i dont know what that means, what do you mean by my involvment *..."

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Created page with "NOTE: this document has not been proofread yet, but will be sometime tonight for easier reading Dec 27, 2023 at 7PM = Attendees = * sudoer: anonymous but vouched for as a sudo room member sudo room members in attendance all (I think spoke up so accounted for below = Agenda = == someone is concerned that Pallavi is in the meeting == * jemma - someone asked if its right that pallavi is here * pallavi - i dont know what that means, what do you mean by my involvment *..."

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	~~NOTE: this document has not been proofread yet, but will be sometime tonight for easier reading~~

	Dec 27, 2023 at 7PM		Dec 27, 2023 at 7PM

	... or ___ means something was said that was not heard by notetaker~~. But also~~,		... or ___ means something was said that was not heard by notetaker, not intentionally excluded

	= Attendees =		= Attendees =

			* facilitator - jemma
			* notetaker - paige
	* sudoer: anonymous but vouched for as a sudo room member		* sudoer: anonymous but vouched for as a sudo room member
	* sudo room members (Attendance not taken)		* sudo room members (Attendance not taken)
	* Patrik ~~from CCL~~		* Pallavi
			* Patrik
	* Silver		* Silver


	= Agenda =		= Agenda =


	== ~~someone is concerned that Pallavi is in the~~ meeting ==		== sudo room only meeting? ==
	* jemma - someone asked if its all right that pallavi is here. concerned with their involvement in past discussions, the last delegate meeting		* jemma - someone asked if its all right that pallavi is here. concerned with their involvement in past discussions, the last delegate meeting
	* pallavi - i dont know what that means, what do you mean by my involvement?		* pallavi - i dont know what that means, what do you mean by my involvement?
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	* jake - youre saying sudo room leaving omni commons would be a violation of sudo rooms own standards? i would disagree. sudo room came first, transformed into the omni commons, what we are in right now. sudo room gave 501c3 to exist. for sudo room to not give it to an authoritarian group, who have incompatible political beliefs - i dont think thats any violation of its original design		* jake - youre saying sudo room leaving omni commons would be a violation of sudo rooms own standards? i would disagree. sudo room came first, transformed into the omni commons, what we are in right now. sudo room gave 501c3 to exist. for sudo room to not give it to an authoritarian group, who have incompatible political beliefs - i dont think thats any violation of its original design
	* anawr - interesting train of thought.		* anawr - interesting train of thought.
	* yar - i agree, any attempt to find a number amount, to determine amount of wealth sudo room has of omni, is really difficult. peoples programs is not and will probably not ever be in position to say what are the mutual shares of sudo room or ccl or fnb, if omni is liquidated. i think that is a separate convo. i think any conversation would have to leave it to omni to make those ~~deciscions~~. want to go back to conversaion about accusation of racism. if you want a group that will not make any accusations of racism, then what you want is a white group. and thats what we have been getting		* yar - i agree, any attempt to find a number amount, to determine amount of wealth sudo room has of omni, is really difficult. peoples programs is not and will probably not ever be in position to say what are the mutual shares of sudo room or ccl or fnb, if omni is liquidated. i think that is a separate convo. i think any conversation would have to leave it to omni to make those decisions. want to go back to conversaion about accusation of racism. if you want a group that will not make any accusations of racism, then what you want is a white group. and thats what we have been getting
	* anwar - other half of my thought - the way that jemma brought up about redlining omni, addresses white dominated group. one of big benefits is that pp has strong connections in black community, and can bring that community in to omni, the community that we have failed to do appropriate outreach and programming for. want to see a future where a lot more black people come into sudo room / omni. in the future if we have the potential for black members but still a white dominated group, then we deserve questioning at that point		* anwar - other half of my thought - the way that jemma brought up about redlining omni, addresses white dominated group. one of big benefits is that pp has strong connections in black community, and can bring that community in to omni, the community that we have failed to do appropriate outreach and programming for. want to see a future where a lot more black people come into sudo room / omni. in the future if we have the potential for black members but still a white dominated group, then we deserve questioning at that point
	* peter - want to respond about sudo rooms core, that this was somehow threatening. if that level of ~~ostraciszination~~ setting, a lot changing right now. one thing we have to be willing to do right now is be dynamic. this building is a ~~organizstm~~ living that houses these things. sudo room ~~in dynanmising~~ instead of insisting sudo room stays as is		* peter - want to respond about sudo rooms core, that this proposal was somehow threatening that. if that level of ostracization is setting - a lot is changing right now. one thing we have to be willing to do right now is be dynamic. this building is a living organism that houses these things. sudo room should be dynamising instead of insisting sudo room stays as is
	* yar - i had no idea how popular axis of resistance is . iran support of proxy wars. im still against iran but ive been surprised by ways things are turning out.		* yar - i had no idea how popular axis of resistance is now... and iran support of proxy wars. im still against iran but ive been surprised by ways things are turning out.
	* sequoia - want to speak to what jake is saying. sudo room very important to me. reason i moved to neighborhood i did when i moved to oakland. very important it exists into the future. i believe proposal im advocating for would serve that. in favor of legal language to cover asses. said that PP dont appreciate sudo room. how can we share what we offer with PP? we can teach people that people programs bring in repair classes. the fact that they dont appreciate us doesnt		* sequoia - want to speak to what jake is saying. sudo room very important to me. reason i moved to neighborhood i did when i moved to oakland. very important it exists into the future. i believe proposal im advocating for would serve that. in favor of legal language to cover asses. said that PP dont appreciate sudo room. how can we share what we offer with PP? we can teach people that people programs bring in repair classes. the fact that they dont appreciate us doesnt...
	* paige - CLP had that ~~accusations~~. PP was ~~very~~ supportive of Sudo Room mission		* paige - CLP, not PP, had that accusation of sudo room being hobbyists. PP was supportive of Sudo Room mission/ hackers etc. from beginning
	* eric - when i did speak with some of them, struck up conversation, found we had grown up with people in common. peoples breakfast program etc. but then when it came time to talk about the omni and sudo, i spoke in depth with two. they had no understanding what sudo room was. long standing thing with online presence. they were making this argument that they should take over community but havent done research to the building		* eric - when i did speak with some of them, struck up conversation, found we had grown up with people in common. peoples breakfast program etc. but then when it came time to talk about the omni and sudo, i spoke in depth with two. they had no understanding what sudo room was. long standing thing with online presence. they were making this argument that they should take over community but havent done research to the building
	* anwar - i think thats more on us than them we've not successful at outreach		* anwar - i think thats more on us than them we've not successful at outreach
	* eric - but we have robust wiki and website and open house		* eric - but we have robust wiki and website and open house
	* anwar - i didn't say we haven't tried		* anwar - i didn't say we haven't tried
	* jemma - very happy, time check. i do want to raise that it is important to protect sudo room. i am the delegate for sudo room, want to make a decision to keep sudo room around. appreciate conversations to protect our asses. not the most fun thing to do on a wednesday. want to highlight : make sure sudo room is not an easier to move 2. cost equity of building to be explored, and governance. 3. try to figure out how no party can sell unilaterally 4. even tho ownership broken down, ~~governatnce~~ not necesarily have to ~~say~~. 5. addressing retweet of boycott. 6. we must protect sudo room, why am i rep if im not trying to protect it. i understand complicated question given equity, not easy conversation 7. accepting change is also important. probably going to be a lot of discomfort for a lot of us. i know my change can be surprising. i was only delegate that said no last week, did a lot of reflection, talked to my support structure, appreciate being a part of this		* jemma - very happy, time check. i do want to raise that it is important to protect sudo room. i am the delegate for sudo room, want to make a decision to keep sudo room around. appreciate conversations to protect our asses. not the most fun thing to do on a wednesday. want to highlight : 1. make sure sudo room is not any easier or harder to move or remove 2. cost equity of building to be explored, and governance. 3. try to figure out how no party can sell unilaterally 4. even tho ownership broken down, governance not necesarily have to be broken down in same percentage. 5. addressing retweet of boycott. 6. we must protect sudo room, why am i rep if im not trying to protect it. i understand complicated question given equity, not easy conversation 7. accepting change is also important. probably going to be a lot of discomfort for a lot of us. i know my change can be surprising. i was the only delegate that said no last week, did a lot of reflection, talked to my support structure, appreciate being a part of this
	* patrik - is there a delegates meeting tomorrow?		* patrik - is there a delegates meeting tomorrow?
	* jemma - thats my understanding		* jemma - thats my understanding
	* jake - i request that delegates spend time just talking to other delegates. and preparing for any ___ that delegates plan to present. Also to the CLP questions - are they going to welcome and bring in CLP, or rafiq, whoever that is.		* jake - i request that delegates spend time just talking to other delegates. and preparing for any ___ that delegates plan to present. Also to the CLP questions - are they going to welcome and bring in CLP, or rafiq, whoever that is.
	* anwar - i ~~_______________~~		* anwar - im pretty sure they were clear that they would offer us to have remediation with CLP, which we could probably just say no too
			* yar - yeah i think thats a pretty fine line in the sand to draw that we want nothing to do with CLP
	* carl - i think the delegates meetings should just be for delegates and omni. the group making the proposal should be a separate meeting.		* carl - i think the delegates meetings should just be for delegates and omni. the group making the proposal should be a separate meeting.
	* anwar - i dont think we have time for separate meetings. but i think its fine to have split time for just delegates		* anwar - i dont think we have time for separate meetings. but i think its fine to have split time for just delegates
	* carl - they are an external group, we should be deliberating amongst ourselves		* carl - they are an external group, we should be deliberating amongst ourselves
	* jemma - there was supposed to be time for that, but i think that is something everyone pushing for		* jemma - there was supposed to be time for that, but the meeting went long, but i think that is something everyone pushing for
	* jake - im including omni here, i think only delegates should go		* jake - im including omni here, i think only delegates should go
	* jemma - honestly that sounds good to me. a few times we didnt have quorum. just me natalie and patrik. how do you feel patrik		* jemma - honestly that sounds good to me. a few times we didnt have quorum. just me natalie and patrik (and josh? i think there was a 4th person named...maybe not tho). how do you feel patrik
	* patrik - normal time is 7pm. yea i agree we should have meetings without pp. shoehorned into PP being only option by them being inviting to our meetings over and over again		* patrik - normal time is 7pm. yea i agree we should have meetings without pp. shoehorned into PP being only option by them being inviting to our meetings over and over again
	* jemma - for tomorrow do you have a preference between only delegates, then people shoiwing up		* jemma - for tomorrow do you have a preference between only delegates, then people shoiwing up
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	* anwar - are we in sudo room forward for going with non100% ownership proposal with PP.		* anwar - are we in sudo room forward for going with non100% ownership proposal with PP.
	* sequoia - even if we did pursue community land trust, i still think, if we solved all our financial problems tomorrow, would still want to see pp in the building		* sequoia - even if we did pursue community land trust, i still think, if we solved all our financial problems tomorrow, would still want to see pp in the building
	* yar - im not against LLC idea either, because if that happens, it buys us time to have a conversation, and not make people feel ~~averse~~. i am doubtful it will actually materialize.		* yar - im not against LLC idea either, because if that happens, it buys us time to have a conversation, and not make people feel coerced. i am doubtful it will actually materialize.
	* jake - i want to respond because as someone who was really pushing LLC, because at time there was a lot of hesitance to give building to PP, and we have been chipping ~~awau~~ at concerns, but realized it didnt solve our problems, because if LLC materializes, we still have an embargo against our events. CLP embargo says unless we do something drastic, like give buildign to pp, i cant really in good faith tell loan people that we can move forward because events ~~eviserated~~		* jake - i want to respond because as someone who was really pushing LLC, because at time there was a lot of hesitance to give building to PP, and we have been chipping away at concerns, but realized it didnt solve our problems, because if LLC materializes, we still have an embargo against our events. CLP embargo says unless we do something drastic, like give buildign to pp, i cant really in good faith tell loan people that we can move forward because events eviscerated
	* patrik - i think omni can pay off loan even if just relying on rent. dont need event space		* patrik - i think omni can pay off loan even if just relying on rent. dont need event space
	in chat		in chat
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	* jake - very impressive facilitation work and note taking.		* jake - very impressive facilitation work and note taking.
	* yar - can you put that jemma is awesome in the notes		* yar - can you put that jemma is awesome in the notes
	** Patrik: And Paige for note taking!		* Patrik: And Paige for note taking!
	* sequoia - thanks for all work you are doing, totally normal to have disagreements. great working with all of you.		* sequoia - thanks for all work you are doing, totally normal to have disagreements. great working with all of you.

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